Cyborgs Mafia - Endgame - Hail the Shiny Golden Overlord

[spiesr]

Things that could be:

• Pancakemix is lying about his kill attempt on Jak. Can't rule this out, but it seems unlikely as I don't see what advantage it would be for any alignment.
• Jak is telling the truth.
• Jak is lying but bulletproof.

I agree that Jak's claim is really weird and I don't fully trust it at this point. Some details just don't add up in my opinion. (For starters there are too many.) The 3-shot stipulation seems pointless in a game this size. The chances of him getting hit by more than 3 kill attempts before the game ends seems so low as to lead me to question why it wouldn't just be unlimited. Additionally, not knowing what powers the scum may have, it looks overpowered, with the bullet-proof and potential to kill his attacker applying to both kills at him and his target. In fact seriously question how the scum could even deal with that unless that have some power specifically to counter it.
Right now I am not completely convinced that lynching Jak would be the right thing to do, but I am leaning towards it.

On a different note, I am going to be out of town this week. I should still be able to check in, but my activity will likely be reduced.

[jak111]

Yep, PCM definitely possible Mafia Sniper or terrible town Deputy. You wasted a vest PCM. So play along. That's not even a terrible play thing to ask, the terrible play is you taking a shot at a town bodyguard and then ignoring the fact that my claim is proven with me still standing.

As I see it, you feel cornered. Even though it's me voting for you, something is worrying you probably from the list of six that I wanted you to put down to four. It's not that difficult of a task as a townie. Just take out yourself and the towniest read on the list. But as a mafia you're worried about taking out your own scum buddy and risking the buddying there or taking out an actual townie and leaving 2 mafia left in a list of 4.

You do know that even though I have been shot once, you're going higher and higher on my scum radar.

I will Unvote because there is an easy way around this. I keep Charm alive, she either clears/finds guilty in the list. Once she clears two I am pretty confident the remainder is scum so any town vig could have a field day picking them off.

You can either play ball or not and amuse me PCM. But between my protection of Charm and immunity to being killed for at least 2 more shots, I can promise Charm gets 3 more investigations at the bare minimum.

If Spiesr is able to block any potential shooter, then we'd have even more nights.

FP'd by Spiesr. Speak of the devil and he shall answer swiftly. LOL.

I can count 3 saves why it would be useful. But even then I considered if I outed Day 1 would I be easily killed off without the cop having at least one investigation in. I imagine there's a "ninja" type role (on Epic Mafia Ninja's can kill a bomb without being killed) or a role to mess with my role or the cop's results.

Also to your first point, this is just me speaking from my crazy scheme view point. If PCM and I were both mafia, I could claim 3-shot BP, he'd say he "shot" me and no one would think otherwise. Or we could do it as masons/lovers/etc. Anything where surviving longer is better.

(Although that is not the case, PCM and I are not on any team together, I can't wait for the cop to bring back guilty on him one of these nights).

[Iron Butterfly]

You have just stated that you attempted a day kill on Jak, I assume to prove he was lying. You need to claim then. You outed yourself with no need to if you are Town.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Interesting claim from jak... seems pretty overpowered of a role, a basically unkillable doctor who can shoot back. 3-BP isn't completely invulnerable... but I doubt any mafia is going to waste that many kills to take you out when they could kill 1/3 of the players instead (besides the fact that on average 2 mafia would die while trying). Since the day is two weeks long though, I will unvote for now, but unless we find more suspicious scum somewhere, I will probably come back to voting for jak since I don't really believe that claim.

Other than jak, the person I find most suspicious right now is neb... he has been very quiet all game, especially day 2. His only posts so far in day 2 were to say the cop didn't investigate the right people... and then somehow was mad at himself and had to "get back into this game"... but hasn't posted since then, 2 days ago, although he did post a few times in the GoT mafia yesterday, so he was on the site active. On day 1 he posted mostly 1 liners but didn't say too much... I don't see him voting between his joke vote and him voting no-lynch just before day end. He was "suspicious" of charm, but didn't actually vote her... maybe he didn't want to join the bandwagon and mislynch someone he knew was town, but just wanted to convince others to do it for him? Overall, this play seems very suspicious to me... so I will vote Neb

I think HotShot is right on with Neb. I'm seriously considering changing my vote to Neb. Don't want you all saying I'm getting on his bandwagon until I do a little more investigation. Also, Hotshots vote did not make the count on Neb.

Well,I can't blame either of you for jumping on me...it's an easy case to bring up. My defense is....derp. I will post a big long post later tonight...have to take a kid to camp today.

For short...jak.s role is crazy. He's basically claiming doc, vig, bodyguard all in one. So either he is lying, or mafia is stacked with power to counter that.

Iron is town. Charm is town. The rest of you are question marks.

More later.

[pancakemix]

You can either play ball or not and amuse me PCM

This. This is what I'm talking about. It "amuses" you? What the f*ck is your problem? This isn't even game-related now, you're just acting like a jackass.

You have just stated that you attempted a day kill on Jak, I assume to prove he was lying. You need to claim then. You outed yourself with no need to if you are Town.

No need? I was damn sure he was scum. So did you. I still am.

I am Dostya, Town Vig. I can send in a kill at any point.

Additionally, not knowing what powers the scum may have, it looks overpowered, with the bullet-proof and potential to kill his attacker applying to both kills at him and his target. In fact seriously question how the scum could even deal with that unless that have some power specifically to counter it.

This is exactly my point. And especially in a 12 player game, it's absurd.

I reeaally don't have the patience for another Village of Secrets guys...

[jak111]

For short...jak.s role is crazy. He's basically claiming doc, vig, bodyguard all in one. So either he is lying, or mafia is stacked with power to counter that.

Iron is town. Charm is town. The rest of you are question marks.

More later.

You do realise being able to kill the attacker is PART of a body-guard role, correct? Body-guards are basically doctors with the dangerous chance of killing the attacker, I just so happen to get a 3-shot self protection with that.

Also, by PCM's last post he seems to want me dead either by wearing away at my BP's or lynching me.

Yes, amuse me. Play my little deduction game and let me see if I am right of who you will deduct from the list.

[jak111]

2. jak111 ~ 3 Shot BP Bodyguard
3. Iron Butterfly ~ Innocent as of cop's report.
4. pancakemix ~ Town Vig (Can kill once a cycle but any phase?)
5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
9. charm ~ Town Cop
10.TA1LGUNN3R
11. Nebuchadnezer
12. spiesr ~ Town Roleblocker

Currently we have 4 claims on the table with 1 innocent. I feel like Tails and Mtam are definitely not a mafia duo, but one of them is most likely mafia with me leaning towards Mtam being it with my more townie read on Tails and scum read on Mtam.

Unless PCM is counter claimed, that and he didn't kill the cop yesterday, I must believe it.. to an extent for now. Either way with the help of town I am sure he can be pressured into using his ability to help town instead of constantly wasting it on me.

5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
10.TA1LGUNN3R
11. Nebuchadnezer

^ Unclaimed/uninvestigated.

Tonight, Charm will investigate one of these, I will protect her, spiesr, hopefully you believe me enough to block one of these 6 (I think Tails is town, but it's up to you tonight to hopefully stop a kill attempt completely). You probably know at least one person from this list hopefully that you don't need to block, keep that to yourself and pick someone else in hopes of stopping a mafia kill.

IB, I am not sure what you can do, but if it's investigative, it may be good to have you check one of these 6 out. If you're a watcher maybe watch Spiesr to give him somewhat protection (if he dies, we nail a scum at least).

That investigative thing goes for any townies among the list as well. Even if one scum is among the claimed/investigated, I believe there is at least 2 in the unclaimed/uninvestigated at this moment.

PCM, if you will play ball with this plan, tomorrow if Charm gets a guilty, obviously shoot the guilty. But if she gets an innocent take a pot shot perhaps at the scummiest player in the list?

Does anyone have a problem with this plan? Cop looks into a person, roleblocker blocks a person, if there's a watcher, be on Spiesr, PCM kills any guilties tomorrow (in case the day kill was a bluff this would ALSO prove that) and yeah. I think we got this one almost in the bag if it goes right. I just can't shake the feeling there's a busdriver that is going to screw with results.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I will VOTE JAK. He was excessively defensive of what seemed to me a non-issue. With this I mean that if someone calls your reasoning shitty then you should adjust your strategy or prove why it wasn't shitty. I don't feel he did either, and now he's just being truculent.

The claim sounds bogus to me. For all we know, he could be the GF with a one-shot bp ability. This three-shot bp claim sounds like a ruse to deter future shots from a vig.

You do realise being able to kill the attacker is PART of a body-guard role, correct? Body-guards are basically doctors with the dangerous chance of killing the attacker, I just so happen to get a 3-shot self protection with that.

Actually, a true bodyguard dies in lieu of their target and they don't kill the attacker. What you described is a suped up bodyguard. I don't know if there's a name for it, other than enhanced bodyguard.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

For short...jak.s role is crazy. He's basically claiming doc, vig, bodyguard all in one. So either he is lying, or mafia is stacked with power to counter that.

Iron is town. Charm is town. The rest of you are question marks.

More later.

You do realise being able to kill the attacker is PART of a body-guard role, correct? Body-guards are basically doctors with the dangerous chance of killing the attacker, I just so happen to get a 3-shot self protection with that.

Also, by PCM's last post he seems to want me dead either by wearing away at my BP's or lynching me.

Yes, amuse me. Play my little deduction game and let me see if I am right of who you will deduct from the list.

Actually not true. I was just killed as a Bodyguard so I know first hand. It really is at the discretion of the mod. A bodyguard is usually but not always a meat shield to protect PRs. Its basically a VT that can take a bullet for someone else. Sometimes they may have a backlash effect.

You do seem over powered for a 12 player game. I say seem because if you are telling the truth I would think mafia would have something to counter. There is also the possibility there is no Doc and Jak may be it. Speculation on my part.

But I digress...Jak stop saying shit that is not true.

[jak111]

Actually not true. I was just killed as a Bodyguard so I know first hand. It really is at the discretion of the mod.

But I digress...Jak stop saying shit that is not true.

https://epicmafia.com/role/121

Just saying, I'm not making shit up. To reduce/add power to the role is the mod's choice, that is why I think mafia has some good PR's like a busdriver or something.

[pancakemix]

*Jak forgets that he's the only one that plays on EM and give himself away for a role that only he would think of

[jak111]

*Jak forgets that he's the only one that plays on EM and give himself away for a role that only he would think of

Think about the character that I mean, think about it real hard. Because what else would I be as him? Terminator 2 pretty much defines my character.

[jak111]

To quote Arnold...

[pancakemix]

*Jak forgets that he's the only one that plays on EM and give himself away for a role that only he would think of

Think about the character that I mean, think about it real hard. Because what else would I be as him? Terminator 2 pretty much defines my character.

And you thought too hard because you made it an obvious fake.

*Jak then posts a clip in which his character is an assassin

[pancakemix]

*Jak forgets that he's the only one that plays on EM and give himself away for a role that only he would think of

Think about the character that I mean, think about it real hard. Because what else would I be as him? Terminator 2 pretty much defines my character.

And you thought too hard because you made it an obvious fake.

*Jak then posts a clip in which his character is an assassin

^^Who, by the way, was really hard to kill in that movie too.

[jak111]

The main focus on my role is stemming from Terminator 2 and 3. Where he is a bodyguard. Only in ONE movie was he an assassin. It is not that he was hard to kill, it's that he kept getting sent back to protect a certain person.

I think the reason for 3-shot BP is because he's "back" 3 times after the first "death". A bit of flavour to his character.

[pancakemix]

The main focus on my role is stemming from Terminator 2 and 3. Where he is a bodyguard. Only in ONE movie was he an assassin. It is not that he was hard to kill, it's that he kept getting sent back to protect a certain person.

I think the reason for 3-shot BP is because he's "back" 3 times after the first "death". A bit of flavour to his character.

And I'll say it again: You. Put. Way. Too. Much. Though. Into. This.

Flavor doesn't matter here if it makes terrible gameplay.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The main focus on my role is stemming from Terminator 2 and 3. Where he is a bodyguard. Only in ONE movie was he an assassin. It is not that he was hard to kill, it's that he kept getting sent back to protect a certain person.

I think the reason for 3-shot BP is because he's "back" 3 times after the first "death". A bit of flavour to his character.

And I'll say it again: You. Put. Way. Too. Much. Though. Into. This.

Flavor doesn't matter here if it makes terrible gameplay.

And besides, flavor detail is exactly the kind of argument one would make if one cooked up a fake claim.

-Tails

[Zivel]

Sorry guys, I was away for the weekend. Have been checking up but have not been able to get to a computer to put my thoughts down till now.

Lets start with Jak:

I like this post from Jak, but leading up to it has been a disaster that only gets a slight reprieve because it is Jak and Jak is crazy.

2. jak111 ~ 3 Shot BP Bodyguard
3. Iron Butterfly ~ Innocent as of cop's report.
4. pancakemix ~ Town Vig (Can kill once a cycle but any phase?)
5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
9. charm ~ Town Cop
10.TA1LGUNN3R
11. Nebuchadnezer
12. spiesr ~ Town Roleblocker

Currently we have 4 claims on the table with 1 innocent. I feel like Tails and Mtam are definitely not a mafia duo, but one of them is most likely mafia with me leaning towards Mtam being it with my more townie read on Tails and scum read on Mtam.

Unless PCM is counter claimed, that and he didn't kill the cop yesterday, I must believe it.. to an extent for now. Either way with the help of town I am sure he can be pressured into using his ability to help town instead of constantly wasting it on me.

5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
10.TA1LGUNN3R
11. Nebuchadnezer

^ Unclaimed/uninvestigated.

Tonight, Charm will investigate one of these, I will protect her, spiesr, hopefully you believe me enough to block one of these 6 (I think Tails is town, but it's up to you tonight to hopefully stop a kill attempt completely). You probably know at least one person from this list hopefully that you don't need to block, keep that to yourself and pick someone else in hopes of stopping a mafia kill.

IB, I am not sure what you can do, but if it's investigative, it may be good to have you check one of these 6 out. If you're a watcher maybe watch Spiesr to give him somewhat protection (if he dies, we nail a scum at least).

That investigative thing goes for any townies among the list as well. Even if one scum is among the claimed/investigated, I believe there is at least 2 in the unclaimed/uninvestigated at this moment.

PCM, if you will play ball with this plan, tomorrow if Charm gets a guilty, obviously shoot the guilty. But if she gets an innocent take a pot shot perhaps at the scummiest player in the list?

Does anyone have a problem with this plan? Cop looks into a person, roleblocker blocks a person, if there's a watcher, be on Spiesr, PCM kills any guilties tomorrow (in case the day kill was a bluff this would ALSO prove that) and yeah. I think we got this one almost in the bag if it goes right. I just can't shake the feeling there's a busdriver that is going to screw with results.

This is the worst case I have read I think...

Oh, before I forget. The reason why PCM, is because it's Jonty who died. He's a quiet vet but he's still efficient. Unless a newbie team randomly picked him off, for strategy reasons I think a vet team would take him out before he can go past looking at Mtam, if it's not a vet team, Mtam would have reason to pick off a vet before he can dig his claws in.

So with that being said, right now my pressure is on Mtam with my eyes on other vets for a reason why they'd want Jonty dead from all that was said yesterday.

Scum post.

*Tick* *Tock*

Oh no, I'm going to die.. help..

I really suggest you start that list for me. Because if I don't have it by tomorrow morning when I'm still standing I'm considering you a Mafia Sniper and going for your head at your weak PR kill attempt.

The problem here is that Jak does that in every game it seems, so it is hard to tell when to pursue it.

This is the only reason he is not getting my vote yet and I am happy to vote latter in the day if needed for a lynch. The claim I couldnt care less about, I could easily see him lying and making up a claim like that, I think that him lying and making a claim like that is more plausible than the mod putting in a role such as what he claimed.

Things that could be:

• Pancakemix is lying about his kill attempt on Jak. Can't rule this out, but it seems unlikely as I don't see what advantage it would be for any alignment.
• Jak is telling the truth.
• Jak is lying but bulletproof.

PCM aint lying, there is no point in him lying about it. Jak is bulletproof, how bulletproof?

The back and forth, as much as it is interesting to read doesnt surprise me, PCM is smart and Jak makes some dumb comments. Like I have said, if it was not Jak I would vote him off in heart beat. I am more on the PCM side as the argument is actually logical and no straight out threats.

[Zivel]

I investigated Iron Butterfly and all I got back was that he is innocent!

Sigh.... Investigate the ones you think are scum! Tails or Mtam! Sigh.....

I am inclined to think that charm is playing what she usually does, random ideas that hint at more but don't actually give anything away. But this comes across as scum, a townie would be a little more direct. Someone once said don't lie as town, it never helps. But not telling the full truth is as good as lying.

Not sure what you wanted explained but this is my third game with charm, plus one I have read that I didnt play in. I have a pretty good feeling for how charm plays. Unpredictable is the word I would use.

I thought Mtams gambit at the end of day one was shit but I am bias on that as it was aimed at me. Otherwise I stand by my read of him as town.
Jak is scum, or bad town. Either would not surprise me.
If Jak is scum then PCM is town obviously, so I think PCM is town. But if my sneaking suspicion on Jak is right that he is just playing his meta then PCM could be scum knowing that Jak is an easy target.
Hotshot pointing out Nebs inactivity is interesting as he is around, just not posting in this game.
Charm is town and therefore so is Iron Butterfly.
The rest I am null on.

[jak111]

"Jak is playing Jak".

I think a part of this is no one wants to believe how simple this game can be. I've already been bloody shot, do I really need to be shot again and have it easier for scum to pick me off to prove it? If I was shot last night I only have one vest left, if there's a serial killer and mafia team that shoot Charm/me tonight, I'm dead. (I seem to be not getting any pm's when I get hit so I am not sure how many vests I have left at the moment).

I make a reasonable simple demand of PCM to take out the towniest player from a list of 6. He instead shoots me and claims I'm scum still while still avoiding something that should be simple as a townie. Yet you believe I've been playing scummy?

Do tell me how that works. I'm trying to scum hunt using one of my methods and can't even get the first guy to cooperate since I left him on the list. Instead of getting help to get him to cooperate and help move along the day, I am now being pointed to as scummy. But before that no one pointed their fingers my way (besides Mtam who OMGUS voted).

So, mark my words now, the next game I'm in I will push 0 cases whichever faction I am aligned with, because my method of scum hunting is "scummy" to even attempt something and expect a "town" player to play along to help find scum.

[virus90]

question for PCM did you attempt anything N1 since you can should anytime if i understand correctly?
and why did you choose to do nothing or target someone during the night?

[spiesr]

You do realise being able to kill the attacker is PART of a body-guard role, correct? Body-guards are basically doctors with the dangerous chance of killing the attacker, I just so happen to get a 3-shot self protection with that.

It is relatively common upgraded version of the Bodyguard role, not exactly a default ability. In my experience it is usually given a distinguishing name, like Elite Bodyguard, when such an upgrade is present.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Here are my notes:

D1
Votes:

Spiesr wagon – Jak, pancake, Hotshot, Neb
Mtam – Zivel
Tails – Jak
Charm – Pancake, Jonty, Hotshot, Jak, Tails,


Tails – Got very snarky when pushed for activity. States that Charm could still be scum after claiming cop. He unvotes, but why state she could be scum?

Spiesr goes for Hotshot, since he was on the Spiesr bandwagon.

Zivel asks for a policy lynch. Gives a summary of day one reads…brings up policy lynching again and votes Virus.

MTam came in with a whirlwind of intimidation. Tries to buddy up with Charm. (Which she takes hook line and sinker!) Further buddying with Charm. Weird day cop comment to Zivel…then votes for him?

Jak votes Tails and continues to comment on his inactivity even when Tails comes in. Gives a statistical analysis of our odds.

Charm – buddies up with Mtam

Hotshot plays it safe on voting again. Votes Charm eventually. Votes Tails at the end of the D1.

Pancake buddies Tails stating his play is typical for D1. Pushes charm, defends Tails. Makes a big case on Charm…very convincing given Charm’s play. Distances himself from Tails when pushed. Votes Virus at end of D1. More defending Tails.

Virus votes Hotshot at end of D1…why?

Jonty – He got killed? And he was a town lyncher? No big loss there.


D2

Votes:
Tails – Charm
Virus - pancake
Neb – Spiesr
Jak – Mtam, Pancake, Tails

Hotshot takes a potshot at Tails for activity. Starts case on me for inactivity.

Tails – calls Jonty’s role into question…why? Edoc specifically stated that roles and alignment are separate. Please don’t meta roles…

Jak – votes Mtam and FOSs Pancake and Myself…because he thinks we would kill Jonty? Pushes Mtam some more. Then mentions Pancake again for killing Jonty…what happened to me? But still votes Mtam? Argues that Mtam didn’t make a case on him, when he clearly did. Gives doped up claim. OMGUS vote on Pancake. Proceeds to direct town actions.

Iron – makes a very good post on Jak, Zivel and Pancake. Picks up on Jak’s unvote D1…good analysis.

Pancake – votes Virus. Unvotes and gets onto Jak. He and Mtam are making a good push. Buddies Tails again. Puts a daykill in on Jak. Good test of BP ability.

Mtam tries to throw suspicion my way for my question of Charm’s investigation. Makes a case on Jak. Easy case to make.

Virus sites Jak’s previously claiming crazy role.

Spiesr doesn’t like Jak’s claim…it’s overpowered.


So...reads?

Town
Iron Butterfly – cleared, duh.
Charm – cop.

Probably town
Spiesr – did not block charm.

Could go scum
Zivel
Hotshot
Virus90
Tails

Scummier
Pancake-claiming Vig out of nowhere? You know better...kill him first...then claim. Goodness.
Mtam – his aggressive playstyle doesn’t sit well with me.
Jak111 – Do I really need to note here?

Now, I do think Jak and his weird posting gets him in trouble. I am not going to vote him, but will keep his actions on my radar. Mtam would be better for my vote at this point. His aggressive play seems like he’s just in everyone’s face so that they are afraid to ever question him.

Vote Mtamburini

[mtamburini]

Busy irl haven't read much. Well post when I have time.

Just some things I've been thinking about tails is probably town and the people trying to paint a picture tha there's a mafia in between us is 100% wrong on me and with my belief of tails probably being town are just trying to get 2ml to bring the game closer to a mafia win.

My final words. I'm town. Why would I lie!!!