Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[mtamburini]

Is this a wind up. I vote we stop what we are doing and start lynching the closet novellists.

pretty bad idea to be wanting to lynch someone for volume of content.

Explain what this means and why its bad.

[StorrZerg]

Is this a wind up. I vote we stop what we are doing and start lynching the closet novellists.

pretty bad idea to be wanting to lynch someone for volume of content.

Explain what this means and why its bad.

if are referring to crasp, he all ready did.

[Zivel]

Jesus Storr and Mtam please make some useful posts...
Storr you have two pretty heavy posts from PCM and Strike that need addressing.
Mtam, I dont know wtf is going on with you this game but please give us something more to go on that what you have given. I sheeped you hoping for some decent play but this is just sad bro.

[UltrasPlot]

I won't bother discussing myself. I've already laid out all you guys need to know.

imo at LEAST one of dd / Zivel is scum bc they keep pushing for a Virus lynch which is essentially killing me instead of confirming a townie - I don't see how this makes any sense. Forces the mafia to waste a nightkill on me.

dd is really high on my scum list right now. He claimed lover third when there was no reason whatsoever to; he pushed the initial lynch on me for nl (without backing mind you); also lynching Virus, someone use a brain here; he's just piggybacking off others without coming up with opinions of his own.

Explain yourself. Without quoting Storr to make your point. Nor anyone else for that matter. Also explain why you claimed Lover.

[StorrZerg]

Jesus Storr and Mtam please make some useful posts...
Storr you have two pretty heavy posts from PCM and Strike that need addressing.
Mtam, I dont know wtf is going on with you this game but please give us something more to go on that what you have given. I sheeped you hoping for some decent play but this is just sad bro.

well im not going to respond to everything, whats important in there that you think i should address?

[StorrZerg]

I won't bother discussing myself. I've already laid out all you guys need to know.

imo at LEAST one of dd / Zivel is scum bc they keep pushing for a Virus lynch which is essentially killing me instead of confirming a townie - I don't see how this makes any sense. Forces the mafia to waste a nightkill on me.

dd is really high on my scum list right now. He claimed lover third when there was no reason whatsoever to; he pushed the initial lynch on me for nl (without backing mind you); also lynching Virus, someone use a brain here; he's just piggybacking off others without coming up with opinions of his own.

Explain yourself. Without quoting Storr to make your point. Nor anyone else for that matter. Also explain why you claimed Lover.

now you have nothing on zivel.... nothing to which he might be scum.. you might be onto something about dd5... care to go on about him anything specific?

[anamainiacks]

I won't bother discussing myself. I've already laid out all you guys need to know.

"All you guys need to know"? Sounds more like all you want us to know. This is ridiculous, if you so desperately want to prove yourself town, why don't you claim fully with your character name etc. Why are you more willing to sacrifice Virus to prove your town alignment than to simply provide a full claim to assure us we shouldn't lynch EITHER of you?

The fact that you're keeping such simple information from us only leads me to believe that you're hiding much more information from us. You and virus just shot up my scum list. Virus' character claim makes hesitate though - she's clearly a protagonist. But for now we don't know how important flavour is in terms of characters and alignment.


Regarding the case on AoG, I'm not entirely convinced by it yet. After reading through all his post, I'd say my read on him is neutral with a slight lean towards scum - but it's slight enough that I'm not going to put down my vote for him at the moment.

[mtamburini]

Is this a wind up. I vote we stop what we are doing and start lynching the closet novellists.

pretty bad idea to be wanting to lynch someone for volume of content.

Explain what this means and why its bad.

if are referring to crasp, he all ready did.

Im not asking crasp im asking YOU.

[mtamburini]

I won't bother discussing myself. I've already laid out all you guys need to know.

"All you guys need to know"? Sounds more like all you want us to know. This is ridiculous, if you so desperately want to prove yourself town, why don't you claim fully with your character name etc. Why are you more willing to sacrifice Virus to prove your town alignment than to simply provide a full claim to assure us we shouldn't lynch EITHER of you?

The fact that you're keeping such simple information from us only leads me to believe that you're hiding much more information from us. You and virus just shot up my scum list. Virus' character claim makes hesitate though - she's clearly a protagonist. But for now we don't know how important flavour is in terms of characters and alignment.


Regarding the case on AoG, I'm not entirely convinced by it yet. After reading through all his post, I'd say my read on him is neutral with a slight lean towards scum - but it's slight enough that I'm not going to put down my vote for him at the moment.

Who are you currently voting on and why Im too lazy to find the Vote Count

[UltrasPlot]

I've already given you everything. o_O
Both abilities, alignment... the one thing I haven't told you up til now is that I'm some random guy from SAO I care not to type out their name.

Lynching me and having Virus save me is a last ditch since you guys are bent on killing one of us.

[UltrasPlot]

I do not claim to have anything on Zivel, as I do not.

However, I do have some rather solid evidence on dd.

• He has been incessantly pushing for me being lynched and upon us claiming, has shifted to virus to off two townies
• Seems not to care about two townies dying
• Is still voting virus after I've clarified many times that if one of us has to be lynched it should be me
• Has contributed nothing of note except empty bandwagon posts
• Has not managed to formulate an opinion of his own, always using Storr or someone else as a mouth, essentially staying safe and being able to say he wasn't leading
• Continues to divert attention every time I mention that Virus is a stupid lynch
• Seems to be unable to see anything from a townie point of view - everything must be a scumtell!
• All the reasons mentioned earlier when I first read you as scum and you responded by reading me as scum
• Apparently I'm scum because I'm now cc'd lover but Zivel is not

As for the Army of GOD situation, me and virus have no connection with him nor do we know why he's the only one trying to support us. (This must be a scumtell too dd!)
Lynch DD

Only quasi-realistic option besides you guys lynching me for the sake of offing one of us.

[UltrasPlot]

Also I wouldn't be too surprised if Zivel and dd are both scum, just zivel is playing better... lol

[pancakemix]

Jesus Storr and Mtam please make some useful posts...
Storr you have two pretty heavy posts from PCM and Strike that need addressing.
Mtam, I dont know wtf is going on with you this game but please give us something more to go on that what you have given. I sheeped you hoping for some decent play but this is just sad bro.

well im not going to respond to everything, whats important in there that you think i should address?

I'm sorry, I must need my eyes checked. Did you just ask someone to summarize a post for you?

I really do agree that there's something to be said for DD, but the shit Storr is pulling is completely inexcusable.

[StorrZerg]

Jesus Storr and Mtam please make some useful posts...
Storr you have two pretty heavy posts from PCM and Strike that need addressing.
Mtam, I dont know wtf is going on with you this game but please give us something more to go on that what you have given. I sheeped you hoping for some decent play but this is just sad bro.

well im not going to respond to everything, whats important in there that you think i should address?

I'm sorry, I must need my eyes checked. Did you just ask someone to summarize a post for you?

I really do agree that there's something to be said for DD, but the shit Storr is pulling is completely inexcusable.

So. I pressured you cause i thought you had been playing scummy. I have my top towns telling me you are leaning town. And i have a sketch dd5 who mimicked my attacks on you.

yeah pretty sure its beneficial at this point to continue down that road, and beneficial for town. (sarcastic comment) So since day is about 48 hours left, i see no point in continuing my pressure of you. so, while i've been quiet, i have been re looking my case against you, and taking into consideration strikes comments. (which btw, make me think he is probably even more town) since he took that much time to go through the posts, and give his thought. specially for his stance on certain attacks i had about you.

[strike wolf]

I'm going to sidetrack for a bit and talk about that idea. Mind you, virus had not come out at this point. Zivel ccs lover, open, shut, we're gonna lynch ultra. Then DD counter-counters. This causes a shitstorm. But what if that was the intent? What if DD was trying to save Ultra's skin by muddying the waters? Ultra and virus could have a link, but it might not be a "lover" link, which wouldn't defy the mod confirmation. That would make sense because by their claim they can't be lovers in the traditional sense. And if they have saving powers, it's probably mutual, so if we lynched virus, then ultra would then take the fall. It's actually a pretty clever move on DD's part if it's the truth. And honestly, it's the only thing that really could explain some of this stuff (DD not being able to use his QT yet, Ultra being vanilla, etc). Even if Ultra is telling the truth, that still leaves DD with the most inconsistencies. I'd like to here thought about this, though.

I mentioned it briefly when it first came up but it didn't seem to take much hold in the game (I think a few people acknowledged it but little more) and then I kind of got side tracked by the fact that on the surface it first appeared like DD's claim lined up with Zivel's more than Virus'. On further examination though, DD's claim could have been faked. his only talk at night is the most significant inconsistency between the lovers besides Ultra supposedly being vanilla and the rest of the information he has that does line up came after it was stated by at least one of the other lover pairs (if not both). At this point, while I tend to agree with What that a lover probably should be on the chopping block today, I am not sure that DD doesn't make a better target than Ultra or Virus at this point.

I won't bother discussing myself. I've already laid out all you guys need to know.

imo at LEAST one of dd / Zivel is scum bc they keep pushing for a Virus lynch which is essentially killing me instead of confirming a townie - I don't see how this makes any sense. Forces the mafia to waste a nightkill on me.

dd is really high on my scum list right now. He claimed lover third when there was no reason whatsoever to; he pushed the initial lynch on me for nl (without backing mind you); also lynching Virus, someone use a brain here; he's just piggybacking off others without coming up with opinions of his own.

Explain yourself. Without quoting Storr to make your point. Nor anyone else for that matter. Also explain why you claimed Lover.

Of course, Ultra doesn't exactly scream town with some of his posts. Certainly even if it was a misunderstanding Ultra you can understand how "I've already laid out all you guys need to know" kind of sounds scummy. Also right now, Zivel is voting AoG.

Jesus, strike. Most of what you said is either stuff I've already said/stuff I agree with, so I'll leave it at that. I'm weirded out by the DD kinda-softclaim as well with the implied Romeo/Juliet thing to make it generic.

Yeah sorry. I didn't really realize how long that post was until I actually posted it. Even reading it in preview mode to check for errors it never really popped out to me.

Is this a wind up. I vote we stop what we are doing and start lynching the closet novellists.

pretty bad idea to be wanting to lynch someone for volume of content.

Right storrr i have booked you in.You are getting a sense of humour fitted end of day 1. Dont worry about the cost, its on me.
Seriously though the volume of posts wasnt really what i was on about. If you check AOK's post he has posted in the quotes. Within the quotes he posted others have also done this. He has then put at the bottom his new ones are in green.thats fine but if somebody now quotes part of that post and adds their own colour nobody knows who has quoted what or even what the original point is.The only way to do it is to go back and find the original post which can be pages back. on a computer this a nuisance and time consuming, on a phone its pratcally impossible.

I can agree about the in posts quoting. It can get out of hand and light colors especially (like the green AoG used) can be more difficult to read. That said, I can see a bit of where storr comes from on this in that this is the second time you seemingly had complained about the length of the posts.

Well I was at work till almost 9 today and I'm exhausted. More I could comment on but do not have the energy and the abridged version of my giant post will have to wait. I don't know, maybe it's the sleep talking but it would be kind of interesting to see what people took from the post and their interpretation of what they felt my accusations were. I kind of feel like it's mostly just been glanced over right now with little comment.

FPed by Storr: Stop dodging the case and actually address some of it. You may not want to talk about the PCM case any more but even if you are being sincere about that, it's a little too late for that now.

[pancakemix]

So. I pressured you cause i thought you had been playing scummy. I have my top towns telling me you are leaning town. And i have a sketch dd5 who mimicked my attacks on you.

yeah pretty sure its beneficial at this point to continue down that road, and beneficial for town. (sarcastic comment) So since day is about 48 hours left, i see no point in continuing my pressure of you. so, while i've been quiet, i have been re looking my case against you, and taking into consideration strikes comments. (which btw, make me think he is probably even more town) since he took that much time to go through the posts, and give his thought. specially for his stance on certain attacks i had about you.

Alright, but you know I shouldn't have to pry this out of you. This would have been satisfactory on its own, no real need to defer to Zivel for whatever reason you though that pertinent.

I'm gonna throw my weight behind the DD lynch, because at this point I think it's more likely to flip scum and more likely to get accomplished. (Still suspicious of Storr though) Those of you looking for my full reasoning on DD, strike just quoted the bulk of it above.

Unvote Vote DD

[StorrZerg]

if scum cannot talk in day phase, then it might line up with why he doesn't really have a qt, or the ability to talk in day phase... ( i assume this is the norm in this hosts games)

(going to laugh really hard if aog is the partner of dd5 lol)

[StorrZerg]

FPed by Storr: Stop dodging the case and actually address some of it. You may not want to talk about the PCM case any more but even if you are being sincere about that, it's a little too late for that now.

its hardly to late. im not being lynched, neither is pcm. plenty of time to discuss this latter.

[dd515087]

dd is really high on my scum list right now. He claimed lover third when there was no reason whatsoever to; he pushed the initial lynch on me for nl (without backing mind you); also lynching Virus, someone use a brain here; he's just piggybacking off others without coming up with opinions of his own.

Explain yourself. Without quoting Storr to make your point. Nor anyone else for that matter. Also explain why you claimed Lover.

When there was no reason to whatsoever? I claimed because it was weird to me that there are three lover pairs. I also said at the same time that we could all end up being town. However, your play has not seemed townie to me. My initial lynching of you was purely because of the no lynch. I don't like that.

I do not claim to have anything on Zivel, as I do not.

However, I do have some rather solid evidence on dd.

• He has been incessantly pushing for me being lynched and upon us claiming, has shifted to virus to off two townies
• Seems not to care about two townies dying
• Is still voting virus after I've clarified many times that if one of us has to be lynched it should be me

So have a lot of people? Your play does not seem townie to me and there are many who agree. IIRC AoG and mtam are the only ones who think you are townie.
As for me seeming to not care about two townies dying: I don't think either of you are townie. I think your either scum or third party.
Also, I am not voting virus. I currently have no vote placed. How are you going to try and make a case against someone without reading all their posts?? Wow thats scummy.
And just because you say you should be lynched does not mean it is better for me or any other townie to lynch you. I would also rather lynch virus because you don't die if you are lynched, virus saves you. I have also said that I think virus could show up as townie if he saves you, tinfoil, but possible. Again with the not reading my posts and making a case against me.

Has contributed nothing of note except empty bandwagon posts

Has not managed to formulate an opinion of his own, always using Storr or someone else as a mouth, essentially staying safe and being able to say he wasn't leading

I don't see any basis in that. I have given reads on AoG, pancake, I forget who but I gave whatsausage reads when he asked. Yes my opinions on PCM were very similar to Storr's, does that make them any less valid? Your generalizing all of my play this entire game to one post about one person. Scummy.

Continues to divert attention every time I mention that Virus is a stupid lynch

Again. I think you're scummy so why should I listen to you?

Seems to be unable to see anything from a townie point of view - everything must be a scumtell!

I said this about one thing IIRC: Inconsistencies in posts. Which is not wrong. I believe you agreed with me on that?

All the reasons mentioned earlier when I first read you as scum and you responded by reading me as scum

This doesn't make sense. I have read you as scum this entire game.

Apparently I'm scum because I'm now cc'd lover but Zivel is not

I never said this. Your scum because your play is scummy and not townie. I have given many reasons for you being scum. Again, do you read my posts at all?

As for the Army of GOD situation, me and virus have no connection with him nor do we know why he's the only one trying to support us. (This must be a scumtell too dd!)
Lynch DD

Only quasi-realistic option besides you guys lynching me for the sake of offing one of us.

None of this makes any sense. You probably just made the worst argument to lynch someone I've ever seen. I might be biased, but it's definitely up there. Your play reeks of scum.

[dd515087]

To clear up the subject of my QT compared to Ultra/Virus's and Zivel/???'s:
I am romeo. Juliet's cousin Tybalt accidentally died. I was banned from the town. I sneak in to see Juliet every once in a while, but only at night so I don't get caught.
As for this "my soft-claiming being suspicious" nonsense:
I did that because I didn't want to give my other PR (besides lover) away. I think I've done a decent job at keeping it hidden in the claim above, but I'm sure that someone can make assumptions based on what I said.

[dd515087]

So. I pressured you cause i thought you had been playing scummy. I have my top towns telling me you are leaning town. And i have a sketch dd5 who mimicked my attacks on you.

So now I'm sketch?

if scum cannot talk in day phase, then it might line up with why he doesn't really have a qt, or the ability to talk in day phase... ( i assume this is the norm in this hosts games)

(going to laugh really hard if aog is the partner of dd5 lol)

Scum cannot talk in day phase? Is this just a random assumption? I don't recall anyone else saying anything about this possibility...
and AoG is not my partner, I'm not Ultra or virus I wouldn't call my own lover scum. Also I'd shoot myself in the foot if AoG was my partner, his play has not been townie

[pancakemix]

So have a lot of people? Your play does not seem townie to me and there are many who agree. IIRC AoG and mtam are the only ones who think you are townie.

He has definitely playing scummy, but that has nothing to do with you being scum.

Also, I am not voting virus. I currently have no vote placed. How are you going to try and make a case against someone without reading all their posts?? Wow thats scummy.

News Flash: Earlier today didn't happen.

I don't see any basis in that. I have given reads on AoG, pancake, I forget who but I gave whatsausage reads when he asked. Yes my opinions on PCM were very similar to Storr's, does that make them any less valid? Your generalizing all of my play this entire game to one post about one person. Scummy.

Actually, Storr having backed off on me and no one else really taking his perspective does invalidate that to a pretty large extent, and also makes you look even worse.

Again. I think you're scummy so why should I listen to you?

I CAN'T THINK OF A GOOD ARGUMENT SO I'M JUST GONNA CALL YOU SCUM (btw, that's textbook OMGUS).

I said this about one thing IIRC: Inconsistencies in posts. Which is not wrong. I believe you agreed with me on that?

You've got plenty of inconsistencies, so I'd be careful before you start throwing that around.

All the reasons mentioned earlier when I first read you as scum and you responded by reading me as scum

This doesn't make sense. I have read you as scum this entire game.

This is actually pretty funny.

Your scum because your play is scummy and not townie.

I have given many reasons for you being scum.

OMG...

To clear up the subject of my QT compared to Ultra/Virus's and Zivel/???'s:
I am romeo. Juliet's cousin Tybalt accidentally died. I was banned from the town. I sneak in to see Juliet every once in a while, but only at night so I don't get caught.

Actually, this makes you look far worse. Because my character is from a manga. And IIRC Virus' full claim correctly, it was a Japanese name. Which would suggest it was also from a manga. So if you were just "Romeo from Romeo and Juliet", I have serious doubts about its legitimacy because that wasn't a manga, last I checked.

Scum cannot talk in day phase? Is this just a random assumption?

It... was a hypothetical...

[StorrZerg]

pcm you got a quote wrong in their, having my name isntead of dd5. (cause i certainly have not been calling ultra scum all game)

[StorrZerg]

Actually, this makes you look far worse. Because my character is from a manga. And IIRC Virus' full claim correctly, it was a Japanese name. Which would suggest it was also from a manga. So if you were just "Romeo from Romeo and Juliet", I have serious doubts about its legitimacy because that wasn't a manga, last I checked.

eah i think the claim is real flavor wise. not going to confirm or deny if my character is from a manga, but i'm confident if the entire game was based off manga then it would be a bit more apparent in the overall theme of the game.

[strike wolf]

Really quick before I go into work:

[quote="PancakeMix]Actually, this makes you look far worse. Because my character is from a manga. And IIRC Virus' full claim correctly, it was a Japanese name. Which would suggest it was also from a manga. So if you were just "Romeo from Romeo and Juliet", I have serious doubts about its legitimacy because that wasn't a manga, last I checked.[/quote]

Yes this is part of the reason that I wanted to see if DD was claiming the Romeo and Juliet pairing because my role is also from an anime. I didn't pursue it though because it still felt a bit early to jump to the conclusion that their role did not fit flavor wise but it was part of the factor in what I thought of DD's claim.