Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[mtamburini]

so mtam is a vig..?

This is what he is worried about lmfao you guys are right this guy is 100x more town than DD what the f*ck was I thinking

[strike wolf]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

[StorrZerg]

Its very doubtful dd5 made up his role pm. why? cause if he did so he would have been more careful about what was in the pm, and the information he told us, why he couldn't talk in the night, who was dead etc.

Now with the continual pressure of dd5. we can expect a claim from his lover yes? Then what?


And the theory that dd5 claimed to relieve pressure off virus/ultra is super tinfoil hat. Since he would have to claim his lover at some point, meaning thats 4 scum on day 1 with claimed roles. and they expect to "win the game" like this? this is the realm of make believe.

I'm going to continue to defend dd5 on all points made on him that are silly and not alignment indicative. (yes silly, i consider 99% of this flavor talk meaningless as to what alignment dd5 is)

[HotShot53]

IF DD is lynched I am using my ability to kill myself this lynch is an absolute travesty.

FPD twice

@hotshot

Who gives a shit about the actual story thats a stretch at the very least that people are going on to get DD lynched. The story for opening scenes and closing scenes will be mroe important than the actual back stories IMO.

Back story that doesn't make sense compared to anyone else's back story = he could be lying = he could be scum.

You are basing your READ on a back story and not his play which is fucking retarded, you are so much better player than this.

If you notice, my vote is still on Ultra, as I can't figure out how DD is scum unless Ultra is also scum. So no, I am not basing my read off of that, but on day 1 (even as long and crazy as this one is), there are a lot worse reasons to lynch than thinking someone is lying about their claim.

You have been very inactive for your normal play until the push on DD started... although the "killing yourself" kind of indicates why you are being so defensive of him lol.

[mtamburini]

IF DD is lynched I am using my ability to kill myself this lynch is an absolute travesty.

FPD twice

@hotshot

Who gives a shit about the actual story thats a stretch at the very least that people are going on to get DD lynched. The story for opening scenes and closing scenes will be mroe important than the actual back stories IMO.

Back story that doesn't make sense compared to anyone else's back story = he could be lying = he could be scum.

You are basing your READ on a back story and not his play which is fucking retarded, you are so much better player than this.

If you notice, my vote is still on Ultra, as I can't figure out how DD is scum unless Ultra is also scum. So no, I am not basing my read off of that, but on day 1 (even as long and crazy as this one is), there are a lot worse reasons to lynch than thinking someone is lying about their claim.

You have been very inactive for your normal play until the push on DD started... although the "killing yourself" kind of indicates why you are being so defensive of him lol.

I know where your vote lies, its still on someone who is town. Move it to AOG and you'll be on the right track.

[dd515087]

News Flash: Earlier today didn't happen.

Uhh... what?

I don't see any basis in that. I have given reads on AoG, pancake, I forget who but I gave whatsausage reads when he asked. Yes my opinions on PCM were very similar to Storr's, does that make them any less valid? Your generalizing all of my play this entire game to one post about one person. Scummy.

Actually, Storr having backed off on me and no one else really taking his perspective does invalidate that to a pretty large extent, and also makes you look even worse.

Storr asked me for my opinion? I can't agree with someone else's views?

Again. I think you're scummy so why should I listen to you?

I CAN'T THINK OF A GOOD ARGUMENT SO I'M JUST GONNA CALL YOU SCUM (btw, that's textbook OMGUS).

His reasoning for me being scum was that I didn't listen to him and voted virus over him. My argument against that is that I don't care what he says because I think he's scum. This may not be a perfect argument, but it's not bad. No worse than anything Ultra said.

I said this about one thing IIRC: Inconsistencies in posts. Which is not wrong. I believe you agreed with me on that?

You've got plenty of inconsistencies, so I'd be careful before you start throwing that around.

Please point them out to me and I will gladly clarify anything you would like

Your scum because your play is scummy and not townie.

I have given many reasons for you being scum.

OMG...

These are just simply my responses to some of Ultra's points. I didn't want to go back and find everything and quote them and post a short novel that everyone would skim through.

[mtamburini]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

[strike wolf]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

Virus says he gets a mod note if Ultra is going to die (lynch or kill apparently) and can choose to take his place. This ability does not extend to anyone else.

[Army of GOD]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

have you been paying attention at all?

[dd515087]

I will sheep... vote DD5.

Several reasons.

A. When you think someone is scummy, that is the best time to listen to him/her. Having a bias based on a hunch is never going to find you scum, unless you have epic hunches (like a cop result, that would be a good time to not listen).
B. I also have a manga name, that makes three of us. I hope this stays within the rules about not discussing flavor.
C. He blindly sheeps Storrs opinion for some reason. I see no reason to assume why he is town. Blind sheeping is scummy, only mafia know who is town... unless Storr is your lover? But from his attitude I doubt that.


I also have a tin foil theory concerning the lovers but I'll share that on D2, I hate posting on my phone... placing tags is so painful.

A. What? I'm not listening to Ultra because I think him and virus are hiding something. Every other lover has a PR besides Ultra? Not going to believe that. Also, Ultra hadn't read through any of my posts from the past day, so this really helps my argument. Why would he not read through my posts if he thought I was scum?
B. The rule is no PM quoting I thought? Correct me if I'm wrong.
@everyone As for the manga nonsense: I don't know I'm not the mod. I told you my name and background as to why I can only talk in my QT at night. If it doesn't match up with the manga story then the mod changed it for game purposes or made a mistake. Does that matter at all? Does every single person's character line up exactly with their character?
C. Why can't I have similar opinions to someone? This line of reasoning is like me saying, "Oh Steve voted for John and then Mike voted for John for the same reasons!! Mike must be scum!!"

[mtamburini]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

have you been paying attention at all?

Virus can supposedly only revive Ultra, I was right one of them was a reviver. So yes I have been paying attention.

[TheForgivenOne]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

have you been paying attention at all?

Virus can supposedly only revive Ultra, I was right one of them was a reviver. So yes I have been paying attention.

What? No. Virus can take the hit for Ultra.

[Army of GOD]

virus isn't a reviver, he's pretty much a bodyguard and only for ultra.

the fact that you didn't know which one could save which and who they could save is kind of weird and somewhat suspicious. Talk about skimming...

[mtamburini]

virus isn't a reviver, he's pretty much a bodyguard and only for ultra.

the fact that you didn't know which one could save which and who they could save is kind of weird and somewhat suspicious. Talk about skimming...

Again thanks for your contribution!

bodyguard/reviver very similar so its w/e

My brain is actually bleeding that this guy is not getting lynched right now.

[Zivel]

I dont have much time but here is what I see:
Lynching Ultra could work.
Lynching Virus is dumb, should lynch Ultra instead.
Lynching DD is dumb, I dont agree that he is anything but town at this moment.
Lynching any of the above is not smart, I think we should stay away from the lovers completely. Bias as I am one but I know I am a town lover with another town and I dont want to risk knocking off two town this early.
So I think we should lynch someone outside of the lovers:
AoG is dodgy and scummy.
Storr could be a go as he has gone from scum hunter to flaky in about 2 rl days.
Anyone else I have missed?
Ones we shouldnt lynch:
Streaker, Strike, Mtam and TFO.

Sorry I have been really busy. I have been reading the thread and keeping up but just have not had time to post.

[StorrZerg]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

what.. unless i missed something, only virus can bring ultra back. ultra can't bring anyone else back..

[mtamburini]

I am using my head here Mtam. I am seeing storr switch tactics and start playing devil's advocate. I am seeing you finally step up in this game and post more than a couple of short posts here and there. I am seeing Hotshot kinda/sorta/maybe get involved. I am seeing AoG play horribly. I am seeing people bring up the Romeo and Juliet manga and I am seeing others show that the manga follows a much different storyline than the one that DD explained. And while I did contemplate the possibility of lynching Storr or AoG today, I ultimately have to agree with Whatsausage that a lover lynch is the only option that really makes sense today.

As far as point 2, I would agree that it is unlikely (and if you look at my last few posts youll note that I changed my initial stance on Ultra/Virus and have been saying they are slightly town in my eyes right now), that said this would be far from the first time I have seen a desperate scum try to pull off the "lynch me" card to try and get town to doubt their lynch choice. So no, I am not willing to dismiss it entirely.

Heres the thing, lets combine logic then. We shall lynch AOG if he flips town then ultra can revive him to prove themselves. Although this says nothing about virus we know that ultra will be telling the truth.

(May have got the names wrong but one of them claimed to be a reviver right?

what.. unless i missed something, only virus can bring ultra back. ultra can't bring anyone else back..

Something like that

[dd515087]

Banned from the town? Wouldn't that imply that you're not town?

By my count, dd has 4 votes, which is the highest followed by AoG's 3. It's probably time for a full claim from dd.

Mod, what happens if there's a tie in votes when the deadline arrives? And we have 1 day left for D1, so we might need an extension to discuss dd's case.

Well it doesn't. I didn't make my own role so I can't really say anything about this.
If everyone wants a full claim I'll give it. Assuming this means only my other PR and not my lover, I don't really want to out a townie that gives the mafia another target that could potentially be a 2 for 1. If my lover wants to out themselves to defend me I'd rather leave that up to him.
However, it is not a good idea for a townie to want me to out my role. Go back to where I claimed and gave backstory and try and put it together before asking for my claim.

I could think of a few reasons:

1. He is scum and lover is the claim he was stuck with. Not having too much experience under his belt yet, he doesnt feel comfortable trying to fake claim a different role and not saying he is a lover than is as good as saying lynch me if he comes out as a lover later..

This is just dumb. I wouldn't have claimed at all if I was scum. There would be no reason to fake claim or say I'm not a lover. It would've looked bad if I came out as a lover later and not at the time when lover was a big point of conversation.

2. Ultra/Virus are scum and DD tried to double counter claim hoping to save them

Again I don't think this has any merit. Say we didn't lynch either of them today and lynched AOG or anyone else for that matter instead. D2 they would probably be a big topic of conversation. They flip scum and then following this line of reasoning I would have put a target on my own back.

[StorrZerg]

so in some seriousness zivel/strike if you are considering pushing me at this point you better do something now rather than contemplate about it, then surprise butt sex me tomorrow

[rishaed]

If there is a tie I will perform a one vote run off.... That is all, NO Vote changing, at the end.
It also must be between the two tied canidates.
Also depending on who is lynched I might find a replacement?
DY hasn't responded to my PM....

[Army of GOD]

virus isn't a reviver, he's pretty much a bodyguard and only for ultra.

the fact that you didn't know which one could save which and who they could save is kind of weird and somewhat suspicious. Talk about skimming...

Again thanks for your contribution!

bodyguard/reviver very similar so its w/e

My brain is actually bleeding that this guy is not getting lynched right now.

are you seriously this retarded?

[mtamburini]

virus isn't a reviver, he's pretty much a bodyguard and only for ultra.

the fact that you didn't know which one could save which and who they could save is kind of weird and somewhat suspicious. Talk about skimming...

Again thanks for your contribution!

bodyguard/reviver very similar so its w/e

My brain is actually bleeding that this guy is not getting lynched right now.

are you seriously this retarded?

Feels good to not have to defend yourself and nobody call you out on it but me right? You feel good with your one liner remarks that give nothing to the game?

[strike wolf]

so in some seriousness zivel/strike if you are considering pushing me at this point you better do something now rather than contemplate about it, then surprise butt sex me tomorrow

I made a case. You are the one who hasn't responded to anything in it and saying wait for tomorrow. Are you reversing that stance now?

This is just dumb. I wouldn't have claimed at all if I was scum. There would be no reason to fake claim or say I'm not a lover. It would've looked bad if I came out as a lover later and not at the time when lover was a big point of conversation.

So you say it's dumb and then essentially state what I just stated that you would be pressured to reveal the lover claim immediately?

Again I don't think this has any merit. Say we didn't lynch either of them today and lynched AOG or anyone else for that matter instead. D2 they would probably be a big topic of conversation. They flip scum and then following this line of reasoning I would have put a target on my own back.

I am looking at you as someone who could be scum in their second or third game. Now despite what Mtam and Storr like to believe, scum with little experience make mistakes, usually a lot of mistakes. One of the most common mistakes that newbie scum make is rashly trying to defend a scum buddy (usually outing themselves as a consequence) when that scum buddy comes under fire. That is what I would assume happened in scenario 2.

Ultimately this is just part of the case on you. The other parts include:

1. There are inconsistencies in your lover claim compared to the other two claims: The other two can talk during the day but you can't. Yes you gave an explanation but I am not buying it right now. The no confirmation on dying part and the power role part came after at least one of Zivel, Ultra and Virus had claimed something similar. This to me means you are the most likely of the lovers to be lying.

2. Scummy play-Is it as bad as PYP? No. But your response as far as your ideas that seemed to be sheeping storr. It's not that you overall agreed it was that the whole thing seemed paraphrased from what Storr had said and he's not the only one you've sheeped to one extent or another.

3. The flavor of your role is off. This is excusable on it's own but there are a bunch of people talking and not one has contradicted that their roles are based on anime/manga stories while yours appears based on the Shakespearean version of Romeo and Juliet. So yes your role claim doesn't seem to line up and this is a common sign of someone who tried to make a fake claim.

If everyone wants a full claim I'll give it. Assuming this means only my other PR and not my lover, I don't really want to out a townie that gives the mafia another target that could potentially be a 2 for 1. If my lover wants to out themselves to defend me I'd rather leave that up to him.
However, it is not a good idea for a townie to want me to out my role. Go back to where I claimed and gave backstory and try and put it together before asking for my claim.

Just a general tip but that last line isn't going to convince anyone. It's basically one of the last words of any mafia who was trying to avoid having to claim ever on this site. That said, claim your power. Don't out your lover, if they feel it is necessary they can do that themselves and if you have a believable role, I will unvote.

[StorrZerg]

big reason why dd5 shouldn't claim his lover... because if he is scum, and can't talk in the day phase in the mafia qt, then he can't say which person to claim lover with him if its entirely fake.

[dd515087]

This is just dumb. I wouldn't have claimed at all if I was scum. There would be no reason to fake claim or say I'm not a lover. It would've looked bad if I came out as a lover later and not at the time when lover was a big point of conversation.

So you say it's dumb and then essentially state what I just stated that you would be pressured to reveal the lover claim immediately?

Now I'm confused. The push to have all lovers claim came after I revealed the 3rd lover pair. I don't think I would've been pressured to claim lover if it was only the two lover pairs.

Again I don't think this has any merit. Say we didn't lynch either of them today and lynched AOG or anyone else for that matter instead. D2 they would probably be a big topic of conversation. They flip scum and then following this line of reasoning I would have put a target on my own back.

I am looking at you as someone who could be scum in their second or third game. Now despite what Mtam and Storr like to believe, scum with little experience make mistakes, usually a lot of mistakes. One of the most common mistakes that newbie scum make is rashly trying to defend a scum buddy (usually outing themselves as a consequence) when that scum buddy comes under fire. That is what I would assume happened in scenario 2.

Okay yes at the time of the claims that would make sense. I have that Ultra and virus are scum (or some unkown 3rd party) since the lover thing came up though

Ultimately this is just part of the case on you. The other parts include:

1. There are inconsistencies in your lover claim compared to the other two claims: The other two can talk during the day but you can't. Yes you gave an explanation but I am not buying it right now. The no confirmation on dying part and the power role part came after at least one of Zivel, Ultra and Virus had claimed something similar. This to me means you are the most likely of the lovers to be lying.

I asked the mod myself to confirm what they said.

2. Scummy play-Is it as bad as PYP? No. But your response as far as your ideas that seemed to be sheeping storr. It's not that you overall agreed it was that the whole thing seemed paraphrased from what Storr had said and he's not the only one you've sheeped to one extent or another.

Who else have I sheeped? I'm sorry I gave almost the same read as Storr. I do not like the way PCM was making his posts it was just confusing and seemed to be filled with a lot of BS. I just gave Storr my opinions on him, I am not advocating a PCM lynch. I have a slight scum read on him, but I think there are definitely better targets.

3. The flavor of your role is off. This is excusable on it's own but there are a bunch of people talking and not one has contradicted that their roles are based on anime/manga stories while yours appears based on the Shakespearean version of Romeo and Juliet. So yes your role claim doesn't seem to line up and this is a common sign of someone who tried to make a fake claim.

If everyone wants a full claim I'll give it. Assuming this means only my other PR and not my lover, I don't really want to out a townie that gives the mafia another target that could potentially be a 2 for 1. If my lover wants to out themselves to defend me I'd rather leave that up to him.
However, it is not a good idea for a townie to want me to out my role. Go back to where I claimed and gave backstory and try and put it together before asking for my claim.

Just a general tip but that last line isn't going to convince anyone. It's basically one of the last words of any mafia who was trying to avoid having to claim ever on this site. That said, claim your power. Don't out your lover, if they feel it is necessary they can do that themselves and if you have a believable role, I will unvote.

I know it's not going to convince anyone I just wanted it to be done. That said I'm a commuter. For anyone who doesn't know, that means I can leave at night and go somewhere else, any actions taken on me that night will fail. For example: a mafia NK. I was hoping not to reveal so that I would be a possible target tonight. My action is useless now as no one is going to act on me.