Congrats thecrown!

[40kguy]

congrats big guy

[frankiebee]

Congrats on cheap play

[Qwert]

congratulation. operation " harvest" are big success ,, i hope that C&A mods will know how to award all this hard work

[laughingcavalier]

There I was backstage polishing up my "Congratulations josko, didn't expect anyone to hit 5000 points for a while - fine play - best traditions of the game'" speech and I poke my head through the curtains - and there is TheCrown up on the dais. What happened?! How many points did he gain in how long and how did he do it? Is this a case of congratulations for a swashbuckling feat of derring-do or is it the sort of crafty manipulation that we have come to fear? Seriously, how did he do it? I have to say right now I am awed by the sheer chutzpah of the move.

/edit:
Oh I see the C&A thread. I'm kind of with the OP there - looks like hostage-taking but...

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having said all that this was a very cool way to manipulate the scoreboard lol

[owenshooter]

the conqueror has become known as the "player best able to exploit loopholes in the rules and harvest" or simply "that dude from THOTA with all the multis"... i don't think it means much anymore... actually, i don't think the scoreboard means much anymore... kind of sad, but it is what it is... i wish they policed the cheaters/harvesters that actually are a negative for the site, as they do the people in the forums that speak their minds and are seen by less than 1% of all CC users. CC has always gotten it backwards in this regard and it is good to see not much has changed since i started playing on here... the decline is sad...-el Jesus negro

[BoganGod]

the conqueror has become known as the "player best able to exploit loopholes in the rules and harvest" or simply "that dude from THOTA with all the multis"... i don't think it means much anymore... actually, i don't think the scoreboard means much anymore... kind of sad, but it is what it is... i wish they policed the cheaters/harvesters that actually are a negative for the site, as they do the people in the forums that speak their minds and are seen by less than 1% of all CC users. CC has always gotten it backwards in this regard and it is good to see not much has changed since i started playing on here... the decline is sad...-el Jesus negro

+1

I get a forum vacation for drawing attention to the breaking of useful add ons. Evidently repeating yourself is a serious offense. Serbia beware kiddo. You've been finishing all your posts in the same fashion. The thought police may well ban you for it. Unnecessary repetition in forums is BAD. Point maximisation by skirting along the edge or breaking the rules is GOOD.

Speak your mind in the hope of improving the site, you are a destabilising, destructive influence.

Get to conqueror by dubious means. YOU ARE A LEGEND, no one will harm you, medals and glory are yours!!!!!


Forum fascist inspired control freaks, please note that I paraphrased myself for emphasis, I did not repeat myself verbatim. I know you have sufficient intelligence to note the difference. Might I humbly suggest that rather than being deliberately obtuse and attacking me again. Maybe have a look at ways your ranking system is open to manipulation. Surely that is worthy of attention

[codeblue1018]

The Crown got to the top by exploiting the point system with-in the rules; most of us, if not all have partook in this type of behavior in a much, much smaller scale on a daily basis. This method clearly took much diligence and patience to accomplish what he did; I know I couldn't spend one hour of straight play anymore let alone eighteen hours. The only violation he committed is holding players at bay for a period of time in games that would result in wins - others have done this and received warnings for the same behavior and this will likely be the case here as well. I honestly could careless what the scoreboard says as the means for determining the best became irrelevant years ago.

[Armandolas]

Congratz and nice strategy
I hope you didnt play against multies or had "fixed" games.If you dont then:

Some play the turns of their RL Multies , some others do this. I feel less cheated now

[HardAttack]

The Crown got to the top by exploiting the point system with-in the rules; most of us, if not all have partook in this type of behavior in a much, much smaller scale on a daily basis. This method clearly took much diligence and patience to accomplish what he did; I know I couldn't spend one hour of straight play anymore let alone eighteen hours. The only violation he committed is holding players at bay for a period of time in games that would result in wins - others have done this and received warnings for the same behavior and this will likely be the case here as well. I honestly could careless what the scoreboard says as the means for determining the best became irrelevant years ago.

WITH IN THE RULES ?
Whatever when not written to state against rules will be considered to be in rules ?
So, why do we have judges and juries if all the cases were there to be dealt with if sitting in the WRITTEN rules or not ?
Where does perception stand then and why do we need for it then ?

Sitting in the rules, this is the dumbest thing i have been hearing lately...
As a mod, this fella should have thought of his acts and moves really careful before doing it.
Isnt it the mods picked around to show examples ? I am laughing out a lot to observe this MOD !!! how he is setting a great f*cking example to the community in means of clean play and sportmanship measures.

Go big boy, proud yourself, your skills and abilities on stealing and fraudulent acts beyond every measures

[Armandolas]

He won all those games didnt he?
I have to agree here, it was unsportmanship or whatever is called in the new improved rank. But those points are legit, does not matter if they come all at the same time

[HardAttack]

He won all those games didnt he?
I have to agree here, it was unsportmanship or whatever is called in the new improved rank. But those points are legit, does not matter if they come all at the same time

Once upon a time,
new recruit aimers used to win their games too, their wins were legit too, but why then somehow it has been brought in many forums to be discussed widely then a name put for it, FARMING, now is against the rules and has sanctions of point reset and more...
Those ppl, who targeted new recruits that time in past were winniing their games too armandolas, if it does make any sense ?
This guy under consideration is the guy with quite big skills in cc, so for this guy on certain maps a liutenant/major/even colonel is not a heavy weight opponent to compete him in equal basis. So, this is FARMING of POINT SYSTEM. Or abuse of point system, it is how i see the matter to look like.

the matter now is, known part is this is one certain abuse, unknown part is some genius to come/show around to find a new name for this new form of abuse. !!! PS type FARMING, Ordered Farming, whatever. Accelerated Farming maybe. Efficient Delta Type Farming. What f*ck ever.

[codeblue1018]

The Crown got to the top by exploiting the point system with-in the rules; most of us, if not all have partook in this type of behavior in a much, much smaller scale on a daily basis. This method clearly took much diligence and patience to accomplish what he did; I know I couldn't spend one hour of straight play anymore let alone eighteen hours. The only violation he committed is holding players at bay for a period of time in games that would result in wins - others have done this and received warnings for the same behavior and this will likely be the case here as well. I honestly could careless what the scoreboard says as the means for determining the best became irrelevant years ago.

WITH IN THE RULES ?
Whatever when not written to state against rules will be considered to be in rules ?
So, why do we have judges and juries if all the cases were there to be dealt with if sitting in the WRITTEN rules or not ?
Where does perception stand then and why do we need for it then ?

Sitting in the rules, this is the dumbest thing i have been hearing lately...
As a mod, this fella should have thought of his acts and moves really careful before doing it.
Isnt it the mods picked around to show examples ? I am laughing out a lot to observe this MOD !!! how he is setting a great f*cking example to the community in means of clean play and sportmanship measures.

Go big boy, proud yourself, your skills and abilities on stealing and fraudulent acts beyond every measures

So are we to think that farming is now associated with higher ranks such as major and colonel as opposed to new recruits or stripers? Where is the line drawn on what constitutes "farming" ? I mean c'mon, these higher ranked players see the map and can either accept or decline a challenge; a person with a "higher" rank if you will should have a basic knowledge of gameplay and if not, shame on them for joining; new recruits, stripers; I get that, they probably don't know any better.
What we do know is that TheCrown won many games in a 24hr period; what we don't know is the exact specifics on whether or not rules were violated aside from some acts of "hostage taking" and in my opinion, there were no rules violation in the way he attained his rank. Is it cheap and absurd gameplay? Perhaps it is; rules are made from incidents like this; it's a loophole that should be dealt with; until that time, what can we do aside from venting out frustrations? The scoring system has been a topic of debate for years mate. Instead of getting all bent on TheCrown perhaps we can get bent on the system that allows this, no? As far as being a mod and setting an example for the community, I agree; mods should be held to a higher standard - they can fix this also.

[HardAttack]

i understand your points mate;

however, what is the clear answer of this below my question;

simple division operation (mathematics term)
one creates pretty huge amonth of games,
little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

some say this is unsportmanship,
some other say this is abuse...

i think open for perception.
to me, this is something close to be an abuse !!! cos i see there is a obvious intention and effort ordering the lost games then to be won games to end in a fashion from low rank to the higher rank 1v1 games. Isnt it what we always see in CA cases when a verdict is given, isnt it common say, IF THERE IS A CERTAIN ADVANTAGE TAKEN OR NOT over any existing way, then dealt with to be an abuse, or am i wrong ? Then dont we see a certain advantage is taken here after all these games being put in some ordering to get the maximum benefit from scoring system ? In this way,the question is, if the scoring system or how the player under consideration taking the advantage of it ?

[codeblue1018]

It's both mate; the scoring system is flawed and we have a player(s) taking advantage of it both on a high scale like TheCrown and many others to a much lesser degree. The question is what's to blame and I think the obvious answer is the flawed system.
Question, is it the same if a person does this type of game play for 300 games or 10; is there a difference?

[Vid_FISO]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

[BoganGod]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

Really? Doesn't sound right to me. Could you post a link supporting this. I've noticed when opponents drop rank during a game I get less points for a win, and lose more points if I lose Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention since my return.

[clangfield]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

Really? Doesn't sound right to me. Could you post a link supporting this. I've noticed when opponents drop rank during a game I get less points for a win, and lose more points if I lose Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention since my return.

It isn't. It's the points at the end of the game. That's how someone went up several thousand points at once.
My initial reaction was to applaud the ingenuity and effort; however it was done by hostage taking (even if the hostages were acquiescent) which is against the rules. Someone in C&A said that no-one was hurt by it; not those involved maybe, but those who care about their relative position will have been affected indirectly.
Whether the points formulat should be changed, of course, is another matter...

[HardAttack]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

Really? Doesn't sound right to me. Could you post a link supporting this. I've noticed when opponents drop rank during a game I get less points for a win, and lose more points if I lose Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention since my return.

It isn't. It's the points at the end of the game. That's how someone went up several thousand points at once.
My initial reaction was to applaud the ingenuity and effort; however it was done by hostage taking (even if the hostages were acquiescent) which is against the rules. Someone in C&A said that no-one was hurt by it; not those involved maybe, but those who care about their relative position will have been affected indirectly.
Whether the points formulat should be changed, of course, is another matter...

PLEASE CLICK TO SEE.....
even if a single game of hostage can get a verdict of NOTED...THEN , how come that SOMEONE from CA explains his claim of "NO ONE GOT HURT FROM IT"...if so, how come the thread this hyperlink to bring you gets a NOTED needs an explanation...



.

[friendly1]

Wow! I love that TheCrown did this. So very cool!

Cant believe how angry some people get, its going to be a point reset, chill out. See the humor in it, and maybe give a little credit for the huge amount of effort executing this must have taken.

Gotta feeling that this is going to be a very very long time in C&A, they will need to define what type of collusion it is to continue a game after it is lost for multiple turns until a set point to achieve maximum points. Then they need to define punishment for that, and whether both players are subject to penalties or not.

They will need to run through a massive quantity of games and see if a percentage were in some way lost intentionally to thecrown by friends or clanmates.

They will have to go right back to prior to all the games being created and see if thecrowns play for the period of time before that was done in a fashion to lose points or reduce his starting point level thus providing an even bigger "kick" when the game completions were executed.

And then I'm guessing BigWham is going to have to make a call as to whether he wants to see thecrown punished outside of a point reset and a slap on the wrist.

[Armandolas]

But thats another issue. If he indeed took players hostage or not. The question is, did he legitimate just managed his own games using his 24h turn right?
I have done that in a small scale, trying to accelarate one of my losses and slowdonw my sure win, so i could get advantage of it.
Of course no one notices and in my opinion its legitime. But what this guy did was becoming conqueror and taking everyone by surprise making ourselfs look fools.And of course no one like to feel like a fool everyone of us will whine because someone was "smarter" and managed his huge amount of games the way that suits him.

Now i would like to know if he played multies or had fixed games against his "friends". That would just change everything

[xroads]

Is this much difference then they way Benclub was doing it?

He found a gimmick way to win labrinth. Then invited players with no experience on the map for easy. No big deal, but once experienced player learns map, he foes them so he was in no danger of loosing points to them

[Agent 86]

Actually having a MOD do this is kinda sad, maybe he had a point to prove..Example Ben. It was well executed but The Crown will no longer be a Mod and he will have to answer to admin for doing this. It may have brought shame to his clan as well, we will see when the verdict is reached.

[Metsfanmax]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

Really? Doesn't sound right to me. Could you post a link supporting this. I've noticed when opponents drop rank during a game I get less points for a win, and lose more points if I lose Maybe I haven't been paying close enough attention since my return.

It isn't. It's the points at the end of the game. That's how someone went up several thousand points at once.
My initial reaction was to applaud the ingenuity and effort; however it was done by hostage taking (even if the hostages were acquiescent) which is against the rules. Someone in C&A said that no-one was hurt by it; not those involved maybe, but those who care about their relative position will have been affected indirectly.
Whether the points formulat should be changed, of course, is another matter...

PLEASE CLICK TO SEE.....
even if a single game of hostage can get a verdict of NOTED...THEN , how come that SOMEONE from CA explains his claim of "NO ONE GOT HURT FROM IT"...if so, how come the thread this hyperlink to bring you gets a NOTED needs an explanation...



.

That person was me, and my comments should not be construed as an official C&A team position. My point was that, generally, people only get noted/punished if they are holding someone hostage and the hostage in question is upset about it. Usually people don't bother reporting it if they think it's funny or don't care.

[Shannon Apple]

little portion of these are to be lost games, which he can foresee which of the whole are going to be lost.
loses them in the first place when his rank is real low, then puts all in an order to maximize the point gain from each game, prolly first win against low ranks when crown's rank is low so gain 20ish points from em, keep the higher ranking opponents to the last to be won when his score goes high...

The system doesn't work like that, points won/ lost are based on ranking points at the start of the games, not what they are at the end of the games.

You're wrong. The points recorded at the start of the game is only to aid the monthly board in finding what points were at a certain time, it is not to say that your score will be calculated from that mark if you win the game. Points are calculated by whatever your score is at the time of winning each game. This is why you could effectively do this. Lose a shitton of games at the same time so that you have 0 points or almost. (so in this case, lose all of your losing games at the same time) Then start finishing all the won games and take 100 points off each of the poor bastards that you choose to win against first, then 90, then 80, then 70's and they get less as you go up, but you are taking massive points off people as you climb in the beginning.

I saw this and all I could do was laugh. It took some dedication from all involved to achieve this. It's still abuse, but

[Vid_FISO]

In that case it's the way it should work