Global Warming - Poll

[Phatscotty]

My adviser says climate change is an acceptable topic to talk about on the internet

[Metsfanmax]

How are you defining "Global Warming?"

[Phatscotty]

How are you defining "Global Warming?"

in general, to the average joe; climate change/global warming and if it's because of humanity or if it's natural or where on the scale people are.

[Dukasaur]

You took me out of your signature? And I was feeling so warm and fuzzy about that!

[Royal Panda]

There's no option "Man is accelerating the natural process", so I haven't voted.

[Phatscotty]

You took me out of your signature? And I was feeling so warm and fuzzy about that!

I'm on a Hans Zimmer tip today, so today it's all Zimmer clips. Be happy you even made my sig tho, I rarely quote people, and when I do, they are always good quotes, never underhanded cheap shots or gotchyas. My version of saxbucks I guess.

You now have 1 phatbuck, making it the only phatbuck in existence.

[Phatscotty]

There's no option "Man is accelerating the natural process", so I haven't voted.

I think that is encompassed by "It's likely (man is causing it)" or 'I totally believe it (mankind is causing it)' which depends on how strongly you feel that the topic is caused by mankind, not neccessarily at what rate tho.

[notyou2]

Your title should probably call it climate change, not global warming.

[Phatscotty]

Your title should probably call it climate change, not global warming.

Interesting point. What is the reason I should probably call it climate change instead of global warming?

[Ray Rider]

Your title should probably call it climate change, not global warming.

Interesting point. What is the reason I should probably call it climate change instead of global warming?

Cuz global warming is so 90s-ish, just like global cooling is so 70s-ish; we've moved on to a new century and have new fads and bandwagons now, even in climate "science"! Besides, if we call it climate change, it then becomes undeniable because the climate is always changing! So no matter if it gets hot or cold, we can blame it all on the same thing!

As for the poll, I voted it's possible but we don't have all the answers. And it doesn't help us get closer to the truth when climatologists are incentivized to produce the most catastrophic forecasts imaginable, nor when supposedly scientific bodies such as the IPCC become politicized. For that matter, nor does it help their cause when climate change alarmists love to scream about the environment while sitting in their comfortable Western home filled with goods made from petrochemicals, typing on a computer powered by electricity from coal fired power plants, after having flown to Hawaii for a winter holiday. If the alarmists really put their money where their mouth is, perhaps some of the rest of us would begin to believe them. But at the moment, there's far too many Al Gore-type hypocrites for people like me to take their cause seriously.

[rdsrds2120]

Your title should probably call it climate change, not global warming.

Interesting point. What is the reason I should probably call it climate change instead of global warming?

The two are separate concepts, and if you are truly talking about Global Warming, then your title is accurate. If you are talking about Climate Change (which, really, most people are when they talk about Global Warming), then that's a larger concept in general.

Climate change is the overall change in Earth's global climate, and Global Warming, among many other factors, can produce that change. Global Warming can be an inaccurate title because not only do most current concerns care about average yearly temperature increases, but also the changes in precipitation rates, weather anomalies, how quickly the seasons are changing, etc.

RayRider is saying things, but I don't think he read it before he posted. Or maybe he did. That's scarier.

--Gomez

[Ray Rider]

RayRider is saying things, but I don't think he read it before he posted. Or maybe he did. That's scarier.

lol I think I'm just in an argumentative mood.

[DaGip]

Kill Human! Human BAAAD!!!!

[Gillipig]

When it comes to the experts on the area no one is arguing that global warming doesn't exist, and no one with at least one braincell is denying that the climate is getting warmer. Very few are arguing that the climate is getting warmer because of natural causes, and very few of those who are arguing that have not been paid off by companies to say so. That's all you need to know to really.

[DaGip]

Yet, it's been the coldest EVER in South Dakota and similarly other states. I think the "Warming" part of Global is flawed. That's why "climate change" is being used more often by the experts, because the effects of Capitalist Pigs polluting the whole planet goes beyond just "warming". Its effects reach farther than just that. Yes, sometimes it's hotter than normal. Yes, sometimes it's colder than normal. Yes, sometimes it's windier than normal....and so on. The fact is that humans have screwed up the ecosystem with their industrialized poisons and junk. Capitalists put profits over the environment and human safety. They always will until they are defeated by their own so-called "democracy". Now we have Fukushima to worry about. Fukushima happened not because of an earthquake and tsunami, it happened because of greed. Wake up, you guys! We have to do something! (like write forum posts at ConquerClub)

[Metsfanmax]

But at the moment, there's far too many Al Gore-type hypocrites for people like me to take their cause seriously.

Al Gore's carbon footprint is essentially zero. His personal home is zero-carbon and he purchases offsets for all of the travel that requires him to burn fossil fuels. So why is he a hypocrite? I'd say he did put his money where his mouth is.

[Dukasaur]

Yet, it's been the coldest EVER in South Dakota and similarly other states. I think the "Warming" part of Global is flawed.

Here in Ontario, we have much the same experience. This winter has broken or equalled many records. Overall it was the coldest winter in almost 50 years. We had the coldest February ever, almost double the average amount of snowfall, set a new record for number of consecutive days with snow on the ground, on and on and on and on. By every measurement possible this has been an unusually cold and tough winter.

However, while here in Ontario we've been brutalized by the snow, most of Europe had almost no snow at all. In early January, while we were struggling with record snowfalls, Europe had a spring thaw. In China, temperatures were 1.5 degrees Celsius above average. South America, India, Africa, Australia, Greenland, Alaska all had warmer-than-average temperatures for January.

This map puts it in perspective:

Click image to enlarge.

Much of Canada, the eastern half of the U.S., and a big chunk of Siberia were freezing. The rest of the world was warm-to-hot.

Of course while we were suffering though our sixtieth consecutive day of snow, one heard all the predictable jokes about "if this is global warming, I'd hate to see what it looks like when it cools down." But for anyone who looks beyond their home region and at the world in general, global warming is alive and well.

[notyou2]

Yeah.

[danfrank666]

My first post here on CC Phatscotty should be honoured . although i believe that there is not enough evidence that would indicate man-made , levels of carbon in the atmosphere during the volcanic period produced what we all enjoy today. Does the SUN burn at the same temperature constantly , is there an outside force contributing to whatchamacallit

[oVo]

Water levels have been high in the past and the temperature fluctuations recorded are not unique in this planet's history. BUT one significant difference to previous eras is the 100 million annual increase in carbon dioxide added to the atmosphere.

The additional carbon dioxide trapped in our atmosphere does impact the planet. Dry regions will be dryer, wet areas will be wetter and low lying areas near the oceans will have problems.

Ecologically, if warmer temperatures move away from the equator and waters rise, people can relocate to safer and more comfortable zones. Many animals and plants are less adaptable and will suffer the consequences of these changes.

[tzor]

I believe man made changes do impact our environment. This impact, on the other hand, is generally not covered by "Global warming" or "Climate change." Let's just consider the major corporate meat factories; dumping enough nitrogen into the waters to cause whole areas of the seas to be without enough oxygen to sustain life. Or the continual slashing and burning of tropical rainforests, a completely ineffective way of providing acreage for farming. Is man made CO2 causing temperatures to change, or is it being absorbed into the oceans helping the destruction of coral reefs? Does it really help if we cut our emissions when China's coal based output is far greater and far dirtier?

More importantly, climate change happens whether we do it or not. Who cares who is to blame? We need to work on ways to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and provide fresh water to everyone whether or not we are the cause or Mother Nature. Actually fresh water has been our only major problem. It has been a problem, it is a problem and it will always be a problem.

[notyou2]

Tropical fish are being seen in greater numbers in non-tropical waters.

Here is a link to just one article on it, and there are many articles.

http://www.southernfriedscience.com/?p=15607

[oVo]

A few more of these and human damage to our environment may not matter.

Speaking of matter, it can't be created or destroyed so maybe we will still be here after we're gone.

[Trevor33]

There's no option "Man is accelerating the natural process", so I haven't voted.

Yeah It's categorized terribly.

[Phatscotty]

There's no option "Man is accelerating the natural process", so I haven't voted.

Yeah It's categorized terribly.

again, its about how much if at all people think man is the cause or not. You are trying to jump past the results of this poll to ask the next question...'since man IS/ISN'T, then at what rate"

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