Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[jwiedlin]

2nd post. I am not muted in any way.

[Army of GOD]

Here is pcm's claim

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

N1. Checked Neb -> mafia
N2. Checked Robik -> Roleblocked/no result
N3. Checked Pretender -> town (confirmed when pretender was lynched)
N4. Checked kgb -> mafia

[IAmRobik]

The n3 check is really really fucking weird.

[pancakemix]

I'd like to see a lynch from storm's end since we have the best ratios there for catching mafia, but I would be willing to hear a case for a lynch from braavos as well

You mean like a cop result? Because... yeah

I'm leaning towards PCM as scum. Bunnies back's Neb's claim, and both neb and kgb deny PCM's claims.

oh god THE LOGIC

PCM, can you post your investigations for all 4 nights? I'd like to see this all in one place before a final decision is made on a daykill or lynch of PCM.

I did that already, please read. Bunnies, you might be right on this one.

2nd post. I am not muted in any way.

WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS PLEASE READ

[pancakemix]

The n3 check is really really fucking weird.

In what way?

[IAmRobik]

The n3 check is really really fucking weird.

In what way?

Cause it says he's a Baratheon in his role pm. It also says he will show up as a red check. It also says he's town.

It debunks any consideration of you being a paranoid cop.
You MIGHT be insane cop, but I don't know what type of logical progression would need to take place in order to get a green on Joffrey there.
In conjunction with Neb claiming Jaime, none of this makes sense to me.

[27ninjabunnies]

Here is pcm's claim

I am Tywin Lannister. I can use my wealth to learn someone's alignment, but there's a catch: Other Lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment. I investigated Neb N1 to see if there was someone I could trust in Storm's End. Turns out he's anti town. I checked Jak/Robik N2 and was roleblocked. With the roleblocks out now, I'm thouroughly confused. My guess is that Robik can't be checked, like Zivel. N3 I got a town result on Pretender (and I hinted at this during the day). I knew either he or Neb was Joffrey (in case you didn't piece it together the throne was in Storm's End) but I didn't know if Joffrey was a "Lannister" or not. Based on my result N3, I take it he was.

N1. Checked Neb -> mafia
N2. Checked Robik -> Roleblocked/no result
N3. Checked Pretender -> town (confirmed when pretender was lynched)
N4. Checked kgb -> mafia

"Other lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment".

Yet he got a red on Neb? Who is Jamie Lannister?

That makes no sense.

[pancakemix]

The n3 check is really really fucking weird.

In what way?

Cause it says he's a Baratheon in his role pm. It also says he will show up as a red check. It also says he's town.

It debunks any consideration of you being a paranoid cop.
You MIGHT be insane cop, but I don't know what type of logical progression would need to take place in order to get a green on Joffrey there.
In conjunction with Neb claiming Jaime, none of this makes sense to me.

My only reasoning for this is flavor. He's a Baratheon, but he's my grandson. That makes him a Lannister, hence I'd get a town result.

"Other lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment".

Yet he got a red on Neb? Who is Jamie Lannister?

That makes no sense.

DOES ANYONE READ?

The possibilities are:

1. He (and by extension you) are lying.
2. I was somehow redirected.

[kgb007]

You should really read your own.

That's fine but you still didn't answer my question. So I'll ask again how did I assume you already knew neb or my role?

I haven't shot him bc if I'm wrong and he is a cop then I'm toast too and Iike it's already been stated, we're down two townies. I AM TOWN. Everyone should please state whether I should day kill PCM that way everyone can note who pushes for me to kill PCM if I'm wrong. I'm hesitant to follow through since I'll obviously be the next to go by lynch and we're potentially giving my vig power up to scum, at this point I'd rather be lynched and fall on my sword if keeps our ranks stronger.

Legion has a pretty good idea in our QT to track me if we vote to give him the .5 health. He can then ask me to confirm who I visited tmw.

Again everyone (except Sw) obviously please state whether you'd like me to day kill PCM so it's all on the table and then I'll decide what to do. Ideally I'd rather see him lynched and to whoever might wonder why I haven't killed AOG since I've been pretty up front about my read on him. First I'll say I've been wrong about charm and zivel's alignment. Second we've barely heard any game talk from him. I'd prefer to hear claims before just firing off blindly (like jak) sorry just had to if you're reading this jak

[kgb007]

Something just doesn't make sense with the result on pretender though. You're basically saying that your role flavor wins out over his and maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I'm really going back and forth on this insane thing. If you're convinced PCM is telling the truth then neb and bunnies are dead too. Just seems like your pushing for a lot of deaths to inch closer to an end game scenario

[jwiedlin]

PCM claim's to have found neb mafia in night 1, yet I didn't see him trying to convince anyone of this fact in subsequent posts. The first time I found him mentioning Neb was on Day four (Friday July 11). At that point, PCM became angry @ Neb because Neb questioned his inactivity. So if PCM is our cop, he is one that has not been contributing.

## vote PCM

@ kgb, I'm in favor of shooting PCM, but I'd like to open it to more discussion first in case we are missing anything.

[Army of GOD]

The n3 check is really really fucking weird.

In what way?

Cause it says he's a Baratheon in his role pm. It also says he will show up as a red check. It also says he's town.

It debunks any consideration of you being a paranoid cop.
You MIGHT be insane cop, but I don't know what type of logical progression would need to take place in order to get a green on Joffrey there.
In conjunction with Neb claiming Jaime, none of this makes sense to me.

My only reasoning for this is flavor. He's a Baratheon, but he's my grandson. That makes him a Lannister, hence I'd get a town result.

"Other lannisters will return as town regardless of alignment".

Yet he got a red on Neb? Who is Jamie Lannister?

That makes no sense.

DOES ANYONE READ?

The possibilities are:

1. Neb (and by extension you) are lying.
2. pcm was somehow redirected.
3. pcm is lying.

fixed

[pancakemix]

That's fine but you still didn't answer my question. So I'll ask again how did I assume you already knew neb or my role?

...

I'm willing to bet that PCM is scum given the errored N1 results, his accusation against Neb and claims from Neb/bunnies. Not to mention the WRONG result on me. That post reeks of desperation from scum as trying to eliminate any players with killing abilities not marked scum. I don't expect to live through tonight myself now that I've given my role, double voting could be huge for us as it could stop mafia from end gaming us in a lynch..

This is your argument. Please read it, then read it again because I'm tired of people not reading. According to it, I'm trying to pick off people who have killing roles. Yes?

That post reeks of desperation from scum as trying to eliminate any players with killing abilities not marked scum.

That's what this says?

Okay. Yes. That's what it says. Here are, again, the problems with that:

1. I had no way of knowing Neb had a KP.
2. I had no way of knowing you had a KP.
3. I would have gone for Robik, who I knew had a KP.

Did we read this? Yes? Good.

I haven't shot him bc if I'm wrong and he is a cop then I'm toast too and Iike it's already been stated, we're down two townies.

Or maybe it's because I found you out?

I AM TOWN.

THE LOGIC

Everyone should please state whether I should day kill PCM that way everyone can note who pushes for me to kill PCM if I'm wrong.

I vote you kill me.

I'm hesitant to follow through since I'll obviously be the next to go by lynch and we're potentially giving my vig power up to scum

...obviously. You seem so sure.

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Except I'm not lying though, so...

PCM claim's to have found neb mafia in night 1, yet I didn't see him trying to convince anyone of this fact in subsequent posts. The first time I found him mentioning Neb was on Day four (Friday July 11). At that point, PCM became angry @ Neb because Neb questioned his inactivity. So if PCM is our cop, he is one that has not been contributing.

## vote PCM

@ kgb, I'm in favor of shooting PCM, but I'd like to open it to more discussion first in case we are missing anything.

You are terrible at this. You are having a freakout because of my claim and are looking for everything in your power to keep me away from you.

Please lynch jwied after I'm gone.

[27ninjabunnies]

I read.
Points: AOG summed up pretty nicely.

3. You could be lying about your claim.

If you aren't lying about your claim, then the only possibility is that 2. You were redirected.

Now, we had a bus driver, mtamburini on the mafia side.

But he said he bussed JAK and betiko?

Of course he could have been lying and redirected pcm's check.

However, Boone, is also having her checks redirected. So it's possible that we have more than one redirector.

fp by pcm-totally up for a jweid lynch.

[pancakemix]

Also, for the record, I wil not rule out that Neb is town, but I would be unable to prove it if his claim is true. That doesn't mean he's not scum if he is Jaime, though. Food for thought.

FP'd bunnies: Pretender was also alive, so that increases that possibility. If boone is still being redirected, that means there may be a third? Unless there's something boone isn't telling us...

[Army of GOD]

I say shoot pcm.

[SiriusCowKing]

I think PCM either lied or messed up in his claim, ##vote cancakemaker. If it's not him then it's neb, and I can prove that I am a roleblocker, and thus logically proving that I am town. I already know who I will roleblock tonight, but I will not tell in case the mafia decides to kill my target. Tomorrow I will out who I roleblocked, if my target refuse to confirm it will prove that he is a mafia (trying to incriminate me).

[SiriusCowKing]

oh, it's pancakemix, not maker, lol

[Army of GOD]

Submitted the post too soon. Here's my reasoning:

I stated two possibilities of shooting pcm above (either pcm is town and kgb is scum or pcm is scum and kgb is town). I guess a third possibility is the throne holder bused kgb with scum but I think that's pretty unlikely.

So essentially we should learn about at least 1 scum if pcm is killed. And honestly, if pcm is town, I'm not sure if he'll survive the night anyway.

[pancakemix]

I need to get out of here because this has put me in a mood (if you couldn't tell) but I totally agree with AoG's reasoning. If kgb hasn't shot me, call his bluff and lynch him.

[Army of GOD]

I'll put my vote on kgb now anyway.

##vote kgb007

[IAmRobik]

I see one detriment to outing role names at this point, but for the most part, I'd like to get them out sooner than later so that Boone can verify that people are not lying.

[Army of GOD]

oh and the longer you wait to kill pcm, the less time we'll have to change our votes to not lynch you if you're right, so you're just screwing yourself there kgb.

[legionnare]

I see one detriment to outing role names at this point, but for the most part, I'd like to get them out sooner than later so that Boone can verify that people are not lying.

Or to make sure that Boone is not lying but I'm up for that. Boone tell us the names of myself and Betiko and we can confirm.

@KGB as for my idea in the QT I can only track at night, which may be too late. I say take a shot now to prove someone's claim and your own.

[IAmRobik]

So, I just had a random thought -- what if PCM checks himself tonight and reports back to us and we lynch outside of PCM/KGB