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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Donelladan on Thu May 22, 2014 3:42 pm

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2014-05-21 23:41:48 - PSU 86 deployed 20 troops on Akanthou


How is he holding you hostage if he drops to attack your last territory and goes 10-21, autoattacking it? Are you really saying you have this C&A just because you don't like his forts?


Really??

lol !

PSU 138 troops.
Jonny 14.


Previous turn it was something like 129 vs 21.

Yes that's a progress. But yes he could have ended it before.
This is hostage taking pure and simple. So obvious you have to be really dumb not to see it. At the beginning maybe PSU was only trying to be 100% sure as he said.
But there is no way in hell 21 troops could have beaten 121 troops on 19 regions. He is taking his time for no reason now.

I am wondering why any mod didnt force PSU to end it yet??


Further proof if needed

2014-05-20 21:39:30 - PSU 86 deployed 19 troops on Zyyi
2014-05-20 21:39:43 - PSU 86 assaulted Akanthou from Lefkoniko and conquered it from neutral player


Why would PSU deploy 19 on Zyyi when all Jonny troops are on Yalousa which is behind Akanthou ? I mean isn't it pretty obvious that a drop on Leofkoniko would have allow him to probably kill Jonny?

Look 5 sec or 1 hour at the map you will still be unable to give a good reason why to deploy on Zyyi except... taking hostage.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby j1mathman on Thu May 22, 2014 4:00 pm

Donelladan wrote:
j1mathman wrote:
2014-05-21 23:41:48 - PSU 86 deployed 20 troops on Akanthou


How is he holding you hostage if he drops to attack your last territory and goes 10-21, autoattacking it? Are you really saying you have this C&A just because you don't like his forts?


Really??

lol !

PSU 138 troops.
Jonny 14.


Previous turn it was something like 129 vs 21.

Yes that's a progress. But yes he could have ended it before.
This is hostage taking pure and simple. So obvious you have to be really dumb not to see it. At the beginning maybe PSU was only trying to be 100% sure as he said.
But there is no way in hell 21 troops could have beaten 121 troops on 19 regions. He is taking his time for no reason now.

I am wondering why any mod didnt force PSU to end it yet??


Further proof if needed

2014-05-20 21:39:30 - PSU 86 deployed 19 troops on Zyyi
2014-05-20 21:39:43 - PSU 86 assaulted Akanthou from Lefkoniko and conquered it from neutral player


Why would PSU deploy 19 on Zyyi when all Jonny troops are on Yalousa which is behind Akanthou ? I mean isn't it pretty obvious that a drop on Leofkoniko would have allow him to probably kill Jonny?

Look 5 sec or 1 hour at the map you will still be unable to give a good reason why to deploy on Zyyi except... taking hostage.


how many troops was the advantage at that turn, don? was it like 80-20? a 20 troop swing from there makes it 60-20.. but no, of course, it's hostage taking pure and simple..
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby PSU 86 on Thu May 22, 2014 7:21 pm

I was deploying to Zyyi expecting my opponnet to come thru neutral with his large stack...I expected the worse (that is my strategy) and expected to take heavy losses as he came at me with a large stack and 3 dice to my 2. I was building for that.
But of course, Johnny never attacked. He just sat there and complained. I didnt expect that. The only way you backers of Johnny are right is if Johnny had no chance of winning. He did have a chance of winning even if it was small. I like to hold off my final attack until I stand 99.5% chance of winning the game. Can CC provide me an app of some kind so that I can tell when I reach that point? I know I must have been past that when I did finish today...I came at him 24v20 and got good dice to finish.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby PSU 86 on Thu May 22, 2014 7:40 pm

I know you all love the drama, so to keep you all entertained, here is some more:

first I do want to thank the moderators and volunteers for their good work on this site. They do a great job most of the time and I am thankful for that; it makes CC a great site.
However, one low ranking volunteer, whose name I can not pronounce....I think it has something to do with a sump pump or something....sugggested to me to end the game. I did end the game by the way.....I came at my opponnets huge stack with just 4 more troops than he had and luckily I won. Anyway, here is my response to him....again, just to keep you all amused.

JOhnny, good game, no hard feelings, nothing personal. I just wanted to win.....I play like my life depends on it....just like i play sports.

Maybe i take these games too seriously. On the bright side, I do not limit myself to just playing high ranking players. I open all my games to anyone and often lose to cooks and others with low scores. It is hard to maintain a high score when you do that.

I do feel like we are beating a dead horse here. Some of you , I know I will never convince that I meant nothing nefarious by playing the way I played. I did not intend to hold anyone hostage. Perhaps I could have ended it sooner. Maybe my math is flawed. Maybe I didnt realize that I was well past 99.5 percent chance of winning 2 or 3 rounds earlier. Maybe you are all better at the math than me and knew it was time, but I just didnt know yet. But at least I played.....my opponet rolled over and played dead for the last few rounds. I didnt expect that....I kept thinking he was going to come at me with really good dice and my defender dice would be terrible.

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hey PSU86

Don't you think you have dragged this game on long enough? You are receiving 20 troops on your next turn. How about deploying where you can attack and attacking or deploying deploying where you can attack and then forting more troops there and finishing the game. Re: Game 14406933
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sorry, but I dont take strategic advice from a sargeant.

what if your life depended on winning a game in CC? would you then play like I do? I 'm not dragging it out....just playing smart.

Perhaps you could learn a thing or two by watching my way of playing.

I would hate to be held hostage , no one has ever done it to me...and I am not doing it to anyone.

Sometimes losing a game is just not fun.

It is my contention that my opponent johnny rocket 24 is dragging it out by not doing anything but building (to a 20 stack by the way).....HE FAILED TO COME THRU NEUTRAL TOO...and that would have been his best bet on beating me. Each turn he waits, I stood a better chance of winning.

What makes you WRONG about it is that you fail to acknowledge that johnny rocket actually stood a CHANCE of winning (even if it is small). I just wanted to make that chance of his smaller. I have seen it all in my 10000 games on here....i've seen time and time again david beating goliath because the dice turn and favor one player and heavily disfavor another. I have been on the losing end of that many times. The difference i s that I congratulate my opponent afterwards....JOHNNY Just whines.
Some of you are just so closed minded too that you refuse to change your mind on the whole issue. Johnny got to you frist so you believe him blindly.
Let my 10,000 games be my defense. I have never blatantly held someone hostage (nor would I). I usually rate my opponent highly and include "good strategy"
Johnny , however, rates most with either 5 stars or one star....nothing in between. To Johnny the world is black and white. Good or bad. Not a continuum, but everything exists at the ends of the continuum. He can not even phathom how this could be part of a strategy. He just feels the pain o f losing (that we all have felt) and whines. All you that join him, are like a roomful of babies crying together in a preschool. Dont you all have anything better to do? I've seen some real jerks on this site and my play is not an example of it. If anyone needs to go sit in the corner, it would be Johnny for being a sore loser, and you followers of Johnny for feeling bad for his hurt ego; Johnny wins more games percentage wise than most who will read this...he does not like to lose (none of us does)....but most of us take it better than Johnny.
Perhaps Johnny should get out and play more sports? Sports will teach Johnny how to win and lose with grace. Unfortunately , Johnny wont learn that on CC as long as you enabling volunteers back him.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby rhp 1 on Thu May 22, 2014 9:23 pm

JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:Accused:

PSU 86




The accused are suspected of:

Other: Holding players hostage



Game number(s):

Game 14406933


Comments:I left a message in game chat to finish game. He replied for me to read his wall. His wall states you must attack neutrals and eliminate all your armies before he will finish the game. He continues to make rediculous deployments and fails to make any kind of forting and ends turn where it is clearly obvious he can end the game at any given time. I left a kind message on his wall to finish the game off but he deleted it so others do not see the message compared to the message he wants you to read about which is eliminating all your armies. I refuse to deadbeat the game but at the same time CC has rules in place that prohibit players from dragging games out and not finishing them.


first, psu is sort of a joke... that said? If you're so sure the game is lost, blast through and end it... otherwise your argument makes no sense... if it's clearly obvious to you that he can win the game at any time, that means you believe the game is over... blast the N's, finish the game, instead of wasting the mod's time...
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby universalchiro on Thu May 22, 2014 10:25 pm

This seems like a clear case of holding a player hostage.

Round 14 green has 1 region the rest of the game dropping 3 troops. Red drops 11 troops. Red dropped away from front line by 4 and 5 regions away. If PSU 86 was concerned that 6green troops behind a neutral was going to bust through, then said person drops next to the neutral between you and opponent. But red kept dropping 4 regions away, and 5 regions away, all the while hiding behind a tale that he is concerned weak green will bust out and run the table. This is laughable.
No fort. Could have forted 8 troops to front line.

Round 15: Red drops 15 troops again 4 and 5 regions away from front line. These regions are blocked in, he couldn't even use these troops to attack because he is in the way. Another round of no fort. Could have forted more troops this round.

Round 16: Red drops 16 troops four regions away from front line. Again no fort to aid his tale of being concerned about a break out.

Round 17: Red drops 16 troops at the farthest region away from green's one region. Red takes two neutrals to pick up a +2. Again no fort. Should be noted that red had 17 troops left over. but left them at the farthest region away from green. This is clearly the actions of one holding someone hostage.

Round 18: Red drops 19 troops. 13 on front line, another 6 troops four regions away from battlefront. Again, no fort.

Round 19: Red drops 19 troops five regions away from front line. And with troops he dropped the round before, he finally hits the neutral that separated him from the one green region. and complains he doesn't have enough troops to get the kill with 2v11. How about don't drop 19 troops five regions away from front line.. Again, no fort.

Rounds 20 : red dropped front line. Again, no fort.
Round 21 : Red drops on front line to finish the game.

Someone having 151 troops to zero on a map that small with no spoils is obviously playing with his opponent.

PSU 86 made my foe list. I wouldn't want that pulled on me, take away from the enjoyment of the game.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby jltile1 on Thu May 22, 2014 11:03 pm

I do think this is still up for the comedy involved. This makes me think CC is the funniest site ever, all the thoughts here make me laugh. Who really cares about one game on Cyprus ? Hope this helps to the report !!!
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby jasholz on Fri May 23, 2014 1:55 am

10865 total

10618 1v1 games
97 multi-player games

Baffling
You talk of strategy you have no clue.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby spudulica on Fri May 23, 2014 2:55 am

He has done it to me on Nubia a few time in the past too. Taking an age to end a game. >5 rounds more than it should have taken. Not an excessive amount of time but its still fecking annoying.

Edit to my comment.

I looked back through the log on the game I played him and I think he might just be VERY cautious. Still its unfair to keep people hanging if you can end it sooner. Game 14266141
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Gabriel13 on Fri May 23, 2014 6:57 am

jasholz wrote:10865 total

10618 1v1 games
97 multi-player games

Baffling
You talk of strategy you have no clue.

Yepp, A 59% win/loss ratio means nothing with that many 1v1 games. I don't even know why you would brag about a ratio like that.. Good job, you win 9% more than you lose! Too bad all those games were simple and against one other person. I have 55% 1v1 win/loss ratio, and I don't ever extend games longer than they need to be, so obviously your strategy doesn't work too well..
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby iAmCaffeine on Fri May 23, 2014 7:29 am

Gabriel13 wrote:
jasholz wrote:10865 total

10618 1v1 games
97 multi-player games

Baffling
You talk of strategy you have no clue.

Yepp, A 59% win/loss ratio means nothing with that many 1v1 games. I don't even know why you would brag about a ratio like that.. Good job, you win 9% more than you lose! Too bad all those games were simple and against one other person. I have 55% 1v1 win/loss ratio, and I don't ever extend games longer than they need to be, so obviously your strategy doesn't work too well..


It obviously works 4% better than your strategy.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Gabriel13 on Fri May 23, 2014 1:20 pm

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Gabriel13 wrote:
jasholz wrote:10865 total

10618 1v1 games
97 multi-player games

Baffling
You talk of strategy you have no clue.

Yepp, A 59% win/loss ratio means nothing with that many 1v1 games. I don't even know why you would brag about a ratio like that.. Good job, you win 9% more than you lose! Too bad all those games were simple and against one other person. I have 55% 1v1 win/loss ratio, and I don't ever extend games longer than they need to be, so obviously your strategy doesn't work too well..


It obviously works 4% better than your strategy.

He's also played over 2 times more 1v1 games than I have. Practice may not make you perfect, but it does make you better.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Evil Semp on Fri May 23, 2014 5:28 pm

PSU 86 has received a WARNING.

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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Shannon Apple on Fri May 23, 2014 6:24 pm

sorry, but I dont take strategic advice from a sargeant.


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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Gabriel13 on Sat May 24, 2014 8:01 am

Shannon Apple wrote:
sorry, but I dont take strategic advice from a sargeant.


OUTRANKED! :lol:

He probably should've treated the person judging what to do about this with more respect!
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Evil Semp on Sat May 24, 2014 9:29 am

Gabriel13 wrote:
Shannon Apple wrote:
sorry, but I dont take strategic advice from a sargeant.


OUTRANKED! :lol:

He probably should've treated the person judging what to do about this with more respect!


The decision was made before he sent the PM and before I read his latest post.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby j1mathman on Sat May 24, 2014 3:26 pm

I don't agree with this decision by the ES.. I think the mod has overstepped his bonudaries. Dice can suck and you warned the man becuase he took, what, a couple rounds more than you thought was reasonable? Wasn't it his game?

Because you can (warn him) doesn't mean you should.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Serbia on Sat May 24, 2014 3:41 pm

j1mathman wrote:I don't agree with this decision by the ES.. I think the mod has overstepped his bonudaries. Dice can suck and you warned the man becuase he took, what, a couple rounds more than you thought was reasonable? Wasn't it his game?

Because you can (warn him) doesn't mean you should.


There are rules that should and must be followed. The moderator followed these rules. PSU did not. Get over it.

Bollocks.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby j1mathman on Sat May 24, 2014 3:59 pm

Serbia wrote:
j1mathman wrote:I don't agree with this decision by the ES.. I think the mod has overstepped his bonudaries. Dice can suck and you warned the man becuase he took, what, a couple rounds more than you thought was reasonable? Wasn't it his game?

Because you can (warn him) doesn't mean you should.


There are rules that should and must be followed. The moderator followed these rules. PSU did not. Get over it.

Bollocks.


Serbia, here are the rules:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules


There must be interpretation that goes into that. So, it's not about "following" the rules, it is about applying them.
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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby Serbia on Sat May 24, 2014 4:20 pm

j1mathman wrote:
Serbia wrote:
j1mathman wrote:I don't agree with this decision by the ES.. I think the mod has overstepped his bonudaries. Dice can suck and you warned the man becuase he took, what, a couple rounds more than you thought was reasonable? Wasn't it his game?

Because you can (warn him) doesn't mean you should.


There are rules that should and must be followed. The moderator followed these rules. PSU did not. Get over it.

Bollocks.


Serbia, here are the rules:

Unwritten Rules

Obviously any gross abuse of the game is forbidden. This includes but is not limited to: throwing games or deliberately benefiting from thrown games, intentional deadbeating, holding players hostage, serial teammate killing, hijacking accounts, systematically "farming" new recruits and colluding with other players in any way to manipulate the scoring system.

http://www.conquerclub.com/public.php?mode=rules


There must be interpretation that goes into that. So, it's not about "following" the rules, it is about applying them.


Then he applied the rule as it was meant to be applied. Again, move on.

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Re: PSU 86[es]

Postby TeeGee on Sat May 24, 2014 11:46 pm

I am LOCKing this thread.
if you want to discuss this verdict, please start a thread in General Discussions.

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