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Agent 86 wrote:stealth99 wrote:It all comes down to the dice stats. If they are within the norm then this thing is busted and done like dinner. And yes, you don't just look at your own games with a guy. Believe it or not, this game is actually won by skill and not dice. If there is a significant difference in skill levels, the dice will never save you.
Lol, really so I better not beat a General then..their skill will beat my dice everytime
betiko wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Sure, he exploited something that CC said was acceptable. They'll probably change their minds and call it "gross abuse," but I digress.
G-O is still a worthy opponent. I'm not sure why people get so butthurt about the latest Conqueror drama.
I have no problem with people doing what they need to do to become conqueror; I do however have a problem with people that flip-flop between decisions, that's all.
Not sure how they can deem this type of play "gross abuse" when it is totally within the rules; no missed turns, no hostage taking etc. a person has 24 hours to make a move, period!
I saw someone say that GO would never do such thing before this happened, that he was "classier" than that. I ve never seen ollie say such thing though. Not sure he s responsible of what people think he will/won t do.
betiko wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Sure, he exploited something that CC said was acceptable. They'll probably change their minds and call it "gross abuse," but I digress.
G-O is still a worthy opponent. I'm not sure why people get so butthurt about the latest Conqueror drama.
I have no problem with people doing what they need to do to become conqueror; I do however have a problem with people that flip-flop between decisions, that's all.
Not sure how they can deem this type of play "gross abuse" when it is totally within the rules; no missed turns, no hostage taking etc. a person has 24 hours to make a move, period!
I saw someone say that GO would never do such thing before this happened, that he was "classier" than that. I ve never seen ollie say such thing though. Not sure he s responsible of what people think he will/won t do.
codeblue1018 wrote:betiko wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Sure, he exploited something that CC said was acceptable. They'll probably change their minds and call it "gross abuse," but I digress.
G-O is still a worthy opponent. I'm not sure why people get so butthurt about the latest Conqueror drama.
I have no problem with people doing what they need to do to become conqueror; I do however have a problem with people that flip-flop between decisions, that's all.
Not sure how they can deem this type of play "gross abuse" when it is totally within the rules; no missed turns, no hostage taking etc. a person has 24 hours to make a move, period!
I saw someone say that GO would never do such thing before this happened, that he was "classier" than that. I ve never seen ollie say such thing though. Not sure he s responsible of what people think he will/won t do.
He did say that he wouldn't resort to these tactics to achieve conqueror in a post that he quoted me on. I'll have to see if I can find it.
Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:betiko wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Sure, he exploited something that CC said was acceptable. They'll probably change their minds and call it "gross abuse," but I digress.
G-O is still a worthy opponent. I'm not sure why people get so butthurt about the latest Conqueror drama.
I have no problem with people doing what they need to do to become conqueror; I do however have a problem with people that flip-flop between decisions, that's all.
Not sure how they can deem this type of play "gross abuse" when it is totally within the rules; no missed turns, no hostage taking etc. a person has 24 hours to make a move, period!
I saw someone say that GO would never do such thing before this happened, that he was "classier" than that. I ve never seen ollie say such thing though. Not sure he s responsible of what people think he will/won t do.
He did say that he wouldn't resort to these tactics to achieve conqueror in a post that he quoted me on. I'll have to see if I can find it.
It was in the should we call it a josko.ri thread. I did however at the end of the thread publicly announce what i was going to do. I really think you guys need to concentrate on more important things in life rather then finding things to dis credit me. Personally i don't give a crap, I'm just sayin. All the mud slinging going around about me since a spiked my score to achieve conqueror is ridiculous. I did not break any site rules so why do you not give it a rest people. I think that on any given day anyone who set's their mind to it can beat anyone else on this site. I do not consider myself a super player, but i do consider myself well versed in all game styles, types, ect. As for my dice, they are just like everyone else who plays on this site, unpredictable. I did go 9 for 10 against DJBandit, but also went 2 for 9 against BRADDY. So i guess all my good dice rolls where against DJ and bad one's against BRADDY? lol
codeblue1018 wrote:Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:betiko wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:Sure, he exploited something that CC said was acceptable. They'll probably change their minds and call it "gross abuse," but I digress.
G-O is still a worthy opponent. I'm not sure why people get so butthurt about the latest Conqueror drama.
I have no problem with people doing what they need to do to become conqueror; I do however have a problem with people that flip-flop between decisions, that's all.
Not sure how they can deem this type of play "gross abuse" when it is totally within the rules; no missed turns, no hostage taking etc. a person has 24 hours to make a move, period!
I saw someone say that GO would never do such thing before this happened, that he was "classier" than that. I ve never seen ollie say such thing though. Not sure he s responsible of what people think he will/won t do.
He did say that he wouldn't resort to these tactics to achieve conqueror in a post that he quoted me on. I'll have to see if I can find it.
It was in the should we call it a josko.ri thread. I did however at the end of the thread publicly announce what i was going to do. I really think you guys need to concentrate on more important things in life rather then finding things to dis credit me. Personally i don't give a crap, I'm just sayin. All the mud slinging going around about me since a spiked my score to achieve conqueror is ridiculous. I did not break any site rules so why do you not give it a rest people. I think that on any given day anyone who set's their mind to it can beat anyone else on this site. I do not consider myself a super player, but i do consider myself well versed in all game styles, types, ect. As for my dice, they are just like everyone else who plays on this site, unpredictable. I did go 9 for 10 against DJBandit, but also went 2 for 9 against BRADDY. So i guess all my good dice rolls where against DJ and bad one's against BRADDY? lol
Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless. You've received the same muds sligging as anyone else that got to the top in the fashion you did; I have no problem with it as I've said all along. When you say one thing and do another is when I laugh and discredit you, not that you care of course, but nonetheless. Obviously, this particular status means the world to you, so enjoy the medal pal
codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
This all coming from a player with a 3.3 rating, and known troublemaker.![]()
rhp 1 wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
when was this time? not to sound sarcastic, but I think I missed it... most every conquerer has had some kind of issue in the past (I'm sure there are some rare exceptions).. have they been issues in proportion to what is going on now? no.. ofc not.. but a list of so called "honorable and clean" conquerers would be cool if you have a second... I'm sure with a little research, you could call into question the legitimacy of most of the conquerers.. maybe not gross abuse, or a point ponzi issue, but lesser offenses ie.. controling games/maps/settings etc.. fs farmers, "inviters"... etc, etc, etc.. I point this out, not because it's of any importance to me, just that it will be the case...
and btw.. even former conquerers with "issues" imo, aren't lesser players simply due to the fact that they might have manipulated their score in some way... I would still give anyone props for being conquerer.. whether it's strictly skill, or score manipulation (in whatever guise) + skill, is not relevant (to me at least) as they still did it... and if they didn't break a rule(s), then there really isn't anything else to argue about.. unless you're just bored.... in which case? by all means, carry on
codeblue1018 wrote:Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
This all coming from a player with a 3.3 rating, and known troublemaker.![]()
Wow, original Ollie - it was a 2.5, get it right; you are correct, it's a 3.3 now. Kinda like your gpa in school; you know, as bad as it was and when you decided to get better grades it took longer to rise. A lot easier to go low and a lot harder to bring it up. See my rating will continue to rise while your reputation will continue to decline, it's all relative I guess eh? Nonetheless, since you decided to sling mud, right back at ya. As far as my reputation? Lol. Live in the present pal, not the past; this way you'll have a clue about your current predictament. I'd much rather have my "reputation" than a two faced, multi clown as yourself.
Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Great-Ollie wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Foxglove wrote:codeblue1018 wrote:Don't flatter yourself Ollie; no one gives a shit whether you were conqueror or not. That particular status means absolutely nothing anymore; it's meaningless.
Not true! It means exactly what it always has: Conqueror means that the person who holds that title has the most points of all active players.
It doesn't mean that the person is the best player of the game ever or the best overall player.
It doesn't mean that the person is a CC role model or a CC villian.
It doesn't mean that the person is honorable or a cheater.
It never has.
Not true Foxy; Not to relive the past, but there was a time when a conqueror meant a few things: most points of course, a great overall player/strategist and most importantly, an honorable and clean player. These charactoristics have been diminished over the years unfortunately, however.
This all coming from a player with a 3.3 rating, and known troublemaker.![]()
Wow, original Ollie - it was a 2.5, get it right; you are correct, it's a 3.3 now. Kinda like your gpa in school; you know, as bad as it was and when you decided to get better grades it took longer to rise. A lot easier to go low and a lot harder to bring it up. See my rating will continue to rise while your reputation will continue to decline, it's all relative I guess eh? Nonetheless, since you decided to sling mud, right back at ya. As far as my reputation? Lol. Live in the present pal, not the past; this way you'll have a clue about your current predictament. I'd much rather have my "reputation" than a two faced, multi clown as yourself.
Dude you are doing nothing but proving my point. We used to make fun of you in the Pack days for being such a clown. You have the 3.3 rating because you cannot keep your yap shut, hence the stupid shit you spam all over the forums. Secondly there have been 2 separate threads regarding me being a multi and both where cleared. PERIOD. I was given a vacation for account sharing, which was not my fault but i took the punishment in stride. Now please continue to troll in all threads like you do, looks good on your rating, and your reputation! I for one am very sad that TSM, a clan who i respect greatly, have such a ass clown such as yourself.
Dukasaur wrote:This topic made me curious, so I decided to have a look at some of the disciplinary records here. Don't ask me to name names or provide any evidence, since I'm looking at stuff that is in many cases confidential, but speaking just as a disinterested archivist, I find the following statistics:
30 Conquerors
Completely clean
13
Numerous minor offenses such as chat abuse but no real cheating
2
Busted Multi, with or without multiple instances of SD
6
Busted for account hijacking or turn-sitting abuse
3
At least one known case of SD
6
So, we have an almost perfect 50/50 split of cheaters and non-cheaters.
What really interested me, however, was if there was any truth to the popular perception that cheating has gotten worse over time. In fact, I found the opposite to be true. When I broke up the list of conquerors into the old guard (achieved conq. status on or before October 25th, 2011) and the new (those who achieved conq. status since then) I found that there were only 8 non-cheaters among the 18 old-guard conquerors, whereas 7 of the last 12 have been non-cheaters.
Seems like people tend to colour the past. It's kind of like real life. We hear about horrific crimes being committed now and see ourselves living in the middle of a crime epidemic, but in actual fact the horrific crimes today are the anomalies, and horrific crimes in the past were much more common.
Dukasaur wrote:This topic made me curious, so I decided to have a look at some of the disciplinary records here. Don't ask me to name names or provide any evidence, since I'm looking at stuff that is in many cases confidential, but speaking just as a disinterested archivist, I find the following statistics:
30 Conquerors
Completely clean
13
Numerous minor offenses such as chat abuse but no real cheating
2
Busted Multi, with or without multiple instances of SD
6
Busted for account hijacking or turn-sitting abuse
3
At least one known case of SD
6
So, we have an almost perfect 50/50 split of cheaters and non-cheaters.
What really interested me, however, was if there was any truth to the popular perception that cheating has gotten worse over time. In fact, I found the opposite to be true. When I broke up the list of conquerors into the old guard (achieved conq. status on or before October 25th, 2011) and the new (those who achieved conq. status since then) I found that there were only 8 non-cheaters among the 18 old-guard conquerors, whereas 7 of the last 12 have been non-cheaters.
Seems like people tend to colour the past. It's kind of like real life. We hear about horrific crimes being committed now and see ourselves living in the middle of a crime epidemic, but in actual fact the horrific crimes today are the anomalies, and horrific crimes in the past were much more common.
Gabriel13 wrote:GO is one of the best players on this site. It is not his dice, it's his strategy.
drunkmonkey wrote:I'm filing a C&A report right now. Its nice because they have a drop-down for "jefjef".
Dukasaur wrote:This topic made me curious, so I decided to have a look at some of the disciplinary records here. Don't ask me to name names or provide any evidence, since I'm looking at stuff that is in many cases confidential, but speaking just as a disinterested archivist, I find the following statistics:
30 Conquerors
Completely clean
13
Numerous minor offenses such as chat abuse but no real cheating
2
Busted Multi, with or without multiple instances of SD
6
Busted for account hijacking or turn-sitting abuse
3
At least one known case of SD
6
So, we have an almost perfect 50/50 split of cheaters and non-cheaters.
What really interested me, however, was if there was any truth to the popular perception that cheating has gotten worse over time. In fact, I found the opposite to be true. When I broke up the list of conquerors into the old guard (achieved conq. status on or before October 25th, 2011) and the new (those who achieved conq. status since then) I found that there were only 8 non-cheaters among the 18 old-guard conquerors, whereas 7 of the last 12 have been non-cheaters.
Seems like people tend to colour the past. It's kind of like real life. We hear about horrific crimes being committed now and see ourselves living in the middle of a crime epidemic, but in actual fact the horrific crimes today are the anomalies, and horrific crimes in the past were much more common.
Dukasaur wrote:This topic made me curious, so I decided to have a look at some of the disciplinary records here. Don't ask me to name names or provide any evidence, since I'm looking at stuff that is in many cases confidential, but speaking just as a disinterested archivist, I find the following statistics:
30 Conquerors
Completely clean
13
Numerous minor offenses such as chat abuse but no real cheating
2
Busted Multi, with or without multiple instances of SD
6
Busted for account hijacking or turn-sitting abuse
3
At least one known case of SD
6
So, we have an almost perfect 50/50 split of cheaters and non-cheaters.
What really interested me, however, was if there was any truth to the popular perception that cheating has gotten worse over time. In fact, I found the opposite to be true. When I broke up the list of conquerors into the old guard (achieved conq. status on or before October 25th, 2011) and the new (those who achieved conq. status since then) I found that there were only 8 non-cheaters among the 18 old-guard conquerors, whereas 7 of the last 12 have been non-cheaters.
Seems like people tend to colour the past. It's kind of like real life. We hear about horrific crimes being committed now and see ourselves living in the middle of a crime epidemic, but in actual fact the horrific crimes today are the anomalies, and horrific crimes in the past were much more common.
JOHNNYROCKET24 wrote:Dukasaur wrote:This topic made me curious, so I decided to have a look at some of the disciplinary records here. Don't ask me to name names or provide any evidence, since I'm looking at stuff that is in many cases confidential, but speaking just as a disinterested archivist, I find the following statistics:
30 Conquerors
Completely clean
13
Numerous minor offenses such as chat abuse but no real cheating
2
Busted Multi, with or without multiple instances of SD
6
Busted for account hijacking or turn-sitting abuse
3
At least one known case of SD
6
So, we have an almost perfect 50/50 split of cheaters and non-cheaters.
What really interested me, however, was if there was any truth to the popular perception that cheating has gotten worse over time. In fact, I found the opposite to be true. When I broke up the list of conquerors into the old guard (achieved conq. status on or before October 25th, 2011) and the new (those who achieved conq. status since then) I found that there were only 8 non-cheaters among the 18 old-guard conquerors, whereas 7 of the last 12 have been non-cheaters.
Seems like people tend to colour the past. It's kind of like real life. We hear about horrific crimes being committed now and see ourselves living in the middle of a crime epidemic, but in actual fact the horrific crimes today are the anomalies, and horrific crimes in the past were much more common.
Do you have me listed as old or new since I was conqueror prior to Oct 25 2011 and afterwards ? I just dint want to pad your stats either direction.
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