Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Hotshot hasn't disclosed his win condition. ..

[mtamburini]

Untilmy posts aren't going through at work for some reason. Long story short I'm unsure of hot shot he ated me pretty hard.

[Army of GOD]

the no votes are weird especially this close to the deadline

[StorrZerg]

unvote
vote wing

fk you tambo.

In agreement with strike regarding wincon.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Alright alright, as I am going out later so will likely miss the final vote. Plus I quite like the fact I can post completely freely as you all know everything about my role already anyway. I hope that I can survive today such that I can contribute with role investigations. I'm under no illusions though, I wont survive till the end of the game as too many people have thrown their hats in the ring against me.

Better prepare my, when I flip town post:

Votes on me at point of post:

Army of GOD, virus90, Hotshot, Strikewolf & Storr

AoG - Voted me after the bandwagon started because I voted the 95% town doc. Fails to acknowledge the possibility of a non-town doc, or in fact that we might not have a doc, or a doc who doesnt want to reveal themselves. Its a very odd vote, and hasnt really come with any added evidence. He has mainly kept out of the limelight, but popped up to push the wagon. I see this as slightly scummy.

Virus - Voting because I defended NoS win condition. Its an odd argument, but to me it just seems like Virus is a confused Townie. He has acted in isolation all game. I'd expect him to step up a bit more in D2 when there is more information on the board.

Hotshot - Voting to preserve his own skin. To be honest there is nothing wrong in that. It doesnt seem out of the question that mafia have manipulated us to the point where we are arguing about who to lynch out of two townies.

Strikewolf - Voting to provide information once I flip town. Its a valid argument. Nothing Strike has done all game leads me to think he is scum.

Storr - No idea why he has just voted me, think its similar to Strike. The issue here would be if both Hotshot and I flip town then Storr has had a big role in getting the Hotshot wagon going and is now on me. Could easily be a mafia manipulator in this case. I have read him as Town all game though.

Previous Voters who have jumped ship:

Streaker, NoSurvivors Rishaed,Tails

Rishaed - Has been the first person to vote for three people. Mtam, NoS and myself. In all cases he has jumped ship before the vote has looked to threaten the player. Apparently has a post restriction, but has posted a fair few times in plain english. This is exceedingly odd behaviour.

NoSurvivors - Has looked more and more like town in recent pages. Nothing to say here really as it seems unlikely to me that NoS will last that long in this game. It is too useful to see which way he flips.

Streaker - Has picked up every little thing I have said and twisted it. When I flip town he is should be put under massive pressure. I really dont like the way he is playing. Most notably, when I put together the list of votes and removed votes, he was very against the fact I pointed out that he was one of the players switching votes a lot.

Tails - Voted me for the no lynch "suggestion" early in the game. During this point he argued strongly for a quick random lynch because otherwise people lose interest in the game. He then went AWOL... A quick random lynch would always favour the mafia, being absent is a known scum tactic.

Others:

Mtam, Mets, DD515, IB

Mtam - By association with Storr I have him as Town, and he hasnt done anything to dissuade me from this opinion.

Mets - Town. Did vote me when I "suggested" no lynch. I think that was a town move and since then he has made very good points about the other players in the game.

DD515 - Not much to go on. I would have thought that the game is harder to play if you are town as you dont get mafia to talk to each night, but I could be wrong. We wont know why Teegee found the game tough till the end.

IB - Stayed out of arguments mostly but has been present. As far as I can tell that is just par for the course for IB. Like Virus I'd expect him to step up once more information is known on D2.

[StorrZerg]

Interesting reaction wing

[StorrZerg]

Why do you have me and strike similar, when he choose to vote you instead of hammering hotshot?

Do you suspect you will get enough votes right now?

[HotShot53]

Hotshot hasn't disclosed his win condition. ..

I said I had a generic town win condition, and I will post a summary of it (since quoting is not allowed) if requested to by those who also have the generic town win condition, but none of them have asked. I wasn't going to put the summary out if not asked to, because it could potentially remove knowing it from the equation later if it turns out that all town should have it.

[StorrZerg]

I guess it doesn't matter if you are Lynched. if town you hide it, cool. If mafia you wouldn't know and wouldn't matter. Tbh mafia might know.

Point is, you claim different from nos and wing correct?

[HotShot53]

So wing, out of those reads... who do you think is most likely scum that should be looked at tomorrow? Or your top couple maybe's?

[HotShot53]

I guess it doesn't matter if you are Lynched. if town you hide it, cool. If mafia you wouldn't know and wouldn't matter. Tbh mafia might know.

Point is, you claim different from nos and wing correct?

Yes, my win condition is different from what they have stated. Is yours?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Why do you have me and strike similar, when he choose to vote you instead of hammering hotshot?

Do you suspect you will get enough votes right now?

I respect Strike's reasoning for not hammering Hotshot. If you believe Hotshot to be town there really is little point lynching him, its just a free kill to Mafia as we wont get much information back about it. I'd like to sit here and say otherwise as this puts me back in the frame, but I cant.

I believed that if Strike, Mets and Virus didnt vote me then I would be ok. Since then Strike and Virus have voted for me, and for some reason that you havent explained you have also voted me. I previously thought there was no circumstance in which you, Mtam or IB would vote for me. Clearly I was wrong on that one.

@Hotshot - Streaker is my biggest scum read, followed by Tails, AoG, Nos and Rishaed in no particular order.

On win conditions, so you are saying that you do not have a "win when mafia are eliminated" or a "win when only faction left" win condition?

[StorrZerg]

@hotshot yeah..
@ wing I'm not actually voting you.

Least not yet.

I wanted to see your reaction. . Gotta say I'm sketched out a bit by it
unvote

[HotShot53]

On win conditions, so you are saying that you do not have a "win when mafia are eliminated" or a "win when only faction left" win condition?

Correct

[mtamburini]

I'll probably never lynch wing this game.

[dd515087]

I'm all caught up, skimmed through the last few pages because I got tired and you guys probably want to hear me talk. Blue comments are me catching up since the last time I took down these notes.

Wings - Gets a little defense with not much pressure, but overall just a newbie, probably town.
That was my original thought after the first 14-15 pages, since then I don't like his claim especially after the post that he made where he basically said, "Claims mean nothing, anyone could just say 'I'm a cop'" On the fence, leaning scum, decent lynch target.

Hotshot - He was being defensive for no reason, and when he posts he doesn’t add much, even with 3 votes on him… Keeps giving shitty defense, biggest scum read. Makes a list of all players and says Streaker and IB could be scum, rest were neutral or town...
Since then, he hasn't done much to change my mind. Scummy-role (doesn't mean much as it is random), but I like him as a lynch target.

Tails - Pretty sure he’s town. Has been giving good analysis, asking the right questions, and pressuring people to speak… Kinda disappears...
Disappeared so I don't know if he's just lying low, but I had a strong town read on him before.

Storr - Just being himself. Don’t like the him and mtam circle jerk going on, but whatever. Has misinterpreted things and can’t come to terms with the fact that there is possible a PR in the game. Soft-town.
Just being Storr. Probable town.

mtam - Sheeped storr at the very start. Good call out on HotShot at first, but keeps tunneling and wants everyone to follow him and vote Hotshot without much more discussion.
Storr claims he is town, but I still don't like the tunneling in on HotShot, if HotShot flips town he'd be worth a look D2.

Strike - Took mtams “3rd party confirmation” out of context in the begining. Calls out hotshot for ignoring pressure, makes some good reads on mtam and mets… Makes some posts that don’t add too much and then disappears… Comes back soon after Storr brings up absence, fighting with Storr over Meta shit (which doesn’t add shit).
Has made some good reads since, but I'm still on the fence with him. I should probably look more closely at his most recent posts to get a better read. Leaning scum.

rishaed - I think he can only quote from whatever book (I forget, Wheel of Time or something) and the game. But he can write his own thing (1 sentence maybe?) to explain votes? Or he just enjoys being confusing idk. Neutral read, I don’t know what to think.
Sigh...

AOG - Slightly scummy in the begining, focused too much on the wings votes that (I thought) were joke votes. Believes HotShot is good lynch.
Seems like he's trying to analyze and make reads on people, I don't agree with a lot of it, but it looks like he's trying. Neutral.

Streaker - Really liked his thoughts at the beginning of the game, gave him soft town read. Calls out Storr later on, liked that, but defends Hotshot? Hmm… Makes a decent argument on Mets.
Need a closer look at him... Looks like I haven't updated my notes on him in a while because I have him town read up here, but in my scum list lower down.

NoSurvivors - Sheeps mtam after being absent prior… Doesn’t add anything again except for calling out storr for shipping mtam (which is what he just did)… Now he comes back again and is sheeping Strike/Streaker on the Mets wagon… Scummy as hell… Claims doc, wings makes good point on whether or not to believe him… Interesting WinCon, could everyone have a different one though, probably should have at least one more person claim theirs.
Don't want to lynch him if he really is the doctor, would be a bold claim if he is mafia, but there's no way for him to really prove his role. Not sure how he plays and if he would normally make a bold move like that.

Virus - great analysis, makes good reads, pressures. probably town… still believe he is town
Still believe he is town, nothing he has said has changed that.

IB - don’t have much of a read on him for some reason, went to add that he doesn’t seem to be adding much though… calls out rishaed for not making sense and wonders why no one goes after him… Not really making too many reads. Read NoS and Streaker as scummy (I agree).
I also have him in my scum down lower, but kind of neutral up here. I should probably look closer at his more recent posts, but I think I'm going to go with leaning-scum here.

Mets - lame-ish reason to vote on wing, nbd though… responds well to strike… responds well, makes reads, calls out storr’s post on rishaed… argues stats on D1 lynches, not sure how that helps, but it doesn’t hurt. Should make more reads.
He's been all over the place, sometimes I think he's town other times he could easily be scum. Would like to pressure more tomorrow depending on what happens during the night.

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This is another list I made when I was trying to catch up on my phone and didn't have my notes open.
Scummiest:
HotShot
IB
NoS
Streaker

Also Possible:
strike/aog/mets/rishaed

Storr and mtam seem town, but could be scum together and doing a good job.

Town:
Virus
Tails
Wings

One of Strike or NoS is probably scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@hotshot yeah..
@ wing I'm not actually voting you.

Least not yet.

I wanted to see your reaction. . Gotta say I'm sketched out a bit by it
unvote

How did you want me to react? You, a player I've trusted all game put me at L-3 with enough players who have actively accused me of mafia around. Furthermore when I suggested the idea of a no lynch earlier in the game everyone objected, so its clear than one of Hotshot or I will be lynched today. There are a few more players who although havent accused me of being mafia will quite happily vote me over Hotshot due to the controversial votes on me. So I do believe that I could be lynched today. You also have to look at the two targets, Me and Hotshot. Has anyone come out and accused us of being their strongest scum read? Not many. Its likely than Mafia have maneuvered us to a point where we are arguing about lynching two townies. And under that circumstance my flip reveals more.

If I can offer so much to town by dying should I fight it? No, I'm town, I want town to win. I dont have to be alive to win. Sure I dont want to be lynched, but its not about me.

I could have come out and objected outright to your vote, but then you would have turned around and accused me of being Mafia. You did similar in the last game, there is no way for me to react to which you wouldn't suspect me of being Mafia, which is not good.

fp'd be Mtam and DD515. Cheers Mtam for saying that, it good to know I read you right.

[StorrZerg]

Tbh I like some of your scum reads. Aog, tails, nos.
streaker is in the air for me, but siding with strikes thoughts regarding him being forthcoming regarding wincon.

I think you are just a bit frustrated with rishaed. And that's clouding you reading him.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aye - Rishead has just pissed me off with his play so far. So my read on him is not the most reliable. I like DD515's reads too.

[StorrZerg]

I wish I was scum with tambo. Can't wait until we both role scum together, it's going to be epiccc

[Iron Butterfly]

Why do you have me and strike similar, when he choose to vote you instead of hammering hotshot?

Do you suspect you will get enough votes right now?

So Storr you think Wing has been posting as Town or mafia?

[StorrZerg]

Why do you have me and strike similar, when he choose to vote you instead of hammering hotshot?

Do you suspect you will get enough votes right now?

So Storr you think Wing has been posting as Town or mafia?

town. I see him being extremely honest with what's going on. He looks to really care about getting his reads out.
his stance on mass claim
etc. Just makes a hell of a lot more sense as town in my head than mafia.

His omgus of me was a bit surprising, yet I guess it wasn't that unexpected. I didn't really give a reason.

[StorrZerg]

Wing will generate information. Hotshot will not.

Does anyone know if mafia have fake claims?

Having them would kinda kill hotshot small statement regarding double colors.

[StorrZerg]

vote hotshot

We will not learn anything with no lynch.

The win condition talk while interesting is blurring what is important.

[StorrZerg]

Mod won't say if mafia have fake claims. I'm inclined to think they could.