Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[Streaker]

My few reads if I don't live to morning:

Likely Town: Tamb, Storr, virus and wolf.
Mafia read: wing, AoG, NoS, and a bad vibe around Mets.

Can't make up my mind about HotShot and IB.

Rishaed, tails, teegee I dunno.

[Iron Butterfly]

Who said anything about no lynch, or even switching to vote you? I said I would reconsider it, but obviously you're not getting lynched today. I'm on standby to hammer HotShot, even though that decision might bite me in the ass (I would see Hotshot lynched over a no lynch).

Now again your last reply...

First you say that wing has been playing scummy (that's obviously your own opininon you state), but later you say that wing has been helping town.
So like I said, instead of following your own intuition you decide to sheep IB. Someone you consider scum in a scenario you state.
The fact that they have been going at each other means nothing about allignment ( at least not now).

Let me try and figure out your 2 scenario's:

-You vote Hotshot. If he flips town then you consider both IB and wing scum. But you just switched from wing to Hotshot based on IB's read.
-You vote Hotshot. If he flips mafia then you consider both IB and wing town. But you clearly state that you consider wing scummy (and don't give me IB's read, I'm talking about your own read stated above).

I mean, seriously?

Why are you on stand bye to lynch Hotshot? Why is it so important to be the hammer? If you really believe he is scum why play around like that?

[Streaker]

Because I DO NOT consider Hotshot scum like the rest of you. I've stated this before.
When I said hammer, I mean I am available to switch my vote if the situation doesn't change. I'm not insisting I'm the final vote.

And yes, despite my read on him I'd still vote to get someone lynched.

That is all you have to say about my post?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Did you instead want him to focus on the part where you say you want to lynch Hotshot who you believe to be Town?

[Streaker]

Did you instead want him to focus on the part where you say you want to lynch Hotshot who you believe to be Town?

Please don't misquote me. Where do i say I believe HotShot is town? I obviously stated I'm uncertain of HotShot, but that I am willing to vote for him for the sake of a lynch (and the information paired with it).

You also ignore the more important aspects of my post.

[HotShot53]

As I said before, if the choice was between a NoS or Wing lynch and a no-lynch day, I would go for the lynch, so unvote, vote wing

I am currently 50-50 if he is town or something else, possibly third party. If he flips town, then it's confirmed town can have different win conditions, and NoS could be town doc as claimed. If he flips scum or third party, then it's very possible NoS is scum lying about being doc, and I'd be even more sure about IB being scum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Did you instead want him to focus on the part where you say you want to lynch Hotshot who you believe to be Town?

Please don't misquote me. Where do i say I believe HotShot is town? I obviously stated I'm uncertain of HotShot, but that I am willing to vote for him for the sake of a lynch (and the information paired with it).

You also ignore the more important aspects of my post.

NoS clearly states that he believe that both myself and Hotshot are possibly scum. He then suggests that Hotshot is the better vote because of IB's reasoning. It is also backed up by Mtam, Storr and Mets. Listening to other peoples opinions is a good idea, otherwise how will we ever reach a consensus?

You have gone and taken NoS' post out of context, so I see no reason for you to argue when IB and I do the same to you. Furthermore, you've framed your vote (or current lack thereoff) in such a way as to give yourself a buyout clause. I'm sorry, but no one gets a buyout clause.

[Streaker]

Did you instead want him to focus on the part where you say you want to lynch Hotshot who you believe to be Town?

Please don't misquote me. Where do i say I believe HotShot is town? I obviously stated I'm uncertain of HotShot, but that I am willing to vote for him for the sake of a lynch (and the information paired with it).

You also ignore the more important aspects of my post.

NoS clearly states that he believe that both myself and Hotshot are possibly scum. He then suggests that Hotshot is the better vote because of IB's reasoning. It is also backed up by Mtam, Storr and Mets. Listening to other peoples opinions is a good idea, otherwise how will we ever reach a consensus?

You have gone and taken NoS' post out of context, so I see no reason for you to argue when IB and I do the same to you. Furthermore, you've framed your vote (or current lack thereoff) in such a way as to give yourself a buyout clause. I'm sorry, but no one gets a buyout clause.

Would you like a cookie?

What does NoS statement have anything to do with inconsistencies within YOUR posts? I have listened to their opinions, and have tried to see their pov on HotShot. Listening is not the same as sheeping, which is what you are doing. Choose wich one is better.

Buyout clause? Don't get it. Would infinitely more like to lynch wing then HotShot. However my time for today is running low and HotShot will give us best chance at lynch.

Unvote, vote HotShot.

Still wanna hear people's thoughts on my previous posts though, and not a work-around like wing is doing.

[NoSurvivors]

Let me try and figure out your 2 scenario's:

-You vote Hotshot. If he flips town then you consider both IB and wing scum. But you just switched from wing to Hotshot based on IB's read.
-You vote Hotshot. If he flips mafia then you consider both IB and wing town. But you clearly state that you consider wing scummy (and don't give me IB's read, I'm talking about your own read stated above).

I mean, seriously?

I vote hotshot because I think that they (hotshot and wing) are almost equally scummy. However, I thought that IB's thought made perfect sense. I would rather see a hotshot lynch, due to the fact that he is making a solid effort to help the town, whereas hotshot is only defending against his own case. Am I not allowed to have other players' input affect my ideas?

If hotshot flips town, I will try to make a case against wing and IB (likely 1 town for 2 mafia). If he flips scum, yes, Wing might be mafia, but I think there is less of a chance of it, even though he has been making scummy posts (1 mafia for 0 town, with wing still making posts that help the town to some degree). If we lynch wing and he turns mafia, great! We might have 2 mafias for 0 towns. However we have Hotshot who has not helped town much with his posts (as much as wing has). If we lynch wing and he turns town, we are fucked with 1 mafia for 1 town likely, and no wing to help keep track of things.

Besides, it will look quite scummy if I had a change of heart now. I just want the damn day to be over with. I am starting to get sick of this game fast. And I dont want a friggin no lynch. Good for you standing by to hammer, but if i hadnt changed votes and the rigid others stayed the same, then your 1 vote wouldnt hammer, now would it?

[StorrZerg]

Was that a hammer?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Yup.

[Streaker]

Was that a hammer?

Yes it was.

[StorrZerg]

I have ib unvoted.

[StorrZerg]

Yeah unless Im missing something hotshot is at L-1

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count
NoSurvivors (1) - strike wolf
Streaker (1) - dd515
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (5) - rishaed, Streaker, NoSurvivors, Army of GOD, virus90 L-3
Hotshot (5) - metsfanmax, Iron Butterfly, mtamburini, StorrZerg, Wing L-3
StorrZerg (1) - Tails
Iron Butterfly (1) - Hotshot53

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline in 24 Hours-ish
Note: default is no lynch

Since then DD515 has voted Hotshot. NoS has voted Hotshot and now Streaker. IB has unvoted.

So correct Storr, Hotshot is at L-1

[StorrZerg]

Stands to reason aog would vote hotshot to ensure a lynch based on his post regarding whom he thinks is scum.

How ever, I don't think he will.

[StorrZerg]

So.. people with useless votes.
Strike wolf
tails
hotshot (I think he moved his vote to wing)

Pretty close lynch

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rishaed also unvoted.

Yes Hotshot voted Wing.

I really should stop doing summary posts if I miss half the information.

[strike wolf]

Cluck it. I believe Hotshot's claim and Virus made a good point about the color thing (at least I think it was Virus). Id rather lynch Wing.

unvote vote wing

I believe that puts both Wing and Hotshot at L-1

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

It puts me at L-4

[StorrZerg]

who hasn't voted then. Ooo ib and tails no voted.


Shiittt

[strike wolf]

Well I probably should have checked the votes before I posted but I stick by it. You are the better lynch imo. The majority of your cases are OMGus in nature and two of them I have as town, another as leaning town and frankly, we would learn more from your lynch than a hotshot lynch. Hotshots lynch teaches us nothing about the win condition debate. Yours does.

[Iron Butterfly]

who hasn't voted then. Ooo ib and tails no voted.


Shiittt

I now believe Hotshot is telling the truth.He had no reason to disclose the multi color aspect of his role. NONE. Rishaed confirmed that aspect. I am not lynching someone I believe is telling the truth simply to lynch someone.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Well I probably should have checked the votes before I posted but I stick by it. You are the better lynch imo. The majority of your cases are OMGus in nature and two of them I have as town, another as leaning town and frankly, we would learn more from your lynch than a hotshot lynch. Hotshots lynch teaches us nothing about the win condition debate. Yours does.

The sad thing is that I actually agree with you.

[Metsfanmax]

who hasn't voted then. Ooo ib and tails no voted.


Shiittt

I now believe Hotshot is telling the truth.He had no reason to disclose the multi color aspect of his role. NONE. Rishaed confirmed that aspect. I am not lynching someone I believe is telling the truth simply to lynch someone.

Then what do you propose we do? We don't have much time left.