[OFFICIAL] C9 Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN WINS!!

[Endgame422]

I am unsure here.
IB lied about his hammer motivation,than claims cop.
Seems like we should lynch him under the LAL "rule"
If he flips cop storr is locked down townie for sure
Although i do think storr is town as it is and that the mafia is either IB/WCG or WCG/slander
WCG/slander block voted against MP (first votes)which is a bit suspect to me but could be they were feeling pressured by the time crunch or just wanted someone at L-2 so the town could finish them off.
IB is a liar and is now saying he thinks WCG is town but not that he copchecked him,seems like hes protecting him on the sly.
It takes 4 to lynch still im going to wait to vote.
If i had to vote now though IB would be it,just for lying.
Last person who claimed cop was lying as well.

[StorrZerg]

There is no tomorrow if ib is town...

[StorrZerg]

why is virus town?

Do you think medic should claim?

[Iron Butterfly]

Wow, I thought for sure this would be a long apology post for costing us the game with my stupid crusade against MP. I am happy to see I didn't screw us. In fact, it sounds as if our odds are still pretty damn good.

I am being put on trial in a way that I'm not sure I can defend myself against. Voting MP was a moronic move that I only made because it was requested that I put a vote up. The deadline was approaching and MP was continuing to act like a weirdo. At the same time, I didn't feel like being controlled by a more experienced Mob player in my first game. When I submitted that vote I had no idea that he would be lynched before I logged on again.

I am very convinced IB is telling the truth, but at the same time I'd like to hear from the other players before casting any real judgement on the matter. I think what really matters here is what the doctor has to say, since I can plainly see with my own eyes that he's saved someone.

Slander you are good One person does not make a lynch however. You were the first vote on him and it was a reasonable vote. You are trying so hard to be contrite when there is no reason to be contrite. MP lynched himself and could have cost us the game. You seem to think that by sounding sincere and apologizing that that somehow makes you Town. I would be more inclined to believe you if you had stood up and fought for your reasoning. You had him on your list as hard Town.

I find it interesting that you apologized as well in your opening post for any future Town you may lynch as well, which to me set alarm bells off. This is your first mafia game. Mafia needs to kill Town. To me this reeks as an insurance policy to cover yourself for when it would happen.

A seasoned mafia player would fight tooth and nail with no apologies for why he did what he did. Your inexperience leads me to believe you are not quit sure, hence the playing of the newbie card several times mixed with the apologies.

Man I really hope you keep playing as you will be a dangerous player.

[Iron Butterfly]

I am unsure here.
IB lied about his hammer motivation,than claims cop.
Seems like we should lynch him under the LAL "rule"
If he flips cop storr is locked down townie for sure
Although i do think storr is town as it is and that the mafia is either IB/WCG or WCG/slander
WCG/slander block voted against MP (first votes)which is a bit suspect to me but could be they were feeling pressured by the time crunch or just wanted someone at L-2 so the town could finish them off.
IB is a liar and is now saying he thinks WCG is town but not that he copchecked him,seems like hes protecting him on the sly.
It takes 4 to lynch still im going to wait to vote.
If i had to vote now though IB would be it,just for lying.
Last person who claimed cop was lying as well.

granted I thought about that...but lynch all liars is in regards to role claim. I lied thinking I had mafia nailed.

nothing wrong with giving opinions on who is who.

Are you the doc? Doc may as well claim seeing how they are more or less bulletproof anyways. They are assured to live tonight if they decide to save themselves. Hah It was not till today I realized cop could save themselves.

I can not fault you in your reasoning if you are Town. I also do not believe mafia purposely did not kill.

hah may have to rethink virus.

Storr I would like your reads now.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Correction - Doc is guaranteed to die tonight unless a second cop claims. The doc must protect IB, and in the process will be nightkilled by Mafia.

However, by doing so they will win the game for Town. As IB says, there is no reason not to claim the role now.

[StorrZerg]

O end game of course, he is mafia.

Endgame422

I found his vote to be the scummiest.

As for you, doesn't concern myself to much today, you giving me a free pass is great.
The play on your end could be believed, thing is it could easily be set up as both sides. I find it more likely though you did it from a town perspective.

So then between slander/wing/virus. The whole no one touching virus right now creeps me out, so he might be scum.

I'm not buying slander so much with his overly apologetic approach right now. And wing idk.

With that, i'm interested more in how opinions form on endgame right now.

and obviously ffs someone just claim medic.

[StorrZerg]

Vote Endgame422

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Endgame

I will vote as Storr does. The only thing that is certain is that he is town. And to be honest, I also think End is mafia after that post above.

[StorrZerg]

unvote

Still pressuring him, but just in case can't afford 2 mafia randomly hammering him for the win.

I want your full claim Endgame422

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

OK - I will leave my vote on until you tell me to take it off.

[StorrZerg]

Its just for safety, I'm going to be out much of today, and can't risk something sneakily happening.

Thing is we need all 4 town to vote to get a correct lynch, or 3 town 1 mafia.

Thus, only 2 town need to miss vote to cause game over.


Also i'm interested in hearing peoples thoughts on My alignment, if they believe it to be real etc. ALSO DOC FUCKING CLAIM PLZ

You can self save. Granted if doc saved self last night the game isn't auto. I don't think it matters much since this could very well be our last day, and we 100% need to make sure we don't make any mistakes.

[virus90]

ok wow, a lot happened.
as i said d1 im not the cop, neither am i the doc by the way, im just VT.

thus far no one claimed the doc. which makes me afraid of a far fetched scenario in which IB and storr are mafia and took the gamble of no-one counterclaim, we claim cop and clear the other. on that note might be fishing for the doc aswell. im probably gonna get lynched for even bringing it up. but if there is ever a game in which it would be possible it would be a game with new people.
but i think that if we are afraid of this we can no lynch and get some more confirmation. since no lynch is an option with 6 alive.

as for the more realistic option i think endgame is scum, already had my vote yesterday. i think a claim is needed of him indeed.

in any scenario i would like to stress the importance of being carefull. 4 votes needed, dont put people at L-2 as a quick mafia move would kill them, i have seen it happening before due to my fault once.
also if doc can self save i see no reason in not claiming. except for the far fetched scenario mentioned above. in that case logic would apply as to not claim.

fped by storr

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Well ib what's up.....

Probably both mafia pushed mp with votes

This still bothers me. IB hadnt posted after night at this point

[Endgame422]

There is no tomorrow if ib is town...

What does this mean?
As far as virus being town i have nothing to go on as he didn't vote/hasnt claimed,which is suspicious but is also his MO so im thinking hes innocent, although he could be just keeping quiet and watching.
Slander/IB/WCG are who im definetly concerned about.
Although if we have a self healing doctor than it really doesn't matter.
We have this game in the bag unless we lynch the doc because mafia can't kill him.
If i were the doc i would just self save every night and there's no way that town can lose.
No need for the doc to claim it doesn't matter. Just keep self saving and guessing.
Kinda took the fun out of this game actually because it's been over from the very beginning.
Whats the point when town is heavily stacked to win?
Anyways back to cleaning this up.
Vote IB
Hes not our doc and hes a liar.
If hes cop oh well than storr is 100percent clear and well hit slander then WCG then virus if we have too.
Doc can self save so mafia cant kill anyone but VTs(or cop if he exists) as long as we dont lynch the doc, its just a matter of time. If we hit 1 mafia than its over for scum number 2 as hes outnumbered 4 to 1 and can only murder 3 of us.

[StorrZerg]

If ib flips town cop. Then we are down to 5 people.

Then mafia kill one, going to 4 people at day 3 start.

Game is then over since we can't lynch mafia, cause we will not be able to vote off mafia that day. (needing 3 votes to lynch)

Thus game ends.

If IB flips mafia, then game continues with 1 mafia and 3 town the next day.

We do have an option of sleeping tonight.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

There is no tomorrow if ib is town...

What does this mean?
.
Doc can self save so mafia cant kill anyone but VTs(or cop if he exists) as long as we dont lynch the doc, its just a matter of time. If we hit 1 mafia than its over for scum number 2 as hes outnumbered 4 to 1 and can only murder 3 of us.

If we lynch town tonight, IB or otherwise then going into night it is 2:3. Mafia can then lynch a town, and if the doc self-saved last night then they know who not to waste a kill on. Tomorrow morning it will be 2:2. A town accidentally votes for the other town in confusion and boom hammer game over. Doc can be killed in the lynch.

Game over

[StorrZerg]

As far as virus being town i have nothing to go on as he didn't vote/hasnt claimed,which is suspicious but is also his MO so im thinking hes innocent, although he could be just keeping quiet and watching.

he has now claimed to not be the doc, and is pushing you. You have 3 people pushing you, time to fully claim.

If i were the doc i would just self save every night and there's no way that town can lose.

yeah except for the fact that mafia just win when they are even with town or out number. And they can just kill other people as is.

No need for the doc to claim it doesn't matter. Just keep self saving and guessing.

If you are the doc, you better claim. Cause i'm dead serious about lynching you today.

Kinda took the fun out of this game actually because it's been over from the very beginning.
Whats the point when town is heavily stacked to win?

How is the game stacked for town to win, we lose today if we lynch town......................................... you need to grasp that point. (unless doc gets another save, or there is no doc and mafia are baiting to see if there is a doc) It is extremely realistic that game could end in town loss today.

We can check to be sure, But i'm fairly confident mafia when when even with town. So, 1 mafia vs 1 doc, still means mafia victory. Doc claims today.

[StorrZerg]

With that doc is either not in this game.

Or doc is Endgame422, Slander, WingCmdr Ginkapo.

wing did you save me last night? is that why you are following my lead on endgame?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I am not doc.

I do not see a scenario in which IB and Storr are both mafia. So willing to follow your lead as town because if IB was town he wouldnt fakeclaim that you are also town, hence of the two of you IB is more likely to be mafia.

That said, this only made perfect sense when there is a doc. Now I am just confused. If there is no doc, then IB could easily be making the whole thing up.

If there is indeed no doc, then I would vote Endgame on the basis that he was identified early on as the possible doc, and seems to believe this ridiculous notion about self saving doc. Hence could quite easily have conceived the idea of no nightkill, especially if alongside Slander who would be least likely not to argue it.

[Endgame422]

Oops i missed virus post.
Not that it matters as he claimed VT and stuck with yesterday's accusation of me.
I was thinking virus was likely our doc but he says the doc has to claim and then did not claim.
Hoping scum will claim it so he can call them out perhaps?
Otherwise im lost as to who our doc is.
And to storr last post i guess your correct.i was just thinking process of elimination would get us down to one scum/one invincible doc which makes a town win.
Mafia should know who the doc is as they likely tried to murder him and he self saved.
Are you suggesting a no lynch by "sleeping tonight"?
I am just a VT for my claim.

[StorrZerg]

Either endgame is mafia or he is the doc, he hard claimed thought a doc was in the game super early.

Likely he was shot in the night if he was the doc, so he needs to just confirm it. Mafia KNOW who they targeted, so its not helping anyone to not come out today. Just denies TOWN information.

fp endgame,
still pushes he is vt...

[StorrZerg]

why did you think he was the doc? can you explain why??

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As town the job of a VT is to draw attention to themselves, to focus fire away from possible PRs being night killed. We do not know if there are PR's BUT you suspect if there is a Doc Endgame would be it. You have just told everyone you are not a doc.

My motives here are that Endgame made the possible innocent mistake himself, for which I see no reason to pretend that it did not happen. I prefer to draw attention to a possible doc, than the possible cop that could be amongst us. If Endgame is indeed doc, then he is perfectly capable of defending himself during the night. By the same virtue of him possibly being cop due to his slip up, he also wont be cop as his mistake was in response to my suggestion that there was a 50% chance of cop.

My post from early on in the game

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Oh you were talking to Endgame about Virus doc and not me