Israel Plans to Restore Death Penalty for Everyone but Jews

[warmonger1981]

Didn't Israel create Hamas in seventyfive?

[Metsfanmax]

Air raids have been launched from Israel into Gaza for over a decade -- Hamas will use that as all the justification it needs for an offensive to take out the IDF capabilities.

Edited to correct for historical revisionism.

*shrug* I think that you did this just proves the sentence immediately prior to the one you kept.

[BigBallinStalin]

'Opportunity cost!' cried BBS as he tossed another of his neighbour's children to her new Middle Eastern pimp. 'Profit margin!' he cackled as he fed the old and the infirm into his wood chipper. The sick song of Adam Smith playing in Biebs' indifferent mind, all around him choking on the putrid stench of capitalism.

Oh, you sly devil, you!

Anyway, if you wanna get serious, lemme know.

[BigBallinStalin]

A few highlights from the weekend of the global outrage sweeping the world over Israel's ethnic cleansing operation.

In Sydney, thousands of average Australian families marched through the streets demanding the downfall of Israel.

"Down, down, Israel!


Orhodox Jews in Montreal called an emergency protest to denounce "Israel" and wave Palestinian flags.

"Jews lived for centuries in Muslim countries in peace. This was changed in the 1920s when Zionism first came up and caused this conflict."


A pro-Palestine / anti-Israel motorcycle rally through central London!

"beep beep"

Lemme ask you a fun question:

given the constraints which the Israeli citizens face, what can they plausibly do?

In other words, what would you recommend to an Israeli citizen (regardless of origin) to do in order to minimize casualties of human beings?

[BigBallinStalin]

Do a history search on France, Germany, and Russia. Judeo-Masonic world government conspiracy in the 1800's. I'm pretty sure the 19th century was filled with antisemitic themes. The czars of Russia were not fond of Jews ( Black Russia) nor was Italy. Jews have been made out to be bad guys for long time. Why the long hatred for Jews and a world government conspiracy?

Tell us your answer to that question please.

[BigBallinStalin]

Lemme ask y'all some questions:
(nevermind the ones I asked before about the effectiveness of the Israeli evacuation program v. the Hamas' 'stay in your homes program'. If people talk about that without addressing those questions, then they have no evidence for their claims).


1. What are the chances of an Israeli (or anyone within Israel) being killed by a Hamas rocket?

2. If the chances of being struck by lightning or by a comet were higher than being hit by a inept Hamas missile, then why panic/worry about Hamas rockets?


3. Finally, if you don't know the risk involved, then what makes you such an expert on these issues? Is your opinion actually based on facts or what?

[Metsfanmax]

2. If the chances of being struck by lightning or by a comet were higher than being hit by a inept Hamas missile, then why panic/worry about Hamas rockets?

People are irrational about all sorts of small risks, like the chances of a core accident at their neighborhood nuclear reactor. Asking "why panic" isn't helpful -- people will panic when there are rockets flying about, even if the chance of any individual dying from one is very, very small.

[saxitoxin]

Enjoy Saxi...

LMAO!!!!!!

Hamas to Israel: "Don''t go to sleep, we may get you in your sleep."

I don't know why you're complaining, that sounds every bit as good-natured and meaningful as Israel's "warnings" to Gazans to evacuate prior to its bombing runs. All we need now is FOX News and the 700 Club to do a special report on how Hamas is providing ample alert to Israelis to stay awake at night so they can get to a shelter quickly and how Israel is using its own citizens as human shields by not providing similar advice.

[saxitoxin]

'Opportunity cost!' cried BBS as he tossed another of his neighbour's children to her new Middle Eastern pimp. 'Profit margin!' he cackled as he fed the old and the infirm into his wood chipper. The sick song of Adam Smith playing in Biebs' indifferent mind, all around him choking on the putrid stench of capitalism.

Oh, you sly devil, you!

Anyway, if you wanna get serious, lemme know.

This isn't the place to arrange hook-ups. Take it to a different thread.

[saxitoxin]

Lemme ask you a fun question:

given the constraints which the Israeli citizens face, what can they plausibly do?

leave

[saxitoxin]

1. What are the chances of an Israeli (or anyone within Israel) being killed by a Hamas rocket?

Over the last 12 months, the chance of an Israel being killed by a katyusha rocket is 1-in-7,908,000.

Over the last 12 months, the chance of a Gazan being killed by a IDF bomb is 1-in-8,285.

For every one Israeli killed, 200 Gazans are exterminated. In Bohemia in WW2, the Nazis applied a policy of killing 10 Czechs for every German killed. In other words, the Israelis are mathematically 20 times worse than the Nazis.

2. If the chances of being struck by lightning or by a comet were higher than being hit by a inept Hamas missile, then why panic/worry about Hamas rockets?

If weather patterns in Palestine were similar to the U.S., an Israeli is roughly 4,000% more likely to be struck by lightening in any given year than killed by a katyusha rocket.

[Phatscotty]

So if the odds are so low, why even fire the rockets...

[saxitoxin]

So if the odds are so low, why even fire them...

If a sniper were shooting at you from a distance in an open field with a precision rifle and you only had an old broken revolver, would you (a) resign yourself to getting killed and sit down quietly until the sniper blew your brains out, or, (b) do whatever you could to beat off the attack and survive even a few minutes longer, no matter how hopeless the odds?

Or, in the words of Rana Baker's article "Rejecting Victimhood":

I wonder whether, when the settler-colonial army of Israel is pounding Gaza, Palestinians should grab guitars, pianos, and white ribbons, look up at their oppressors flying over their heads in Apaches and F16s, and sing a lullaby of peace. Perhaps, then, we can impress Middle East "experts" and "non-violent resistance" butterflies. I wonder, moreover, what authority, defined by what experience, entitles these experts and butterflies to ask us, the Palestinians, to put down our arms.

http://opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening ... resistance

Scotty, should Palestinians (a) embrace a culture of victimhood, lay down and beg, or, (b) fight "with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves" against an enemy that "boasts of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death."*

* "Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms" - Thomas Jefferson

[mrswdk]

The American colonies were founded with generous funding and support from the UK before turning around and dishonorably shirking all their debts and responsibilities. Palestine already existed and has been gradually subsumed by the newer state of Israel, which was imposed upon the them by unrelated foreign powers. The two aren't really comparable.

[muy_thaiguy]

The American colonies were founded with generous funding and support from the UK before turning around and dishonorably shirking all their debts and responsibilities. Palestine already existed and has been gradually subsumed by the newer state of Israel, which was imposed upon the them by unrelated foreign powers. The two aren't really comparable.

Actually, the beginnings of the colonies were almost all done by the colonists on their own for quite a while. Some were buisiness ventures, but most of those that came and established the early colonies were heavily persecuted in England. And let's not forget New York was orginally Dutch.

But that has nothing to really do with this conversation. The colonies were an ocean away on an enirely different continent where any news form England would only get there 3 months later at the soonest. Palestine is literally right next to Israel.

[saxitoxin]

An Israeli navy corvette was steaming by Gaza yesterday and saw some Palestinian children playing on the beach so decided to start shelling them. Some of the children who survived the initial attack tried to run to safety so the Israelis opened up on them with their .50 deck guns as they were fleeing. Four children were blown to smithereens by the Israelis and six were wounded. This occurred in the site of a hotel full of journalists who witnessed the attack and reported seeing the beach covered in blood and little body parts.



The Israelis can do anything they want and don't have to hide it. This is the country that laughed as they machine gunned dying U.S. Navy sailors in the water as they begged for their lives. Remember, the same bible prophecy that Israelis say gives them the right to rule Palestine also asserts the view that they are God's chosen people; that you and everyone else is put on the Earth for their service or amusement. That's why they don't have any moral reticence in using a goyim 12 year old as a target in a live shooting game to pass a lazy summer afternoon when there's nothing good on TV. No one will do anything. In the words of Ariel Sharon, "we own America."

[saxitoxin]

new poll added

[GabonX]

1. What are the chances of an Israeli (or anyone within Israel) being killed by a Hamas rocket?

Over the last 12 months, the chance of an Israel being killed by a katyusha rocket is 1-in-7,908,000.

Over the last 12 months, the chance of a Gazan being killed by a IDF bomb is 1-in-8,285.

For every one Israeli killed, 200 Gazans are exterminated. In Bohemia in WW2, the Nazis applied a policy of killing 10 Czechs for every German killed. In other words, the Israelis are mathematically 20 times worse than the Nazis.

2. If the chances of being struck by lightning or by a comet were higher than being hit by a inept Hamas missile, then why panic/worry about Hamas rockets?

If weather patterns in Palestine were similar to the U.S., an Israeli is roughly 4,000% more likely to be struck by lightening in any given year than killed by a katyusha rocket.

The Nazis rounded up the Jews and put them in prison camps, killing thousands every day. This happened with no reason or provocation.

When the Israelis first began occupying the Palestinian territory... GDP skyrocketed up and infant mortality skyrocketed down. That happened for thirty years, until the PLO took over Palestine and the Intifadas caused a virtual prison lockdown of the system. Even still, the number of Palestinians continue to rise and the total death count of Palestinians in the 60 year conflict is less than the number of Syrians dead in a three year conflict.

The ONLY reason you would compare the two is a) to invoke a ridiculous, non-reasonable amount of sympathy or b) to shove it to the people defending some of Israel's actions.

Or you're a troll...

Though maybe you think that the Nazis were right in their persecution of Jews.

[GabonX]

So if the odds are so low, why even fire them...

If a sniper were shooting at you from a distance in an open field with a precision rifle and you only had an old broken revolver, would you (a) resign yourself to getting killed and sit down quietly until the sniper blew your brains out, or, (b) do whatever you could to beat off the attack and survive even a few minutes longer, no matter how hopeless the odds?

Or, in the words of Rana Baker's article "Rejecting Victimhood":

I wonder whether, when the settler-colonial army of Israel is pounding Gaza, Palestinians should grab guitars, pianos, and white ribbons, look up at their oppressors flying over their heads in Apaches and F16s, and sing a lullaby of peace. Perhaps, then, we can impress Middle East "experts" and "non-violent resistance" butterflies. I wonder, moreover, what authority, defined by what experience, entitles these experts and butterflies to ask us, the Palestinians, to put down our arms.

http://opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening ... resistance

Scotty, should Palestinians (a) embrace a culture of victimhood, lay down and beg, or, (b) fight "with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves" against an enemy that "boasts of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death."*

* "Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms" - Thomas Jefferson

Hamas is gaining precisely nothing from its campaign other than getting Palestinians killed. Firing rockets at civilians is a war crime, as is firing those rockets from within civilian areas. They should cease committing such war crimes and receive nothing in the way of a reward for doing so (not least because they shouldn't be presented wth an incentive to resume such attacks in future whenever they feel like being lavished with blandishments to stop).

The recent actions (war crimes) of Hamas and other Islamic terrorist organisations in Gaza have thus far cost almost 200 Palestinian lives.

Now, in a further betrayal of the Palestinians, Hamas has rejected the ceasefire that the people of Gaza overwhelmingly want.

Gaza Public Rejects Hamas, Wants Ceasefire (The Washington Institute, by David Pollock)

A recent, credible poll shows that most Gazans oppose Hamas policies and leaders alike, and favor a ceasefire with Israel.

Today's headlines are that Hamas has just rejected Egypt's offer of a ceasefire with Israel and instead continues to fire rockets indiscriminately at Israeli towns and cities. Less known is a crucial fact: the people of Gaza are solidly against these Hamas policies. Indeed, by a very large majority, they oppose Hamas rule altogether.

The June survey demonstrates the sharp contrast between what most Gazans want and what their Hamas government continually does. The group's popularity was at a low point as the current crisis began, and there is no evidence that it has rebounded. The poll results show that the people of that hard-pressed territory want a ceasefire and even economic opportunity in Israel -- and that they overwhelmingly reject Hamas policies and leaders alike.

People who post here in support of the racist, genocidal terrorist organisation Hamas, and its wantonly criminal acts against Israeli and Palestinian civilians (firing indiscriminately at the former, whilst cowering behind the latter), are not pro-Palestinian at all, they simply hate Israel and chose to cheer for bloodthirsty religious fascists that wish to destroy the world's only Jewish state.

To be truly supportive of Palestinians, you have to oppose Hamas and their terror tactics, as the overwhelming majority of Palestinians themselves do.

Hamas has deliberately been trying to get as many Palestinians killed as possible, even as Israel has gone out of its way and far beyond its legal obligations to avoid killing them in the process of rightfully defending itself against rocket attacks.

[GabonX]

An Israeli navy corvette was steaming by Gaza yesterday and saw some Palestinian children playing on the beach so decided to start shelling them. Some of the children who survived the initial attack tried to run to safety so the Israelis opened up on them with their .50 deck guns as they were fleeing. Four children were blown to smithereens by the Israelis and six were wounded. This occurred in the site of a hotel full of journalists who witnessed the attack and reported seeing the beach covered in blood and little body parts.

And then I read your alternate reality murder porn and I realize you're just like Hamas. Reading this it's clear you take pleasure in the death and suffering of children so long as it gives you an opportunity to besmirch Israel, who you clearly hate more than you care about the Palestinians. The shades of truth you spin are so intellectually dishonest, the hatred you hold towards this group which frankly you know nothing about, makes it impossible to have a rational conversation with you.

You're truly sick.

[saxitoxin]

An Israeli navy corvette was steaming by Gaza yesterday and saw some Palestinian children playing on the beach so decided to start shelling them. Some of the children who survived the initial attack tried to run to safety so the Israelis opened up on them with their .50 deck guns as they were fleeing. Four children were blown to smithereens by the Israelis and six were wounded. This occurred in the site of a hotel full of journalists who witnessed the attack and reported seeing the beach covered in blood and little body parts.

And then I read your alternate reality murder porn and I realize you're just like Hamas. Reading this it's clear you take pleasure in the death and suffering of children so long as it gives you an opportunity to besmirch Israel, who you clearly hate more than you care about the Palestinians. The shades of truth you spin are so intellectually dishonest, the hatred you hold towards this group which frankly you know nothing about, makes it impossible to have a rational conversation with you.

You're truly sick.

You just called me "truly sick" for expressing sadness that four little children playing on the beach just had their heads, arms, and legs blown off as their friends watched. That seems roughly on-par with the Israeli view of the world order:



You don't fail to disappoint, GabonX. (Are you the fat kid with glasses staring at Weiner's ass?)

[GabonX]

I called you sick because you're gleefully using this tragedy as a creative writing project to promote antisemitism with no acknowledgement that this could and should have ended yesterday. There's no expression of grief in any part of what you said, just Jew bashing.

[saxitoxin]

I called you sick because you're gleefully using this tragedy as a creative writing project to promote antisemitism with no acknowledgement that this could and should have ended yesterday. There's no expression of grief in any part of what you said, just Jew bashing.

You're welcome to continue using the "S" word of course, I just feel it's my duty to observe you sound a bit like a nutter each time someone posts news about small children having their little heads blown off their bodies and you and the rest of Tel Aviv's Amen! chorus start singing "Anti-Semitism!" at the top of your lungs thinking it's some kind-of Get Out of Jail Free card.

Honestly, if you support Palestine and the nutcase gallery hasn't called you anti-Semitic yet, you're not doing your job. Sorry if that outrages you but, you know, whatever.

[GabonX]

I called you sick because you're gleefully using this tragedy as a creative writing project to promote antisemitism with no acknowledgement that this could and should have ended yesterday. There's no expression of grief in any part of what you said, just Jew bashing.

You're welcome to continue shouting "Anti-Semitism!", of course, I just feel it's my duty to observe you look a bit like a lunatic each time you're outargued and start screaming the S word at the top of your lungs thinking it's some kind-of Get Out of Jail Free card. It's used with such regularity nowadays by Tel Aviv's "Amen!" chorus that it's lost all meaning and no one really cares if they're called Anti-Semitic anymore; it's just expected. Sorry if that outrages you, but, you know, whatever.

It's a perfectly applicable word for you. You've taken all manner of European antisemitism but changed the word Jew to Zionist. You portray all Zionists as hate filled religious zealots who want to enslave humanity while advocating they be "cleansed" from Israel. You've stated Jews in other countries should have their property confiscated.

The following statement which you agreed to shows exactly where you stand:

You believe Israeli Jews, Zionists, and Jews in other countries who support Israel, are the worst people in the world. You believe these people should have their property confiscated based on "support to Zionist organizations." You believe the primary cause of problems in the Middle East and perhaps the world, is Zionism. You believe Zionism is an extreme religious movement and dismiss any connection to a secular culture or consideration of refuge populations. You believe Israelis and Zionists consider the rest of humanity their slaves and treat them as such.

You believe Palestinians share no fault for the conflict between them and Israel. In addition to confiscation of "Zionist property" (please advise if you object to the term), Israel and other responsible countries must compensate the Palestinians who will then be satisfied and will not use the money to take up arms against Jews. Israel must integrate with the populations of Gaza and the West Bank and open immigration to Arabs and Muslims. Israel must do this without "using negotiation as a stalling tactic" lest they be "drowned in the peace well."

Various proclamations you sited adequately guarantee the security of the Jewish population of Israel in accepting the Arab terms. Israel must unilaterally disarm and must not delay in accepting these terms.

correct

It's almost identical to the old rank and file antisemitism...

You believe Jews are the worst people in the world. You believe people should have their property confiscated based on "support to Jewish organizations." You believe the primary cause of problems in the Middle East and perhaps the world, is Judaism. You believe Judaism is an extreme religious movement and dismiss any connection to a secular culture or consideration of refuge populations. You believe Jews consider the rest of humanity their slaves and treat them as such.

You believe Europeans share no fault for the conflict between them and Jews. In addition to confiscation of "Jewish property" (please advise if you object to the term), Israel and other responsible countries must compensate Europeans who will then be satisfied and will not use the money to take up arms against Jews. Jews must integrate with the populations of Europe and convert or accept second class status in European society. Jews must do this without "using negotiation as a stalling tactic" lest they be "drowned in the peace well." (Thinly veiled code for Jews must submit or or be subject to genocide)

Various proclamations you sited adequately guarantee the security of the Jewish population of Europe in accepting the Nazi/Russian/Spanish/Roman etc. terms. Jews must unilaterally disarm and must not delay in accepting these terms.

None of this is new. It's all been seen and done to the Jewish people before. Using the term "Zionist" when your liberal definition of the term applies to 99% of the world's Jewish population doesn't change the sentiments. They're almost identical.

What's more, you apply all manner of falsities to "Zionists" and Israelis and do anything you can to demean them. For example:

You claim Israelis are land thieves comparable to bank robbers despite the fact that there are at least four generations which have lived their entire lives in Israel and know no other country.

You claim that all people who support Israel are hate filled religious zealots though nothing could be further from the truth. The same is true of the Jewish population of Israel, most of whom hold moderate to secular affiliation.

You ascribe all manner of hateful practices and beliefs to these people and portray them as though they act in diabolical unison.

You ignore legitimate grievances in regards to terrorist acts committed against the Israeli people. You can disagree with policies of the Israeli government, but to rank and file approve attacks on civilians as you do is demented and hateful.

You dismiss any consideration for the security of the Israeli people.

You ignore any part of history that shows Israel in a positive light. This includes peace agreements with other countries, acts of charity, ecology, improved infant mortality rates and standards of living for Palestinians than existed under Jordan, and Israel's extraordinary contribution to science, medicine and technology, things which you use on a daily basis.

You embellish any elements of history which demean Israel with enthusiasm, often adding false and incendiary lore.

You have no consideration or sympathy for Jewish refugees from the holocaust who after barely surviving the Nazi horror and fleeing the post World War 2 pogroms were greeted with calls for genocide from Arab leaders. You portray these Arabs as level headed and reasonable and act as thought they are heroes.

Last but not least, you claim "Zionists" are the worst people in the world, while using a definition so liberal that it includes close to 99% of the world's Jewish population. You advocate these people be disarmed, stripped of property, and most probably killed. The only Jews you have praise for are the fringe ultra religious groups who actually do use words like goyim, believe they're God's chosen people, and that the rest of humanity exists to serve them. You support them because they oppose Zionism as a political (read secular) movement, even though they often live in Israel and leach off the welfare state.

I don't expect any of this to resonate with you Saxi, as I'm aware that when a person's programming is as embedded as yours is on this issue nothing short of an immediate and personal dramatic life trauma can change their views. Fortunately you won't ever have to face the danger Hamas, Hezbollah etc. bring to the Israelis and to their own people... That said, I would like to make the point that this is a ridiculously detached statement.

Honestly, if you support Palestine and the nutcase gallery hasn't called you anti-Semitic yet, you're not doing your job. Sorry if that outrages you but, you know, whatever.

If you truly supported Palestine you would denounce Hamas for putting Palestinians in harms way and executing their own people for trivial reasons. You seem to have no problem with Hamas killing Palestinians, utilizing children as suicide bombers, firing rockets which serve no defensive and no strategic offensive purpose (other than vandalism and murder) while attempting to maximize casualties of their own people to use as propoganda etc.

Clearly you are not pro Palestinian at all, or you would denounce Hamas as the Palestinians do. Rather, your motivation seems to be a seething and irrational hatred of Israel, the one Jewish state.

[Phatscotty]

So if the odds are so low, why even fire them...

If a sniper were shooting at you from a distance in an open field with a precision rifle and you only had an old broken revolver, would you (a) resign yourself to getting killed and sit down quietly until the sniper blew your brains out, or, (b) do whatever you could to beat off the attack and survive even a few minutes longer, no matter how hopeless the odds?

Or, in the words of Rana Baker's article "Rejecting Victimhood":

I wonder whether, when the settler-colonial army of Israel is pounding Gaza, Palestinians should grab guitars, pianos, and white ribbons, look up at their oppressors flying over their heads in Apaches and F16s, and sing a lullaby of peace. Perhaps, then, we can impress Middle East "experts" and "non-violent resistance" butterflies. I wonder, moreover, what authority, defined by what experience, entitles these experts and butterflies to ask us, the Palestinians, to put down our arms.

http://opendemocracy.net/arab-awakening ... resistance

Scotty, should Palestinians (a) embrace a culture of victimhood, lay down and beg, or, (b) fight "with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live as slaves" against an enemy that "boasts of their privileges and civilization, and yet proffer no milder conditions than servitude or death."*

* "Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms" - Thomas Jefferson

Of course, if a sniper were shooting at me from a distance in an open field with a precision rifle and I only had an old broken revolver, I would fire my broken revolver. Granted, it's gonna be a reality that I am gonna have to accept that my broken revolver and myself aren't going to be issuing orders to the guys with the sniper rifles, and it's likely the guys with the sniper rifles are probably going to be issuing orders to me. Sure, I could go give up my life and fight for the cause, and I wouldn't be wrong either. Just sayin, pick your battles wisely is all.

I also, being the guy with the broken revolver, would not go up to that sniper and open fire with my broken revolver. I do not mean to get into a 'who started it/who is to blame' but when it comes to missiles and rockets and shows of force with ground troops, I cannot help but note the Palestinians use people as shields to protect their rockets, while Israel uses rockets to protect and shield people. That doesn't mean Israel is right and has never done anything wrong ever EVER. But that's the way it goes. Either you got the power, or you don't. And then it's how they use their power. Does one side wish to wipe out genocide style the other side completely? Does one side warn it's enemies civilians where they are going to bomb and when.

I think the Palestinians should choose peace. I know how hard and frustrating that can sound, but these fights aren't going to get them anywhere. What they probably will get other than positive global media spin is a bunch of money sent to them to support the cause, and that's fine.

I don't see Israel giving up their Biblical homeland voluntarily, they will probably fight to the last Israeli. May the best man win, same way it's always been.