The Wire Mafia Day 6 [4/13]

[jonty125]

Claim Time, Comrade.

[Djfireside]

Wow I get caught up over the weekend and things go to hell.

First off...

An explanation for my actions regarding Jonty on Day 2. My role is also Cop. That is why I was so intent on asking Jonty about his sanity. My Night 1 investigation was stubbsKVM and I got a guilty result. Unfortunately I was out of town Night 2 and didn't get my action in so that is all the data I have right now.
Since Jonty was correct on Betiko yesterday I am going to assume that he is sane and I am not. As such I now trust his result on stubbsKVM over my own.
I will post some more useful analysis tomorrow morning.

And I will denote this, You say you are a COP, WHO ARE YOU. Dont throw out one part and lead away from it. I read 4 more posts afterwards and each time someone asked so I think you are avoiding it.


As for Comrade, I have been watching him since the beginning and would like to hear the claim to put more pieces together.

At this point I will wait on comrade to respond to pressure but cant bypass spies on this and will change my vote if necessary but spies has earned this for hardcore avoidance

VOTE SPIESR

[new guy1]

Wow I get caught up over the weekend and things go to hell.

First off...

An explanation for my actions regarding Jonty on Day 2. My role is also Cop. That is why I was so intent on asking Jonty about his sanity. My Night 1 investigation was stubbsKVM and I got a guilty result. Unfortunately I was out of town Night 2 and didn't get my action in so that is all the data I have right now.
Since Jonty was correct on Betiko yesterday I am going to assume that he is sane and I am not. As such I now trust his result on stubbsKVM over my own.
I will post some more useful analysis tomorrow morning.

And I will denote this, You say you are a COP, WHO ARE YOU. Dont throw out one part and lead away from it. I read 4 more posts afterwards and each time someone asked so I think you are avoiding it.


As for Comrade, I have been watching him since the beginning and would like to hear the claim to put more pieces together.

At this point I will wait on comrade to respond to pressure but cant bypass spies on this and will change my vote if necessary but spies has earned this for hardcore avoidance

VOTE SPIESR

He DID say who he was, and I even requoted him saying it so that ghostly could read it again too because he missed the post too. The blue part:

Not all hope is dead, you may see the opposite results rather than the correct one... Or you may just be insane or whatever and see everyone as guilty.

Right, I could either be paranoid (useless) or insane (potentially useful if known). The problem is that I need to have an investigation come up innocent before I can know which it is, and since I missed Night 2 I only have one result so far.
Character is Detective Thomas "Herk" Hauk, for those who know more about the source and might be able to guess my sanity based on flavor.

Someone even posted and commented on the role's possible affiliation:

Not all hope is dead, you may see the opposite results rather than the correct one... Or you may just be insane or whatever and see everyone as guilty.

Right, I could either be paranoid (useless) or insane (potentially useful if known). The problem is that I need to have an investigation come up innocent before I can know which it is, and since I missed Night 2 I only have one result so far.
Character is Detective Thomas "Herk" Hauk, for those who know more about the source and might be able to guess my sanity based on flavor.

Well after doing a bit of research I personally don't feel like Herk is a cop role in this game. He would fit better as a roleblocker/Body guard from the description I found on him. If I were to make an assumption about the character and believe you Spiesr, I would think he would be an Insane cop.

show: my research results

I would like someone to verify that the research is a fairly correct assessment of Herk. I don't trust Wikipedia half the time.

Vote Comrade With it being fairly soon before the day ends I think we aught to get a claim, and we can't have people skimming through the posts and missing half the info.

I understand you caught up quickly to see what was happening, but did you have to skim the whole game?

[Djfireside]

Well damn. I reread it even after you stated that and still missed it on the read back. My apologies.

UNVOTE

since you are no longer deserving.

As for Comrade as stated before I would like to hear the claim so I will add to the pressure now that my inital banter on Spies is gone Thanx NG

[spiesr]

Comrade Kirk, the quotes that ghostly quoted are in order of appearance. Dj posted the post prior to ghostly. Ghostly is correct right now and your case isnt making any sense. Also, I posted it as a suggestion, for speculation. I already answered it in my post so you're either skimming my posts or you are choosing to ignore what I say and repeating questions that have already been answered. Either way, I dont like it, so I will Vote Comrade Kirk for holding the game up and overall pushing a pointless case which has been proven wrong time and time again.

I feel that this is at the very least an overestimate of the situation. Saying that the case "has been proven wrong" repeatedly goes well beyond what can be established from the information we have so far. You can say that the case is very good or that ghostly has addressed it in a way that satisfies you or that some details were incorrect, but the idea that ghostly may have wanted to try to weaken the evidence against Betiko can't be proven one way or the other at this time. Unless of course you have some info not publicly available. Anyhow FOS Newguy & ghostly, should one flip scum at some point I would strongly suggest looking at the other.

[new guy1]

Comrade Kirk, the quotes that ghostly quoted are in order of appearance. Dj posted the post prior to ghostly. Ghostly is correct right now and your case isnt making any sense. Also, I posted it as a suggestion, for speculation. I already answered it in my post so you're either skimming my posts or you are choosing to ignore what I say and repeating questions that have already been answered. Either way, I dont like it, so I will Vote Comrade Kirk for holding the game up and overall pushing a pointless case which has been proven wrong time and time again.

I feel that this is at the very least an overestimate of the situation. Saying that the case "has been proven wrong" repeatedly goes well beyond what can be established from the information we have so far. You can say that the case is very good or that ghostly has addressed it in a way that satisfies you or that some details were incorrect, but the idea that ghostly may have wanted to try to weaken the evidence against Betiko can't be proven one way or the other at this time. Unless of course you have some info not publicly available. Anyhow FOS Newguy & ghostly, should one flip scum at some point I would strongly suggest looking at the other.

Okay, I have no idea what you meant by that. The quoted post was breaking down what ghostly has been trying to tell him the whole time Kirk tried to make the case on him, but really broken down so that he could see what was being said from a third party, re-evaluated by himself by checking to make sure that ghostly's post was in fact after Dj's, and therefore Kirk was in the wrong. The second part was a vote because he spent half the day trying to push a case that was stomped out after his very first post, and I didnt see a better case at that time... But whatever, no vote so I'm not going to worry too much over that.

Anytime, Dj

[Comrade Kirk]

I was convinced that I had caught on to something and, despite rereading posts several times, I was too stubborn to see the evidence which was right in front of me. While it was just ghostly pointing out my mistake, I ignored the obvious but as soon as someone else pointed out the same thing I realised that I might actually have made a mistake. I've wasted half of a day phase and made myself look like an idiot, but nothing I have done is scummy. I made a mistake and persisted with it for too long, but that is all I did. I understand that you guys want me to claim, but I never roleclaim and I'm not about to start in this game (mafia safe claims make roleclaiming fairly pointless and just telling everyone who you are kind of defeats the purpose of the game). If my refual to claim convinces you to lynch me, I suggest you say so without voting for me. I will use my role on New Guy during the night phase and you will find out the truth about two of us instead of taking out a (confused) town player and still being in the dark about the PGO. If New Guy is telling the truth, I will be dead tomorrow and his role will be confirmed. If he is lying, his lie will be revealed in the write-up and you will know everything you need to know about me.

[jonty125]

I was convinced that I had caught on to something and, despite rereading posts several times, I was too stubborn to see the evidence which was right in front of me. While it was just ghostly pointing out my mistake, I ignored the obvious but as soon as someone else pointed out the same thing I realised that I might actually have made a mistake. I've wasted half of a day phase and made myself look like an idiot, but nothing I have done is scummy. I made a mistake and persisted with it for too long, but that is all I did. I understand that you guys want me to claim, but I never roleclaim and I'm not about to start in this game (mafia safe claims make roleclaiming fairly pointless and just telling everyone who you are kind of defeats the purpose of the game). If my refual to claim convinces you to lynch me, I suggest you say so without voting for me. I will use my role on New Guy during the night phase and you will find out the truth about two of us instead of taking out a (confused) town player and still being in the dark about the PGO. If New Guy is telling the truth, I will be dead tomorrow and his role will be confirmed. If he is lying, his lie will be revealed in the write-up and you will know everything you need to know about me.

unvote, vote Comrade Kirk for all we know you could be mafia goon, deliberately not target new guy1 he gets pinned as scum, mislynch on D4. WIFOM, I acknowledge but I aren't willing to take the risk.

[StubbsKVM]

That's a really crappy excuse not to claim.

Is Kirk at L-1 now?

Intent to hammer.

[jonty125]

That's a really crappy excuse not to claim.

Is Kirk at L-1 now?

Intent to hammer.

Oui

[lynx_]

I can never resist a hammer! If he's scum he won't target new guy, and we've wasted a day. See y'all tomorrow!

Vote: Captain Kirk

[thechuck51]

Vote Count 3.4

Comrade Kirk (6) - safariguy5, ghostly447, new guy1, skillfusniper, Jonty, lynx_, LYNCH

Not Voting: spiesr, Djfireside, stubbsKVM

Comrade Kirk has been lynched.

[thechuck51]

Thy grabbed the uncooperative man by his long black trench coat and dragged him toward the noose that hung from the thick support beam that ran along the center of the detail headquarters. He was a legend on the streets of Baltimore, a sort of ghetto Robin Hood but he held no animosity towards his executioners, this was all just part of the game.

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It is now Night 3. Any actions not submitted by 10 pm eastern on Saturday July 6th will be forfeited. NIght 3 will be four days long due to the 4th of July holiday.[/b]

[thechuck51]

A dark sedan pulled into the driveway of a small house. The driver's thoughts strayed from his police work as he was reminded of his days playing high school lacrosse by the old sweatshirt he was wearing. He remembered that he was pretty good, though he would never tell anybody because he was just a humble brother with a big dick. He was so lost in his own thoughts that he never heard the footsteps approaching from behind him. His thoughts of high school glory were only interrupted by the bullet that entered his brain. As he fell to the ground he heard the sound of footsteps running away from him before his mind went dark.

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Day 4 has begun

Vote Count 4.0

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Not Voting: Jonty, spiesr, lynx_, skillfusniper, new guy1, Djfireside, ghostly447, stubbsKVM

With 8 Alive it takes 5 to Lynch

Deadline is Wednesday July 17th at 10pm Eastern (9 days, 23 hours, 45 minutes remaining)

[spiesr]

Okay, so my results for last Night are: skillfusniper33 (Guilty)
Accordingly I can make no further determinations about my sanity.

[lynx_]

Jonty, your result?

So, spiesr is still either insane or paranoid. Is there no compelling flavour justification either way?

Is superkeener ghostly? Was he replaced or is that a mod mistake?

Anyway, I still think new guy is probably scum. I'll read through the bandwagon yesterday and see if I can pick anything up.

[safariguy5]

Damn, gg guys, go town

[jonty125]

I investigated spieser last night, innocent.

(could still be GF)

[StubbsKVM]

Would anyone agree that there is probably a Mafia Rolecop?

Jonty pretty much cleared me yesterday, but they still decided to kill Saf, the busdriver, instead of me.

I honestly didn't think I would be around today.

[jonty125]

Would anyone agree that there is probably a Mafia Rolecop?

Jonty pretty much cleared me yesterday, but they still decided to kill Saf, the busdriver, instead of me.

I honestly didn't think I would be around today.

Hmmm. This post smells slightly scummy to me. Surely scum would have crosshairs over me and (and to a lesser extent) spieser.

[StubbsKVM]

true, but not while we have a busdriver, right?

[StubbsKVM]

I will agree that you are now the likely target Jonty.
Spiesr not so much, because we don't know what kind of cop he is.

I just don't really see why they would target Saf.

[thechuck51]

Is superkeener ghostly? Was he replaced or is that a mod mistake?

Mod mistake. It's been corrected.

[Djfireside]

Okay, so my results for last Night are: skillfusniper33 (Guilty)
Accordingly I can make no further determinations about my sanity.

Spies, why wouldnt you check against someone who you thought was town. Plus your other investigation does have a second lead against it so you should have some idea. I believe your charecter should be in the game but Im starting to have swayed thoughts.

As per lynx's satatement I have been thinking about NG's claim and been rolling it around in my head for a while since PGO is normally a shield claim.

Stubbs you seem a bit jumpy since you are supposedly cleared.

[spiesr]

Okay, so my results for last Night are: skillfusniper33 (Guilty)
Accordingly I can make no further determinations about my sanity.

Spies, why wouldnt you check against someone who you thought was town. Plus your other investigation does have a second lead against it so you should have some idea. I believe your charecter should be in the game but Im starting to have swayed thoughts.

Let me try to explain this situation to you. Since Jonty was correct about Betiko we are currently assuming that he is Sane. Since his result against Stubbs said he was Innocent and mine said he was Guilty I am assumed to be either Paranoid or Insane. In order to figure out if I am Insane I need to get an Innocent result, which would only happen if I investigate a Scum aligned player. (Or a miller?) If I were to investigate someone I already knew to be town I would get back a Guilty result which provides me with no new information.