[CC5] CCup5 - Main Thread [Winner: FALL - MVP: IcePack)

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Thu May 01, 2014 11:40 pm

TO: Keefie

Winner: FALL

Runner-up: TOFU

MVP CC5: IcePack
Runner-up: Triple 6

MVP Final: osman76
Runner-up: rcfritz

Final Results for All Rounds

All Final Results

Round One
ACE (30) vs GON (11) - Clan War Page
RGX/RGV (25) vs HH/VNM (16) - Clan War Page
FALL (32) vs VVV/BOB (9) - Clan War Page
RET (27) vs FAD (14) - Clan War Page
PACK (26) vs AQOH (15) - Clan War Page
LHDD (26) vs FISO/FSC (15) - Clan War Page
TSM (29) vs ATN (12) - Clan War Page
FOED (30) vs KNT (11) - Clan War Page
ATL (29) vs GR (12) - Clan War Page
RA (23) vs MYTH (18) - Clan War Page
TNC (26) vs SOH (15) - Clan War Page
OSA (27) vs PHNX (14) - Clan War Page
LEG/OLE (27) vs TWD (14) - Clan War Page
MM (18) vs LOTZ (3)* - Clan War Page

*LOTZ quit midway, MM went through

Round Two
ACE (39) vs RGX/RGV (22) - Clan War Page
FALL (34) vs RET (27) - Clan War Page
LHDD (39) vs PACK (22) - Clan War Page
TSM (33) vs FOED (28) - Clan War Page
TOFU (42) vs MM (19) - Clan War Page
RA (37) vs ATL (24) - Clan War Page
KORT/S&M (36) vs TNC (25) - Clan War Page
LEG/OLE (32) vs OSA (29) - Clan War Page

Round Three
FALL (31) vs ACE (30) - Clan War Page
LHDD (38) vs TSM (23) - Clan War Page
TOFU (38) vs RA (23) - Clan War Page
KORT (35) vs LEG/OLE (26) - Clan War Page

Round Four - Semi-Finals
FALL (31) vs LHDD (30) - Clan War Page
TOFU (35) vs KORT/S&M (26) - Clan War Page

Round Five - Finals
FALL (31) vs TOFU (29) - Clan War Page

Round of 32

Round of 16

Round of 8

Semifinals

Finals

Consolation

Seeded 16

1 ACE
2 TOFU
3 KORT
4 PACK
5 TSM
6 OSA
7 ATL
8 FALL
9 RET
10 RA
11 LEG
12 FOED
13 LHDD
14 TNC
15 MM
16 RGX

random pool

HH
GON
AQOH
VVV
MYTH
GR
ATN
FISO
KNT
LOTZ
SOH
FAD
TWD
PHX

random blind draw

KA was pm'd the Random Pool and bW was pm'd the Seeded 16. Both pots were randomized first. Nothing was explained to them and they were not told of the other's participation. They were instructed to simply label the acronyms from A to N and return. Matching up the letters gives us the random blind draw.

KA
F - PHX
K - TWD
H - HH
J - FISO
E - KNT
B - MYTH
N - LOTZ
A - SOH
M - VVV
C - GR
I - GON
D - AQOH
G - FAD
L – ATN

bW
TNC-A
ATL-C
RA-B
FOED-E
PACK-D
OSA-F
RET-G
ACE/TOFU-I
RGX-H
MM-N
LHDD-J
LEG-K
TSM-L
FALL-M

So the matchups are:

1 ACE vs GON (if TOFU wins CCup4 semi)
2 TOFU vs GON (if ACE wins CCup4 semi)
3 KORT bye
4 PACK vs AQOH
5 TSM vs ATN
6 OSA vs PHX
7 ATL vs GR
8 FALL vs VVV
9 RET vs FAD
10 RA vs MYTH
11 LEG vs TWD
12 FOED vs KNT
13 LHDD vs FISO
14 TNC vs SOH
15 MM vs LOTZ
16 RGX v HH

LINK TO BRACKET

http://challonge.com/CCUP5Bracket

Link to Sign Ups Here.

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Thu May 01, 2014 11:41 pm

Welcome to the Fifth Annual OFFICIAL CC CONQUEROR’S CUP!!

Rewards

The Conquerors Cup is an Official CC Clan Event and as such the CD's have premium prizes to award to the winning clan, $\:D/$ 1 month per eligible clan member and we will also be awarding overall. Medals to 1st, 2nd and 3rd place Clans.

General Layout

This will be a multi-clan, bracket style, single elimination clan war tournament. We are guessing the challenge will consist of 30-40 clans (possibly more). We will take however many sign up as long as they meet eligibility. Clans will be seeded before the tournament starts. Brackets will be a mix of seeded and random. Top 16 clans will be seeded. All others will be randomized. Participants in the CCup4 finals will be given a bye if they participate and are seeded in the Top 16. (So there will be 14 matches in the First Round.) If we have more than 32 clans sign up, then as many play-in games matches will take place as we need to get a 32 clan bracket by the randomized clans. The winner of the finals will be the winner of the Conqueror's Cup. The loser of the finals will take 2nd place. The two clans who lose the semi finals will play a clan war the same as the finals for 3rd place.

Seedings

After sign-ups conclude, seedings will be given out. The seedings will be determined by the latest F400 Rankings found here http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=174424.

Eligibility

Clan Eligibility
To sign up for the Conqueror's Cup, each clan must meet the following criteria:

Must be members of the CDF; and
Must have demonstrated adequate ability to carry on a war (organizer experience, etc.)*

*The CDs reserve the right to waive either or both of these requirements at their sole discretion.

Player Eligibility
We will be playing with an amended "cup tied" rule. The rules will be as follows:

-If a player plays for a clan in a given round, they are cup-tied for that round and cannot play for another clan in that round
-If the old clan of a player loses the round in which the player has played, that player is considered "eliminated" with their old clan and cannot play for another clan for the rest of the tournament
-If the old clan of a player wins the last round in which the player has played with them, then they are not considered cup-tied at the conclusion of that war and are free to play with any other clan at the beginning of the next round of the tournament

Clan Wars

The play-in clan wars (games before the round of 32) as well as the first round of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:

- 41 total games
- 12 doubles
- 14 triples
- 14 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 15 games per clan war
- The 41st game will be Trips on Classic, sunny, chained, no spoils (does not count toward player game maximum)

Clan wars in the round of 16, the quarter finals, and the semi-finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:

- 61 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
- The 61st game will be Trips on Classic, sunny, chained, no spoils (does not count toward player game maximum)

The finals of the Conqueror's Cup will use the following format:

- 60 total games
- 20 doubles
- 20 triples
- 20 quads
- Each clan member can only participate in 20 games per clan war
-In case of a tie, there will be a 7 game tie breaker with each clan choosing three games of any game type and settings. The last game will be Trips on Random, sunny, chained, no spoils.
-Any players can play in the tie-breaker games in the finals even if they have already played in their allotted number of games for that clan war, however, no player can play in more than 2 of the games. Maps cannot be reused in the tie breaker games.

As has been allowed in the past, each clan war can adjust the rules slightly to their liking if both clans agree on the adjusted rules before any games are started and they get the CD's approval. This ability to adjust rules only applies to individual war settings not to overall rules of the Cup. By way of example, clans may not increase the number of games in their match, increase the number of sets in their match, violate the Cup-Tied Rule, etc.

Threads and Game Exchanges

Once a match has been decided, the TO will send the contacts for the next match a pm with guidance on thread responsibilities and deadlines for game exchanges. The next match will start no earlier than 2 weeks from this private message. The private message will encourage the clans to discuss terms privately prior to setting up the thread. However, if terms are not agreed to or the other clan is nonresponsive, it is the higher ranked clans responsibility to set up the thread with the default rules, with any agreed upon additions, within one week of the scheduled start of the war. At this point the negotiations can be finalized in public and TO intervention provided if necessary. The deadlines for game exchanges may be changed only with permission of the TO, unless the clans agree to do them faster. In 41 game wars the 1st batch will consist of (3D/3T/4Q+TB) and the 2nd batch will consist of (3D/4T/3Q) for each side and the batches will be 2 weeks apart. In 61 game wars the 1st batch will consist of (3D/3T/4Q+TB), the 2nd batch will consist of (3D/3T/4Q), and the 3rd batch will consist of (4D/4T/2Q) for each side and the batches will be 2 weeks apart. The finals will follow the same schedule as the 61 game wars but there will be no tiebreaker game exchanged during the course of the war.

Settings

Default Rules

-Only game types allowed are "Teams".
-Automatic initial troops only.
-All games must be sequential.
-All spoils, except zombie spoils*, are allowed.
-All forts, except "no forts", are allowed.
-There will be no round limits, unless otherwise noted.
-Trench is permitted in a maximum of 20% of home games (Any trench game must have a 30 round limit).
-Each map can only be used twice per clan per clan war but can only be used once per game type (i.e. once for triples and once for quads).
-No speed.
-Each clan will pick the map and settings for exactly half of the games.
-12 Hour Fog Rule will not be enforced unless agreed upon by both clans (TO will not enforce any penalties for violations).
-New settings that are implemented after the start of the Cup will be excluded from wars unless agreed to by clans on an individual war basis and approved by the TO, as provided the Clan Wars section above.
*Zombie spoils may be included if both clans agree.

Miscellaneous

Miscellaneous
Any abuse should be brought to the attention of the TO immediately.

Deliberately timing out in Escalating and Nuclear games to avoid taking a spoil will not be tolerated by any players.
This is not a common occurrence and we do not expect to see it happen at all but a rule should be in place to prevent abuse.
The first time a clan breaks this rule in the Cup the game must be re-made. [Unless other clan wants game to stand]
Each subsequent violation during the Cup will result in a forfeit of the game.

Decisions of the TO are final.

Clans submitting entry to the cup are deemed to have agreed to the rules.

Organization

For each clan war, the higher ranked clan will setup a thread to run that particular match. PLEASE PUT "[CC5]" (STANDS FOR CONQUEROR'S CUP 5) AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TITLE FOR EACH CLAN WAR. All games should be created using gaming privileges for each clan war. All game links should be kept up in the thread created for that clan match.

If someone feels a player has violated the number of games they are allowed to participate in, please bring it to the CD's attention. If they are found in violation, the opposing team will get to pick any games that the offending player was in from the last batch played equal to the number of games the went over the limit to restart without that player participating.

When games are sent, they must already be created by the home team. The home team will then have 48 hours to fully invite its players. The away clan will then have 48 hours to fill all the games. [Example: Sunday night exchange. Fully invited by home clan by Tuesday night. Fully invited by away clan by Thursday night.]

If your opponent is late on either sending/joining home games or joining games please notify the CD's immediately. There will be some leniency on running late, we will work out a date with the clans involved and set a date that games must be sent/joined by. If a clan is still late in sending/joining home games or joining games they will forfeit 1 game per day late. The opposing team will choose which game they forfeit from the batch of games in question (i.e. if a clan sends their home games 1 day late, the opposing team will choose one of those games the late clan forfeits once they receive them). The CD's will be checking the forums for every clan match to make sure they are being kept up properly, sent and joined on time, and the playing rules are being upheld. However, if any clan feels their opponents have broken a rule they should bring it to our attention immediately.

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Thu May 01, 2014 11:41 pm

Clans signed up

++The Legion++
1st codierose
2nd chemefreak

One Step Ahead
1st benga

Agents of the Chaotic Empire
1st angola
2nd jj3044

The Headless Horsemen
1st keefie
2nd johnny dickshot

Les Hussards Du Dragon
1st quiksilver
2nd momo33

The Fallen
1st icepack
2nd chapcrap

Memento Mori
1st themissionary
2nd drpall

Gladiators of Noxious
1st bantam
2nd legionnare

The Spanking Monkeys
1st friendly1
2nd skillfull

A Question of Honour
1st kuma32478
2nd treslie

The Fraternal Order of Exceptional Drinkers
1st uckuki
2nd RobbieDub

The Odd Fellows Union
1st doc_brown
2nd denise

Venimus, Vidimus, Vicimus
1st mint-murray
2nd mcshanester29

Mythology
1st woopintroysbutt
2nd deblakstan

Grim Reapers
1st xman5151
2nd kmhebert

Aeturnus
1st iAmCaffeine
2nd spudulica

Atlantis
1st shoop76
2nd bogangod

FISO
1st Updalions
2nd Vid_Fiso

Knights Templar
1st daveh
2nd generalalmighty

Legends of the Zone
1st rjhankey
2nd scaryteded

Spelunkers of Hell
1st dt03457
2nd umbrellaman

Fire and Dice
1st razorvich
2nd bergy1

Knights of the Round Table
1st fishydance
2nd bruceswar

The Walking Dead
1st sdh
2nd myturntowin

The New Crusade
1st mob deadly
2nd epitaph1

Retribution
1st therealdeal_37
2nd conde180711

Risk Attackers
1st Vioiet
2nd stotzi

The Royal Galaxy
1st Prince_Tottenham
2nd j1mathman

The Pack
1st jghost7
2nd grifftron

Pheonix
1st pearljamrox2
2nd WPBRJ

contact list

codierose
chemefreak
benga
angola
jj3044
keefie
johnny dickshot
quiksilver
momo33
icepack
chapcrap
themissionary
drpall
bantam
legionnare
friendly1
skillfull
kuma32478
treslie
uckuki
RobbieDub
doc_brown
denise
mint-murray
mcshanester29
woopintroysbutt
deblakstan
xman5151
kmhebert
iAmCaffeine
spudulica
shoop76
bogangod
Updalions
Vid_Fiso
daveh
generalalmighty
scaryteded
rjhankey
dt03457
umbrellaman
razorvich
bergy1
fishydance
bruceswar
sdh
myturntowin
mob deadly
epitaph1
therealdeal_37
conde180711
Vioiet
stotzi
Prince_Tottenham
j1mathman
jghost7
grifftron
pearljamrox2
WPBRJ
leehar
thecrown

Armandolas · Post by **Armandolas** » Tue May 13, 2014 5:21 pm

I believe GON will have a tough time against ACE

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Tue May 13, 2014 6:40 pm

Private message regarding timing sent to clan contacts.

Bruceswar · Post by **Bruceswar** » Tue May 13, 2014 10:22 pm

gl all

iAmCaffeine · Post by **iAmCaffeine** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:44 am

Armandolas wrote:I believe GON will have a tough time against ACE

I see what you did there.

Some interesting match-ups, like RA vs Myth, ATL vs GR, LEG vs TWD and then TSM vs ATN.

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:44 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:
Armandolas wrote:I believe GON will have a tough time against ACE
I see what you did there.

Some interesting match-ups, like RA vs Myth, ATL vs GR, LEG vs TWD and then TSM vs ATN.

I saw it too.

I think there are some really good ones out there. As soon as I posted the results I started razzing thecrown on Skype...talk about a tough match for a newer clan...

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:59 am

looking like a possible lhdd vs pack in the round of 16!

Post by **IcePack** » Wed May 14, 2014 12:31 pm

Should be fun! Looking forward to it. IF we proceeded to the end our path looks like this:

32: VVV
16: RET/FAD winner
8: ACE likely
4: PACK/TSM likely
Final: TOFU/KORT likely

PaRKoN · Post by **PaRKoN** » Wed May 14, 2014 3:28 pm

IcePack wrote:Should be fun! Looking forward to it. IF we proceeded to the end our path looks like this:

32: VVV
16: RET/FAD winner
8: ACE likely
4: PACK/TSM likely
Final: TOFU/KORT likely

That's a hell of path.

Post by **Lindax** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:03 pm

PaRKoN wrote:
IcePack wrote:Should be fun! Looking forward to it. IF we proceeded to the end our path looks like this:

32: VVV
16: RET/FAD winner
8: ACE likely
4: PACK/TSM likely
Final: TOFU/KORT likely
That's a hell of path.

It's also a hell of a lot of assuming....

Lx

iAmCaffeine · Post by **iAmCaffeine** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:01 pm

Lindax wrote:
PaRKoN wrote:
IcePack wrote:Should be fun! Looking forward to it. IF we proceeded to the end our path looks like this:

32: VVV
16: RET/FAD winner
8: ACE likely
4: PACK/TSM likely
Final: TOFU/KORT likely
That's a hell of path.
It's also a hell of a lot of assuming....

Lx

+1

Post by **IcePack** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:45 pm

Lindax wrote:
PaRKoN wrote:
IcePack wrote:Should be fun! Looking forward to it. IF we proceeded to the end our path looks like this:

32: VVV
16: RET/FAD winner
8: ACE likely
4: PACK/TSM likely
Final: TOFU/KORT likely
That's a hell of path.
It's also a hell of a lot of assuming....

Lx

That's why I wrote "IF" and not if, and assumed higher seeds prevail which is pretty typical, but not guaranteed. That I figured was just understood

laughingcavalier · Post by **laughingcavalier** » Wed May 14, 2014 5:47 pm

Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Wed May 14, 2014 6:14 pm

laughingcavalier wrote:Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.

Talk to your clan reps before you open your mouth here.

laughingcavalier · Post by **laughingcavalier** » Thu May 15, 2014 7:27 am

chemefreak wrote:
laughingcavalier wrote:Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.
Talk to your clan reps before you open your mouth here.

No.

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Thu May 15, 2014 4:42 pm

laughingcavalier wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
laughingcavalier wrote:Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.
Talk to your clan reps before you open your mouth here.
No.

Emmdizzle · Post by **Emmdizzle** » Sat May 17, 2014 6:59 pm

Why isnt GON playing KORT in the first round? The 3 seed gets an automatic bye??? I've never seen anything like it

jj3044 · Post by **jj3044** » Sat May 17, 2014 8:11 pm

Emmdizzle wrote:Why isnt GON playing KORT in the first round? The 3 seed gets an automatic bye??? I've never seen anything like it

They get a bye because they are CC4 finalists. The other finalist (ACE or TOFU) will get the second bye.

Emmdizzle · Post by **Emmdizzle** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:36 am

thanks:-)

smegal69 · Post by **smegal69** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:40 am

laughingcavalier wrote:Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.

or maybe the Cup should be run on a tighter schedule so that it only takes a year, 32 clans = 5 Rounds @ 70 days for a round, and 20 days to get it up and running.

josko.ri · Post by **josko.ri** » Wed May 21, 2014 7:22 am

smegal69 wrote:
laughingcavalier wrote:Why is this starting before we even know who is in the final of the previous cup?? This is just crazy scheduling and disrespectful to the clans still playing in the previous edition. Really you should put it on ice for a while.
or maybe the Cup should be run on a tighter schedule so that it only takes a year, 32 clans = 5 Rounds @ 70 days for a round, and 20 days to get it up and running.

There have been format proposal which pretty much solves this problem, which gives to top teams byes in early rounds, so then every next CCup can very much overlap with previous CCup, you can check how the proposed format looked here (format 3a, 3b on the bottom of the post): http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 0#p4109434
However, on that time Keefie have started his sending secret pms campaign to persuade lower clans to vote against that format proposal, and we have today format which was covered with format proposals 1&2. In terms of tournament duration, format 1 which we use now is not different than format 2 which was random draw, both of them would have the same duration, so only format 3 was proposing different duration. You can check what Keefie did in this post: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 5#p4125273

Because of his secret vote manipulation with sending secret pms behind the scene, while other players were instead of that writing their proposals in public threads where everyone can discuss them and give counter-opinions, we have today what we have, CCup editions which last longer than 1 years.

Format 3, if it was chosen, or if at least it was given fair voting treatment (not disturbed by his secret games behind scenes) would serve to clan world with two major advantages:
1) One edition of CCup would be several months shorter, because new edition would be possible to start earlier, because clans who progressed longer in past edition would get early byes to round of 16. As a result, clans who were eliminated early would get next chance much faster.
2) Lower clans would achieve more wins in CCup because the proposed format would ensure that two lower clans would play in round 1, and mid clans would join in round 2.

In comparing with this format where lower clans are more or less wiped out by huge margin in early round and then need to wait for more than 1 year until the next edition (some of them even stop to exist in that time period) it is pretty obvious which format is better for all clans, but in particular for lower clans. It is pity there were not enough ears to listen and that egos were too high when it was chance to do something really beneficial for CCup.

chemefreak · Post by **chemefreak** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:22 am

Anyone reading this should note that the players posting above are NOT the leaders of their clans. We have been working closely with and communicating openly with the leaders of the clans so as to avoid any issues. If the players above would simply talk to their leadership instead of spouting mindless rhetoric here it would be greatly appreciated. You will also note that my post explaining this previously was completely ignored so as to create an issue for the malcontents to complain about.

Looks like a few matches will be starting soon. So maybe some of this crap will quiet down. Cheers.

iAmCaffeine · Post by **iAmCaffeine** » Wed May 21, 2014 9:41 am

chemefreak wrote:Anyone reading this should note that the players posting above are NOT the leaders of their clans. We have been working closely with and communicating openly with the leaders of the clans so as to avoid any issues. If the players above would simply talk to their leadership instead of spouting mindless rhetoric here it would be greatly appreciated. You will also note that my post explaining this previously was completely ignored so as to create an issue for the malcontents to complain about.

Looks like a few matches will be starting soon. So maybe some of this crap will quiet down. Cheers.

Love you cheme.

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