Once Upon A Killer Mafia (14/17) A Writers Block:Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Confirming... Is there an intro scene or are we just jumping on pancakemix?

Page 3, skimmer... Way to make yourself look intelligent and observant...

Storr, as for you... You poke any bear you think to get a read... Your opinion this early on is as meaningless to me as what color your boxers are...

fantastic! keep avoiding the game. Those who havne't voted really should consider pressuring anark since he is active, and not doing anything.

What do you expect people to do, out of curiosity? We have nothing to go on Day 1... All of us, town and scum, know that... You are doing your usual asshole behavior that only shocks the newbies, and attacking every person because they don't play the game the same as you. I haven't see anything to go on. That being said, the moderator asked us to be active... How about attacking the skimmers or the inactive instead of the only few people plating the game?

I think it is a huge mistake to vote someone merely because they were online and read the thread... Maybe he was on a smartphone, which sucks to type on... Maybe he ran out of time. Admittedly, Virus is usually a more active player- i.e., in the past- but there are lots of times I have seen people keep up with the game and yet not post... Storr, what I see is you literally attacking each and every person you can and wait for what the response is... That makes you look scummy, because it makes it look like you are just trying to start bandwagon after bandwagon. If you were truly firm in the beliefs you held, you would not be so quick to give them up...

VOte: Storr

yeah..l;. /end defense of the storr

[mtamburini]

unvote forgot my vote was still on Nark. As far as Fake Claims, I tend to believe that town has the right to know if they are being used.

Call me crazy but what good does that do for us let alone scumhunt right now? Seen a couple other posts about this and Im not really getting the point of it.

Virus being AFK doesnt mean anything yet hopefully hell be replaced. Never seen him mis a game start before and hes usually an easy read so I hope he comes back.

Anyone around right now to talk about shit? I dont feel like reading through the massive texts of walls some of you are putting up like are you guys robots are something?

[StorrZerg]

unvote forgot my vote was still on Nark. As far as Fake Claims, I tend to believe that town has the right to know if they are being used.

Call me crazy but what good does that do for us let alone scumhunt right now? Seen a couple other posts about this and Im not really getting the point of it.

Virus being AFK doesnt mean anything yet hopefully hell be replaced. Never seen him mis a game start before and hes usually an easy read so I hope he comes back.

Anyone around right now to talk about shit? I dont feel like reading through the massive texts of walls some of you are putting up like are you guys robots are something?

its game mechanics...

either way imo it should be assumed that they have them with that response from the mod. Day phase is 10 days long. i doubt he needs to be replaced, just some friendly pressure to "encourage him" that he needs to show up and say something. Since i know he was viewing the thread, thus he is at least trying to keep up to date on the game.

Im around to converse... watcha think about anarks push on myself? (since that just happened)

[mtamburini]

Is the push on virus purely AFK storr? He gets prodded regardless of votes against him so I think this is a stupid push for someone who might get replaced. I think crasp would be a good person to pressure right now.

FPD storr

[StorrZerg]

well didnt say why mechanics are cool to talk about. because it is something to talk about, and its general knowledge. it doesn't really mean anything alignment indicative imo, but it is useful to talk about rather than, lets say talking about the super bowl.


yeah sure, afk pressure why not. Can you please read anarks accusation of me, and give me your thoughts.

[mtamburini]

unvote forgot my vote was still on Nark. As far as Fake Claims, I tend to believe that town has the right to know if they are being used.

Call me crazy but what good does that do for us let alone scumhunt right now? Seen a couple other posts about this and Im not really getting the point of it.

Virus being AFK doesnt mean anything yet hopefully hell be replaced. Never seen him mis a game start before and hes usually an easy read so I hope he comes back.

Anyone around right now to talk about shit? I dont feel like reading through the massive texts of walls some of you are putting up like are you guys robots are something?

its game mechanics...

either way imo it should be assumed that they have them with that response from the mod. Day phase is 10 days long. i doubt he needs to be replaced, just some friendly pressure to "encourage him" that he needs to show up and say something. Since i know he was viewing the thread, thus he is at least trying to keep up to date on the game.

Im around to converse... watcha think about anarks push on myself? (since that just happened)

Its pretty shit but I think hes town from the way he started, but that game was prob 1-2 years ago so I dunno if its even viable meta anymore.

I skimmed a post you wrote where you showed he contradicts his thoughts so sure thats scummy and considering hes a veteran player I wouldnt expect someone to slip up that bad so early.
Fpd by storr.

[StorrZerg]

Meh was hoping you had more to say..
we can talk about crasp. Why do you find him scummy?

[mtamburini]

Meh was hoping you had more to say..
we can talk about crasp. Why do you find him scummy?

You should have a better read on him based on meta, weve talked post game about games where you say hes an easy read and Im just not getting anything right now on him. He made that vote count post which was IMO useless and an attempt to act towny without doing much of anything.

[StorrZerg]

So what do you want me to do lol?

I have a town read on him

[Whatsausage]

So what do you want me to do lol?

I have a town read on him

You could explain that town read

[crasp]

Meh was hoping you had more to say..
we can talk about crasp. Why do you find him scummy?

You should have a better read on him based on meta, weve talked post game about games where you say hes an easy read and Im just not getting anything right now on him. He made that vote count post which was IMO useless and an attempt to act towny without doing much of anything.

Take it right to the lynch MT and we will see once and for all how full of shit your reads really are.

[StorrZerg]

@Anark explain to me why provoking a response out of someone is "scum indicative"

As far as bandwagoning. I'm absolutely looking for wagons. When people vote, they give reasons. This generates content to then assess.

Currently there is far to little discussion on lynches. As far as virus, sure there really isn't anything to discuss. He is afk. And I'm not looking for a claim, or him to actually be lynched at this point.

[StorrZerg]

So what do you want me to do lol?

I have a town read on him

You could explain that town read

You give a read! I'll get to crasp when I'm off my phone.

[StorrZerg]

Only need to post once every 4 days so somebody give me a shout when this gash is over.

so we start with crasp post that got peoples feathers ruffled. So yeah, i can agree this post is a bit crappy, it is really crappy if he follows though with what he has said.
(could be looked at as a joke too considering what happens next)

The reason i made that wake me up post was because i am used to playing with Mt and Storr and what you were seeing was a load of gash. They have an unwritten dont vote early on for each other agreement and what you were seeing was their standard game. A bit of keyboard tennis until somebody then steps into that breach, in this case Ultra, they then step out and leave us mere mortals to carve each other up.
Not a big fan of day 1 reads or of playing my hand so early but a rishead has brought attention to me here are my reads so far.
I dont think Ultra is scum as no self respecting scum would make such a daft play. Just a really bad move on his part. Could get a deserved lynch though.
Streaker has got a FOS from me with that No5 vote . safest place of all for a scum vote and totally pointless post that didnt even need saying.

Lol, advocating 'no lynch' before third day of the game? It might very well come to that, but you are basicly saying Hey Guys let's just not play this game and just do night actions and see what we come up with.
What will happen when there is no cop result, or a positive town check? No Lynch on D2?

Vote Ultra

I am also very suspicious of that half baked vote from crazymikshake on me. Non -commital but capable of starting a bandwagon. if a bandwagon starts he just changes it to red and appears mid vote and nobody thinks much about it. If it doesent the he just accepts my explanation and moves off.

Like i say very little but all i have so far. Not sure why but Zivel is jangling my web as well. Keep looking at his posts but cant see why. Could just be because he is trying to crawl up Storrs butt or the safe vote on Ultra. Or could be because he just metioned me in his skim. Time will tell.
FP Storr, strikewolf.

He comes back with a lengthy post for the early game. I think its a pretty good post because it does a few things. Generates new discussion (me + mt no vote topic)
Gives his own read on Ultra, (something more to talkk about)
And imo shows he is looking for scum, indicating that streaker has the scummy vote on top of ultra.

The other thing to note about this post, is that it contradicts his entrance. he isn't looking to afk in this game, he is looking to play in this game. This is a good stance for him to be talking since it shows his desire to contribute to the game. (which he has continuously done so, having one of the more frequent posters in this game )

what do you think of pcm?

I much prefer making my own to that boxed nonsense.
Get a grip. he has made one post since the game strted and that was tell you that you were full of it. Even a self confessed guru like you cant have a read on that.
Why are you steering me away from Zivel.

Shows that he is paying attention to the game, also he redirects at the end to continue previous conversation about zivel. This post isn't about deflection either, he clearly responds to my PCM question, at to the point its blunt.



As far as his "post count post"

It isn't alignment indicative in the slightest imo. But it is 100% a pro town thing to do. Its mechanical of the game. Its good information to have, gives everyone a clear idea of who is active in this game, who isn't.

Crasp is probably up there as one of my stronger town reads atm. (along with Anamainiacks who i wish would post some more)

[strike wolf]

I hate my phone. 3 paragraph post erased because it got stuck on delete and erased the whole thing and now I dont have time to rewrite it. I am with Whatsausage. This is the second time youve skirted around defending someone because you had a "town read". It is quite likely that you do have a legitimate reason behind it but just saying you have a town read sounds lazy.

@pancake: noted but you should also note that he hasnt been on the forum much at all which suggests legitimate inactivity and a vote seemed premature. Sorr has sinve explained more and I dojt have any particular problem with the explanation.

Mtam: at the least, it helps town understand the potential for counter claims in the game and distinguishing why there is a counterclaim.

[HotShot53]

Wow, this forum has been active, I guess having both storr and mtam in a game helps that lol. I would disagree with anark's vote against storr... that is how storr always plays, throwing any little thing against the wall, sees what sticks, how people reacts, tries to upset people, etc... not saying I like that play style, but that's what he does, so I don't get a scum read from it.

I still think ultra's trying to shut down conversation before it even started is the most scummy thing so far, so I will leave my vote there. I am not 100% opposed to a no lynch if at the end of the day everyone with pressure has legitimate sounding claims (although in that case I usually go for my default of an inactive/scummarizer), but doing it from the start has no town purpose.

Virus being absent, but visible visiting the boards could be suspicious... we'll see if the votes and the prod gets him going.

I agree with the FOS on streaker, depending on how ultra flips/claims (obviously if ultra turns out to be town, a bigger FOS on streaker than if ultra turns out to be scum)

I think that covers the major points of the day so far...

[UltrasPlot]

Ffs Storr I thought you knew what you were doing. Clearly you don't. A Day One lynch is WORSE than a random lynch because the human mind percepts scumminess worse than it can avert another human from perceiving something to be scummy. As for people lynching me I don't see how a NL vote is scummy.

My role should probably not be claimed at the moment, requesting BG.
(Ffs, if you think ^ is scummy, you should quit mafia)

Looking at it we have a better chance lynching someone who's lynching me for voting NL than to look elsewhere...
Reasons for lynching me:
- Perceived denying village information (not true)
- Offering a No Lynch (lol I don't see what the taboo is)
- What do you mean shutting down conversation? As far as I can tell offering a NL does not mean 'lets just end the day.'
- Statistically at 10/5 we have a much better chance of randlynching, especially with a confirmed townie (remember werewolves can be assumed at this number, if you disagree 11/5 > 10/5)
- No one is clear at this moment so we aren't granting mafia a free kill
- tbh I should probably lynch one of the bandwagoners but they could just be bored townie
- If I were mafia (by your logic) I would've NL'd later to attract less attention.
- I am not a noob at this game. I understand there is a stigma attached to NL but lynching me trades about 3 town for 1 mafia (bad), since I think Storr is town and is probably the next lynch after I flip.

[UltrasPlot]

(FFS now mafia is gonna try to keep bandwagoning because I was apparently softing Storr)

[StorrZerg]

(FFS now mafia is gonna try to keep bandwagoning because I was apparently softing Storr)

softing what i don't understand

[HotShot53]

Ffs Storr I thought you knew what you were doing. Clearly you don't. A Day One lynch is WORSE than a random lynch because the human mind percepts scumminess worse than it can avert another human from perceiving something to be scummy. As for people lynching me I don't see how a NL vote is scummy.

My role should probably not be claimed at the moment, requesting BG.
(Ffs, if you think ^ is scummy, you should quit mafia)

Looking at it we have a better chance lynching someone who's lynching me for voting NL than to look elsewhere...
Reasons for lynching me:
- Perceived denying village information (not true)
- Offering a No Lynch (lol I don't see what the taboo is)
- What do you mean shutting down conversation? As far as I can tell offering a NL does not mean 'lets just end the day.'
- Statistically at 10/5 we have a much better chance of randlynching, especially with a confirmed townie (remember werewolves can be assumed at this number, if you disagree 11/5 > 10/5)
- No one is clear at this moment so we aren't granting mafia a free kill
- tbh I should probably lynch one of the bandwagoners but they could just be bored townie
- If I were mafia (by your logic) I would've NL'd later to attract less attention.
- I am not a noob at this game. I understand there is a stigma attached to NL but lynching me trades about 3 town for 1 mafia (bad), since I think Storr is town and is probably the next lynch after I flip.

Is a day 1 lynch often a mislynch? Yes. If it is a mislynch, does this give us information that is potentially useful in night 1 and day 2, that will make scum easier to lynch in future days? Yes.
So effectively, a lynch day 1 - best case scenario, you lynch a scum... worst case scenario, you gain information that will hopefully help to lynch scum in future days.

If everyone followed your lead, voted no lynch with no other discussion... the day would end with no further discussion. So in my mind, it seemed like you were encouraging the shutting down of conversation by saying it was pointless to even try to find scum day 1.

[virus90]

well im there, dont you worry.
kind of disturbing that mtam thinks im an easy read, makes me doubt if im really that bad a player...
also i disagree with the logic of: "he is online --> so he has definatly read everything and is supposed to write a message" sometimes reading 3 pages and responding is not alligned with the time frame you have in mind at that moment for the game, but maybe thats just me. (also that is exactly the point why i removed that ability in whatsapp, cause people say your online so why dont you respond... so i might decide to do the same here soon, im pretty sure its a tactical adventage for mafia to disable that ability)
and besides i hate day 1, and im usually highly inactive day 1. last game proved why thats better for me (i got caught being scum that game while being active), so i generally dont comment to much day 1 since i am a bit to straight forward for some people and i always get some votes on me for speaking out what i think (or being enthousiastic )

anyway about this game,
Ultra is pointing on a no lynch for arguments i think are valid, although i dont agree. so basicly i dont want to vote ultra.
also i disagree with hotshot reasoning of the day 1 mislynch --> does it provide information about the mafia? in my opinion, it is not that hard for mafia to split votes among several people day 1, generally day 1 a town majority decides to lynch someone, even if they target a mafia player generaly some of the mafia are on that wagon aswell, just to gain town creds, and later be able to say that they lynched that person SO they are town. so in my opinion it is possible that day 1 voting patterns give information, but it is also easily rigged.

[StorrZerg]

Comments in green

Ffs Storr I thought you knew what you were doing. Clearly you don't.
If you could elaborate on this statement that would help me a lot. Considering its pretty vague. Either way ill attempt a response. i don't know who is mafia, and who is town, Hence why im trying to figure out the game, pressuring people, show casing my reads, gathering input from other players etc.

A Day One lynch is WORSE than a random lynch because the human mind percepts scumminess worse than it can avert another human from perceiving something to be scummy. As for people lynching me I don't see how a NL vote is scummy.
K a "random lynch" is bad, because we won't learn anything from the lynch if its town or mafia. Since it was "random" I will get information out of a lynch, regardless of the alignment of the person we lynch. Many others here will agree to this. Anyways it doesn't matter that much. You have your philosophy on day 1. I'm trying to move past that, I want you to give reads. There is absolutely no reason for you to be this vague / avoidance about reads. (yes you town read me, yet i really don't know why. and neither does anyone else imo)

My role should probably not be claimed at the moment, requesting BG.
(Ffs, if you think ^ is scummy, you should quit mafia)
Its a pretty terrible comment to make. Since it really doesn't do anything for you, you are not being pressured to claim, and you are not really doing anything "productive" I say that because pretty much 90% of your content is regarding no lynch. (which isn't alignment indicative since its your policy, btw can you tell me where you play ?)

Looking at it we have a better chance lynching someone who's lynching me for voting NL than to look elsewhere...
Reasons for lynching me:
- Perceived denying village information (not true)
Well its not "denying" its avoidance of contribution. While you talk policy, if we move past that, no one really has a clue where you stand, about anyone.
- Offering a No Lynch (lol I don't see what the taboo is)
Well its been explained a lot. Really no point bashing heads further...
- What do you mean shutting down conversation? As far as I can tell offering a NL does not mean 'lets just end the day.'
sure, but i don't think you are trying to discuss anything besides "no lynch" which then leads to the "inhibiting conversation"
- Statistically at 10/5 we have a much better chance of randlynching, especially with a confirmed townie (remember werewolves can be assumed at this number, if you disagree 11/5 > 10/5)
- No one is clear at this moment so we aren't granting mafia a free kill
yes.. but the whole point is that we should be trying to figure out the game. we should be trying to find scum... some people do it different ways.
- tbh I should probably lynch one of the bandwagoners but they could just be bored townie
great, so which one? why that one?
- If I were mafia (by your logic) I would've NL'd later to attract less attention.
no, no lynching latter on, is with more infomation, to help gain an advantage if we have no
- I am not a noob at this game. I understand there is a stigma attached to NL but lynching me trades about 3 town for 1 mafia (bad), since I think Storr is town and is probably the next lynch after I flip.
If you are lynched, and you call me town. Why would you think i would be lynched the next day?

[UltrasPlot]

- The idea is that you're lynching me for NL on valid argument
- It's not even a randlynch, you're just lynching whoever is perceived scummiest, which mafia tend not to be
- I'm talking about the NL because everyone is lynching me for it; regardless, expect more content if I stop being lynched for posting NL
-Because you were essentially leading a lynch on a townie
-

since I think Storr is town and is probably the next lynch after I flip.

^^^
Could be manipulated and perceived to mean that I am considering you town (for now) to take off pressure.

[UltrasPlot]

Readz, since I'm tired of pushing the NL. (These are based on scumminess. 70% mafia does not mean LYNCH NOW.) (Another vote and I claim, and that will harm town considerably... mark my words) As far as this goes I have a good feeling some of those who are wagoning me are scum, although this could be lynchee bias.
StorrZerg: 10% Mafia, making full thoughtful posts (although imo he is still in the wrong about D1 nl) We should probably eliminate him from the Day One lynch for now since a mafia would be unlikely to take the time to call me out and yet not bandwagon.
Hotshot53: 40% Mafia,

Wow, these are going to be long days... Storr has really short days, rishead has really long days... I think somewhere inbetween would be better for these forums, tbh.




UltrasPlot wrote:
No Lynch

Why don't we wait for tomorrow's cop report, ffs... no point randlynching now

Umm... apparently you haven't played enough on these forums to know that saying no lynch on day one before there is even any discussions going is basically a lynchable offense here. We have 12 days to see how people react to things/post/etc... cutting off discussions before they even start is very scummy.

vote ultrasplot

Again, what makes this a lynchable offense?
Streaker: 70% Mafia, completely empty post, bandwagon
Zivel: 50% Mafia,

I like Stors play at least he is doing something, and poking the angry bear Mtam is always going to get something happening. Stor is town, Mtam I can't read so I dont know. Strike probably has the right idea of keeping his head down, but meh. Day one is boring if you don't start some strawman arguments. Pancake is boring scum. I mean, he comes in and says the party is going to start and then tells off the only two at the bloody party.

Day one can be a drag, but those that don't want to participate in it volunteer themselves for a lynching to get it over quicker imo. No lynch in day one is bad for town.

Lynch with empty post, gj, bandwagon.
dd515087: 50% Mafia, empty post. lynch. = scummy.
Anamainiacks: 50% Mafia,

Woah, pretty quick to be advocating the no lynch vote already eh? It's been less than 12 hours since the day even started...

We should always try to at least get some information out of the day phase, whether through a random slip up (though admittedly not quite common) or otherwise, or just to get a feel of the other players. And since you mentioned in the Mafia Games Handbook that you "have experience moderating" on another platform, you should be aware of this. So why the rush?

Why the rush? No rush. Although the discussion won't help very much regardless. Lynching for a NL vote, as someone mentioned earlier, is more scummy than a NL early.
crasp: 30% Mafia, idk what the hell you're doing bored villy or bored mafia

As for those that are supporting me there is still a possibility of mafia within them. Army of GOD could want the immediate NL without any discussion whatsoever, which was not my intent. For all I know, they might be mafia reading neutral off me and trying to lure me to their side. For now this is gonna be my reads, might post more soon.

[StorrZerg]

- The idea is that you're lynching me for NL on valid argument
- It's not even a randlynch, you're just lynching whoever is perceived scummiest, which mafia tend not to be
- I'm talking about the NL because everyone is lynching me for it; regardless, expect more content if I stop being lynched for posting NL
-Because you were essentially leading a lynch on a townie
-

since I think Storr is town and is probably the next lynch after I flip.

^^^
Could be manipulated and perceived to mean that I am considering you town (for now) to take off pressure.

personally i don't even have a read on on you............... all your nl talk its null and doesn't mean anything imo. since i believe that to be a policy you would follow regardless of your alignment. since that is something you are used to on another forum. (which forum??)
(you know im not pushing for a lynch on you atm right... ??)


the next post you make, can it please have nothing to do with "no lynching" hell talk about conversations that dont' even mention you. I want to know what you think about the game BESIDES no lynch. who is town? who do you think is scum? why?

And i have no idea who you mean by "you are leading a lynch on a townie"
lets be honest bro, ANYONE can make that statement. "you lynching a townie"