The Temple of Jinn [03/02/2014] V9m pg 15

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:02 am

Hello,
I'm back with my last work.
After the failure of Shannara; after the "accident" with my other work: Fantasitaly, lost with my irreparably damaged 16Gb pen drive, i try to publish a new map: The Temple of Jinn.

Map Name:
The Temple of Jinn

Mapmaker(s):
Blakkrose

Number of Territories:
128

Description
This is the first map in isometric, a first experiment which seems to be fully successful.
The map depicts a temple used by a group of worshipers of the spiritual forces called djinns.
The goal is to become masters of the temple and control all the djinns and other creatures in the dungeon.

Special Features:
Bombardments, Conditional Border, Territories with Decay.

What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:
The isometric perspective

Map Image Large version (840x400):

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Map Image Small version (630x600):

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These are the 3 color blind tests

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This is the version with all the neutral troops in the territories (840x800)

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This is the 88 test - Large version (840x800)

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This is the 88 test - Small version (630x600)

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This is the 888 test - Large version (840x800)

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This is the 888 test - Small version (630x600)

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Old versions

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Gameplay:

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This is a Standard Map.

Players start with 4 territories chosen randomly between the 92 territories gems.

Teleports:
T1a<->T2a,
T1b<->T2b,
T3a<->T3b.
All Teleports are bidirectinal.

These are the Victory conditions:
Take control of all Monsters (7 in all) and "Temple of Jinn" (composed by 5 territories: TJ1, TJ2, TJ3, TJ4 and Jinn's Crystal).

These are the Gem bonuses:
For Gem's group of the same type (Water, Air, Earth, Fire)
4 Gem: +2
7 Gem: +5
11 Gem: +8
16 Gem: +13
23 Gem: +21

You can access to Crystals only by owning Ghul and the other territories of corresponding Crystal area:
Ghul + Wc1 + Wc2 + Wc3 ---> Water Crystal
Ghul + Ec1 + Ec2 + Ec3 ---> Earth Crystal
Ghul + Fc1 + Fc2 + Fc3 ---> Fire Crystal
Ghul + Ac1 + Ac2 + Ac3 ---> Air Crystal

You can access to Jinn's Crystal only by owning TJ1 + TJ2 + TJ3 + TJ4

You cam bombard from 5 territories:
from Water Crystal to all Water Gem territories (Wg).
from Air Crystal to all Air Gem territories (Ag).
from Earth Crystal to all Earth Gem territories (Eg).
from Fire Crystal to all Fire Gem territories (Fg).
from Jinn's Crystal to all Gem territories (Wg, Ag, Eg, Fg).

Crystals have a decay of -3 per turn.

You can access to Gate only by owning the Key.

In this map are not given territories bonuses. You get only 3 army per turn.

These are monsters bonuses:
Iblis + 1 monster: +3
Iblis + 2 monster: +6
Iblis + 3 monster: +9
Iblis + 4 monster: +12
Iblis + 5 monster: +15
Iblis + 6 monster: +18

Territories:
Gems 92
Crystal zones 16
Temple of Jinn 5
Teleporters 6
Monsters 7
Gate 1
Key 1
Total 128

The Copyright Agreement

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The author retains copyright on their work, and gives Conquer Club permission to use the imagery free of charge, for as long as Conquer Club sees fit on the Conquer Club website. Conquer Club cannot sell, lease, or lend the right to use the images to anyone else. The author swears that their map is their own work, or a legal derivative work and by submitting it, do hereby claim all responsibility for that being true.

Basic idea taken from the work of Herwin. The level has been completely redesigned.

Draft Stamp (12 Aug 2013)
Gameplay Stamp (28 Sep 2013)
Graphic Stamp (25 Oct 2013)
Beta Stamp (09 Mar 2014)

N.B.:
This map would better played with fog and nuclear reinforcements.

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 6:28 am

I like this one, though I'd prefer if you picked a different background.
Something slightly darker perhaps to give the map and the monsters a darker and more terrifying atmosphere

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:04 am

waauw wrote:I like this one, though I'd prefer if you picked a different background.
Something slightly darker perhaps to give the map and the monsters a darker and more terrifying atmosphere

Sure!
I can try...

Thanks

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:56 am

Blakkrose, I like the idea, but where did you get the layout from? I am after something similar myself.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:18 am

koontz1973 wrote:Blakkrose, I like the idea, but where did you get the layout from? I am after something similar myself.

Sorry but i dont see your image. Can you check the link integrity, please?

As i wrote i'm working with a Herwin Wielink map (http://www.fantasy-maps.com)
I have permission to go ahead.
Do you think I should throw away all of my work because your work is similar to mine?

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:47 am

Blakkrose wrote:Sorry but i dont see your image. Can you check the link integrity, please?

Never posted one

Blakkrose wrote:As i wrote i'm working with a Herwin Wielink map (http://www.fantasy-maps.com)
I have permission to go ahead.

Blakkrose, please post the agreement you have.

Blakkrose wrote:Do you think I should throw away all of my work because your work is similar to mine?

Why would you need to do that? I have not said that in any way.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:01 am

koontz1973 wrote:
Blakkrose wrote:Sorry but i dont see your image. Can you check the link integrity, please?
Never posted one

Blakkrose wrote:As i wrote i'm working with a Herwin Wielink map (http://www.fantasy-maps.com)
I have permission to go ahead.
Blakkrose, please post the agreement you have.
Blakkrose wrote:Do you think I should throw away all of my work because your work is similar to mine?
Why would you need to do that? I have not said that in any way.

I report the entire conversation (my request and his answer):

Hi Blakkrose,

the ISO dungeon map (http://fantasy-maps.com/wp-content/gall ... _thime.jpg) is released under CC-BY-NC-SA license, so feel free to use it for non-commercial purposes. If possible, please add a link to my website (fantasy-maps.com).

Cheers,

Herwin

From: fragal@infinito.it [mailto:fragal@infinito.it]
Sent: dinsdag 9 juli 2013 9:18
To: info@fantasy-maps.com
Subject: Isometric Dungeon Map

Hello, i'm Blakkrose,

I'm a member of Conquerclub community (http://www.conquerclub.com).

We play free Risk online using hundred maps.

I want to create a new map using your work: Isometric Dungeon
http://www.profantasy.com/rpgmaps/?p=1308#comments

or some like that.

Your work is fantastic and i love it!

I ask your permission to use your work.

Trusting in your collaboration

Blakkrose

Now i would see your work, please.

Seamus76 · Post by **Seamus76** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:20 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but koontz is saying that he likes the layout and was working on one similar, in which sharing ideas and having help is what he was after. Or that's how I read it. Not by any means that you would need to stop just bc they are similar, etc.

Now, I really like this, and I'm impressed with your ability to cut it out and add to it so nicely. With that being said, someone else can correct me as well, but unfortunately CC maps are considered "commercial" maps, not non-commercial. Although players are able to join for free, this is still a money-making site with premium players as well. You may want to just go back to the guy and let him know. I'm sure if he's already given permission something like that might not stand in the way.

Either way, keep up the great work.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:41 pm

Seamus76 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but koontz is saying that he likes the layout and was working on one similar, in which sharing ideas and having help is what he was after. Or that's how I read it. Not by any means that you would need to stop just bc they are similar, etc.

Now, I really like this, and I'm impressed with your ability to cut it out and add to it so nicely. With that being said, someone else can correct me as well, but unfortunately CC maps are considered "commercial" maps, not non-commercial. Although players are able to join for free, this is still a money-making site with premium players as well. You may want to just go back to the guy and let him know. I'm sure if he's already given permission something like that might not stand in the way.

Either way, keep up the great work.

COMMERCIAL???

Is it possible that I can not create a map?
This is the fourth attempt and again goes wrong!
Ok, project aborted!

Good night

Seamus76 · Post by **Seamus76** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:03 pm

Blakkrose wrote:
Seamus76 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but koontz is saying that he likes the layout and was working on one similar, in which sharing ideas and having help is what he was after. Or that's how I read it. Not by any means that you would need to stop just bc they are similar, etc.

Now, I really like this, and I'm impressed with your ability to cut it out and add to it so nicely. With that being said, someone else can correct me as well, but unfortunately CC maps are considered "commercial" maps, not non-commercial. Although players are able to join for free, this is still a money-making site with premium players as well. You may want to just go back to the guy and let him know. I'm sure if he's already given permission something like that might not stand in the way.

Either way, keep up the great work.
COMMERCIAL???

Is it possible that I can not create a map?
This is the fourth attempt and again goes wrong!
Ok, project aborted!

Good night

Whoa! Big fella. Number one, I'm not 100% on that so don't go abandoning ship just yet, and number two, it may just be as simple as asking him and explaining how the site works. Or, what I'd really like to see is you take this map and make your own version, using it as a guide or whatever, but developing your skills to such a degree that you can pull this off, and many more. Trust me when I say I'm no artist, and I can't freehand anything to save my life, but looking at the map it seems there would be a couple of ways to make it work. I hope you can, and as always the community is here to help.

MoB Deadly · Post by **MoB Deadly** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:05 pm

I really like this. I like the angled perspective of this board, instead of the usual "straight down" view on maps like Draknor

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:17 pm

Seamus76 wrote:
Blakkrose wrote:
Seamus76 wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but koontz is saying that he likes the layout and was working on one similar, in which sharing ideas and having help is what he was after. Or that's how I read it. Not by any means that you would need to stop just bc they are similar, etc.

Now, I really like this, and I'm impressed with your ability to cut it out and add to it so nicely. With that being said, someone else can correct me as well, but unfortunately CC maps are considered "commercial" maps, not non-commercial. Although players are able to join for free, this is still a money-making site with premium players as well. You may want to just go back to the guy and let him know. I'm sure if he's already given permission something like that might not stand in the way.

Either way, keep up the great work.
COMMERCIAL???

Is it possible that I can not create a map?
This is the fourth attempt and again goes wrong!
Ok, project aborted!

Good night
Whoa! Big fella. Number one, I'm not 100% on that so don't go abandoning ship just yet, and number two, it may just be as simple as asking him and explaining how the site works. Or, what I'd really like to see is you take this map and make your own version, using it as a guide or whatever, but developing your skills to such a degree that you can pull this off, and many more. Trust me when I say I'm no artist, and I can't freehand anything to save my life, but looking at the map it seems there would be a couple of ways to make it work. I hope you can, and as always the community is here to help.

Ok, if you can... help me.
Thanks

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:24 am

Blakkrose wrote:COMMERCIAL???

Is it possible that I can not create a map?
This is the fourth attempt and again goes wrong!
Ok, project aborted!

Good night

I am looking into this today and I would expect an answer sometime next week from the higher ups.

Bruceswar · Post by **Bruceswar** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:53 am

I would sure say this is commercial use. Anything that makes money off a map is commercial use. In other words CC would have to be completely 100% all the time free. It is not so this cannot be used. Someone cannot profit from this map other than said company.

koontz1973 · Post by **koontz1973** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:57 am

Bruceswar wrote:I would sure say this is commercial use. Anything that makes money off a map is commercial use. In other words CC would have to be completely 100% all the time free. It is not so this cannot be used. Someone cannot profit from this map other than said company.

This was my reaction, but I want to be 100% sure before I give Blakkrose a proper answer.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:39 am

Bruceswar wrote:I would sure say this is commercial use. Anything that makes money off a map is commercial use. In other words CC would have to be completely 100% all the time free. It is not so this cannot be used. Someone cannot profit from this map other than said company.

The creator of the map Diskworld got the permission from the author to publish their work. It 'been given permission for COMMERCIAL purposes?

Are you sure???

Bruceswar · Post by **Bruceswar** » Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:03 am

Blakkrose wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:I would sure say this is commercial use. Anything that makes money off a map is commercial use. In other words CC would have to be completely 100% all the time free. It is not so this cannot be used. Someone cannot profit from this map other than said company.
The creator of the map Diskworld got the permission from the author to publish their work. It 'been given permission for COMMERCIAL purposes?

Are you sure???

It was fully granted for use. Yep, this one is not as per the agreement. You better go back and clarify again with the right people on the map's end.

Teflon Kris · Post by **Teflon Kris** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:30 am

Yeah, the tone of the message you got first time seems as though they may well grant you permission for CC-use only - just be sure to explain that this will be another of hundreds of maps, the map itself wont be generating specific income, just adding a little extra fun for members. CC wont be selling the map etc.

Good luck, give it a shot, its worth it, the map looks cool.

Post by **Dukasaur** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:40 am

It certainly looks good.

It would be worth investing a few days of work into negotiating an agreement that will make it possible.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:22 am

Dukasaur wrote:It certainly looks good.

It would be worth investing a few days of work into negotiating an agreement that will make it possible.

Yesterday I sent a message to the author and I'm waiting for an answer...

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:40 am

Ehi boys, i have good news!
Finally Herwin gave me the permission to use his work for the map.

These are the messages of latest days:

[Herwin - 22 juli 2013 11:24]
In this case, I’m fine for you to use the map for this. If possible please add a link to my website (fantasy-maps.com) in the credits.
Cheers, Herwin

[Blakkrose - 22 juli 2013 8:39]
Let me better explain:
This is and extract of Conquerclub Home Page:

"Welcome to Conquer Club, the ultimate online multiplayer world domination game!
...
It's free to play, so what are you waiting for? Register now!"

Tha basic registration is free and with the free membership you can play up to 4 games at once.
if you want to play more than 4 games at once, you can buy a subscription for one year and you will no longer limit.

Conquerclub therefore does not sell anything.
It receives no profit from a map in particular.
What he gets is used to cover the running costs of the servers.
Do you think that this can be considered to all intents and purposes a "commercial purpose web site"?

[Herwin - 21/07/13 21:46]
Hi Blakkrose, your adaptions to the map look great (note btw that you created a derivative work, and normally this not allowed under the license provided (The SA “Share Alike” part)). But as long as this is used for non-commercial purposes, I will allow you to create a derivative work.

However I’m not sure I understand your question. There is a website that requests members for content, and then copyrights this, and charges other members to use this? If this is the case, I’m afraid this commercial use, and hence not possible with the license provided.

Best regards,
Herwin

[Blakkrose - 20 juli 2013 14:30]
Hello, Herwin
i'm Blakkrose.

I asked you the permission to use your ISO dungeon map (http://fantasy-maps.com/wp-content/gall ... _thime.jpg)
and you answer that you map is released under CC-BY-NC-SA license.

Now Conquerclub asked me the right to use my work for commercial purpose becouse they have free users but also premium users who pay an annual fee.

I'm so sorry but i ask your help.

How can I do?
Can I delete typical items and locations from your map and only use the main concept?
This is my last work: http://www.blakkrose.altervista.org/Tem ... e_Ver2.jpg
I can eliminate Machine Room, modify Treasure Cave, Lost City, Abandoned Mine, the Temple and change locations names.
What do you think about?

Thanks
Blakkrose

Thank you for the encouragement!!!

Seamus76 · Post by **Seamus76** » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:22 pm

Awesome job! Way to stick with it. Now, let's make a map!

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:09 am

Seamus76 wrote:Awesome job! Way to stick with it. Now, let's make a map!

OK, i'm ready.

What can i do to advance the creation of the map?

Post by **iancanton** » Wed Jul 24, 2013 4:23 pm

what role do u want the monsters to play? at the moment, everyone will ignore them because the winning condition is difficult, the neutrals are very high and the monsters have no bonus.

ian.

Blakkrose · Post by **Blakkrose** » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:58 am

iancanton wrote:what role do u want the monsters to play? at the moment, everyone will ignore them because the winning condition is difficult, the neutrals are very high and the monsters have no bonus.

ian.

I thought that since killing monsters is part of victory conditions was not the case of giving a bonus for killing them...
if it needed i can insert a bonus for some monster:

Flying Eye + Ghost + Mummy = +2
Giant = +1
Hydra = +1
Octopus = +1
Last Warrior = +1

Red Dragon guards the treasure so there is no bonus for killing him, but I can increase the bonus for the Treasure from +1 to +2

The only monster to kill for access to the Temple of Thime is the Marine Serpent so there is no bonus for killing him. Remember that St4 teleport (the Statue of Thime) connects with all the other teleport and this is a great strategic advantage.

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