Forfeit Button, What Am I Missing?

by **premio53** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:05 am

I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

by **Shannon Apple** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:38 am

Abusers dumping points. I asked the same thing myself at one point because a forfeit button would be cool. I was told that there was one once?

Every so often, a loser comes along and decides to join and deadbeat speed games to lose points, then as a cook, he starts taking big points off big players. If caught they get banned. I remember one case who did this a lot before getting kicked for it. Forfeit button would make it easier if he could join last on 24 hr games and immediately deadbeat via forfeit

by **premio53** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:40 am

Shannon Apple wrote:Abusers dumping points. I asked the same thing myself at one point because a forfeit button would be cool. I was told that there was one once?

Every so often, a loser comes along and decides to join and deadbeat speed games to lose points, then as a cook, he starts taking big points off big players. If caught they get banned. I remember one case who did this a lot before getting kicked for it. Forfeit button would make it easier if he could join last on 24 hr games and immediately deadbeat via forfeit

I would think that issue could be addressed separately.

by **Vid_FISO** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:42 am

Make it unavailable until a certain number of moves are played and/or one player/ team has a certain percentage of terits?

by **donkeymile** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:37 pm

I can't figure out why they wouldn't have one.

Why not a button that ASKS the opponent(s) if they would allow a forfeit? If all accept than the forfeit takes place. This way the abuse wouldn't be possible. Even code it so that it can only be asked once or twice in a game, so some idiot doesn't keep requesting it.

I really can't figure out why CC wouldn't want to do this. Just my perspective - and personally I can't see a time when I would use it but then I am just a stubborn female not willing to give up. I do see how it would be beneficial though.

by **BigBallinStalin** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:47 pm

That doesn't solve the point dumping problem.

"Hey, would you like my points?"

Sure!

(both members accept the Forfeit offer).

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:49 pm

premio53 wrote:I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

There isn't really a difference. Most of the objections to the forfeit button have been based on quite poor reasoning and/or no longer apply to CC as it currently stands.

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:51 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
premio53 wrote:I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

There isn't really a difference. Most of the objections to the forfeit button have been based on quite poor reasoning and/or no longer apply to CC as it currently stands.

Like the fact that I can forfeit right before you kill me so you don't get my cards?

by **Metsfanmax** on Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:57 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
premio53 wrote:I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

There isn't really a difference. Most of the objections to the forfeit button have been based on quite poor reasoning and/or no longer apply to CC as it currently stands.

Like the fact that I can forfeit right before you kill me so you don't get my cards?

That was solved a long time ago in the forfeit discussions by requiring the resignation button to only work if all players agree to the resignation.

by **TeeGee** on Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:19 am

With new ownership of CC, all things are possible. What was rejected in the past may well be reconsidered.
But, not everything can be done at once. Some things have a higher priority and others are easier to implement.
I can't say either way if there will or won't be a forfeit button in the future or how far away it is if it is being considered as suggestions and programming is not an area I am directly involved in here. But I am reasonably confident this will be looked at.

by **DoomYoshi** on Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:48 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
premio53 wrote:I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

There isn't really a difference. Most of the objections to the forfeit button have been based on quite poor reasoning and/or no longer apply to CC as it currently stands.

Like the fact that I can forfeit right before you kill me so you don't get my cards?

That was solved a long time ago in the forfeit discussions by requiring the resignation button to only work if all players agree to the resignation.

And then if I decide not to accept your resignation I am holding you hostage? Lame.

by **Anarkistsdream** on Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:15 pm

And think about the Ratings Abuse that would happen after those situations....

by **Metsfanmax** on Fri Oct 11, 2013 10:46 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
premio53 wrote:I've seen a couple of comments on how a forfeit button would be abused. If someone wants to resign all they have to do is deadbeat out. How is deadbeating out any different than gracefully bowing out with a forfeit button and congratuating your opponent on a good game?

There isn't really a difference. Most of the objections to the forfeit button have been based on quite poor reasoning and/or no longer apply to CC as it currently stands.

Like the fact that I can forfeit right before you kill me so you don't get my cards?

That was solved a long time ago in the forfeit discussions by requiring the resignation button to only work if all players agree to the resignation.

And then if I decide not to accept your resignation I am holding you hostage? Lame.

*shrug* In multiplayer of course not, because of the cards issue. In 1v1 still no as long as you're reasonably making an effort to defeat them, although I don't see a good reason to play it out to completion if the victor is obvious and one of the two wants to quit.

by **Jippd** on Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:17 am

To answer the question of your topic:

The ability to search for the tons of threads with this exact same subject/question to figure out your answer

Point dumping
multis
cheating
freemiums giving up easily to get a new game slot
friends helping friends to "level up"

If you want to give up a game early you can always:

Declare forfeit in chat to your opponent
Stack troops in a spot that is useless/buried/not attackable/not a threat
attack neutral troops degrading your troop count
work out time with opponents to finish up a game RT while you use the above tactics