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Saxi! Are you ignoring me?patrickaa317 wrote:saxi - you may have missed it but there is a question for you at the bottom of the last page.
Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).
I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.PLAYER57832 wrote:Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).
I agree, that saxi often exaggerates or even goes way off base. However, when you bring up a comparison like that as if it were equal and its so patently unequal, then you do leave yourself open to criticismMetsfanmax wrote:I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.PLAYER57832 wrote:Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).
PLAYER57832 wrote: Here is the thing ... we have a HUGE Problem with meth labs and other criminals in our country. More deaths, more damage is caused by these druggies than by any Palestinian. Still, I don't see any calls, yet, to have our military start bombing the towns because the mayors cannot control the populations.

On May 13, 1985, a bomb was dropped on a row house in Philadelphia, unleashing a relentless fire that eventually burned down 61 houses, killed 11 people (including five children) and injured dozens.
The fire department stood by idly. The Philadelphia Police Department did the same. The fire raged on, swallowing up home after home until more than 200 were without shelter in an entire community distrustful of the individuals responsible for the blaze.
The police.
- The MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group that preached revolution and advocated a return to nature lifestyle. They lived communally and vowed to lead a life uninterrupted by the government, police or technology. They were passionate supporters of animal rights and members adopted vegan diets. Members also adopted the surname “Africa.” Often times they would engage in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.
Though Americans commonly believe law enforcement’s role in society is to protect them and ensure peace and stability within the community, the sad reality is that police departments are often more focused on enforcing laws, making arrests and issuing citations. As a result of this as well as an increase in militarized policing techniques, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist, estimates a Washington’s Blog report based on official statistical data.
Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it’s estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year. Since 9/11, about 5,000 Americans have been killed by U.S. police officers, which is almost equivalent to the number of U.S. soldiers who have been killed in the line of duty in Iraq.
A lie is not a level playing field.Metsfanmax wrote:I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.PLAYER57832 wrote:Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
You're offended that the al-Qassam Brigades use homemade rockets? I assure you they don't use homemade rockets to offend you. If they had access to state-of-the-art weaponry like Israel's Delilah cruise missiles I'm almost certain they would switch to using those instead. To quote Donald Rumsfeld, "you go to war with the army you have---not the army you might want or wish to have at a later time." The Palestinian people are defending themselves with the army they have.GabonX wrote:Get off it Player. If Israel started launching home made rockets
GabonX wrote:and suicide bombers
GabonX wrote:Hamas has refused a ceasefire
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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I don't have all the answers.patrickaa317 wrote: If Israel wished for a hamas ran Palestine, why does #2 keep happening?
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Stop twisting words Saxitoxin. There was an offer of a ceasefire by Egypt and Israel and Hamas refused it. The ten year truce you're referring to was mentioned as a possibility, but was refused outright by the all qassam brigades of Hamas, who are the people that are actually fighting and therefore the only party that matters in these negotiations.saxitoxin wrote:A lie is not a level playing field.Metsfanmax wrote:I don't have a "version of events." Y'all really need to stop discussing arguments as if they can only be evaluated by understanding the political beliefs of the person making the argument. If I say that Hamas violated the ceasefire in response to a claim that Israel did the same, that's not an endorsement or rejection of either side. It's just an attempt to set a level playing field for the discussion. I generally agree with saxi's opinion on who are in the right on this conflict. However, the arguments saxi makes in favor of why Israel is bad are so logically inconsistent, and so extremely partisan and one-sided, that I can't condone it silently. If Israel is as bad as he says it is, he shouldn't need to engage in poor argumentative tactics to prove it.PLAYER57832 wrote:Even your OWN narrow version of events has Israel killing hundreds, displaced tens of THOUSANDS of NON-COMBATANTS in response to rockets that mostly did some property damage.Metsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi conveniently left that out because apparently it's only possible for him to support an idealized version of the Palestinians instead of the ones they actually have (and therefore the ones who actually need the support).
A Bible prophecy website claimed Hamas violated the ceasefire. That is a lie. A ceasefire has to be agreed-upon by both belligerents, not simply declared by someone. Hamas had been excluded from the ceasefire negotiations, which is patently crazy if you're genuinely interested in a ceasefire as opposed to a PR talking point. Hamas had, however, proposed - not a 5 hour ceasefire, but a 10 year truce! The conditions for the truce included things like letting Gazans fish so they don't have to starve to death, allowing the resumption of food imports to Gaza so they don't have to start to death, and release of Palestinians held indefinitely without charge. Mordor rejected the offer of a truce, at which point the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades resumed self-defense operations of a military necessity.
Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because according to Hamas even if Israel was dumb enough to say "OK, we'll give you back the convicted murderers and all that other stuff you want in exchange for the promise of ten years peace, after which ?, because we trust that this time you will keep your word", the people Israel is actually fighting say it wouldn't matter and publicly state they will continue fighting.Hamas'sarmed wing, the Kassam Brigades, rejected the reported text of the truce deal, saying: "Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity."
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because

Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 0#p5349880
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Its a different publication entirely, one Ive never heard of but i guess keeping up on this stuff helps to fuel your antisemitism, that is if you didn't Photoshop it.saxitoxin wrote:That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because
However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Still wouldn't satisfy antisemites like Saxitoxin...Army of GOD wrote:just nuke them all
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
This is the site you and Mets were defending:GabonX wrote:Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Your attempts to cross references and paint the picture that Israel is supported exclusively by sociopath cult members is false.saxitoxin wrote:That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because
However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.
However it is true of Hamas...
The site's "About" page, shown in the image I posted, can be accessed here: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/about-usMetsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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Still wouldn't satisfy antisemites like Saxitoxin...Army of GOD wrote:just nuke them all
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.
This was a horrible event, though from what I remember, you are skipping quite a few significant details.Dukasaur wrote:PLAYER57832 wrote: Here is the thing ... we have a HUGE Problem with meth labs and other criminals in our country. More deaths, more damage is caused by these druggies than by any Palestinian. Still, I don't see any calls, yet, to have our military start bombing the towns because the mayors cannot control the populations.
http://globalgrind.com/2013/09/26/11-th ... phia-list/
https://www.facebook.com/anarchistmemes ... 0360492101
http://blacksupremacylovenunity.wordpre ... y-13-1985/
Apparently you don't bomb meth labs, yet, but you do bomb community groups that adopt vegan diets.On May 13, 1985, a bomb was dropped on a row house in Philadelphia, unleashing a relentless fire that eventually burned down 61 houses, killed 11 people (including five children) and injured dozens.
The fire department stood by idly. The Philadelphia Police Department did the same. The fire raged on, swallowing up home after home until more than 200 were without shelter in an entire community distrustful of the individuals responsible for the blaze.
The police.
- The MOVE Organization is a Philadelphia-based black liberation group that preached revolution and advocated a return to nature lifestyle. They lived communally and vowed to lead a life uninterrupted by the government, police or technology. They were passionate supporters of animal rights and members adopted vegan diets. Members also adopted the surname “Africa.” Often times they would engage in public demonstrations related to issues they deemed important.
This is a true, but different issue.Dukasaur wrote:http://www.mintpressnews.com/us-police- ... 11/172029/Though Americans commonly believe law enforcement’s role in society is to protect them and ensure peace and stability within the community, the sad reality is that police departments are often more focused on enforcing laws, making arrests and issuing citations. As a result of this as well as an increase in militarized policing techniques, Americans are eight times more likely to be killed by a police officer than by a terrorist, estimates a Washington’s Blog report based on official statistical data.
Though the U.S. government does not have a database collecting information about the total number of police involved shootings each year, it’s estimated that between 500 and 1,000 Americans are killed by police officers each year. Since 9/11, about 5,000 Americans have been killed by U.S. police officers, which is almost equivalent to the number of U.S. soldiers who have been killed in the line of duty in Iraq.
I was talking about the article you posted, which you didn't read, which said the exact opposite of what you said it did...saxitoxin wrote:This is the site you and Mets were defending:GabonX wrote:Another perfect example of your dishonesty, that image isnt even related to the article you posted. Your attempts to cross references and paint the picture that Israel is supported exclusively by sociopath cult members is false.saxitoxin wrote:That's correct I did not read it and I readily admit you are accurate on that point. As a matter of policy I don't read bible prophecy websites, or websites that declare they present news with "a biblical bias", to inform me of current affairs.GabonX wrote:Referring to the source as a "bible prophecy website" is hateful and bigoted, but humersously you didn't even bother to read the whole article, because
However, I apologize if you were offended, as I know the scriptures, magic, and prophecy forms a central part of your worldview, as it does almost all Israel supporters.
However it is true of Hamas...
The site's "About" page, shown in the image I posted, can be accessed here: http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/about-usMetsfanmax wrote:Yeah and Hamas also violated the 5-hour ceasefire the other day by firing rockets into Israel but saxi
People may now wonder why you made the choice to lie by saying "that image isnt even related to the article you posted"? Did you give up on screaming "ANTI-SEMITE!" as loud as you can to drown-out rational dialog and civil debate?
Gabby, reading your posts is liking watching a fully loaded passenger train headed at full speed down a track toward a bridge that's collapsed.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
You're going to call him on this, but you don't have anything to say about what Saxitoxin says about Israelis?BigBallinStalin wrote:Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.
You certainly are worth taking seriously.
Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.
Spazz Arcane wrote:If birds could swim and fish could fly I would awaken in the morning to the sturgeons cry. If fish could fly and birds could swim I'd still use worms to fish for them.
saxitoxin wrote:I'm on Team GabonX
Actually implied they're rattlesnakes, which is pretty cool.BigBallinStalin wrote:Nice. You just implied that Palestinians are less than human.a6mzero wrote:Israel could agree to go back to pre 1967 borders and make Jerusalem an open city and ThePalestinians would take that offering and continue to launch rockets and blow up buses and teach all their kindergarden age kids to aspire to kill jews. Israel trying to coexist peacefully with Palestinians is like a person trying to share their house with a rattlesnake.
You certainly are worth taking seriously.
Tell us how you feel about black people, Hispanics, and the Roma people.


Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
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