Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

by **pancakemix** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:49 pm

IAmRobik wrote:So, I just had a random thought -- what if PCM checks himself tonight and reports back to us and we lynch outside of PCM/KGB

1. Doubt I can do that.
2. I'd rather get shot because it would prove just as much and not waste time
3. I'd be a sitting duck tonight
4. I'm pretty much a sitting duck anyway

If we do go this route, I'd opt for jwied.

by **legionnare** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:52 pm

I'm fairly confident Jwied will turn up town. I haven't seen anything that would indicate scum TBH.

by **pancakemix** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:39 pm

As it turns out, I am able to investigate myself. Then it occurred to me it wouldn't help anything anyway because I'm a Lannister.

derp

by **StorrZerg** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 6:46 pm

Day 4 Voting ends 7/15 16:00 cc time
Roughly less than 20 hours

kgb007(4): pancakemix, IAmRobik, Nebuchadnezer, Army of GOD
pancakemix (2): jwiedlin, SiriusCowKing

Currently kgb007 is set to be lynched.

Those who have do not have placed votes (7)
27ninjabunnies, betiko, boonetown, Epitaph1, kgb007, MudPuppy, legionnare

by **Army of GOD** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:59 pm

I don't understand why pcm would investigate himself anyway...

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:04 pm

pancakemix wrote:Also, for the record, I wil not rule out that Neb is town, but I would be unable to prove it if his claim is true. That doesn't mean he's not scum if he is Jaime, though. Food for thought.

FP'd bunnies: Pretender was also alive, so that increases that possibility. If boone is still being redirected, that means there may be a third? Unless there's something boone isn't telling us...

Pancake - this is the crux of the matter. There is no way, according to your role, you could get an "anti-town" result on ME. Therefore, your action either had to be redirected, or I was bus driven. Either way, your investigation was not on ME.

If there was no bus driving or redirecting, then I question your sanity as a cop.

Couple this with your "town" result on Pretender, who has a role that says he turns up guilty, and your sanity is further questioned.

Oh, there is the possibility that you are lying.

IAmRobik wrote:So, I just had a random thought -- what if PCM checks himself tonight and reports back to us and we lynch outside of PCM/KGB

This means we actually trust Pancake, which rules out the possibility that he is lying. While it's small, I won't necessarily rule it out.

pancakemix wrote:As it turns out, I am able to investigate myself. Then it occurred to me it wouldn't help anything anyway because I'm a Lannister.

derp

What if your insane?

Then there is this...

betiko wrote:ok got my result from X; 1/3 storm's end (sorry I wasn't around, and yes whoever has followed the thread knows who is where by now, no need to pretend anymore). Anyway, I won't have time to fill in each claimed night action properly as I would like to, but please go ahead and help:

I don't think X has been wrong yet, has he? This really makes me think. Some effed up "investigation" results. Sirius claims town roleblocker. I'm town .5 vig. Had Sirius "blocked" somebody, I could clear him...but I can't, because he didn't. Had you reported a correct find on me or Pretender, I could clear you...but I can't, because you didn't. Things are supposed to get clearer as the game progresses...If I trust you, I necessarily am naming Sirius as scum...which means he is lying about his role.

I'm gonna sleep on this one. You all just had a look inside my head. :sick:

FPd by Army - to check his sanity.

by **boonetown** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:38 pm

Okay so first i want to talk to PCM about the two possibilities
The possibilities are:

1. He (and by extension you) are lying.
2. I was somehow redirected.

i can get on board with number one, but not number two. Why? Because when i was redirected, my check came back both times with the different name. I dont see storr changing that for each person, he would make it the same.

when it comes to bunnies, i have mentioned it a few times, i cannot help but find her scummy, and despite the "town" consensus in kings landing, i'm still worried.

can kings landing be checked again to see what sort of ratio we get now that there are only two of us? i'd be very interested to see the results.

i also want to say, if there are any sort of medic type roles, please do NOT put your save on myself or bunnies. If we are "confirmed town" then we should be killed off, especially now that bunnies is linked to someone, they can kill one and get two town? but with her and i not dying, im worried it's because she's not town and thus, they keep up both alive to not throw suspicion. i dunno, i might just be super paranoid.

actually now that i think about it, her being linked to someone, if they are both town then mafia would be stupid to not kill them to get two for the price of one, so maybe medic should be on them? asdhfjaksfas BAH!

@pancake, aside from the character names, there is NOTHING i am not telling anyone.

can you explain why there was no mention of a mafia check on neb until day 4?

@ legionaire you are Jorah Moremont, and until Betiko says I can say his name, i won't out his.

by **boonetown** on Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:48 pm

also, killing PCM helps us no matter PCM's alignment, if proven town we have two people that came back as mafia, if proven mafia, we have two people that are more than likely town.

i say shoot pcm so we can get a lynch in today.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:02 am

boonetown wrote:Okay so first i want to talk to PCM about the two possibilities
The possibilities are:

1. He (and by extension you) are lying.
2. I was somehow redirected.

i can get on board with number one, but not number two. Why? Because when i was redirected, my check came back both times with the different name. I dont see storr changing that for each person, he would make it the same.

when it comes to bunnies, i have mentioned it a few times, i cannot help but find her scummy, and despite the "town" consensus in kings landing, i'm still worried.

can kings landing be checked again to see what sort of ratio we get now that there are only two of us? i'd be very interested to see the results.

i also want to say, if there are any sort of medic type roles, please do NOT put your save on myself or bunnies. If we are "confirmed town" then we should be killed off, especially now that bunnies is linked to someone, they can kill one and get two town? but with her and i not dying, im worried it's because she's not town and thus, they keep up both alive to not throw suspicion. i dunno, i might just be super paranoid.

actually now that i think about it, her being linked to someone, if they are both town then mafia would be stupid to not kill them to get two for the price of one, so maybe medic should be on them? asdhfjaksfas BAH!

@pancake, aside from the character names, there is NOTHING i am not telling anyone.

can you explain why there was no mention of a mafia check on neb until day 4?

@ legionaire you are Jorah Moremont, and until Betiko says I can say his name, i won't out his.

If he's not Bran (Brandon) Stark --- or like Jojan Reed, you have to out it pretty much immediately.

by **kgb007** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:13 am

I'd rather see PCM lynched then potentially waste my vig on an insane cop. AOG seems to be pushing about the maximum amount of blood shed. that makes me suspicious. PCM imploring me to kill him makes me think he's insane whether he wants to believe it himself so I'll actually vote AOG

by **jwiedlin** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 10:59 am

boonetown wrote:@pancake, aside from the character names, there is NOTHING i am not telling anyone.

can you explain why there was no mention of a mafia check on neb until day 4?

I tried to ask this too, but all PCM could muster was that I was terrible at this...

This is the largest hole in PCM's story, and leads me to believe his entire claim is fabricated.

by **Epitaph1** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:04 am

I don't see how we can lynch/kill outside of PCM and KGB right now. This is the most we've had to go on since the Mr. Y tracking Mr. X to pershy scenario.

I'm trying to think what conclusions we draw by killing/lynching PCM over KGB. Let me know if this is sound.

If he flips town: we kill KGB (based on his result) and either SCK or Neb (since there will still be one remaining anti-town in Storm's End).

If he flips scum: Neb and SCK are cleared (based on Mr. X result), but is KGB cleared? I don't think we can give a definitive answer to the latter.

If we kill KGB first:

if town: Not conclusive to PCM's guilt, but he would presumably by lynched next.

If scum: Most likely clears PCM, but leaves the Storm's End anti-town in question.

I think we learn the most by killing PCM first based on this. I'd rather KGB day kill asap, but he wont' because under the scenarios I've outlined above, it still appears that we would lynch KGB. If PCM is daykilled now and flips scum, then I don't see a great backup plan and it doesn't clear KGB in my mind.

fp'd

by **MudPuppy** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:05 am

I'm gonna vote for pcm. Between the timing and results (pretender = town) of his claim, it just doesn't make sense to me.

fp'd by Epitaph

by **pancakemix** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:32 am

can you explain why there was no mention of a mafia check on neb until day 4?

I've said this already, bur here we go: short answer is I didn't want to out myself. Then I got chicken and didn't think I'd be able to survive long enough to make a case.

kgb007 wrote:I'd rather see PCM lynched then potentially waste my vig on an insane cop. AOG seems to be pushing about the maximum amount of blood shed. that makes me suspicious. PCM imploring me to kill him makes me think he's insane whether he wants to believe it himself so I'll actually vote AOG

Yeeaah, you don't have a daykill. Die, scum.

I tried to ask this too, but all PCM could muster was that I was terrible at this...

1. As I said, I stated this stuff already. That Day 4 post was the first opportunity I had to go after Neb (and it met with a thud, hence why I felt I wouldn't be able to build a case). PLEASE. READ.
2. Your rationale is some bizarre bullshit that I got angry at Neb? Yes, you are terrible at this.

I'm gonna vote for pcm. Between the timing and results (pretender = town) of his claim, it just doesn't make sense to me.

You've read the first book. You know my point is true. Anyone with flavor knowledge can't deny the connection, and I wouldn't be dumb enough to make up such a brazen claim with that kind of caveat.

Also, you guys don't have to chastise me any more over WHEN I claimed. I know it's off. I know I should have claimed during the day. I don't have an answer except that I hesitated and I shouldn't have. There's nothing I can do about that.

But now we've found another scum, and he's showing his true colors. I don't care if you want me dead, but if you do, kgb shooting me is your best course.

by **pancakemix** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:39 am

1. As I said, I stated this stuff already. That Day 4 post was the first opportunity I had to go after Neb (and it met with a thud, hence why I felt I wouldn't be able to build a case). PLEASE. READ.
2. Your rationale is some bizarre bullshit that I got angry at Neb? Yes, you are terrible at this.

I shouldn't be this rude. I apologize. I just get frustrated when I've explained everything and people call it a hole in my argument.

by **legionnare** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:45 am

It's probably too late in the day to have a new target for lynch but something to keep in mind for tomorrow, here I go:
I got some clarification from the MOD about my resilience/bulletproof. It counts as an ability so uses .5 life. For example I started the game with 2 life, if an attempt was made to kill me I would have survived but lost .5 life and no longer be resilient.
Taking this into account, I have used my abilities 3 times, so have .5 life left. Robik claims to have taken a shot at me, which would have killed me seeing as I would have resisted it but lost the last .5 of life instead.
Either Robik is lying or someone protected me/redirected the attempt.

by **legionnare** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:46 am

As for today's lynch I am undecided, I believe both may telling the truth and there is some manipulation of the facts from the mafia in this.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:48 am

If someone protected Legion, you kinda need to out because people are voting for him to get the .5 life in Braavos over me, which could potentially be fucking disastrous.

by **legionnare** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:55 am

Or you are lying and are actually the scum in the city and giving you the extra life would be disastrous.
If someone did protect me don't step forward you'll just paint a big target on your back.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:02 pm

Actually, it's pretty safe to come out if you're medic. I can redirect all night actions taken onto you onto someone else. So if you keep saving me, I can keep saving you and we auto-win.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:06 pm

SCK, if you RB me, you're going to feel the wrath of 1000 suns.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:10 pm

Have fun explaining your vote to everyone Legion. You're so fucked it's unreal. You're either the worst player of all time or you're mafia.

by **IAmRobik** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:10 pm

Also, have fun "tracking" me tonight as I shoot you in the fucking face

by **MudPuppy** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:20 pm

IAmRobik wrote:Also, have fun "tracking" me tonight as I shoot you in the fucking face

So, you're planning to shoot the guy most in Braavos have indicated they wish to give the +0.5 life to?!?!?

by **legionnare** on Tue Jul 15, 2014 12:23 pm

@Robik so you get caught out and you're response is immediate aggression?
And who said I would be tracking you?

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