A Cino Filled Mafia (2/27) *Game Over*

[rishaed]

Caffiene, we are starting to move out of joke vote stage , so voting reasons need to be more serious and have more logical reasons behind them. FYI, its one way to get lynched/ or seem scummy if done through the game.

[iAmCaffeine]

Fair enough, I'm kind of just hopping on the bandwagon at the moment.

[aage]

LYNCH ALL LURKERS!! (I'm fairly sure that's how the phrase goes ) or was it SILENCE IS SCUMMY (you know who we need in this game, nag, he would know, oh wait he is).

The latter allows for calling someone a SISsy, so definitely that one.


Skoffin's post actually has convinced me to join the Commander9 wagon. He obviously has a post restriction involving slandering Fircoal in his every post, but that doesn't mean he is town. Unvote. Vote Commie

[The1exile]

First of all... *Facepalm* They were clearly joking and you're taking it for their face values and then finally listen to them?

This is Day 1 in mafia! All we have to go on are what people say in this thread. And many a true word is spoken in jest.

Now, explain a few things, if you don't mind:
1) What does this have ANYTHING to do with roleclaiming and where did that come from?
2) Where did you get the cult idea?

You're the one who keeps talking in vague terms about your role. Perhaps it was intended to suggest you're important but actually it makes you seem suspicious, and since a no lynch is not an advisable strat on day 1, Skoffin's point that even if you are not scum we'll glean a fair bit of info from your death is very relevant. And the cult presence is a theory... but an entirely plausible one. And the worst thing you can do with a cult is not realise they exist until they've got too many members.

Literally, everything as of now has been a joke vote stage and so your logic (correct if I'm wrong) is that one person that has an unfortunate "need" to post one specific thematic and *will* attract attention with it (and apparently no one else has anything) will be the cult. Yes, because, you know, cult/mafia/scum is totally not known for laying low.

This is just a terrible attempt at defence. "you can't have caught me out, because if I was scum, I wouldn't have been caught out".

[DoomYoshi]

LYNCH ALL LURKERS!! (I'm fairly sure that's how the phrase goes ) or was it SILENCE IS SCUMMY (you know who we need in this game, nag, he would know, oh wait he is).

The latter allows for calling someone a SISsy, so definitely that one.


Skoffin's post actually has convinced me to join the Commander9 wagon. He obviously has a post restriction involving slandering Fircoal in his every post, but that doesn't mean he is town. Unvote. Vote Commie

Usually it does actually...

[jonty125]

LYNCH ALL LURKERS!! (I'm fairly sure that's how the phrase goes ) or was it SILENCE IS SCUMMY (you know who we need in this game, nag, he would know, oh wait he is).

The latter allows for calling someone a SISsy, so definitely that one.


Skoffin's post actually has convinced me to join the Commander9 wagon. He obviously has a post restriction involving slandering Fircoal in his every post, but that doesn't mean he is town. Unvote. Vote Commie

Usually it does actually...

Usually, yes, but this is Fircoal, he would give any role a PR, just because he thought it would be funny.

[Shadowstar]

Welp. Forgot this was already underway till Fircoal prodded me by commenting on my beautiful face. So sorry; I was too busy polishing off my 40 PHDs for the second time today.

Seems to be quite an eventful first day. I'm gonna have to hop on that Commander bandwagon off of that first comment he made at the start of the game. Vote Commie

[Minister Masket]

I think Commander is rather close to getting one of these:

[StubbsKVM]

I'm still hung over from watching Scotland-Belgium yesterday.

vote Scotland

die!

[Nebuchadnezer]

This is sad... We have a chance to make history and lynch Fircoal, our one true enemy and yet no one is responding - I don't know whether to laugh or to cry

I also really would like to join the Drew Carrey wagon, but I am afraid I have to keep voting Fircoal.

Alright...I'll bite (since I'm not an old time vet, and miss most of the inside jokes)...why MUST you keep voting Fircoal? Is this like an anti-jester role? If you get the mod lynched, you auto-win?

I would understand a few joke votes, but you've posted this like 5 times...what gives?

Okay, I'll go back to my post a few days ago...VOTE Commander9

[Commander9]

Anyways, once I'm lynched, I would recommend taking a look at the more experienced players who went for the "easy lynch" I.E. aage/mandy/skoff.

Also, lynch Fircoal.

[mandalorian2298]

Anyways, once I'm lynched, I would recommend taking a look at the more experienced players who went for the "easy lynch" I.E. aage/mandy/skoff.

Also, lynch Fircoal.

I just noticed your sig and felt like unvoting you just for that. Alas, history is on the move. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.

[JamesKer1]

Unvote safariguy, vote commander9 for needing fir lynched so bad. sorry com!

[Talapus]

Wow, it really looks like Com9 is the way the wind is blowing the votes. I still really don't think this is the way to go, but am willing to drop my vote on him before the day ends as a lynch is better than no lynch. I just think a few things about this whole thing stink. First off the comment that started this was rather obvious, I didn't address it because I assumed it was just kinda a joke. But once others kept bringing it up Com9's post have gotten more and more revealing. He isn't a dumb player so either he figured it was useless or he got smart and went along with it so that we would jump to conclusions. I have no doubt his win condition is tied up to Fircoal, but I think it more likely he gets an automatic win for being lynched today or if Fircoal is lynched rather then him being a cult recruiter. The fact that as this was all going down Fircoal jumps in the thread and makes a blanket statement, "That dead players can replace" is the second thing that worries me because with all the crazy games I have ever played of his, I can totally see Com9 getting lynched and "Replacing" his old role as an undead something. Which puts us right back with nothing start of day 2 except for dead townies.
With 27 of us in here there have to be a few players with a roleblock ability. I would much rather have Com9 blocked tonight and lynch someone else. That way regardless of Com9's win condition or ability, he is useless to harm town or recruit town should he be a recruiter. I have played enough on the chu's games to know the win conditions he gives players are totally unfair to the majority of the rest of the players. So I'd really rather have Com9 blocked and be useless then continuing to look at this whole mess. Do I think he's a danger...maybe, am I certain, in no way. But I am convinced there are win conditions here for Com9 that we aren't seeing or one shot abilities in case of his lynching if he goes. All I really know is he isn't stupid enough on a day 1 to make the comments he was without assuming we'd jump all over him. Which at this point we have. So I won't drop my vote for him unless we are entirely out of time. My thought at this point is to vote for the least active player. The last thing I want is for Com9 to get lynched and replace one of the few inactives we have so he can come back in this game considering he is already aware of certain win conditions. Someone block his ass, let's get rid of some dead weight, and end this day.

[aage]

With 27 of us in here there have to be a few players with a roleblock ability. I would much rather have Com9 blocked tonight and lynch someone else. That way regardless of Com9's win condition or ability, he is useless to harm town or recruit town should he be a recruiter.

Why have commander blocked? In the occasion he is actually town, he won't have a way to prove it since any ability he may have is unusable. Three courses of action are possible in your plan: (a) we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today; (b) we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason; (c) we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim. Neither of these three courses of action make sense.

What would make sense is for Commander to tell us why he should not be lynched and why he is so focussed on Fircoal, but apparently he doesn't feel like sharing... hence the votes.

[Fircoal]

Votes Count 3

Commander9 (11) Mandy , saf , TWO , TFO , Exile , MM , Aage , Skoffin , Caffeine , Shadow , JamesKer1
TWO (8) Nebuchadnezer , Fircoal
Rish (7) Fircoal
Mandy (2) Tal , Rishaed
Kwan (2) Tal , Nark
Naggy (2) Doom Yoshi , Commander9
Saf (2) sheep , Tails
Fircoal (1) Rish
TFO (1) new guy1
JamesKer1 (1) Saf
Skoffin (1) Illy
Doom Yoshi (1) Shrew
Nark (1) Rodion
MM (1) Naggy
Shrew (1) Jonty
Scotland (1) Stubbs

27 Alive, 14 to Lynch, 13 to get a new car, 7 to get a kick in the crotch

Commander, TWO, and Rish receive a kick to the crotch for more than 7 votes on them.

[Commander9]

Why have commander blocked? In the occasion he is actually town, he won't have a way to prove it since any ability he may have is unusable. Three courses of action are possible in your plan: (a) we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today; (b) we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason; (c) we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim. Neither of these three courses of action make sense.

What would make sense is for Commander to tell us why he should not be lynched and why he is so focussed on Fircoal, but apparently he doesn't feel like sharing... hence the votes.

More misinformation and skipping. Again, there are specific things that I can list and how I can list them - I can't move away from it. I would love to share, alas, I can't. Since apparently the majority doesn't really care about who is lynched, let it be done. I'd have personally chosen to lynch Fircoal over me, but it doesn't matter.

I just noticed your sig and felt like unvoting you just for that. Alas, history is on the move. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.

Perhaps, but you miss the main thing - concentration, focus, long-term thinking--those are the qualities that seperate a warrior from a mere flailing fighter. You are throwing away something that you can't replace.

[mandalorian2298]

I just noticed your sig and felt like unvoting you just for that. Alas, history is on the move. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all.

Perhaps, but you miss the main thing - concentration, focus, long-term thinking--those are the qualities that seperate a warrior from a mere flailing fighter. You are throwing away something that you can't replace.

You, on the other hand, are forgetting that as soon as you dispassionately place yourselves among those whom you are willing to send to certain death, you take another step toward strategic wisdom; for the only thing that I cannot replace is - victory.

[Rodion]

My Memebase mafia role was Pedobear, survivor. I had this posting restriction that easily allowed people to guess my character and flavour speculation wrongly had people thinking Pedobear was an anti-town character (because apparently raping kids is wrong). Anyhow, I got framed and investigated N1, which lead to my D2 mislynch through no fault of my own. I feel like Commander getting lynched due to a PR is pretty lame and makes me wonder whether those on his wagon act on town's best interest.

Yes, I'm still bitter over that lynch (and over every game I got lynched), but my point is that there is nothing Commander did that makes him more likely to be anti-town other than the poorly structured "Fircoal is a bastard and I feel like he'd give that PR to an anti-town role" argument.

[Talapus]

Why have commander blocked? In the occasion he is actually town, he won't have a way to prove it since any ability he may have is unusable. Three courses of action are possible in your plan: (a) we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today; (b) we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason; (c) we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim. Neither of these three courses of action make sense.

What would make sense is for Commander to tell us why he should not be lynched and why he is so focussed on Fircoal, but apparently he doesn't feel like sharing... hence the votes.

First off your three courses of action are all wrong.....you aren't looking at this clearly. Your first option "we lynch Commander on a later day anyways, which means we might as well lynch him today" correct we would lynch someone else today. But you are smoking something powerful and wonderful if you really think there is a chance in hell Com9 lives through the night. Guaranteed he will be targeted by multiple parties so I highly doubt if we don't lynch him, that he'll be with us next game day. The one advantage to us not lynching his ass as I said before is IF there is a win condition based on a lynch of him or Firocal he doesn't get it. Because he would have been offed in the night. Then regardless of his alignment he is still dead, no win condition plays out, and we have an inactive lynched from the night before....so sounds like a sweet deal to me.


"we never ever lynch Commander, which means you don't want him dead for some scummy reason" You are jumping to major conclusions based on so little fact it's astonishing. Never lynching his ass isn't a bad thing, again I think the odds of him living through the night are less then 3.5%. So this would never even be an issue. That you draw a conclusion I don't want him dead fascinates me as we don't even know if he is town or scum. If he is town, and I wanted him dead that would be scummy. If he is mafia and I wanted him alive that too would be scummy. But unless you are aware of his alignment, then this conslusion is complete bs. If you are aware of his alignment by all means state it now, otherwise stop assuming people are scum for not voting a maybe scum member or maybe town member.

"we wait until the town cop investigates Commander and tells us what alignment he is, which requires the town cop to claim" Once again a completely moot point. I'd bet money in Vegas he won't live through the night. Mainly because if he is third party cult, mafia will target his ass or town will target his ass tonight. Third party screws up the other two factions chances of winning. Sorry, Com9 is an outcast in my mind right not. I don't think lynching him helps us as it may sway what sounds like a win condition with his roll. But if he happens to die in the night then he is gone anyway and we focused our energy else where day one which I think is what we should do. He seems like a wasted lynch to me right now. If Com9 gets lynched , (and I said I was willing to vote him as a lynch is better than none) and he wins this damn game because a bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon and he has a win condition I will hate you all. Half the games I have ever played of Fircoals have players with completely ridiculous win conditions. Just saying.

[Shadowstar]

My Memebase mafia role was Pedobear, survivor. I had this posting restriction that easily allowed people to guess my character and flavour speculation wrongly had people thinking Pedobear was an anti-town character (because apparently raping kids is wrong). Anyhow, I got framed and investigated N1, which lead to my D2 mislynch through no fault of my own. I feel like Commander getting lynched due to a PR is pretty lame and makes me wonder whether those on his wagon act on town's best interest.

Yes, I'm still bitter over that lynch (and over every game I got lynched), but my point is that there is nothing Commander did that makes him more likely to be anti-town other than the poorly structured "Fircoal is a bastard and I feel like he'd give that PR to an anti-town role" argument.

I'm voting him more off the "What if we're all SK/Mafia?" comment that was his first post since the start of the day. I could care less about his post restriction. Anyone with even less than a PHD could see there's something off with that comment, not even mentioning the 40 that I have.

[Minister Masket]

Not sure about anyone else but I don't know if there is anything else to go on apart from Commander at the moment.

[The1exile]

Despite your oddly specific probability claims, I don't see why if we didn't kill him he would definitely die - if he's scum, that's an out (especially if they have a mafia doc) and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he was left alive deliberately just to stoke the fires of paranoia... And if that happens, then we give any anti-town factions more time to screw us over. Do not want.

Moreover, at this point I would expect a clear argument as to why we shold lynch someone else or at least hints towards roleclaiming from comm9... But we got nothing beyond "don't lunch me, I don't want to die".

[Commander9]

More skimming, what a surprise. Anyways, at this point I'm done, so lets end this. Hopefully someone will remember what I said.

Also, just because I don't get to lynch Fircoal in this game doesn't mean I won't get that chance next game.

[Skoffin]

The notion that we should rely on mafia to take out Comm in the night is ridiculous - Anti-town roles are almost assuredly not going to do what makes things easiest on us, and we also just can't assume what roles there are in the game and hope that they solve our issues for us. We have to take care of our own shit.

And let's face facts here - lynching Comm at the point will give us far more information than lynching any other player currently. There are enough people pushing him and defending him that we can find a solid place to start from tomorrow. Lynching an in-active would be the most pointless choice to make as it literally tells us nothing and tomorrow we would start the same as we did today - having absolute shit to go on and jokes. I refuse to consider the option of an inactive - if they are not here then they can literally do nothing to us anyway, and they can be replaced later; we need to lynch people we actually think are scummy and who will give us information to go on later.