[GON 2nd mafia game] The townies won

[jusplay4fun]

I think that King Ed makes lots of sense. I agree that his ideas have merit and need to be considered.

I will also say that I think many have been "encouraged" (even manipulated) to vote to lynch townies, something I have been trying to warn against. Every time I argue to lynch LIKELY Mafia, someone tries to change the vote to LYNCH quite ones, even if there is NO EVIDENCE they are Mafia. As has been said already, we are 0-2 on the LYNCHINGS and TWO important townies have been killed, once lynched and one shot at night.

So carefully examine who is manipulating the votes.

[jusplay4fun]

I have gone back and Read Tuffy's postings on page 46 (for a third time) and find little there that helps me or enlightens me about who may be Mafia.

Anyone want to interpret for me?

[jusplay4fun]

Again, I agree with King Ed here:

Here is some of my thoughts on this matter. On pg.12 after he got 3votes, TC comes up with a list of suspects & an oversight of the game. I think that was to take the heat off of him. From then on TC suggested who to look at & people followed. When DB got close to be lynched it changed to kill & then when he spoke it changed to Ragot & we all know what happened to him!!!! I think mafia is putting suggestions out there & seeing who will follow so they can lynch by day. further down on pg. 12 Gabsensei calls TC out by saying [ I can see what your doing you know and its working with most of the people but to me your not talking enough] What did he mean by that statement??? 3 posts later Gab. unvotes TC & votes DB. Now on day 2 the 1st vote is made by Gab. with a list of suspects like TC. had. I'm a new player but this looks like a pattern. So if the town wants to be controlled by the mafia so be it. It really doesn't matter to me if you people kill each other off !!!!!!

[SiriusCowKing]

Day 3 vote count:

King Edward 3rd - TheCrown, archer3base
TheCrown - King Edward 3rd


With 15 players in the game it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Deadline is in 9 days

[TheCrown]

@King Ed, you seem to put a lot into a statement from Tuffy that only YOU see what you want to see. I understand if you're mafia that you'd want to get me out of the game. You seem so sure, but if you were to lynch me and I turned up townie, how would you explain yourself? There are no 100%s in this game, as I am not 100% sure that you are mafia, but you are taking one quote from Tuffy, turning it to mean what you think, and running with it. If Tuffy HAD investigated me and I came up innocent, then how the heck would he THEN know I was the godfather? Based on my actions?

I want you to go back to day one and see how much crasp, mafia roleblocker, came after me and we fought. Tell me that a known mafia would try to get another mafia lynched when no one else was looking my way. Figure out that logic, and you'll have your answer. That's right, you're wasting time here.

To get 2 to 3 claims in a day, we would need to get things going, because people vote slowly, as I witnessed when I was kidnapped. And we need claims because night investigations are getting us nowhere. I can't believe we have had 2 nights and no one has anything to go on, that's just bizarre.

@jusplay, I gave someone else the chance to lead here, and no one stepped up. You think that our method of hunting mafia is flawed, then clearly present a case and let's see what you come up with. With no one finding anything at night, it makes it really hard. All mafia will lie, so how can you really be sure of anything?

@Sirius, would love a bump of Akamiro... I know he is on a lot during the day, I'm playing games with him for heaven's sake!

[TheCrown]

Each day we argue over nothing, our options decrease. I ONLY want a claim from KING ED, which he keeps coming back thinking I want to lynch him. I DON'T WANT TO LYNCH YOU KING ED, BUT I WANT A CLAIM.

I could be off here, since we have nothing to go on, but no one else has taken up other roads here. Did anyone want to see Killum's mason partner? No. Did anyone put up a case on anyone else? No.

I was asked to lead again, and really didn't want to because I don't have any "most probably mafias" in my sights. But this game has gone no where, so we need to stir it up to try and find some mafia. Sitting here doing nothing is, I'm sure, making the mafia sit back in comfort.

LET'S MOVE PEOPLE!

[DB4Christ]

I think we are at a spot in the game where we could gain valuable insight by claims, given we have no night intel to go off of. I do think we should ask for the other mason buddy to step up and validate our professed mason. This would either expose a lie by the true masons coming forward to refute the false claims, or if they our truly masons....no disputes to the claims, we could narrow the field of suspects. This does seem to make the best sense. For all who want to get away from pressuring the silent ones...this should be acceptable to you as an alternate method with constructive gain.

[SiriusCowKing]

I will make an inactive count, I was planning on doing so. I was just waiting a couple of days to give a chance to everyone to participate, this has been too long already.

[King Edward 3rd]

Each day we argue over nothing, our options decrease. I ONLY want a claim from KING ED, which he keeps coming back thinking I want to lynch him. I DON'T WANT TO LYNCH YOU KING ED, BUT I WANT A CLAIM.

I could be off here, since we have nothing to go on, but no one else has taken up other roads here. Did anyone want to see Killum's mason partner? No. Did anyone put up a case on anyone else? No.

I was asked to lead again, and really didn't want to because I don't have any "most probably mafias" in my sights. But this game has gone no where, so we need to stir it up to try and find some mafia. Sitting here doing nothing is, I'm sure, making the mafia sit back in comfort.

LET'S MOVE PEOPLE!

TC go back to the roles link & if you have to look a every role & see why I've said in many post ( IT WON"T BENEFIT THE TOWN OR THE MAFIA IF I GET HUNG OR SHOT SO GET THE ROPE OR THE GUN & LET"S GET THIS OVR WITH ) Please I'm sick of this Gm. & don't think I'll ever play one again. I've tried to claim without straight out telling you my roll which then I might as well just sit in silence like the majority of the players are doing. With that being I'm done !!!! unvote

[King Edward 3rd]

* With that being said I'm done* UNVOTE

[SiriusCowKing]

inactives in day 1:

Akamiro
czar Richard (dead)
Elsuper bano
jusplay4fun
qbert68
Ragot25 (dead)


Inactives in day 2:

lowest number of posts:
akimaro
czar richard (dead)
Cump sherman
Mithridaties

little paritcipation but still ok:
Elsuper bano
Killuminati19
qbert68


inactives in day 2 after the holiday break:

People who didn't even posted once:
Akamiro
czar richard (dead)
Elsuper bano
Mithridaties

People who posted quite few but I don't mind because at least they posted something:
jusplay4fun
qbert68


And now the inactives in day 3:

very few or no post at all:
Akamiro
Elsuper bano
Gabsensei
Mithridaties
mtamburini

few posts but still participate:
archer3base
Killuminati19


Those who's names are in red have had a pattern of not posting through the whole game. I will send a PM to all who are on the few or no post list in the 3rd day count. I was waiting to hit day 3 to give a chance to everyone to start enjoying and participating in the game. Turns out, some people still don't participate and thus are just slowing and boring everything down.

[Gabsensei]

sorry for long post due to quote

Again, I agree with King Ed here:

Here is some of my thoughts on this matter. On pg.12 after he got 3votes, TC comes up with a list of suspects & an oversight of the game. I think that was to take the heat off of him. From then on TC suggested who to look at & people followed. When DB got close to be lynched it changed to kill & then when he spoke it changed to Ragot & we all know what happened to him!!!! I think mafia is putting suggestions out there & seeing who will follow so they can lynch by day. further down on pg. 12 Gabsensei calls TC out by saying [ I can see what your doing you know and its working with most of the people but to me your not talking enough] What did he mean by that statement??? 3 posts later Gab. unvotes TC & votes DB. Now on day 2 the 1st vote is made by Gab. with a list of suspects like TC. had. I'm a new player but this looks like a pattern. So if the town wants to be controlled by the mafia so be it. It really doesn't matter to me if you people kill each other off !!!!!!

to that i already answered

Here is some of my thoughts on this matter. On pg.12 after he got 3votes, TC comes up with a list of suspects & an oversight of the game. I think that was to take the heat off of him. From then on TC suggested who to look at & people followed. When DB got close to be lynched it changed to kill & then when he spoke it changed to Ragot & we all know what happened to him!!!! I think mafia is putting suggestions out there & seeing who will follow so they can lynch by day. further down on pg. 12 Gabsensei calls TC out by saying [ I can see what your doing you know and its working with most of the people but to me your not talking enough] What did he mean by that statement??? 3 posts later Gab. unvotes TC & votes DB. Now on day 2 the 1st vote is made by Gab. with a list of suspects like TC. had. I'm a new player but this looks like a pattern. So if the town wants to be controlled by the mafia so be it. It really doesn't matter to me if you people kill each other off !!!!!!

I posted this about 30 hrs. ago & Gab. still hasn't said what he meant by the statement that's in quotes so for that reason IvoteGabsensei

i am sorry for not answering earlier i am working a shit load cause of xmas aand didnt got tthe time to get on before now.

the why i listed my suspicion its because on post before mine there were people asking for list. asking other to share what they tough and its why i did this.

if you think me saying this after people asking for everyone to share what they think make me suspicious i am sorry but i have to tell you i want people to talk and tell us what they are.

i want to kill all the scum but for that we need everyone to participate and say what they think cause i dont want to lynch one of my fellow townie again and for kill he still havent say a thing to make me change my vote so for now i am staying with him.

i also have to say that giving your idea does not make you scum it most likely help other make their idea and help others see what they could've miss i also have to say that check did say he have a power role but did not say which since he didnt want to get kill last night i dont know if in the night i found anything but it could help to ask further more on king ed coming again and again with the samething telling us that the mafia did hide TC i have to tell you that there is only one possible role that can hide someone during a day and it is (with what i readed) an inventor since depending on the mod you can have 2 way to get this role one is : get inventions and they tell you what they do or you get invention going by invention A invention B etc and by trying one anything could really happen only the mod know which one does what.

now with what king said i would think he claimed to be a townie anyway it is what i believe and a regular one btw so i am ok with him for now i would ask from Check to just tell us if he saw anything important if not dont tell us anything that would compromise your role

and i am not certain yet who i should be voting for since with what TC said about crasp and him going after each other day 1 is true ( except if it was a play) i dont think of him being any scummy either i for myself would go for soemoen we never went on like what about mith???

[Elsuper bano]

King I went back and read the roles list. I think I see what you are trying to claim but I what to know what you are trying to claim for sure. so vote king edward 3rd

[Elsuper bano]

As far as me not posting enough I can start posting about nonsense that does not pertain to the game like others to get my post count up but I don't think that will help the game. I am finding very little helpful info to go off of in these posts but do post when I do see something I think might be useful. after the break I was on vacation out of the country with limited internet access for two weeks that is why I was not posting. ask sirius and TC I notified both of them before I left.

[TheCrown]

It's all just part of the game King Ed, don't despair like I did when I first started playing... I wanted to quit my first couple of games, then a lightbulb went on and I loved it.

I imagine that someone wanting the heat off them would say exactly what you would say King Ed. So, your words are not at all surprising. Instead of quitting, you could just claim your role and we could move on. With trackers and watchers, you probably exaggerate your demise.

[TheCrown]

Here's how me and crasp going at each other could not have been a "play". If we tried to throw people off by picking on each other, and we were both mafia, then it could have made many people suspicious of the points brought up about either or both in the "play". That's not good to have people remember bad points about a person, and sometimes it's hard to dispel those thoughts. That's what crasp does as mafia, he tries to pull crap out of thin air to get people to doubt townies.

[Gabsensei]

Here's how me and crasp going at each other could not have been a "play". If we tried to throw people off by picking on each other, and we were both mafia, then it could have made many people suspicious of the points brought up about either or both in the "play". That's not good to have people remember bad points about a person, and sometimes it's hard to dispel those thoughts. That's what crasp does as mafia, he tries to pull crap out of thin air to get people to doubt townies.

as i said i dont think it was i only said said it was still a possibility which i dont think was the case there

[Gabsensei]

even if it could be seens as a patern there is my list:

Akamiro - i dont know way too silent cant tell much
archer3base - townie to me
CHECK-M8 - he claimed but sometime act scummy
Cump Sherman - not too sure what to think but i go on the way of townie
DB4Christ - looked scummy early on then made some post and got off my radar most likely townie
Elsuper bano - talk when he think its apropriate and i respect that but not sure what to think yet
jusplay4fun - sometime act weird but most likely townie
Killuminati19 - silent then acted weird he claimed but i still think he is kinda scummy
King Edward 3rd - people want him to claim more precisely and i think its a good idea
Mithridaties - really silent and when he talk it look scummy to me
mtamburini - helped alot with good points think he is townie
qbert68 - look kinda scummy to me from some post
TheCrown - look (like i said) townie to me

these are what i think of everyone and since we need some claim i will go with the others and ask for king to claim precisely what he is: vote king edward 3rd

[TheCrown]

Ok, but, CHECK DID NOT CLAIM HIS ROLE. We need to make a distinction here. Claiming to have a power role and actually telling us what it is, is 2 WAY different things.

[Gabsensei]

Ok, but, CHECK DID NOT CLAIM HIS ROLE. We need to make a distinction here. Claiming to have a power role and actually telling us what it is, is 2 WAY different things.

i do agree but i dont want him to really claim his role if he have to good information but its also true that we might need him to claim one day or another but for now if he does not have any information i think we should give him one more day since we already lost our cop and our vigilant dont you think? (it is a thing i am ready to try since we lost already too many power role)

ps sorry for the miss use of the word there

[Killuminati19]

Gabsensai,

I gave a specific role and told you precisely how many others I knew of with my role. What is it you are missing? King's meltdown aside, I would still like a claim out of check.

[Gabsensei]

Gabsensai,

I gave a specific role and told you precisely how many others I knew of with my role. What is it you are missing? King's meltdown aside, I would still like a claim out of check.

if you said it maybe i only missed it and then i am sorry i had some real life issue lately and got almost no time on so i had lots of reading to do

[Gabsensei]

ps i did said you claimed but still acted scummy just saying not saying your a scum or anything

[King Edward 3rd]

King I went back and read the roles list. I think I see what you are trying to claim but I what to know what you are trying to claim for sure. so vote king edward 3rd

You voted for me before on the same post & twisted my words around to try to make me look scummy & now you say you vote for me to just get me to claim what you think you already know!!!! Coming from one of the silent ones

[TheCrown]

Gabsensei... you are missing the point here. If I were mafia and didn't want to have to claim a fake role, I would also say "my role is really powerful, we should not come my direction for a claim". I can see everyone saying that now at this point.