Cyborgs Mafia - Endgame - Hail the Shiny Golden Overlord

[pancakemix]

Ugh, okay here we go...

A losing argument? You're making my scum radar ping, that is not an argument, that is just stating fact. To continue on something I said in a brief sentence with no real indicator of me pursuing any case is odd. You're a vet, if you were Mtam, I'd think you were in a position feeling like you're a cornered lab rat lashing out. But since you're not Mtam I am puzzling over the significance to you whether I suspect you more or not. If you're town, there'd be nothing to fear, but if you aren't town, then my nose is sniffing a rat and that rat is drawing more attention to its self. (Yes, I just used rat as a scum metaphor)

No, you misrepresent my meaning. You argue that my response to your slight suspicion is scummy. If you state a suspicion, I'm going to ask you why you're suspicious. If that reason blows, I'm going to tell you so. You think this is some big tell, but when I show it isn't, your immediate reaction is that you want to know what I think of mtam. I only gave you that inch to appease you, but even then I knew you were going to try to take a mile.

You're agreeing with what Mtam's current line of reasoning? There's two things wrong with that alone.

• What reason? Does this sentence?
• I am getting scummier by the minute? By putting some of my focus on you besides just on Mtam? No, because you're spouting nonsense and calling it a lead.

Seriously, "scummier by the minute". Pointing out Mtam's OMGUS vote and pointing out your lack of any REAL response to Mtam? Even in your reply here you don't really directly comment towards Mtam one bit. Just a small admittance to sheeping him a tad. If Mtam was creating cases instead of saying lynch players A or B today (he doesn't bother for a claim or anything, he he bluntly saying lynch A or B no exceptions), then I might agree that you have a point. But as Mtam is not creating a case, your point of "agreeing" with him is invalid unless you are saying we should pick two people randomly and say lynch him or him. Ignore any pressure on others in the game.

I should point out that mtam and I had the same thought at the same time (despite the 3 minute difference on the time stamp. I like to take my time, y'know). The only thing I have to do to "agree" with mtam is to believe that his end is valid. He thinks you're scummy. I believe that as well. I find his end valid. Therefore, I agree with him.

That is 4 people I now lean to be town with excluding myself from my own list (because I am looking for mafia, not playing the be generalizing for everyone else game). That leaves 6 people. 6. That is not a big number to look at.

4. pancakemix
5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
11. Nebuchadnezer

Tell me PCM, put yourself in my shoes here, with the current thought train of 3-4 of these being anti-town (right now I think 3 mafia + 1 third party to be likely). Do the process of elimination and tell me who you'd choose as the most likely to be scum in this list?

We have Mtam, who has been pushing a game like he was some sort of Lyncher role (which he does every game it seems). My META with him shows he does this when he is mafia. With no experience playing with him with him being town.

We have HotShot and Virus, both of whom are pretty quiet, HotShot stepped up and voted for me without really saying how I was being scummy.

We have you and Neb who I suspect slightly because of who died. With my FOS on you slightly increased due to our last few comments.

Then we have Zivel, (who has yet to post much today but yesterday was in favour of lynching D1 and last voted Virus).

So, 6 people I am looking at PCM. Put yourself into my shoes and try to eliminate two from this list please. With reasons why they are town. Once you are finished, if I agree with your reasons, at the bare minimum 3/4 of the remainder should be mafia if you pick out the right townies from the list.

You want me to pick 4 names from a list of 6 including my own name but not yours. Cute. I have no reason to believe your numbers or your setup interpretation. Town Lyncher highly suggests no 3P, so I will not make guesses on a faulty system from which you are somehow exempt.

[Iron Butterfly]

In fact, I ask that Spiesr, Neb and IB also do what I asked PCM to do (but do not post your list of 4 until he has done his).

That way I hear from 2 vets I lean towards town's opinion and 2 vets I lean towards FOS opinions.

We have a long time till deadline so I think this would be a constructive thing to do.

[Iron Butterfly]

Anyhow, roleclaim is HAL 9000 Town Roleblocker.

THAT, is actually a believable claim. (The role, not sure about alignment..)

For now, Unvote before someone quick hammers now that we have a claim.

Gotta liven the activity though on this game.

Ya know what? Scratch my last statement.

part of the problem I have had this game is that at one time or another I have believed almost all of you Town AND Mafia at some point. The night scenes/lynch scenes offer no flavor to work with so we are left with game play and the bull crap factor.

Jak I have played many games with you. You are not a bad player you just have *grin* certain idiosyncrasies. You more then anyone know that mafia would not do a gotcha hammer on day one as that would lead to a certain lynch if Spiesr flipped Town. You could have simply unvoted because you believed the claim instead of acting like you saved the day from a quick voting mafia.

vote Jak

[jak111]

You want me to pick 4 names from a list of 6 including my own name but not yours. Cute. I have no reason to believe your numbers or your setup interpretation. Town Lyncher highly suggests no 3P, so I will not make guesses on a faulty system from which you are somehow exempt.

Yes, I want you to pick four names. I asked 3 others to do the same thing once you post yours. Humour me but take the list serious enough that out of those 6 you pick 4. We know NOTHING about Jonty's role besides its name. It could be that he could cause a lynch to happen at L2 or whatever. Yes, it says Lyncher, but since he is town we don't know how it works or what his power really is. To cancel out any possibility of 3rd party due to one flip is poor deduction and you know it.

Even if there is no 3rd party, at the bare minimum there are 3 mafia. Between 1/4 and 1/3 balancing and all.

Also, yes, I do find your reaction scummy. You say you did not over react but I believe your over reaction stems from your tunnel vision which I am now bringing out into light. Do you deny what I brought up about Mtam with his OMGUS vote? Or do you believe he has a valid reason and it's not just an over reaction of me voting for him?

You did not even read my two points in context. Read the line above and then the points. What reason does Mtam have? His "reads" come from Tails and I voting him. Or does it just so happen that he FOS's two people in his head, they vote him, then he outs his FOS and it just happens to be the two people voting him.

You say you had the same thought as Mtam at the same time. My apologies if I am not picking up on what his "thought" was. To lynch two people that are voting him? That's some deep thinking right there!

But yes PCM, make the list of 4, forget what your POV is from your position. Put your POV in my position with the conditions I provided to guide some of my process of thinking about this. I don't imagine you'll put yourself in the list of 4, I mean why would you? But I want to see the other person you deduct from that list as being town and why.

IB seems to be on board with toying with this idea. Come on PCM, it's not asking you to choose life or death. Just a little game of deduction skills if you were in my shoes at this very moment.

FP'd by IB. Oh come now IB, amuse me with this little deduction game a while longer. If I must claim today, I will do so. But until then I think there can be info scavanged up on this.

Even if I were Mafia this would not be a complete waste for an actual "townie" as PCM and Mtam wish us to believe. If I were Mafia, there'd still be at the bare MINIMUM 2 anti-town among that list of 6. (I can only give you my word for now that I am town and there are in fact a minimum 3 among that list of 6).

[pancakemix]

Also, yes, I do find your reaction scummy. You say you did not over react but I believe your over reaction stems from your tunnel vision which I am now bringing out into light. Do you deny what I brought up about Mtam with his OMGUS vote? Or do you believe he has a valid reason and it's not just an over reaction of me voting for him?

Your reasoning blows. That's what he thinks. I think he's right. You keep saying that people are overreacting but you're the only one writing essays.

But yes PCM, make the list of 4, forget what your POV is from your position. Put your POV in my position with the conditions I provided to guide some of my process of thinking about this. I don't imagine you'll put yourself in the list of 4, I mean why would you? But I want to see the other person you deduct from that list as being town and why

1. That's even worse than demanding a list from MY point of view. I'm not you so I'm not going to make the same reads as you. Even if I were, I'm not going to take the cleared names as fact just yet.

2. 4 reads is a lot, especially when people have been awful quiet. It also to me seems a bit excessive, and isn't how I play anyway. I react to posts and make judgements. With so few posts, it's not even worth the time.

[mtamburini]

A losing argument? You're making my scum radar ping, that is not an argument, that is just stating fact. To continue on something I said in a brief sentence with no real indicator of me pursuing any case is odd. You're a vet, if you were Mtam, I'd think you were in a position feeling like you're a cornered lab rat lashing out. But since you're not Mtam I am puzzling over the significance to you whether I suspect you more or not. If you're town, there'd be nothing to fear, but if you aren't town, then my nose is sniffing a rat and that rat is drawing more attention to its self. (Yes, I just used rat as a scum metaphor)

You're agreeing with what Mtam's current line of reasoning? There's two things wrong with that alone.

• What reason?
• I am getting scummier by the minute? By putting some of my focus on you besides just on Mtam?

Seriously, "scummier by the minute". Pointing out Mtam's OMGUS vote and pointing out your lack of any REAL response to Mtam? Even in your reply here you don't really directly comment towards Mtam one bit. Just a small admittance to sheeping him a tad. If Mtam was creating cases instead of saying lynch players A or B today (he doesn't bother for a claim or anything, he he bluntly saying lynch A or B no exceptions), then I might agree that you have a point. But as Mtam is not creating a case, your point of "agreeing" with him is invalid unless you are saying we should pick two people randomly and say lynch him or him. Ignore any pressure on others in the game.

Because of Mtam's current push on lynch targets I can go under the assumption that Tails is not on his team if Mtam is mafia.

That is 4 people I now lean to be town with excluding myself from my own list (because I am looking for mafia, not playing the be generalizing for everyone else game). That leaves 6 people. 6. That is not a big number to look at.

4. pancakemix
5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
11. Nebuchadnezer

Tell me PCM, put yourself in my shoes here, with the current thought train of 3-4 of these being anti-town (right now I think 3 mafia + 1 third party to be likely). Do the process of elimination and tell me who you'd choose as the most likely to be scum in this list?

We have Mtam, who has been pushing a game like he was some sort of Lyncher role (which he does every game it seems). My META with him shows he does this when he is mafia. With no experience playing with him with him being town.

We have HotShot and Virus, both of whom are pretty quiet, HotShot stepped up and voted for me without really saying how I was being scummy.

We have you and Neb who I suspect slightly because of who died. With my FOS on you slightly increased due to our last few comments.

Then we have Zivel, (who has yet to post much today but yesterday was in favour of lynching D1 and last voted Virus).

So, 6 people I am looking at PCM. Put yourself into my shoes and try to eliminate two from this list please. With reasons why they are town. Once you are finished, if I agree with your reasons, at the bare minimum 3/4 of the remainder should be mafia if you pick out the right townies from the list.

Thats a bs read as you modded the game where I was cop and wanted to lynch the shit out of caffeine regardless of his claim. Neb and Charm were in that game they can both attest to this.

[HotShot53]

Anyhow, roleclaim is HAL 9000 Town Roleblocker.

THAT, is actually a believable claim. (The role, not sure about alignment..)

For now, Unvote before someone quick hammers now that we have a claim.

Gotta liven the activity though on this game.

Ya know what? Scratch my last statement.

part of the problem I have had this game is that at one time or another I have believed almost all of you Town AND Mafia at some point. The night scenes/lynch scenes offer no flavor to work with so we are left with game play and the bull crap factor.

Jak I have played many games with you. You are not a bad player you just have *grin* certain idiosyncrasies. You more then anyone know that mafia would not do a gotcha hammer on day one as that would lead to a certain lynch if Spiesr flipped Town. You could have simply unvoted because you believed the claim instead of acting like you saved the day from a quick voting mafia.

vote Jak

He could have also believed the claim and quickly unvoted because as a scum he already knew spiesr was town...

We have HotShot and Virus, both of whom are pretty quiet, HotShot stepped up and voted for me without really saying how I was being scummy.

To clarify what I said when voting, I thought between you and mtam, I had more of a town read on mtam, and didn't like the reasoning behind your cases/accusations. So instead of sitting back and doing nothing, I picked a side to try to keep things moving. There isn't too much for me to post since I'm not directly involved in the back-and-forth accusations, so not sure I have much more to contribute than my opinion on them, as I have done.

[jak111]

*Deleted the 15 paragraphs I had written before I hit the submit button due to the knowledge that it'd still not get through to people*

I am going to choose to claim now, why you may ask? Because it's the only damn way to progress this game. Due to the silence of multiple people in the game it is getting no where besides watching PCM be afraid of doing a simple deduction game and watching Mtam go all WIFOMY.

I am a T-800 (Arnold Schwarzenegger). I am a town bodyguard and I can pretty much promise the cop's safety until I die.
I have a 3 shot BP vest with the ability (as the normal bodyguard) that 50% chance of killing the attacker whether they target me or the person I protect.

Basically I'm an overpowered doctor with the chance to kill scum.

However, that is where my 3rd party read comes from, 3 shot seems OP for just one shooting faction, so I suspect a 3rd party Serial Killer that can shoot me as well.

Assuming there is an SK and 1 shot hit me/Charm last night, then 1 BP is consumed. Under that theory at the bare minimum I can give Charm 2 more investigation nights.

The thing that worries me is with a role like mine, busdriver seems plausible or a role that can strong arm me to get past my protection of someone.

So, with the high probability of there being third party, I'll ask you ONCE more PCM. Deduct 2 people from my list of 6 with IB, spiesr and Neb posting theirs after yours.

[pancakemix]

Nope. I'm gonna call your bluff.

[jak111]

Nope. I'm gonna call your bluff.

Unvote, Vote PCM.

You can call it all you want, but at the end of the day, you're the one going to be going all in while I hold the royal flush.

[pancakemix]

Nope. I'm gonna call your bluff.

Unvote, Vote PCM.

You can call it all you want, but at the end of the day, you're the one going to be going all in while I hold the royal flush.

But I'm the one who brought a gun to the table.

If you're still standing, in a little while, I'll play ball. Somehow, I doubt that though.

Can we have a VC?

[jak111]

But I'm the one who brought a gun to the table.

If you're still standing, in a little while, I'll play ball. Somehow, I doubt that though.

Can we have a VC?

And once I survive it and you waste at least one night's protection of the town's cop. Either play my deduction game or be pushed to the noose.

[pancakemix]

But I'm the one who brought a gun to the table.

If you're still standing, in a little while, I'll play ball. Somehow, I doubt that though.

Can we have a VC?

And once I survive it and you waste at least one night's protection of the town's cop. Either play my deduction game or be pushed to the noose.

You don't understand. I've already fired.

I'm gonna cite Village of Secrets here for tells:

• Ridiculous bullshit claim. That claim is idiocy in a 12 player setup. Even if you're bulletproof, it still stinks. Last time you pulled that crap I had you pegged and no one listened. I'm bypassing out the middleman this time.
• Trying to dictate the game. You are not the supreme overlord here and you never will be. Your arrogance, as always, will be your end.

[jak111]

*Tick* *Tock*

Oh no, I'm going to die.. help..

I really suggest you start that list for me. Because if I don't have it by tomorrow morning when I'm still standing I'm considering you a Mafia Sniper and going for your head at your weak PR kill attempt.

[pancakemix]

[TA1LGUNN3R]

*Tick* *Tock*

Oh no, I'm going to die.. help..

I really suggest you start that list for me. Because if I don't have it by tomorrow morning when I'm still standing I'm considering you a Mafia Sniper and going for your head at your weak PR kill attempt.

I thought you were a suped bodyguard? How can you target pancake if your attack abilities are passive?

Or do you mean by pursuing a case, because it looks like you're already doing that?

Anyway, I'll wait for the fallout before going any further.

-Tails

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote Jak

For now.

[virus90]

i would kind of expect a doctor to be in the game, and i cant imagine a doctor and a bodyguard together.
so im not sure on the claim, besides jak has invented a nice claim before, vampire hunter or something like that?

[jak111]

i would kind of expect a doctor to be in the game, and i cant imagine a doctor and a bodyguard together.
so im not sure on the claim, besides jak has invented a nice claim before, vampire hunter or something like that?

That was a nice claim, I mean from a mafia perspective I had everyone fooled just long enough.

But I am still standing. So PCM needs to play ball. He's wasted a night's worth of me protecting Charm (our cop). So continued refusal at a simple request marks it scummy as hell after wasting that.

[HotShot53]

Interesting claim from jak... seems pretty overpowered of a role, a basically unkillable doctor who can shoot back. 3-BP isn't completely invulnerable... but I doubt any mafia is going to waste that many kills to take you out when they could kill 1/3 of the players instead (besides the fact that on average 2 mafia would die while trying). Since the day is two weeks long though, I will unvote for now, but unless we find more suspicious scum somewhere, I will probably come back to voting for jak since I don't really believe that claim.

Other than jak, the person I find most suspicious right now is neb... he has been very quiet all game, especially day 2. His only posts so far in day 2 were to say the cop didn't investigate the right people... and then somehow was mad at himself and had to "get back into this game"... but hasn't posted since then, 2 days ago, although he did post a few times in the GoT mafia yesterday, so he was on the site active. On day 1 he posted mostly 1 liners but didn't say too much... I don't see him voting between his joke vote and him voting no-lynch just before day end. He was "suspicious" of charm, but didn't actually vote her... maybe he didn't want to join the bandwagon and mislynch someone he knew was town, but just wanted to convince others to do it for him? Overall, this play seems very suspicious to me... so I will vote Neb

[edocsil]

People seem to be looking at me for something. No death, and VC soon.

[edocsil]

VC

Tailgunner (1) ~ charm
Neb (1) ~ Spiesr
Jak (1) ~ Mtam
PCM (1) ~ Jak
Neb (1) ~ hotshot

[charm]

Interesting claim from jak... seems pretty overpowered of a role, a basically unkillable doctor who can shoot back. 3-BP isn't completely invulnerable... but I doubt any mafia is going to waste that many kills to take you out when they could kill 1/3 of the players instead (besides the fact that on average 2 mafia would die while trying). Since the day is two weeks long though, I will unvote for now, but unless we find more suspicious scum somewhere, I will probably come back to voting for jak since I don't really believe that claim.

Other than jak, the person I find most suspicious right now is neb... he has been very quiet all game, especially day 2. His only posts so far in day 2 were to say the cop didn't investigate the right people... and then somehow was mad at himself and had to "get back into this game"... but hasn't posted since then, 2 days ago, although he did post a few times in the GoT mafia yesterday, so he was on the site active. On day 1 he posted mostly 1 liners but didn't say too much... I don't see him voting between his joke vote and him voting no-lynch just before day end. He was "suspicious" of charm, but didn't actually vote her... maybe he didn't want to join the bandwagon and mislynch someone he knew was town, but just wanted to convince others to do it for him? Overall, this play seems very suspicious to me... so I will vote Neb

I think HotShot is right on with Neb. I'm seriously considering changing my vote to Neb. Don't want you all saying I'm getting on his bandwagon until I do a little more investigation. Also, Hotshots vote did not make the count on Neb.

[spiesr]

People seem to be looking at me for something. No death, and VC soon.

Would a failed Daykill attempt trigger a scene?

[pancakemix]

No dice.

Reads:

1. Jak - Bulletproof, as I said, means nothing. Your claim is still garbage and you're playing terribly. Again.

Then there's a big gap.

2. Tails - Not totally sold on him. I'm waiting for something to materialize. At all. but he just seems off.

This is what you get. It's all you get. Kindly choke on it.

Vote Jak