Game of Thrones Mafia 9/24 Night 6: End Game Vote 4 MVP

[Zivel]

and now he's saying that he was not happy with the crasp lynch from the start and that he just moved it because he had to get a vote out? I don't buy it. Also, I mentioned before that Zivel accepted crasp's watered down half-claim very easily. His most recent post admits that was an error, it could also have been a slip.

My other thought is to start looking at other people on the crasp bw.

Looking back I should never of voted crasp. I don't like voting without a reason and I don't like voters that don't have a reason, my reason was sound but I didn't really feel it. I live in NZ and I voted at night before bed, I was surprised when I woke to see him not dead, I thought that would be the last post of crasps. The speed of this game is surprising.

You did not answer my earlier question. Do you recall the game not to far back where you were pegged as mafia for using the same vocabulary?? The game where you tried so hard to come across Town by using "us Town" and "We"? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Yes course I remember that, it was the noobiest mistake I have made in mafia to date. I didn't see it in bunnies:

Haha, I'm not even remotely a newbie, but thanks.
I do not think everyone in my city is town, and I pointed out in one of my posts the exact same thing. So no, not trusting them, and definitely not a newbie mistake.

My point was, that mafia already have more information than town. They know who town are and who mafia are, while us town players know only ourselves, like whether we are VT or a role, or so on. Coming out and talking about cities I believe gives mafia more information to use against the town. That is why I was wary of talking about cities. Not because I think that all the people in a city is town (though I wouldn't put it past Storr totally mindfucking everyone like that), but because I didn't want to give mafia more information than they already have. They could not have known about the locations. That was my point.

But anyway, I like the activity and questioning so far of people in this game. I am highly impressed.

Question: Someone fosed betiko. Why?

I mean hers was no where near as bad as mine, mine was repetitive posts and a lot more obvious than that.

Second there was no wagon. I voted by what I thought appeared scummy. One could argue She was being a wise ass or sarcastic in her replay. I saw it as her trying to play word games by flipping it back to me. What I find odd is that you made no mention of my scumminess until after you withdrew your vote from crasp. It was only then that my vote became issue.

The wagon thing was a mistake, I thought you voted second. I had it in my head that you were following a Jak vote, I will say it again that the vote thread is a pain in the arse. I had you picked as my top scum read after betiko, but it was not a strong read and so I thought I would follow the wagon on crasp before pushing it. When crasp claimed and I thought him dead, I changed my vote to head into day two hoping to apply pressure to you. Unfortunately my investigative skills were flawed and we are in this situation. I still don't think your case on bunnies is any good but I also am not 100% sold on her being town anymore either.

[Zivel]

I have also pondered the cities and the information we share from within our cities.

Now that we are mod confirmed that we have 4 cities, is it worth someone coming out and letting us know if they have less than 6 in each city? So we know that everyone is in a city?

Is it also a safe bet to say that there is mafia in each town, so the talk in our cities is being passed by them around as we type? If that is the case then letting the town know if there is anything dodgy going on in their city would be a good idea, as the scum already know? I mean the city thing is more anti town than pro town as I see it.

I don't like this city thing, it throws more chaos into an already chaotic bloody game.

[betiko]

Oh and as per (b), my original assumption is that betiko and firth had an ally that controlled the Iron Throne, but then why did the votes on firth start counting mid day?

Basically my assumption as with what was mentioned before, Betiko traded his ability to vote for lynch protection (a bit premature).

I think tomorrow Betiko may need to be looked at again.. he didn't even wait until the day was closer to ending but called for lynch protection mid-day. I have to assume that ability must recharge, unless he's a tree-stump we might be able to shake info from him yet. (The reason why I am suspicious is because of how prematurely it was cast... Seems odd if he is town).

Crasp seems to have not answered whether he knows more about the Iron Throne than just who has it. (Character name at that, so he doesn't even know the actual player who has it).

Aside from those two, my focus will be on people who were not the bit curious about the cities. Whether they be a third party group with members in each city or mafia with members in each city (which I feel certain is the case), they'd have no problem with not wondering because by night fall their partners could tell them everything they need to know. So basically I'm looking into the possibility of a group of people just not interested one bit in the cities during the Day 1 chatter.

FP's twice.

Suppose i have the tree stump ability. Votes are piling up on me. If i activate it too late, the second person with the most votes dies because of me. My interest is to have the best candidate lynched at the end of the day, not to trick everyone with someone everybody thought as safe killed because I saved my ass. Your reasoning is very poor.

Zivel, you have 3-4 bad moves you had to justify, each time saying you fucked up. How many more f*ck ups before it starts being suspicious?

Please elaborate your case on me and tell me how it s a much better case than yours.

[pretender77]

Oh and as per (b), my original assumption is that betiko and firth had an ally that controlled the Iron Throne, but then why did the votes on firth start counting mid day?

Basically my assumption as with what was mentioned before, Betiko traded his ability to vote for lynch protection (a bit premature).

I think tomorrow Betiko may need to be looked at again.. he didn't even wait until the day was closer to ending but called for lynch protection mid-day. I have to assume that ability must recharge, unless he's a tree-stump we might be able to shake info from him yet. (The reason why I am suspicious is because of how prematurely it was cast... Seems odd if he is town).

Crasp seems to have not answered whether he knows more about the Iron Throne than just who has it. (Character name at that, so he doesn't even know the actual player who has it).

Aside from those two, my focus will be on people who were not the bit curious about the cities. Whether they be a third party group with members in each city or mafia with members in each city (which I feel certain is the case), they'd have no problem with not wondering because by night fall their partners could tell them everything they need to know. So basically I'm looking into the possibility of a group of people just not interested one bit in the cities during the Day 1 chatter.

FP's twice.

Suppose i have the tree stump ability. Votes are piling up on me. If i activate it too late, the second person with the most votes dies because of me. My interest is to have the best candidate lynched at the end of the day, not to trick everyone with someone everybody thought as safe killed because I saved my ass. Your reasoning is very poor.

Zivel, you have 3-4 bad moves you had to justify, each time saying you fucked up. How many more f*ck ups before it starts being suspicious?

Please elaborate your case on me and tell me how it s a much better case than yours.

lets give him 5 ...

[jwiedlin]

Day 1, what do we know?

1. Character Roles do not have a connection with mafia/town affiliation. The mountain was revealed to be town. Those of us familiar with the GoT storyline would he agree Gregor Clegane (The Mountain) comes across as a "bad dude", with melting his brother's face and the various other atrocities he committed, yet he is proven town.

2. There is a power out there that makes (or at the very least appears) to grant a player immunity to lynch. This was used on Betiko. We don't know if this a player role, or a function of whoever is sitting the iron throne. It is possible that Betiko used this on himself, or that someone else used this. This power also appears to cancel the vote on whoever it is applied to.

3. A list of 10 people that successfully voted to lynch a townie.
Betiko, strike wolf, Epitaph1, HotShot53, pancakemix, legionnare, kgb007, pretender77, jak111, crasp
Given, day 1, we have little information to go on, so I am not reading too much into this. I would guess there are some mafia in this list, and some mafia not in this list. Note* Betiko's vote did not appear to count for reason #2.

4. Crasp claims to have the power to know the character role that is sitting on the iron throne at any given time. Crasp claims his character is Petyr Baelish (littlefinger) and that his affiliation is town. Were he Mafia, all the rest could be true.

5. There are 4 locations. It is not yet known who is at what location, except for a few that have made claims below.

Braavos
Kings Landing
The Dread Fort - Firth (dead), Betiko, crasp
Storms End

[kgb007]

Couple things since I didn't realize we could night talk but posting on my phone so a more lengthy post and research will have to wait.

I need to go back to earlier in the day and see if betiko has a tree stump "on/off switch" or if votes against him hadn't counted from the start.

Firth was a 1 shot BP, not a terrible loss IMO, yes it sucks it was a mislynch and I was part of it but I didn't like his post admitting to hunting for the throne but saying he couldn't sit on it. He should have explained his city theory better (maybe he did in his city qt).

Crasp - I think you should elaborate on your role some more. Knowing the character is worthless. Is that the only thing you have/do?

Fp'd by jwiedlin

I think you can throw epitaph in that city as well judging by his posts

[crasp]

I think there was something else to firths role that was not revealed in the lynch.( i am not sure if i was lynched the knowing the keeper of the throne would have been revealed.) Certainly enough for Firth to suggest hunting the throne and not scum which ultimately got him lynched. i dont know the importance of the throne other than I always know who is on it which tells me that it is transferable. firth seemed to know this too. as far as the rest now is probably not a good time to be asking as anything that comes out scum will be able to discuss. I will leave all I know with my city at the last minute just in case scum have a second poke at me. That way you will have at least a day before it can be discussed by the wrong people.

[jak111]

I suppose you're right Betiko, but why not claim and keep your power of a vote?

On the Crasp situation, I was thinking perhaps he claims the character's name on the throne. If someone is that character and is NOT on the throne they step up, if there is no denial then we consider it the truth.

He even claimed he knows the character, not the name of the person, so this little test should not be too dangerous.

[betiko]

I suppose you're right Betiko, but why not claim and keep your power of a vote?

On the Crasp situation, I was thinking perhaps he claims the character's name on the throne. If someone is that character and is NOT on the throne they step up, if there is no denial then we consider it the truth.

He even claimed he knows the character, not the name of the person, so this little test should not be too dangerous.

1) i guess having a vote is something much more important for you than claiming, well not for me. Why don t you claim if you think it s not a big deal?
I might be a tree stump, I might not, I might be town, third party, or scum, who knows! (I do)

2) do you really expect the person who sits on the throne to out himself and confirm what crasp would say?

[jak111]

I suppose you're right Betiko, but why not claim and keep your power of a vote?

On the Crasp situation, I was thinking perhaps he claims the character's name on the throne. If someone is that character and is NOT on the throne they step up, if there is no denial then we consider it the truth.

He even claimed he knows the character, not the name of the person, so this little test should not be too dangerous.

1) i guess having a vote is something much more important for you than claiming, well not for me. Why don t you claim if you think it s not a big deal?
I might be a tree stump, I might not, I might be town, third party, or scum, who knows! (I do)

2) do you really expect the person who sits on the throne to out himself and confirm what crasp would say?

You make a point for 1. But 2 you obviously misread. Let me quote the small main bit that I even capitalized to make stand out. I guess it needs to be coloured, bolded and upsized in font as well..

If someone is that character and is NOT on the throne they step up

[betiko]

Sorry for the missread, nevertheless I camp on my positions. We won't learn anything from what you are proposing.
1) crasp can be scum and backed up by another mafia (risky move though)
2) the character he calls out might not want to out himself because of his alignment and for someone who is just proving his role, not his alignment.
3) i have no freaking idea of anything involving the iron throne and the goals people involved in this are trying to achieve, but sounds like something full of secrets and plottings. People are not going to give out info for free.

[MudPuppy]

Finally finished book 1 (good read) and am catching up on the thread.

Good to see mtamburini check in to at least say he's been busy with real life. Will be looking for him to say something on D2.

I really don't see how crasp's claimed ability is really of much help to Town... at least not at this point and until it becomes clear what the throne does for the player that sits on it (or city it resides in). I do think a test of his claim is worth considering. His stating the role doesn't out anyone immediately and could help verify his claim at some point. Depending on the power of the Iron Throne and the allegiance of the person sitting in it, they may decide to immediately verify a claim made. Or, if they don't want to now, they could (if still alive) verify it after the Iron Throne passes on to someone else.

Perhaps the dawn will provide more info.

[charm]

I have also pondered the cities and the information we share from within our cities.

Now that we are mod confirmed that we have 4 cities, is it worth someone coming out and letting us know if they have less than 6 in each city? So we know that everyone is in a city?

Is it also a safe bet to say that there is mafia in each town, so the talk in our cities is being passed by them around as we type? If that is the case then letting the town know if there is anything dodgy going on in their city would be a good idea, as the scum already know? I mean the city thing is more anti town than pro town as I see it.

I don't like this city thing, it throws more chaos into an already chaotic bloody game.

Zivel, I agree with you...but, you point it out with such conviction. Seems a bit scummy. Then you were quick to jump in and explain yourself as soon as someone called you out. I'm keeping an eye on you!

FP'd

[StorrZerg]

closed for night actions....

day post in 1 hour

[StorrZerg]

Day 2 has Arrived

Men and their muscular bodies, men and their sweat, mean and their armor. They ride to war, they ride to glory, for fame, for wealth. Only a few true Knights ride for justice, to honor those they protect. So when one sees a woman, in plate, jokes may be had. For no woman could truly best a ban could she? Yet a king, King Renly saw honor, saw the fight in her eyes, he felt no shame in making her part of his rainbow guard. Not even a fortnight had passed when her king died, slippery shadows taking down her glorious king. No one had ever showed her such kindness, who did not care for her being a woman. What mattered was her skill at the sword.

It seems in the night, the night full of terror, he could see her plate sitting next to the tree, A sword as well. no man to watch this woman. What good was this to a woman, he shall take it, as well as her life. With great speed she was over powered by the beast, his breathe smelled of death, his fingers icy around her neck. Pushing him back, she reached for her dagger, but alas it was not enough...

Spoiler

Iron Butterfly You are Brienne Tarth of House Tarth. You've been downtrodden your entire life, so now anyone who shows you even the slightest courtesy earns your loyalty UNTO DEATH. Each night you MUST choose to protect one person. If that person is targeted by KP, you will take the hit instead. You MUST use your power each night. You win with Town.
You are located in Kings Landing

Day 2 Begins you have until wed july 2nd 16:00 cc time to submit your votes
If you have not gotten your night action, wait for an hour. If after that time you have not gotten it you may pm me.

[Iron Butterfly]

BAH so much for being a meat shield.

[betiko]

Storr, I think you forgot to add which city he was in, given that you gave this information after firth s death?

Also, it looks from the scene that IB was directly targetted and that he didn't take the hit for someone else?

The icy fingers thing makes me think that he got killed by a white walker??

[StorrZerg]

edited, fixed.

[strike wolf]

I will have more later but given that The Mountain (and Petyr Baelish) never visited the Dreadfort in GoT or the books, it is safe to say that what role you have does not determine which city you reside in.

Anyways, Zival is still my top choice right now. Way too much inconsistency in his reasoning. I will see if I have anything to add to the case that hasn't already been said when I can get back to my computer and not try to type it out on my phone.

[strike wolf]

Zivel. I have never spelled his name wrong before why did I start now?

[MudPuppy]

Vote betiko... 1) to make sure it counts this morning and 2) 'cause I think a claim is warranted based on yesterday's case (role fishing) and the questions surrounding his immunity from votes.

[MudPuppy]

betiko (0): Mudpuppy

hmmm... still not counting. Treestump (weirwood???), I guess??? Not too familiar with that role or other possible reasons.

[boonetown]

alright so, i planned to post something as soon as the night started but i was in a video mafia game and couldnt read and listen at the same time (dont judge me), and then when i had time to post, i was drunk, having read crasps drunk post i just decided better late than never. so here i go.

@jwiedlin - my favourite poster thus far, his "what do we know" post was essentially what i was going to do today, a summary of what's happened, the important parts that is. and the 4 locations is what i really want to focus on.

5. There are 4 locations. It is not yet known who is at what location, except for a few that have made claims below.

Braavos
Kings Landing
The Dread Fort - Firth (dead), Betiko, crasp
Storms End

we all know that there was some contention in the dread fort, in fact all three people mentioned were candidates for a lynch at one point or another. from this i am ASSUMING that is where the iron throne is. why? because people want them dead in order to gain the throne. as i said, this is my assumption, but i really think it's important to talk about. what do you guys think?

i also think that if you guys agree, betiko might want to let us know if the 'power' used on him was of his own choice or not. if he already has and i missed it somewhere, could someone quote it for me please?


before i forget, i think saying a character name in this set up is not going to help us anymore. we can't tell if someone is town simply by their character name (proof from the mountain) had he claimed mountain earlier, i would have instictly wanted to say he was mafia, possibly why he didnt claim when the band wagon happened.

i want to know if there is a way for us to choose to burn a character after they are lynched or not. i do not want white walkers.

@ jak

On the Crasp situation, I was thinking perhaps he claims the character's name on the throne. If someone is that character and is NOT on the throne they step up, if there is no denial then we consider it the truth

i dont like this at all. why in the heck would you want mafia to know who is on the throne? and i know you're going to say "but it's just the character name, not the player name" doesnt help. his role of knowing the character name and not the player proves that character names are given out. what if there is a mafia role that lets the mafia to check a person each night and get their character name? this is not something i want to happen.

so it lookes like iron buterfly was town (glad i was right!) and that the night protection probably worked. it's a shame we dont know who she saved, but i'm happy she did! also, if you're a guy (can't remember again but butterfly...) sorry.

so, in the last games i played i did this and really enjoyed it. 1), because if i die you have an easy place to go back to see who i fos and who i dont, and 2) because i like lists.

MY LIST:

scum:
hotshot
zivel (tho this has lessened considering he also fos's hotshot)

town:
iron butterfly (dead)
crasp
strike
jwiedlin
neb
pancake

everyone else is neutral for me right now. including bunnies.

[betiko]

betiko (0): Mudpuppy

hmmm... still not counting. Treestump (weirwood???), I guess??? Not too familiar with that role or other possible reasons.

You re never gonna get a claim from me unless I decide to.
You re still on that AOG shit because I tried to get him to speak more than one liners?
What exactly are you trying to get from me that is different that what I tried to get from AOG? (Although in my case it was justified, here you are just being stubborn)

This is pretty funny, a few guys put a name on something, so everybody starts sheeping seeing a very solid case based on dog shit. I knew from the start that a character was not something that could determine your faction as storr said it very explicitely when he said he would work on creating this game. If you are still going to split hair for ages because I asked someone halfass active if he liked his character early day 1 to test him, well go ahead, this is a waste of time and reading for everyone in here.

Fp by boone

[jak111]

Boone, you're thinking about one part of the argument, right now I'm trying to catch whether Crasp is mafia or not. If he's town, no one will speak up and we'll be good to go, but if he's mafia, someone with the name he claims has it will speak up and say that he is wrong (effectively not outing the guy with the throne and killing off mafia if Crasp is mafia).

Not testing his claim to some extent is just a freebie to let him walk on by.

That being said, I personally lean towards Crasp being town. However if I go on that assumption without at least some evidence to back it up I might be letting mafia slide through our fingers early on. Right now every anti-town death counts as we may be down to about 11-13 townies, 5-7 mafia and the rest third party (I am leaning around 4-5 third party perhaps, with the possibility of cult being a pain in the ass).

So if we can reduce mafia numbers by even just one today, that's a step in the right direction.

King's Landing: Iron Butterfly(Town)
Dread Fort: Firth(Town), Betiko(Seems to be Town since Treestump Mafia would be OP), Crasp
Storms End:
Braavos:

My little theory on at least 2 anti-town per city means that at the Dread Fort there are 4 people left, Crasp and 3 others that are unknowns for alignments. The reason why I want to clear Crasp is because that would leave THREE people in that city with a likely hood of 2 being anti-town. Perhaps only 1 is anti-town perhaps there are 3 anti-town. But if my theory is right at least 2 of them are anti-town.

My reasons for wanting to check Crasp might seem a bit clearer with that paragraph hopefully.

FP'd by Betiko, yeah.. I think you're a treestump dude. Or at least town at the very least. Because that would be a terribly OP role if it were mafia/3rd party.