The Village of Secrets [GAME OVER] Werewolves Win!

[pancakemix]

Mind you, all of them were under suspect for different reasons and a few do question me, but no one seems to put their vote behind it fully. Also they were under pressure by DIFFERENT people. So that does not tell a whole lot either.

True, but it stands to reason that both numberswise and playwise, that list makes a good starting point.

pcm, on the vote count you quoted. RD was town, Anark everyone seems to agree (everyone as in majority) is town. So that leaves spiesr, MP and Storr on that wagon. I feel MP and Storr are townish so if Jonty DOES flip town, my eyes would be on spiesr personally. But I don't think he will. Who knows, if jonty flips mafia like I think he will at the current moment, spiesr might have a free pass as not mafia.

I was referring to those on the RD lynch. Even in the event that jonty flips town, I'd still have town reads on those players, mainly because of the consistency and assurance with which they have voted him.

[kgb007]

KGB voted no lynch. That got popular for a hot minute yesterday, but then kgb peaced out for a few day and made us all jealous of his vacation. So KGB, I have a question for you: if you had been around at the end of D1, who would you have voted for?

HotShot did not vote. Question for HotShot: Why no vote? 13 of us found something to get behind but you didn't, and that's odd for a D1 as active as ours was.

Actually I was gone for the first half of the day phase returning for the last few days. It was right around that time the no lynch idea was picking up steam and given the 3 primary voting options of jonty, RD and no lynch, I wasn't going to vote to lynch a claimed town PR in case we were wrong and I believed RD was a victim of some poorly worded posts and sarcasm but nothing particularly scummy so I stuck to no lynch option as the day came to a close

Obviously I've changed my mind on jonty given the events of last night and his behavior today.

[HotShot53]

HotShot did not vote. Question for HotShot: Why no vote? 13 of us found something to get behind but you didn't, and that's odd for a D1 as active as ours was.

As I posted just before the clock ticked down to zero on RD:

Of the 3 people who claimed today, I am 99% sure nark is clean, and maybe 75% on jonty and RD... of the 2, RD wants to give up, and jonty can be much more useful especially if he is the vig he claims, so I agree with lynching RD over jonty, but since I think RD is probably town I'll let the clock drop the hammer on her instead of voting her. It's too late to start a new case now... so I guess not much to do but wait for the clock

My feeling on jonty have changed since then... I'd say it's more like 60% scum/40% town feel on him now. With that said, I'd rather spend the day looking around a little first before lynching him.

I still think jmac looks pretty scummy, and jonty defending him (as rishead defended jonty) could be a nice little scum group there... unfortunately, it seems that voting jmac hasn't gotten enough steam to go anywhere today.

As for the case on Whatsausage, I don't know what to think yet, his last post had some scummy feel to it definitely, but looking back at his day one posts, they had more of a town feel to me. He just needs to start posting more, as lack of activity can also be considered scummy.

In conclusion, I will leave my vote on jmac as he seems the most scummy to me right now, I will wait to hear more from Whatsausage (or decide he is scummarizing) before deciding if I should switch to him, and don't want to vote jonty and end the day yet.

[spiesr]

I wasn't going to vote to lynch a claimed town PR in case we were wrong.

Okay, under what circumstances would you be willing to do so?

[kgb007]

I'm not sure I understand the question. Do you mean under what circumstances would I consider voting for a claimed town PR in D1 or in general? I didn't get a scummy vibe from Jonty's posts yesterday, coupled with it being D1 and a claimed PR made little sense to me to put it to the test so early in the game.

With the information (or lack thereof) since D2 started and Jonty's critique of my theory of possible N1 actions, I've since changed my mind. Hats off to mafia if they deliberately decided not to kill in order to paint Jonty into a corner. Although Jonty probably shouldn't have announced it as a possibility during D1, thus planting the seed in their minds. If I was in Jonty's position and knew myself to be town, I'd be working much harder than he is to appeal to everyone and particularly those who have voted Jonty to stay alive.

[Whatsausage]

So why did you use half your post to speculate about something and then conclude that we can't know anything about it now?

I'd call it closer to a third of my post, and it was to demonstrate how futile speculation on what happened the first night was without any actual knowledge.

You just announced you are either scum or a Power Role. Nice move, dip.... VTs don't have names in this game...

So either I vote you cuz you are scum or scum kills you, knowing you are a PR... Brilliant.

Well, if I am following the logic correctly, the majority is saying the only VTs must be Anark, hotshot, and the late RD, because hotshot and RD said anark’s claim was “believable”. Kgb has also stated a couple times that ris also said that, but rereading I didn’t find that. So could you, kgb, show me what you are talking about? So if this is the case, the scum will only target others because they must be PR’s or other faction. What I am questioning with that group, is the hedging that came to start it from anark. VTs do have names in this game, they are “Town Villagers.” This is basically the center of this theory that you and hotshot are cleared as VTs because of RDs flip. Hotshot has since the flip almost flat out said he should be because of this. I am just not 100% certain of your and hotshot’s merits just from this.

I have made my position fairly clear on Jonty and Anarch is Town in my book..

Today I believe the best lynch would be Whatsausge as well though Virus is on my radar as well. His list post raised eyebrows and he has not answered about his comment on the games he has played with Stor. No one seems interested in Virus at the moment and we need a consensus.

Can I ask why I would be the best lynch for today? The case on me has basically been that I had my post bringing up a new idea (albeit perhaps a little radical, but just something to consider) which was followed by basically an OMGUS vote from anark. Which he followed up saying that I said “we townsfolk” (which I did) and therefore make the mistake(?) of talking like I am a member of the town. Which I guess is scummy because while I know I am town, you all can’t be as sure…

[superkeener]

Official Vote Count 2.4

Anarkistsdream (0):
HotShot53 (0):
Iron Butterfly (0):
jak111 (1): jonty125
Jmac1026 (2): MudPuppy, HotShot53
L-2 jonty125 (5): spiesr, StorrZerg, kgb007, pancakemix, jak111
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
virus90 (0):
Whatsausage (2): Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly
StorrZerg (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting: Jmac1026, Whatsausage, virus90

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Deadline for DAY 2 is: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

[jak111]

Deadline for DAY 2 is: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

This is COMPLETELY off topic... but that's the day my stuff I ordered from Amazon should arrive >:) Perfect day to listen to the music and play the games without having to check online every few hours LOL.

Now on topic, yeah, I think Jonty is the clear winner for today's lynch. I don't think he's really come back to defend himself fully yet has he?

[MudPuppy]

Just a few days left and not much movement on the voting front lately. We still have 3 non-voters that I'd really like to hear from. Jmac was questioning jak's kill block theory; sausage FOS'd Nark; and virus has a scum read on me and suspects jmac but has a neutral or town read on everyone else including a townish read on Jonty.

Where do you three non-voters think we she go for the rest of the day? Anyone you want to use your votes to pressure?

[Jmac1026]

Just a few days left and not much movement on the voting front lately. We still have 3 non-voters that I'd really like to hear from. Jmac was questioning jak's kill block theory; sausage FOS'd Nark; and virus has a scum read on me and suspects jmac but has a neutral or town read on everyone else including a townish read on Jonty.

Where do you three non-voters think we she go for the rest of the day? Anyone you want to use your votes to pressure?

Pologies for not participating the last few days. Unlike most folks, weekends are not my free time, but are when I tend to work. Once I get off this afternoon, I'll look over things and make a post.

[kgb007]

for whatsausage's benefit

vote No lynch. The reasons are simple.
1. I have reason to believe both claims, and Jonty wouldn't be claiming a town vig this early, unless its a elaborate ploy by scum.
2. The night tonight will give us a lot of information. (How many killing factions and so on).
3. I don't know why Jak wants jonty to kill tonight. He has practically no information, and its worse than a mislynch, if he shoots wrong, because we don't get any voting information from it.
4. With two factions I don't know how many mislynches are available to town before they cannot win.

[jonty125]

Deadline for DAY 2 is: Wednesday, April 16, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.

This is COMPLETELY off topic... but that's the day my stuff I ordered from Amazon should arrive >:) Perfect day to listen to the music and play the games without having to check online every few hours LOL.

Now on topic, yeah, I think Jonty is the clear winner for today's lynch. I don't think he's really come back to defend himself fully yet has he?

I feel I've defended myself. I'm effectively a VT. I'll take the lynch.

[kgb007]

Mod - if nobody has 7 votes against them, do we end the day without a lynch? I've been playing a couple games recently that enforce a lynch at the end of the day no matter what

[jak111]

Mod - if nobody has 7 votes against them, do we end the day without a lynch? I've been playing a couple games recently that enforce a lynch at the end of the day no matter what

We require 7 votes, he said it at the beginning of the day. At the moment it seems people are going to drag this out to the end. A little less than 2 full days left.

[StorrZerg]

Lets not have a no-lynch happen today....

Jmac1026, Whatsausage, virus90

Voice your opinion with a vote...
And back up your vote with some insight...


Also
Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, MudPuppy, HotShot53

You 4 have votes on 2 different people.
At this time unless any of you puts some serious effort, or backing up with something serious, do you really expect a lynch to happen from your current choice?

[StorrZerg]

let me rephrase that last part...

Unless any of you put in a lot of effort to get votes to switch, its not going to happen.

[Anarkistsdream]

Lets not have a no-lynch happen today....

Jmac1026, Whatsausage, virus90

Voice your opinion with a vote...
And back up your vote with some insight...


Also
Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, MudPuppy, HotShot53

You 4 have votes on 2 different people.
At this time unless any of you puts some serious effort, or backing up with something serious, do you really expect a lynch to happen from your current choice?

You have to vote who you think is scum.... Whatsausage is scum...

[StorrZerg]

and you have to understand then... whatsausage is not going to be lynched, unless you convince others to push on him...

[Anarkistsdream]

and you have to understand then... whatsausage is not going to be lynched, unless you convince others to push on him...

I gave my point... IB also voted him... IB gave his point. In this game, I see no reason to try harder than I am. Stubborn fools voting Jonty will realize their mistake when he dies.

[StorrZerg]

one does not simply win mafia by being right, but by convincing others of the right path...

So we had talk before regarding lynching... you gonna be happy to see this day hit no lynch?

[MudPuppy]

Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, MudPuppy, HotShot53

You 4 have votes on 2 different people.
At this time unless any of you puts some serious effort, or backing up with something serious, do you really expect a lynch to happen from your current choice?

I still like jmac for my vote. Jonty has said some weird things, though... Jonty, can you explain how a townie with no limit on his nightly killing ability can, in any way, be considered a VT???

Still not sure what the no votes are waiting for.

[jonty125]

Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, MudPuppy, HotShot53

You 4 have votes on 2 different people.
At this time unless any of you puts some serious effort, or backing up with something serious, do you really expect a lynch to happen from your current choice?

I still like jmac for my vote. Jonty has said some weird things, though... Jonty, can you explain how a townie with no limit on his nightly killing ability can, in any way, be considered a VT???

Still not sure what the no votes are waiting for.

Because I have no intention of shooting.

[MudPuppy]

Jonty, can you explain how a townie with no limit on his nightly killing ability can, in any way, be considered a VT???

Because I have no intention of shooting.

Ever??? Even if you held your shot tonight the potential of you being able to shoot scum in the future makes you far more valuable to town than a VT.
Why not shoot tonight? I can see you holding your fire N1... but by now you don't have a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone? There are at least a couple I'd be willing to take aim at if I were the town vig.

[pancakemix]

You have to vote who you think is scum.... Whatsausage is scum...

I fail to understand what exactly the rationale behind this is. The case is tenuous at best, and we are talking about someone whose experience with mafia (as far as I can tell) is limited to Emotions Mafia, so nitpicking on minor things isn't the way to go here, I think.

Anarkistsdream, Iron Butterfly, MudPuppy, HotShot53

You 4 have votes on 2 different people.
At this time unless any of you puts some serious effort, or backing up with something serious, do you really expect a lynch to happen from your current choice?

I still like jmac for my vote. Jonty has said some weird things, though... Jonty, can you explain how a townie with no limit on his nightly killing ability can, in any way, be considered a VT???

Still not sure what the no votes are waiting for.

Because I have no intention of shooting.

Then you are a waste, and more likely than not a liar.

If we don't lynch today, this game is going to stagnate. If the game stagnates, scum will win. Even if jonty isn't your strongest scum read, if you have a scum read on him it's advisable to vote him for that reason alone.

Although I think by rule jonty would be lynched at the end of the day. Mod, can you back this up?

[jonty125]

but by now you don't have a strong enough scum read to take a shot at someone? There are at least a couple I'd be willing to take aim at if I were the town vig.

Risk vs. Reward. Mathematically I'm much more likely to shoot town, than mafia. Let's say I was to shoot jak tonight, if he's cop, he's dead, no chance for me to say oh wait, no I don't want to shoot him. I could easily screw town's chances by shooting in the early days. I may shoot as LYLO approaches, but I'm not gonna live that long am I?