Streaker's Second Mafia - Endgame - Employees win!

[StorrZerg]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

[Iron Butterfly]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

You can "get" that information and that's how you kill? You need to be explicit. Why would you threaten to kill someone in the day then without having information?

I would like a vote count.

[charm]

This thread is moving at a snails pace!

[Iron Butterfly]

This thread is moving at a snails pace!

So friggin add something by asking a question or stating an opinion on what someone has posted.

[Streaker]

Vote count

crasp
UCAbears
HotShot53 (0): legionnare
mtamburini (0): Metsfanmax
virus90
StorrZerg (2): crasp, colton24, Charm, dd515087, legionnare
colton24 (3): Storrzerg, Iron Butterfly, HotShot53
Iron Butterfly
dd515087 (3): mtamburini, crasp, Metsfanmax
Metsfanmax
Charm
legionnare (0): HotShot

Currently not voted: UCAbears, virus90, Charm, colton24.

12 alive, 7 to lynch.

Deadline in 24 hours, however a deadline has been requested. Is there a general intrest in deadline extension? I'm willing to give 48 hours (don't expect this on following Days), while I prod some inactives.

[Iron Butterfly]

why is hot shot and myself not on colton?

[Streaker]

why is hot shot and myself not on colton?

NEW MOD RULE: make all votes AND unvotes in RED, BOLD, AND LARGER TYPE.

(Charm, you can still use pink).

[legionnare]

Hmmm so is there any reason why Storr claimed with only 2 votes on him? ;

I'm vig. Your turn dd5.

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

[legionnare]

Especially when Colton has 3 meaning Storr isn't under time stress, as it stands colton will be lynched.

Vote Storr

[HotShot53]

Especially when Colton has 3 meaning Storr isn't under time stress, as it stands colton will be lynched.

Vote Storr

Actually, as it currently stands no-one will be lynched, because 7 votes are needed for a lynch; if no-one has 7 at deadline there is no lynch.

That was a very strange early claim though.... why did you claim storr?

[StorrZerg]

Especially when Colton has 3 meaning Storr isn't under time stress, as it stands colton will be lynched.

Vote Storr

Actually, as it currently stands no-one will be lynched, because 7 votes are needed for a lynch; if no-one has 7 at deadline there is no lynch.

That was a very strange early claim though.... why did you claim storr?

Think back to our last game we played, both of us got mafia that last streaker circus game. How much did i want to claim? What was my opinion of having a vig fake claim as mafia...

I'm town vig. I honestly believe its in the best interest of town to know that is what i am. So it is highly unlikely another vig is in the game (if there is, they are free to counter claim me).
Regarding my opinion on vig, you can ask mtamb, and he should back it up that i prefer to shot as soon as possible, and claim as soon as possible. Im not the kind of vig that likes to hide and sit on the bullet/s. I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

[StorrZerg]

Especially when Colton has 3 meaning Storr isn't under time stress, as it stands colton will be lynched.

Vote Storr

I thought i had 3 votes on me, dd5 had actually voted twice. Either way doesn't matter, i was planning on claiming anyways.

[StorrZerg]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

You can "get" that information and that's how you kill? You need to be explicit. Why would you threaten to kill someone in the day then without having information?

I would like a vote count.

"information" is flavor. and how is that my kill? Because people are not shot or lynched in this game they are "fired" So why can i threaten to kill someone, because im the vig, and vig does what vig does. REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE GAME.

So again "FLAVOR" wise, every single person here has something dirty they don't want the company to know. This includes both management and employees. I have the ability to find this "dirt" and present it to "someone (mod)" and thats how i "fire" someone. IN reality, nothing really happens besides a name submission...

[mtamburini]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

You can "get" that information and that's how you kill? You need to be explicit. Why would you threaten to kill someone in the day then without having information?

I would like a vote count.

"information" is flavor. and how is that my kill? Because people are not shot or lynched in this game they are "fired" So why can i threaten to kill someone, because im the vig, and vig does what vig does. REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE GAME.

So again "FLAVOR" wise, every single person here has something dirty they don't want the company to know. This includes both management and employees. I have the ability to find this "dirt" and present it to "someone (mod)" and thats how i "fire" someone. IN reality, nothing really happens besides a name submission...

Why has your play been significantly different then any other game played thus far? You havent been really been allowing me to read you this game as apposed to other games I asked you to give read on charm and your response lead me to believe your not paying attention. Everyone has a role this game so you claiming does not make you claim more towny then scummy. I can confirm storr likes claiming vigi early in video mafia and shooting early but we only play with a town aligned vigi not a mafia vigi so that point is null and void.

The only thing that is making me read you town is that I think DD and charm are scummy and they both are voting on you.

[StorrZerg]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

You can "get" that information and that's how you kill? You need to be explicit. Why would you threaten to kill someone in the day then without having information?

I would like a vote count.

"information" is flavor. and how is that my kill? Because people are not shot or lynched in this game they are "fired" So why can i threaten to kill someone, because im the vig, and vig does what vig does. REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE GAME.

So again "FLAVOR" wise, every single person here has something dirty they don't want the company to know. This includes both management and employees. I have the ability to find this "dirt" and present it to "someone (mod)" and thats how i "fire" someone. IN reality, nothing really happens besides a name submission...

Why has your play been significantly different then any other game played thus far? You havent been really been allowing me to read you this game as apposed to other games I asked you to give read on charm and your response lead me to believe your not paying attention. Everyone has a role this game so you claiming does not make you claim more towny then scummy. I can confirm storr likes claiming vigi early in video mafia and shooting early but we only play with a town aligned vigi not a mafia vigi so that point is null and void.

The only thing that is making me read you town is that I think DD and charm are scummy and they both are voting on you.

You always say im playing weird or different. I'm really tempted to go through the past few games and just quote you on your initial read on me every game. Secondly charm, i gave my response. You want a read now, because she has said more than 2 posts? I lean town on her. The fact that you prove my point about how i play vig, should confirm to yourself my alignment. Being a "mafia vig" what reason do i have to announce this day 1, in this manner. I'd almost assuredly wait to use it in a situation that could end the game. I would have 0 reason outing, with little perssure on day 1.

So right now, i absolutely don't like how wishy washy you are being over reading me. I really feel you should have a much better grasp of the situation, so much so that you should be defending me. Since right now, it appears you are staying neutral so you can see if others will lynch me, and say "well i guess storr was the vig and that makes sense now, but i couldn't have been sure earlier"

[Metsfanmax]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

[StorrZerg]

Charm town read.

I say we have Streaker PM Colton and DD. IF they do not show up in the next 24 hours, then we vote to fire one of them. An employee or manager not showing up would naturally be fired in real life, unless they are on a leave of absence.

Anyways, by killing one of them off early on, we may be able to learn more about the game roles. Day 1 always seems like a crap shoot.

Also, has anyone decided on the statics of employees vs management?

Finally, I expect Storr and MTam to be fighting by now or would consider them as brothers somehow. Just a thought.

Charms only post of substance, when you called me out mtamb for a read on her. I don't see anything glaring with this either, i don't see it as really townie either, so yeah null read.


The next series of posts, i want to point out are not "spammy" sort of posts. They look serious, and they imo are helping to drive conversation, and show that charm is thinking about the game.

i think what mtamb is trying to get at, is less QQ about what happens day 1 if we lynch a townie, and more pew pew on trying to lynch a scum.

as for your statement making you town or mafia, neither. Imo it isn't relieving as to the current game at hand, and your stance on who you want lynched. Its a general point of view on how you feel about the game/ player statements.

No shit lol, however the discussion on whether or not to lynch in inactives or not is a way of how I like to scumhunt. Voting them off completely I think is bad but you can generally get some sort of feel where people stand on it and why it helps reveal their alignment.

Having said that where's your read on charm nerd, I think she rolled scum this time. Her towniness is very apparent early on and I've not seen that.

Well, first of all I think that it is very interesting that you want everyone to give opinions about me when I'm off playing on roller coasters. 2nd, after reading through the discussion on lynching no-shows, I agree that it makes better sense to let the mod-kill or get a replacement - however, I have not seen a reason to vote no lynch in any game I've played so far on day 1. Where is the fun in a no lynch?

We have someone evolve their thoughts, she comes into agreement with your opinion on inactives. (yes i like that)

Next we have the dreaded list post

Well, I think we are in the middle of this week now and I find it interesting the lack of participation. My scum hunting radar is up! I decided to go back through the list of players and see if I spotted those that may raise an eyebrow. For those of you not participating much, if you don't start participating then I'm going to assume you are wanting to be labeled scummy because management typically let's the worker bees do all the work and then take away our credit.

Here are a few my thoughts thus far...

1. crasp - leaning town based on the way he is posting and challenging thoughts.
2. UCAbears - leaning scum, he has only posted enough to stay off the radar, no substance to his posts, and hasn't posted since Thursday.
3. HotShot53 - no opinion yet
4. mtamburini - leaning scum, just because he is not being his mean ruthless self and it usually seems like he comes up town the nastier he is. On the other hand, he may have changed his tune since people were giving so much crap and taking things personally in previous games. I kinda miss the nasty MTam - added some interesting reading.
5. virus90 - no opinion yet
6. StorrZerg - not sure, but I'm surprised that he didn't catch the mass claim being useless, he usually catches everything.
7. colton24 - get to talking dude!
8. Iron Butterfly - leaning town, but it's only a gut thing I have no reason one way or the other, just based on how he is communicating in his posts.
9. dd515087 - get to talking dude!
10. Metsfanmax - he talked about Day 1 statistics in not finding scum, which would be a good way to scare the employees into a no lynch.
11.Charm - employee
12.legionairre - no opinion yet

Now, I'm off to decorate the lobby with flowers, because happy employees make for healthy employees and will increase the productivity - which will make the company more money and harder for management to fire us.

So why do i like this over other list posts that i've seen before? So she leads of stating she decided to go back and re read. I liked this, and i think the points she makes/ comments she makes on players indicates this isn't a lie. I think this action is townie. In particular i like her comments regarding crasp, ucabears (noticing his lack of activity) IB (both town reading him), mets.

I think if she was mafia trying to make this kind of a post, she would have tried to make more comments on people, and left fewer people as no opinion.
Also i see a mafia charm, more lax in her posts, with more funny comments and less content. Less interested in trying to find scum. She is not someone i plan on shooting.

[HotShot53]

Storr, how does proving you are a vig confirm you as town? There could be a mafia vig around (see the game you referenced with the day 1 lynch... a mafia vig willing to shoot on night 1), or you could just do a mafia kill and claim it was a vig kill. So I don't see how you will verify yourself as town in any way.

As to why a scum storr would claim early.... could be because you figure it's best to "prove" yourself early, so no-one looks at you later, because with your play style sooner or later someone will make a case on you, and the earlier you claim the more people will usually believe your claim.

So... it could be that you are following your usual protocol for being a vig, or it could be that you are a scum... not enough information to decide either way, and your shooting someone tonight won't prove it any more for me.

[StorrZerg]

I like to use the momentum of the claim to prove myself as town, and be able to lead town. Since i find that aspect of a confirmed claim more valuable than my bullet/s.

You might be confirmed as town, but that doesn't mean we need to listen to you on what to do.

And whats the point of this comment? Your absolutely right with that statement, but it also means that i can't be trying to "trick" the town since my motivation is pure. That in it self is very good information to have. Helps everyone else as well, cause they have 1 less person to worry about.

I think if i had a list of people i'd shoot in no particular order. (as well as people id be fine with lynching)
colton lack of activity
dd5
UCAbears lack of activity
Virus lack of activity
mets lack of progression
legion
mtamb disappointment
hotshot

So with that, ill try and narrow down this list. Ill give an updated opinion on hotshot once he responds to my question to him.
(ok cool hotshot posted)

[StorrZerg]

Storr, how does proving you are a vig confirm you as town? There could be a mafia vig around (see the game you referenced with the day 1 lynch... a mafia vig willing to shoot on night 1), or you could just do a mafia kill and claim it was a vig kill. So I don't see how you will verify yourself as town in any way.

As to why a scum storr would claim early.... could be because you figure it's best to "prove" yourself early, so no-one looks at you later, because with your play style sooner or later someone will make a case on you, and the earlier you claim the more people will usually believe your claim.

So... it could be that you are following your usual protocol for being a vig, or it could be that you are a scum... not enough information to decide either way, and your shooting someone tonight won't prove it any more for me.

Pretty sure its against the rules for mafia to kill themselves/ kill team mates on purpose. (I've always played this way at least). SO yes, killing a mafia will prove my alignment. At the very least it takes me off the "lynch list" for a day or two. Difference in those 2 games, virus was forced to claim, I came out willingly and early. I was under no real pressure, and i claimed for a purpose. If i'm mafia, i'd have much better claims to make if i want to "secure myself as a town" or "trade my life for a valuable town role". Vig isn't worth trading for, and no counter claim has happened.

SO we just played a game not to long ago, both of us mafia. Why are you not using information from that game to figure out my alignment this game? SO yes, i want a stance from you. We honestly don't have a lot of time, and it looks to me like you are stalling. minimum stance im looking for is if you want me lynched today, or if you want to wait on my lynch. and why.

[colton24]

So, some things that stand out at me:

First, Storr point blank saying he would kill someone (DD in this case) if they did not claim. Whether or not he is vig (more on that later), shooting someone just because they didn't claim seems like a relatively weak reason to be killing, especially if Storr is the vig, that would mean there would be two dead townies in one night (unless that weak shot actually nailed mafia).

Second, Storr's obsession with finding everyone's roles (if I recall right, he was pushing for a mass claim early in the thread, or at least asking if mass claiming would be allowed). To me that is a bit scummy, because if Storr is mafia, it allows him and his buddies to take out whomever seems to have the most powerful roles.

Third, the IT guy seems a bit off. First, that was an extremely quick claim on only two votes. Second, his reasoning for that is to bring up another game, which seems off to me, because people usually play slightly differently from game to game, and opinions change based on roles. If you're town, you might think mafia claiming vig is stupid, but for mafia it would explain why you are able to kill, and probably wouldn't be CC'd. Third, it stands to reason that the "IT guy" could be mafia (read: Director of IT, or something similar) who either: A. Frames the employees with computer access, or B. Is a mafia cop.

Also, you say you think charm is mafia but wouldn't shoot mafia? Or did I read that wrong?

Ninja'd by a couple posts. Thoughts on those below:

I think if i had a list of people i'd shoot in no particular order. (as well as people id be fine with lynching)
colton lack of activity
dd5
UCAbears lack of activity
Virus lack of activity
mets lack of progression
legion
mtamb disappointment
hotshot

Well, that's a laundry list. I'd like to know what "lack of progression" and "disappointment" mean. Because those don't make a remote amount of sense to me, unless they translate to mean "disagreeing with me."

FOS Zerg - Not going to vote, yet.

Ninja'd again: Bringing up past games doesn't validate your argument. In fact, at least to me, it weakens your argument, because this is not your last game, you have a different role, and (possibly) a different alignment.

A few unrelated reads:

1. IB - Town
2. Charm - Leaning Town
3. mtam - Leaning town

All others are pretty much neutral in my book, can't read one way or the other.

[Metsfanmax]

And whats the point of this comment? Your absolutely right with that statement, but it also means that i can't be trying to "trick" the town since my motivation is pure. That in it self is very good information to have. Helps everyone else as well, cause they have 1 less person to worry about.

We also have one less person, because you killed someone to prove your worth. Wonderful. And that's before we even get to whether you're actually town or not, if you have a mafia killing ability then the person in question showing up dead proves just about zero.

I think if i had a list of people i'd shoot in no particular order. (as well as people id be fine with lynching)
colton lack of activity
dd5
UCAbears lack of activity
Virus lack of activity
mets lack of progression
legion
mtamb disappointment
hotshot

Let's translate this into a list of people you wouldn't shoot:

crasp
Iron Butterfly
Charm

So basically you would kill almost everyone in the game. Well done.

[StorrZerg]

feel free to help narrow the list

So far you want mtamb lynched over "communication" / different or in this came same conclusion + fighting.

Save for that comment/ rage vote, you have not made any progression on this game. You haven't followed up on mtamb.
Some of the things you have talked about are fine, but they are not alignment indicative since its policy talk.

[StorrZerg]

@colton24

Why do you town read those people that way? (care to comment on other town reads/ mafia reads other people made on the people you town read?)


as for your points. 1 would you rather i shot blindly at someone you know nothing about, or would you rather there was accountability to whom i shot. And if i happen to shoot you, wouldn't you rather have the option to defend yourself.

second point. Helps me narrow down who is a good shot yes, but what you don't know is last game streaker hosted was an all role game, and literally would have been won instantly with mass claim for town. So, yes i do think it was worth discussion, it generated something to talk about, and i think its given me a lead on a mafia.

3rd point is a bunch of hoo haa. I have accountability because i claimed, and can and will prove it. So all the doubt you throw around is pretty meaningless about the flavor relating to my claim.

So ill define "progression and disappointment" for you. mets hasn't progressed his play besides policy talk. And has not followed up with his case that mtamb is mafia.
Disappointment on mtamb, can be figured out by reading my response to mtamb.

[mtamburini]

so flavor. Im the IT guy, basically i know everyone's dirty little secrets. cause yall be terrible with computers. (well not yet, but i can get that information, and thats how i can kill someone/fire them)

You can "get" that information and that's how you kill? You need to be explicit. Why would you threaten to kill someone in the day then without having information?

I would like a vote count.

"information" is flavor. and how is that my kill? Because people are not shot or lynched in this game they are "fired" So why can i threaten to kill someone, because im the vig, and vig does what vig does. REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE GAME.

So again "FLAVOR" wise, every single person here has something dirty they don't want the company to know. This includes both management and employees. I have the ability to find this "dirt" and present it to "someone (mod)" and thats how i "fire" someone. IN reality, nothing really happens besides a name submission...

Why has your play been significantly different then any other game played thus far? You havent been really been allowing me to read you this game as apposed to other games I asked you to give read on charm and your response lead me to believe your not paying attention. Everyone has a role this game so you claiming does not make you claim more towny then scummy. I can confirm storr likes claiming vigi early in video mafia and shooting early but we only play with a town aligned vigi not a mafia vigi so that point is null and void.

The only thing that is making me read you town is that I think DD and charm are scummy and they both are voting on you.

You always say im playing weird or different. I'm really tempted to go through the past few games and just quote you on your initial read on me every game. Secondly charm, i gave my response. You want a read now, because she has said more than 2 posts? I lean town on her. The fact that you prove my point about how i play vig, should confirm to yourself my alignment. Being a "mafia vig" what reason do i have to announce this day 1, in this manner. I'd almost assuredly wait to use it in a situation that could end the game. I would have 0 reason outing, with little perssure on day 1.

So right now, i absolutely don't like how wishy washy you are being over reading me. I really feel you should have a much better grasp of the situation, so much so that you should be defending me. Since right now, it appears you are staying neutral so you can see if others will lynch me, and say "well i guess storr was the vig and that makes sense now, but i couldn't have been sure earlier"

You know that I know I will lynch you day1 if I think your scum (or at least try to) based on the previous game and I think your changing your play for the worse to not allow me to read you, if this is your attempt to level your play you disgust me