Holy crap.... 12 dead (so far?) including 2 very well known french cartoonists from the hardcore cartoon digest "charlie hebdo". This is a bit like our Mad magazine, but much more political.
The digest's offices had already been burned by islamists a few years ago when there were the prophet muhamad's caricature published by that journal (done by some Danish cartoonist if you guys remember, that was a huge deal back then)
Anyway... Cabu has been murdered, he was the guy doing the front page cartoon for "Le Monde" since 30 or 40 years....
Some people in this world have real mental problems. Why don't they just go/stay in daesh and live their peaceful radical islamist life without caring of others?
thegreekdog wrote:I saw the news this morning and this is all over. Did the office have security given the previous attack?
i'm still listening to the news... they said that the journal had a special security... but I don't really know all that happened yet.
The terrorist are still on the run, from what we see in the news you see some "french CSI" guys investigating the third car the terrorists were in (they were car jumping to escape like in GTA)... I don't know how close the police is from catching them...
Aparently when they got it the journal office they tried to target all the most famous cartoonists... The guys told in a perfect french accent that they are Al Qaeda
And just learnt that Wolinski was murdered too.... They basically killed ALL the most famous political cartoonists in France. These guys are really cartoonists that have been drawing in all journals and magazines since the 70s. A real disgrace.
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
betiko it turns out that the attackers were fighting in Syria against Bashar al-Assad... I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by France. You guys are reliving the same errors that Americans did with Osama.
P.S. You still think that Bashar al-Assad regime is worse compared to the one that might follow after him(if we presume it is replaced sometimes)?
usually i blame the french for terrorist attacks, and since 9/11, they have been responsible for all of them. In this case, it's also the french, who are now genetically muslim.If you would have let the nazis take over, you wouldn't have this problem today.
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
betiko it turns out that the attackers were fighting in Syria against Bashar al-Assad... I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by France. You guys are reliving the same errors that Americans did with Osama.
P.S. You still think that Bashar al-Assad regime is worse compared to the one that might follow after him(if we presume it is replaced sometimes)?
Where have you read that? They aren t saying much here about them here, other than which cities they are from... I think the police has asked the press to be discrete for now.
And you are right, it s been proven in libya and egypt that those comming next are not necesairly better. It doesn t mean that nothing should be done when bashar is mass murdering his own people "cause we aren t sure the replacement will be better"
DoomYoshi wrote:usually i blame the french for terrorist attacks, and since 9/11, they have been responsible for all of them. In this case, it's also the french, who are now genetically muslim.If you would have let the nazis take over, you wouldn't have this problem today.
Not sure you can expect me to apreciate this kind of humour the very same day we ve had our biggest terrorist attack since 1961. Not to mention that the people who died are most of the most famous french cartoonists since the 60s. Peaceful old men with teenager minds just messing a bit with everthing in our society through cartoons.
Political cartoonists are modern day bouffons that just laugh about anything and are the reflect of the freedom of speach. Killing them was a big mistake, they will become even more legends and more people are just going to do more cartoons to make a point.
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
The NF victory in the last MEP elections were never supposed to happen in our lifetime either.
If something 10x worse than Charlie Hebdo happens in 2017, Le Pen makes it to the second ballot to challenge a sitting president who is polling at 12%. And since Le Pen is committed to pulling France out of the Middle East, ISIS has every incentive to make sure something happens in metropolitan France in 2017.
GoranZ wrote:
betiko wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
betiko it turns out that the attackers were fighting in Syria against Bashar al-Assad... I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by France. You guys are reliving the same errors that Americans did with Osama.
P.S. You still think that Bashar al-Assad regime is worse compared to the one that might follow after him(if we presume it is replaced sometimes)?
Not only will they not cut funding to the Syrian "rebels," they will probably increase funding ... they'll say the attack proves they need to ensure the "moderates" are better equipped. And people will solemnly nod and say that sounds like it makes sense.
The French government cares about protecting the French people as much as they care about protecting the Syrian people. They have other priorities. An atom bomb could go off in Lyon and they wouldn't stop funding the "rebels."
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
betiko it turns out that the attackers were fighting in Syria against Bashar al-Assad... I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by France. You guys are reliving the same errors that Americans did with Osama.
P.S. You still think that Bashar al-Assad regime is worse compared to the one that might follow after him(if we presume it is replaced sometimes)?
Where have you read that? They aren t saying much here about them here, other than which cities they are from... I think the police has asked the press to be discrete for now.
Said Kouachi (34), Cherif Kouachi (32), both from Paris and Hamyd Mourad (18) from Reims. Kouachi brothers returned from Syria this summer.
Allegedly some of the attackers drop his ID card during the attack... smells like setup
betiko wrote:And you are right, it s been proven in libya and egypt that those comming next are not necesairly better. It doesn t mean that nothing should be done when bashar is mass murdering his own people "cause we aren t sure the replacement will be better"
Carry on then, let them attack your country, let them kill who ever they want. Its your choice after all.
betiko wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:usually i blame the french for terrorist attacks, and since 9/11, they have been responsible for all of them. In this case, it's also the french, who are now genetically muslim.If you would have let the nazis take over, you wouldn't have this problem today.
Not sure you can expect me to apreciate this kind of humour the very same day we ve had our biggest terrorist attack since 1961. Not to mention that the people who died are most of the most famous french cartoonists since the 60s. Peaceful old men with teenager minds just messing a bit with everthing in our society through cartoons.
Political cartoonists are modern day bouffons that just laugh about anything and are the reflect of the freedom of speach. Killing them was a big mistake, they will become even more legends and more people are just going to do more cartoons to make a point.
DoomYoshi take your pills you are talking nonsense.
saxitoxin wrote:If something 10x worse than Charlie Hebdo happens in 2017, Le Pen makes it to the second ballot to challenge a sitting president who is polling at 12%. And since Le Pen is committed to pulling France out of the Middle East, ISIS has every incentive to make sure something happens in metropolitan France in 2017.
Time for my favorite quote from Saif; in an open statement to NATO, after the fall of Tripoli in 2011 ...
"You people have no idea what you have just unleashed. In two or three years you will learn, but on that day don't say that Saif al-Islam did not warn you."
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:So it looks like Le Pen will be the next president then.
All the highest instances of the french muslim cult have obviously condemned those terrorist acts. the majority of the people aren't dumb enough to put the blame on all muslims or arabic immigrants. The only time the Front national (Le Pen's party) made it to the second ballot of a presidential election, there had been a huge reaction from the french who voted chirac (85% like a banana republic dictator score) in spite of hating him. Sorry but that won't happen in our lifetime saxi.
betiko it turns out that the attackers were fighting in Syria against Bashar al-Assad... I wouldn't be surprised if they were funded by France. You guys are reliving the same errors that Americans did with Osama.
P.S. You still think that Bashar al-Assad regime is worse compared to the one that might follow after him(if we presume it is replaced sometimes)?
Where have you read that? They aren t saying much here about them here, other than which cities they are from... I think the police has asked the press to be discrete for now.
And you are right, it s been proven in libya and egypt that those comming next are not necesairly better. It doesn t mean that nothing should be done when bashar is mass murdering his own people "cause we aren t sure the replacement will be better"
Of course, saying that is cheap moral talk. You're not the one dealing with the consequences of mistakes made by your government, so it alwayyss seems better to "do something" rather than do nothing.
Not like these low life pieces of shit will make us change anything in our lifestyle. The dog barks, the caravan moves along.
And sorry to contradict your poorly informed scenarios saxi... But what are the chances to see Hollande representing the socialists in 2017? No one in his party wants him again, many people in his past governments that were socialist have strongly criticized his politics. Hollande has beaten the world record of the most unpopular french president ever. Valls, the socialist prime minister is way more popular and has much more chances than Hollande.
On the right wing, Sarkozy is rebuilding his force and will try to take many votes from the FN. In the center right you have the ex prime minister Juppé who can do real good. You just don t understand the hatred in france for the FN. ANY political party would make a coalition against them. Even Sarkozy with the communists.
Basically the FN has a maximum of 30% of voters they can seduce. Those are people jump voting, either old people, blue collars that are uneducated and vote communist, fachist and any nonesense, then you have all those traditional french catholics with a broom in their ass that are so ashamed we now have gay marriage and all these stuff.
Let s not forget that russia is financing the FN and that russian media are starting the brainwash regarding marine Le Pen being the most likely next president. Just not gonna happen. And more terrorist attacks are not going to bring an unprepared neo fascist in power either.
betiko wrote:Not like these low life pieces of shit will make us change anything in our lifestyle. The dog barks, the caravan moves along.
And sorry to contradict your poorly informed scenarios saxi... But what are the chances to see Hollande representing the socialists in 2017? No one in his party wants him again, many people in his past governments that were socialist have strongly criticized his politics. Hollande has beaten the world record of the most unpopular french president ever. Valls, the socialist prime minister is way more popular and has much more chances than Hollande.
On the right wing, Sarkozy is rebuilding his force and will try to take many votes from the FN. In the center right you have the ex prime minister Juppé who can do real good. You just don t understand the hatred in france for the FN. ANY political party would make a coalition against them. Even Sarkozy with the communists.
Basically the FN has a maximum of 30% of voters they can seduce. Those are people jump voting, either old people, blue collars that are uneducated and vote communist, fachist and any nonesense, then you have all those traditional french catholics with a broom in their ass that are so ashamed we now have gay marriage and all these stuff.
Let s not forget that russia is financing the FN and that russian media are starting the brainwash regarding marine Le Pen being the most likely next president. Just not gonna happen. And more terrorist attacks are not going to bring an unprepared neo fascist in power either.
Thirty-percent seems pretty big ... but I'm gonna take your word for it because you sound convincing to me for now.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
So "one suspect surrendered after seeing his name mentioned on social media ..." --- I assume this isn't really the guy then?
After shooting up an office building in an attack with a sophisticated enough getaway that they use two cars, he then calmly goes back to his apartment, has a leisurely lunch, logs onto Tinder to see if he can set-up a date tonight, sees his own name on an alert, "sacrebleu!", and immediately surrenders to a passing gendarme?
I'm guessing the guys who are really responsible are probably in Spain by now and will be on the ferry to Morocco by the time the police clear it up.
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:So "one suspect surrendered after seeing his name mentioned on social media ..." --- I assume this isn't really the guy then?
After shooting up an office building in an attack with a sophisticated enough getaway that they use two cars, he then calmly goes back to his apartment, has a leisurely lunch, logs onto Tinder to see if he can set-up a date tonight, sees his own name on an alert, "sacrebleu!", and immediately surrenders to a passing gendarme?
I'm guessing the guys who are really responsible are probably in Spain by now and will be on the ferry to Morocco by the time the police clear it up.
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I guess that s why we didn t get any name in france yesterday by the media... All that was said was something about an appartment in the 19th in paris where the operation started, and something in the city of Reims and something in the city of Charleville Mezière. Didn t hear anything about 2 brothers or names yet...
wow and they just killed a woman police officer this morning... and another officer got injured. We don't know for now if there is a link, one of the guys got caught but the shooter is still on the run (but identified)
yesterday, the 2 police officers shot were the guy who was in charge of Charb's security (the head of Charlie Hebdo who had a police escort since 2011 and the burning of charlie hebdo's offices) and a random cop patrolling in the street. That cop patrolling in the street was an arab, so they had even more reasons to shoot him because he wasseen as a traitor. This just proves that the french arab community is also targeted, and probably "soft muslims" in general.
So the 2 guys from Reims are the brothers and the guy from Charleville Mézières was the brother in law, but he was attending classes yesterday, there were witnesses so he was definitely not participating in the attack.
7 people from the brother's entourage are under arrest and being interrogated.
