[LHC] Lx HandiCup I - [1.- Man D | 2.- ID | 3.- LOTZ]

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[LHC] Lx HandiCup I - [1.- Man D | 2.- ID | 3.- LOTZ]

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Lx HandiCup - First Edition
Brought to you by Lx, winner of the Golden Prime for the "Best Large-Team Tournament" with TLO 2010 III

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MVP: Twopoint (Imperial Dragoons - ID)

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Short cuts: LATEST UPDATE | QUESTIONS & ANSWERS | PARTICIPATING CLANS | BRACKET | ROUND INFO & RESULTS

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This tournament has been approved by the Clan Department.

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General description
[spoiler=description, rules, etc.]Contrary to my previous TLO Tournaments, this is a Clan Tournament and it’s in a Cup or Bracket Format. The drawing for the first round will be random. There is a twist though: I will give the participating clans a handicap, so that all clans theoretically have the same chance to win. There are some more things unconventional in the set-up of this tournament: There are only a limited amount of “home maps and settings”, the majority of the games will be played on the same maps and with the same settings for all clans. Furthermore, there will be less than 40 games each round and only the winners and 2nd and 3rd place will get a Clan Achievement Medal.

I got the idea for this and the “handicap”, reading the Conqueror’s Cup 4 thread. I know it won’t be everybody’s cup of tea. It’s supposed to be a relatively uncomplicated, quick and fun tournament for established, active clans, with a chance for every clan to win.


Scheduled Start Date: Between May 15 and 30, 2013. Estimated Duration: 4 or 5 Months, playing one round per month.

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The Handicap System

The handicap system is based on the F400 Rankings. At the beginning of the tournament the rating of all clans is divided by 40. The difference between the outcome of the highest and lowest ranked clans is the handicap of the highest ranked clan. The lowest ranked clan will have a handicap of zero. The handicap is the amount of games clan has to win more than the opposing clan if the amount of games would be 40. However we will play 15 games a round, so the amount of games a clan has to win more will be proportional to that.
Example: Suppose two clans meet in round 1. Clan A has a handicap of 16 and clan B has a handicap of 9 (comparable to KORT playing Dynasty at the moment). Over 15 games that means that clan A would have to win 2 more games than clan B (decimals will be ignored in this final calculation). So, if clan A wins 9 games and clan B wins 6 games, clan A would win the round. Now, what happens if they would end up with a score of clan A 8 wins and clan B 7 wins? If the game difference is an even amount, as in this example, and the score ends with 1 game difference of the amount, a tiebreaker is needed because the clans should play an even amount of games, i.e., 16 instead of 15 games.

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Bracket

The tournament bracket is a standard, single elimination format. Hopefully we’ll have 32 clans participating and play 5 rounds to determine the winner. There will be an extra round to determine 3rd place. If we don’t get 32 clans some clans may get a bye or some clans may have to play a qualification round.

The draw for the bracket will be random.

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Games, Maps & Settings

Every round will consist of 15 games: 3 doubles, 3 triples and 3 quads games, with fixed maps and settings. Every clan will also choose 3 “home maps and settings”.

For the fixed maps and settings, go to: ROUND INFO & RESULTS

For the “home maps and settings” a clan can choose any map except Beta maps. A clan can only use a map once per round and twice in the whole tournament.

Available game types: Standard (1 v 1), Doubles, Triples, Quadruples

Available settings: Automatic, Sequential, Escalating, Nuclear, Flat Rate, No Spoils, Chained, Adjacent, Unlimited, Fog of War, Trench Warfare.

NOT allowed: Manual, Freestyle

All games will be 24 hour games (i.e., no speed games) and have a round limit of 20 rounds.

All tie-breaker games will be triples on Classic, escalating, Chained, Sunny, No Trench.

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Signing up a Clan:

[Edited April 25, 2013] To be eligible for participation in this tournament, a clan has to:

  • Have completed at least 1 clan war before April 2012.
  • Adhere to the “1 clan rule”.
  • Be listed on the F400 Ranking.
  • Have completed a minimum of 4 clan wars.

OR:

  • Be listed in the top 10 of the F400 clan ranking.

*Note: I reserve the right to deny entry to any clan (after consulting with the clan department).


To sign up as a clan, you need to provide me with:

  • Full clan name
  • Commonly used clan name abbreviation
  • Primary contact person
  • Secondary contact person
  • List of players
  • Links to the 4 completed clan wars (if applicable)

The minimum amount of players you need to sign up is 10, the maximum amount is 16. [EDIT] Since my main concern for the the maximum amount was medals, I have now canceled this rule. The minimum amount of players remains at 10. [/EDIT]

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Player Assignments & Changing Players

It’s up the clans to decide who joins which game. However, the following restrictions apply:

A player [EDIT] has to play at least 1 game per round and [/EDIT] cannot play more than 6 games a round. A player can play a maximum of 2 games in every category: doubles, triples, quads, home games, away games. In other words, a player cannot play 3 doubles and 3 home games, for example.

You can change a player in your player list any time between rounds. You will need to post that in this thread and notify me by PM before that player can join any games.

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Creating Games & Joining Games

Before every round, the clan contacts will have to send me their “home games”. If they fail do so on time, their “home games” will be 1 double, 1 triple and 1 quad on Classic, They will all have the same settings: Escalating, Chained, Sunny, No Trench.

I will create all games and send a PM to the clan contacts with the game numbers and password(s). From that moment on, clans have 96 hours, or 4 full days, to join the games. If a game has not been filled by then, it will be forfeited. If one clan has filled all player spots and the other clan hasn’t, it will be counted as a win for the clan that filled the player spots. If neither clan has filled all spots it will be disregarded. No mercy, no breaks, no excuses, this is a rule I will not deviate from.

If a game is mistakenly joined by the “wrong player”, I will only remake that game if that is agreed upon by both clans. Examples are: A player joining more than 6 games in a round, a player joining more than 2 games of a certain category, a player joining the wrong team, etc. If this happens more than once, I reserve the right to forfeit the game(s) affected. It is up to the clans and their contacts to make sure every player joins the right games and the right amount of games.

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Clan Contact Responsibilities

  1. Sign up your clan with your name, the contacts and the players.
  2. Make sure you have enough players on your list to be able to keep participating.
  3. Register any player changes with the organizer (me).
  4. Send me your “home maps and setting” in time for every round.
  5. Ensure that your team joins their games within the time limit.
  6. In general ensure that there will be as little delay as possible during this tournament.

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Clan Achievement Medal

Apart from the clan war/tournament rules, you’ll have to comply with the tournament rules to be eligible for a Clan Achievement Medal.

viewtopic.php?f=438&t=150201

Note: If you sign up 10 players, and we play 5 rounds, each player would have to play at least 10 games (or 2 games per round) to be eligible for a Clan Achievement Medal.

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Fog of War Courtesy Rule

There is no rule enforced in this tournament. Clans are free to decide between themselves if they would like to apply Fog of War Courtesy Rule or not. If that agreement between clans would be broken or cause any problems, it is up to the clans in question to deal with it. I will be available to mediate, if both clans would want me to.

Suggestion:
If a player accidentally breaks the fog rule, the player can simply post whatever they did, giving the information that a person would have got from a snapshot prior to the turn.

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Account Sitting Rules

Please make sure you are familiar with “The Clan Sitting Rules” before signing up for this tournament:

viewtopic.php?f=438&t=184910

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General CC Rules

If a player breaks a General CC Rule please go through the proper channels to report that player. This means filing a report with the C&A Department:

viewforum.php?f=5

Any effects from decisions by the C&A Department on the tournament will stand. For example: If a player gets removed from a game for “violating the rules” or a player gets banned and can’t take his turns, the outcome of those games will count and no new games will be made. The only exception would be if the C&A Department reverses their ruling.

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Clan Rules

If a player breaks a Clan Rule please report this to appropriate Clan Directors.

Any effects from decisions by the Clan Director(s) on the tournament will stand. For example: If a player gets banned and can’t take his turns, the outcome of those games will count and no new games will be made. The only exception would be if the Clan Director(s) reverses their ruling.

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Additional Rules & Notes

  1. If a tournament rule is broken that is not covered by the General CC or Clan Rules, please report that to me. I will generally follow the “warning, temporary ban, disqualification” route. See also points 2 and 3.
  2. I reserve the right to deny entry or disqualify any clan and/or player that does not comply with any of the rules stated in this post.
  3. I reserve the right to take whatever measure(s) necessary to ensure that the tournament will be played in a fair, fun and timely manner.
  4. If a tournament rule is broken that is not covered by the General CC or Clan Rules, please report that to me. I will generally follow the “warning, temporary ban, disqualification” route.
  5. If an issue arises that has not been covered in this post, I will do my best to solve it in a reasonable manner. If necessary I will seek advice from Clan Directors, Clan Leaders or independent third parties.
  6. If a clan or player would like to appeal my decision(s), please contact the appropriate Clan Director(s).
  7. Please let me know if you have any questions.

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Most Valuable Player (MVP) - General Achievement Medal for the winner.

The MVP of this tournament will be the player with the highest win percentage who also complies with the requisites mentioned below.

The player must have:

  1. Been a member of the same clan for the whole tournament.
  2. Participated in all the rounds of this tournament the clan participated in.
  3. Played a minimum of 6 games (50% of the total amount of games a player can participate in, based on the total amount of games divided by the amount of players).
  4. Played at least 1 doubles, 1 triples, 1 quads, 1 “home” and 1 “away” games.
  5. Followed the tournament rules, clan rules and Conquer Club rules and/or guidelines for the duration of this tournament.
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List of Participating Clans

  1. One Step Ahead - OSA
  2. The Fraternal Order of Exceptional Drinkers - FOED
  3. Imperial Dragoons - ID
  4. Manifest Destiny - MD (Man D.)
  5. The New Crusade - TNC
  6. The Headless Horsemen - HH
  7. Grim Reapers - GR
  8. The Fantastic Four-Skins - TFFS
  9. Legends of the Zone - LOTZ

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Tournament started May 21, 2013.
Tournament completed January 25, 2014
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Lx HandiCup [Q&A]

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QUESTIONS & ANSWERS

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Swifte wrote:Can you give me a more detailed example of the handicapping, using the F400 and showing all your math.

Answer: Here you go. The first example is obviously extreme and wouldn't happen because RS would not be allowed in the tournament. It's all hypothetical until I know which clans participate.

KORT: 1393/40=34.852
RS: 656/40=16.4
Difference=18.452
Handicap KORT=18.452
Handicap RS=0
15/40=0.375x100=37.5%
37.5%x18.452=6.9195
Decimals ignored=6
If KORT were to play RS KORT would have to win 6 games more than RS
With 15 games KORT would have to win 11 of the 15 games to win the round
Now lets’ have PACK play MYTH:
PACK: 1297/40=32.245-16.4=16.025
MYTH: 1063/40=26.575-16.4=10.175
Difference=5.85
37.5%x5.85=2.1937
Decimals ignored=2
PACK (ranked 4) would have to win 2 games more than MYTH (ranked 14) to win the round.

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Chariot of Fire wrote:Why have a maximum number of players that can participate? I can understand the need for a minimum, but by placing a ceiling on the number I would have to tell a couple of guys in my clan "We're joining TLO V but sorry mate, you can't play". That doesn't seem right. Have I misread something or is this really the rule?

Answer: The maximum number of 16 was not chosen "arbitrarily". With that amount of players, all players would still be eligible for a medal. With more players that could become an issue. However, if there is a general consensus amongst (potentially participating) clans that the maximum amount of players should be raised, I'm willing to consider that. In that case players would be able to play, but may not be eligible for a medal though.... (see also question below)

Chariot of Fire wrote:So if the ceiling was raised and we could involve all clan members you would have to introduce some criteria to award achievement medals to just 16 of them, e.g. for best win % after a reaching a minimum number of games, e.g. 6. ??

Answer: If the ceiling the will be raised, I will be able to work something out on the medal issue. So, no worries there (thanks to the CD in charge of that).

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benga wrote:one more thing is this for officers only?

Answer: Nope. Now that it's a clan tournament I'm no longer using that as a requirement.

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Foxglove wrote:Why do you have the requirement that every player has to play at least 1 game per round? It will mean that anytime a person wants to sit out a round for vacation reasons (or whatever else), the player list will have to be altered. Was that your intention?

Answer: Mmmm...., no it was not my intention to have clans change the player list if a player sits out a round. I decided this more with medals in mind. With one round per month, 15 games, do you think this could become an issue? I don't think people are away for that long generally.

On the other hand, IF I raise the ceiling of 16 players (as mentioned previous in this thread), I may also have to re-think the above rule.

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Denise wrote:I have a question. In most clan events of late there is a rule against players playing for more than one clan in the same event (if they change clans during the event). Since this isn't mentioned, I assume it isn't an issue for this tournament?

I understand the pros and cons, and don't consider it an issue. Once again I guess it could be an issue for medals though.

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Swifte wrote:For the home games, am I understanding correctly you can pick any mix of team sizes you want each round? Could do 3 1v1s, 3 quads, or a dubs a trips and a quads?

That is correct.

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BGtheBrain wrote:When do signups close?

Aiming for May 15, the latest.

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macbone wrote:OK, I updated my post with a roster of players. Can changes be made up to the close of sign-ups, as long as we have 10 players?

Yes, that is no problem. Just make sure no players enter games when they are not officially registered here.

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ViperOverLord wrote:Will clans be responsible for running round threads or will this all be done here?

I will do everything and keep track in this thread, on page 1.

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Lx HandiCup [Participating Clans]

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PARTICIPATING CLANS, CONTACTS & PLAYERS

Updated: September 25

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Lx HandiCup [Bracket]

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BRACKET

Updated: January 25

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[spoiler=results from random.org]There were 9 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

1. F
2. B
3. E
4. D
5. I
6. G
7. C
8. H
9. A

Timestamp: 2013-05-20 18:23:02 UTC[/spoiler]
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Lx HandiCup [Round Info & Results]

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ROUND INFO & RESULTS

Updated: January 25

Round 1 (Completed)

Maps & Settings
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Schedule and Results
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Rosters
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Round 2 (Completed)

Links to the games for Round 2 (tx to Swifte): HH v FOED | TNC v MAN D | ID v TFFS | LOTZ v GR

Maps & Settings
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Schedule
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Rosters
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Round 3 (Completed)

Links to the games for Round 3: HH v MAN D | LOTZv ID

Maps & Settings
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Schedule
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Rosters
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Round 4 - Final (Completed)

Maps & Settings
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Schedule
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Rosters
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Round 5 - 3rd Place (Completed)

Maps & Settings
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Schedule
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Rosters
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Can you give me a more detailed example of the handicapping, using the F400 and showing all your math.
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Full clan name: One Step Ahead
Commonly used clan name abbreviation: OSA
Primary contact person: benga
Secondary contact person: silversun6
List of players: when I calculate the whole thing
Links to the 4 completed clan wars:
viewtopic.php?t=166365
viewtopic.php?t=179479
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=180843
viewtopic.php?f=441&t=180098
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Swifte wrote:Can you give me a more detailed example of the handicapping, using the F400 and showing all your math.


Here you go. The first example is obviously extreme and wouldn't happen because RS would not be allowed in the tournament. It's all hypothetical until I know which clans participate.

KORT: 1393/40=34.852
RS: 656/40=16.4
Difference=18.452
Handicap KORT=18.452
Handicap RS=0
15/40=0.375x100=37.5%
37.5%x18.452=6.9195
Decimals ignored=6
If KORT were to play RS KORT would have to win 6 games more than RS
With 15 games KORT would have to win 11 of the 15 games to win the round
Now lets’ have PACK play MYTH:
PACK: 1297/40=32.245-16.4=16.025
MYTH: 1063/40=26.575-16.4=10.175
Difference=5.85
37.5%x5.85=2.1937
Decimals ignored=2
PACK (ranked 4) would have to win 2 games more than MYTH (ranked 14) to win the round.
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ohhhhh you said "the ranking of the clan is divided by 40" so for KORT i was doing 1 / 40. Thank you for showing the example.
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benga wrote:Full clan name: One Step Ahead
Commonly used clan name abbreviation: OSA
Primary contact person: benga
Secondary contact person: silversun6
List of players: when I calculate the whole thing
Links to the 4 completed clan wars:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=166365
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=179479
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=180843
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 1&t=180098


Thanks benga! I need one link to a clan war your clan completed in 2011 please.
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Swifte wrote:ohhhhh you said "the ranking of the clan is divided by 40" so for KORT i was doing 1 / 40. Thank you for showing the example.


Sorry, my mistake, I meant "Rating". I'll change it in the OP.

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Atlantis doesn't meet the requirements! :mrgreen:
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Neither do FISO - we're just too darn young and good looking! :twisted:

Good luck to all in this competition - looks like a good one and I'll look forward to being able to enter in 2 years time :-P
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crispybits wrote:Neither do FISO - we're just too darn young and good looking! :twisted:

Good luck to all in this competition - looks like a good one and I'll look forward to being able to enter in 2 years time :-P


Thanks!

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Lindax wrote:Signing up a Clan:

To be eligible for participation in this tournament, a clan has to:

  • Be a competitive clan since before January 1st, 2011.
  • Adhere to the “1 clan rule”.
  • Be listed on the F400 Ranking.
  • Have completed a minimum of 4 clan wars during 2011 and 2012.
  • Have completed at least 1 clan war in both years.

So, clans must be over 2 years old to participate. That seems kind of like an arbitrary date to me. Was there a reason that you chose that date?
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chapcrap wrote:
Lindax wrote:Signing up a Clan:

To be eligible for participation in this tournament, a clan has to:

  • Be a competitive clan since before January 1st, 2011.
  • Adhere to the “1 clan rule”.
  • Be listed on the F400 Ranking.
  • Have completed a minimum of 4 clan wars during 2011 and 2012.
  • Have completed at least 1 clan war in both years.

So, clans must be over 2 years old to participate. That seems kind of like an arbitrary date to me. Was there a reason that you chose that date?


Don't know why you use the word arbitrary. I wanted to create an event for established clans (as opposed to the Newcomers Cup, for example). Looking at the F400 Ranking and everything else going on in the clan world, I figured 2 years was a good amount of time on CC to call a clan established. I didn't just pick a date without any research, if that's what you mean....

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So, you're saying you researched it or that you figured it was a good date?

I said arbitrary because it seems like a random date that doesn't have a lot of use other than to do it.

Do you think you'll get enough sign ups to keep the MVP award?
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Lindax wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Lindax wrote:Signing up a Clan:

To be eligible for participation in this tournament, a clan has to:

  • Be a competitive clan since before January 1st, 2011.
  • Adhere to the “1 clan rule”.
  • Be listed on the F400 Ranking.
  • Have completed a minimum of 4 clan wars during 2011 and 2012.
  • Have completed at least 1 clan war in both years.

So, clans must be over 2 years old to participate. That seems kind of like an arbitrary date to me. Was there a reason that you chose that date?


Don't know why you use the word arbitrary. I wanted to create an event for established clans (as opposed to the Newcomers Cup, for example). Looking at the F400 Ranking and everything else going on in the clan world, I figured 2 years was a good amount of time on CC to call a clan established. I didn't just pick a date without any research, if that's what you mean....

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It just excludes quite a number of clans who may want & be able to participate if not for that longevity criterion etc. (Like Chap's Fallen etc)
I'm sure there could potentially be other methods to be able to verify how established a clan is?
For example, the merger between AoC & Emp may not qualify, but I'd imagine that overall with the Clan experience within our Combined clan (perhaps if you judge by average clan medals/longevity) we'd rival any of the most established clans.


I'm also concerned with how much appeal this could have for the Top Clans. It is another intriguing concept, but the fact that it does handicap the better clans could just lend them to prefer contests where they can win in absolute terms? Though I now do see why the strict criteria for entrance is intended to still keep it to an equivalent field where it shouldn't affect things too significantly!
In a sense it's also a decent way to discover the most Under-rated clan in terms of the F400
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chapcrap wrote:So, you're saying you researched it or that you figured it was a good date?

I said arbitrary because it seems like a random date that doesn't have a lot of use other than to do it.

Do you think you'll get enough sign ups to keep the MVP award?


I figured it was a good date after my research. It was definitely not random.

In no way shape or form did I do this to keep certain players out.

As for the MVP award: From my communications with the Head Clan Director I understood that the MVP will get a General Achievement Medal.

Is there something you're pissed off about? Or are you simply spamming the thread of a tournament your clan can't sign up for? Believe me, I had to check when your clan actually started before writing the prior sentence.

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Leehar wrote:
Lindax wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
Lindax wrote:Signing up a Clan:

To be eligible for participation in this tournament, a clan has to:

  • Be a competitive clan since before January 1st, 2011.
  • Adhere to the “1 clan rule”.
  • Be listed on the F400 Ranking.
  • Have completed a minimum of 4 clan wars during 2011 and 2012.
  • Have completed at least 1 clan war in both years.

So, clans must be over 2 years old to participate. That seems kind of like an arbitrary date to me. Was there a reason that you chose that date?


Don't know why you use the word arbitrary. I wanted to create an event for established clans (as opposed to the Newcomers Cup, for example). Looking at the F400 Ranking and everything else going on in the clan world, I figured 2 years was a good amount of time on CC to call a clan established. I didn't just pick a date without any research, if that's what you mean....

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It just excludes quite a number of clans who may want & be able to participate if not for that longevity criterion etc. (Like Chap's Fallen etc)
I'm sure there could potentially be other methods to be able to verify how established a clan is?
For example, the merger between AoC & Emp may not qualify, but I'd imagine that overall with the Clan experience within our Combined clan (perhaps if you judge by average clan medals/longevity) we'd rival any of the most established clans.


I'm also concerned with how much appeal this could have for the Top Clans. It is another intriguing concept, but the fact that it does handicap the better clans could just lend them to prefer contests where they can win in absolute terms? Though I now do see why the strict criteria for entrance is intended to still keep it to an equivalent field where it shouldn't affect things too significantly!


I don't know where this is coming from. I sent Bruce my idea and he said he'd share it with the CDs to see if this was something I could do.

Furthermore, I'm not concerned, why would you be? If enough clans like the concept they'll sign up. If not, it the tournament won't happen.

As for your last sentence: I'm not into clan politics and not bothered by any effects this tournament has on anything. I have no idea what "things" this tournament could "affect" and I don't care.

I thought you guys had enough topics to discuss endlessly in this forum. This one isn't up for discussion. If you like it you join, if you choose not to join, fine by me.

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Lindax wrote:I don't know where this is coming from. I sent Bruce my idea and he said he'd share it with the CDs to see if this was something I could do.

Furthermore, I'm not concerned, why would you be? If enough clans like the concept they'll sign up. If not, the tournament won't happen.

As for your last sentence: I'm not into clan politics and not bothered by any effects this tournament has on anything. I have no idea what "things" this tournament could "affect" and I don't care.

I thought you guys had enough topics to discuss endlessly in this forum. This one isn't up for discussion. If you like it you join, if you choose not to join, fine by me.

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Yeah, no issues, was just adding some general commentary since as you say, it's unlikely we'd be able to join either :)
The 'things' was just conjecture that the entry limitation will perhaps enable handicap to not have too great an effect on the contest, yet still provide an intriguing & entertaining feature.

But yeah, best of luck!
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What research led you to the date? If you did the research ahead, wouldn't you know who was eligible? It is irritating that I can't even bring this forward to my clan. By the time this starts, we'll have finished 10 clan wars and be ranked in the top 10. How is that not established? Not only that, the redundancy of the requirements is why I'm questioning. If you have been an active clan since January 1, 2001, then they would have 4 wars because you have to have that many in that time to be considered active.

This is why I ask you how you come to your criteria. Because I don't think you is the research and I think that the restrictions shouldn't have been allowed.
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chapcrap wrote:What research led you to the date? If you did the research ahead, wouldn't you know who was eligible? It is irritating that I can't even bring this forward to my clan. By the time this starts, we'll have finished 10 clan wars and be ranked in the top 10. How is that not established? Not only that, the redundancy of the requirements is why I'm questioning. If you have been an active clan since January 1, 2001, then they would have 4 wars because you have to have that many in that time to be considered active.

This is why I ask you how you come to your criteria. Because I don't think you is the research and I think that the restrictions shouldn't have been allowed.


Well, I'm terribly sorry you feel "irritated". Fortunately I'm not running this tournament through the Tournament Department , so I don't have to answer to you.

As far as I'm concerned you have 3 options:

  1. You can join a clan that's eligible if you're so desperate to play in my tournament.
  2. You can file a complaint with the Clan Department.
  3. You can take it like a man and join the next edition.

Whatever you choose to do, stop spamming my clan tournament thread with your petty complaints.

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