[Official] Holiday Mafia - Game Over!

[Metsfanmax]

Seeing as how whether betiko is mafia or not is a major point in the game at this point, obviously it would be good if we could have an investigation of him at night. If it clears him that's great, we have an active player on our side. If not, we lynch him. Although if mafia have a roleblocker or busdriver this complicates issues. Obviously the doctor has to protect Gustaf tonight if we are going to make that happen. But then there's no protection on our claimed Santa. And I just don't like that I now have to sacrifice soundman, who could have allied town, in order to make that investigation happen.

But it's out of my hands now, and since the deadline has now passed, I'll unvote until later tomorrow.

[spiesr]

Ok sounds fine. I will give soundman until tomorrow to respond,

Are you fully aware of the details of the situation at this point? Because you saying you will give Soundman a day to respond doesn't really make much sense in this context. We passed the deadline at little while ago (around the time you made this post I believe) and, barring any secret votes or stuff, there was a tie. According to pancakemix this means we will be going into some sort of 24 hour runoff period during which we will decide between Betiko and Soundman for today's lynch. The details of this are yet to be explained, (For instance what happens if the tie remains?) but presumably one of them will die at then end of it. (Reaching the 7 votes required for a normal lynch before that time seems exceedingly unlikely.

Can someone post on soundman's wall telling about his imminent lynch and defend his case? I have to go to bed and don't have the time right now.

What does anybody expect Soundman to actually say at this point in time? He will come in and vote for Betiko to preserve his own life of course, but what new defense do you think he could possibly provide? He claimed on Day 2, (I believe he is lying about his claim, but he certainly won't be changing his story now.) At present there isn't even a case against him. Betiko simply maneuvered into a situation where those who believe Betiko's claim and want to see him continue to live have to lynch Soundman even though he isn't scum or anything.

[rishaed]

Which benefits you as well, which is why your vote is on soundman. I would rather let you win, than lynch a claimed gifter at this point. I doubt I will change my opinion on that matter enough to change my vote from where it is. So theoretically speaking there are at least 3 votes on Soundman that aren't going to change, (me, you, betiko).

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote Soundman

I don't know about anyone else but it seems pretty self evident that betiko is who he says.

[anamainiacks]

Ok I will reveal this, mob I m the one who sent you your day 1 gift, and didn't t send you any night 2 for some reason.

It would've been great if MoB did respond to this - I do feel it's the best way to confirm your claim at this point, or even tomorrow. I still do think the cases you've been making have been pretty flimsy, but since my main concern was that your 'proof' of claim was purely hypothetical prior to this reveal, I shall unvote. And since this is the only alternative in the run-off, vote soundman.

As for how to confirm your claim, like I just stated, the best way would be for MoB to confirm the N1 gift, or Gustaf could rolecop you. Like you said yourself, don't reveal who you're sending your gift to, even when D4 comes! Since your target might only get his total of 2 gifts tonight, he won't get to trade it in till N4, so we don't want him to be a target on N4.

[Little Witt]

Oh really, sorry I thought I understood how this run-off stuff worked if I read your reply post correctly
Vote Soundman

[soundman]

Sorry I haven't been around, guys. I lost internet earlier this week and didn't get it back until today. I had no way to check this game or post to let everyone know what was happening. Sorry.

Anyways I think it's pretty stupid that everyone wants to lynch the Survivor and not the Lyncher... It looks like we're in a 24 hour runoff period so in order to try and save my life I'll Vote No Lynch (I believe PCM said we could do that). I'm not going to vote Betiko because I'm pretty sure he's town and I'm not going to hurt town's chances just to save myself. And no one would like me if I did.

[pancakemix]

Vote Count

Little Witt - 1 (edocsil)
betiko - 4 (Gustaf, MoB, Mets, animaniacks)
soundman - 4 (spiesr, rish, betiko, chuck)

Deadline February 22 at 11:59 PM ET. I'm tempted to discount anything after midnight (which is what the above VC reflects, but soundman hasn't posted in 6 days. Of course, he would fastpost me. That accounted for, I'll go ahead with the runoff.

And yes, Voting No Lynch is allowed.

[soundman]

Vote No Lynch.

[betiko]

Vote Count

Little Witt - 1 (edocsil)
betiko - 4 (Gustaf, MoB, Mets, animaniacks)
soundman - 4 (spiesr, rish, betiko, chuck)


Deadline February 22 at 11:59 PM ET. I'm tempted to discount anything after midnight (which is what the above VC reflects, but soundman hasn't posted in 6 days. Of course, he would fastpost me. That accounted for, I'll go ahead with the runoff.

And yes, Voting No Lynch is allowed.

I know you said that only you could do the vote count, I don t know if this is on purpose because of some mechanics but this is the old votecount unmodified from the deadline, thanks to clarify if it s a mistake or not.

[spiesr]

Questions, do votes cast/changed between the deadline and you "officially" declaring the runoff count towards the runoff or have they been undone?
Does the runoff end 24 hours after the original deadline, or 24 hours after your post?

[pancakemix]

Ah, I should be more clear on this:

- Yes, that's the "final" vote count for Day 3. I cut it off at 11:59. As of that VC, The vote count is cleared. Soundman's vote of NL counts.
- The run-off ends 24 hours after I declare a run-off (so after my previous post).
- If there isn't enough representation after 24 hours, I'll extended it 48, but no more. I'd like at least half the vote to show up.
- In the event of another tie, I'll give an extension and wipe the board again. A third tie will force a NL to prevent a deadlock.
- Also, I'm actively seeking a replacement for Kanin

Do not hesitate to ask if there are any other questions.

[Little Witt]

So do we have to revote again right now or after 11:59?

[rishaed]

The voting period goes until 5Pm tomorrow. Read what he says 24hrs after his last VC post, which is timestamped at 4:57pm for me. I'm usually in favor of a NL D1, but its D3 and I hate no progress. I think soundman is a good lynch today, maybe not the best, but also not the worst. vote soundman

[anamainiacks]

Ah, I should be more clear on this:

- Yes, that's the "final" vote count for Day 3. I cut it off at 11:59. As of that VC, The vote count is cleared. Soundman's vote of NL counts.
- The run-off ends 24 hours after I declare a run-off (so after my previous post).
- If there isn't enough representation after 24 hours, I'll extended it 48, but no more. I'd like at least half the vote to show up.
- In the event of another tie, I'll give an extension and wipe the board again. A third tie will force a NL to prevent a deadlock.
- Also, I'm actively seeking a replacement for Kanin

Do not hesitate to ask if there are any other questions.

Thanks for that, it really cleared things up (: since soundman's NL vote was counted, I assume we can cast our votes now too? So, vote soundman, for reasons I've already stated, and because I think his role is more than a mere survivor role.

Also, why are we seeking a replacement for Kanin? Isn't he already dead?

Fastposted

[Little Witt]

Vote Soundman

Just in case

[soundman]

Why do you all want to lynch me? It doesn't help the town. If you lynch me then Spiesr is declared a winner and removed from the game. So town then loses two people that could have helped them.

[Metsfanmax]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

[Little Witt]

Why do you all want to lynch me? It doesn't help the town. If you lynch me then Spiesr is declared a winner and removed from the game. So town then loses two people that could have helped them.

Can you tell me again what benefits you are to town? Your abilitys. Because I have forgotten a bit since D2. But your post looks like you have more to share, something your hiding from us. I am still sticking with my vote on you until you give us all the info on your abilities, so we can all judge if you are really that big of an importance for town that we shouldn't lynch you today.

[Iron Butterfly]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

Why would you direct the cop like that when Betiko will be able to easily prove his role tommorow?

Vote soundman

[Metsfanmax]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

Why would you direct the cop like that when Betiko will be able to easily prove his role tommorow?

Vote soundman

Because I put very little faith in that method. He could easily pick a mafia buddy and have that person "verify" receiving a gift.

[soundman]

Why do you all want to lynch me? It doesn't help the town. If you lynch me then Spiesr is declared a winner and removed from the game. So town then loses two people that could have helped them.

Can you tell me again what benefits you are to town? Your abilitys. Because I have forgotten a bit since D2. But your post looks like you have more to share, something your hiding from us. I am still sticking with my vote on you until you give us all the info on your abilities, so we can all judge if you are really that big of an importance for town that we shouldn't lynch you today.

I have no abilities. But I do have a vote and a voice! And you all know who I am which lowers the pool of unknown roles.

[Little Witt]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

Why would you direct the cop like that when Betiko will be able to easily prove his role tommorow?

Vote soundman

Because I put very little faith in that method. He could easily pick a mafia buddy and have that person "verify" receiving a gift.

That was what I was thinking when I asked for a cop on Betiko

[betiko]

Vote No Lynch

Frankly I don't like either of these choices at this point. Since we have a cop, he should investigate betiko before we do anything; and I see absolutely no value in lynching soundman (for the reasons he mentioned above).

Why would you direct the cop like that when Betiko will be able to easily prove his role tommorow?

Vote soundman

Because I put very little faith in that method. He could easily pick a mafia buddy and have that person "verify" receiving a gift.

I actually will say it out loud. I planned on sending a second gift to spiesr. If mafia wants to nk him go ahead. He should have won and probably will still be in the game. I don t think the snow miser could be a danger. If you guys want to waste our cop action go ahead, but a gifting mafia role with a roleblocker, a killer and a stealer wouldn't make any sense balance and flavorwise. I am unsure if we should keep soundman in the game or not..

[spiesr]

Well, you guys know where I stand on this of course. Vote Soundman I believe that puts us at seven total votes cast during the runoff period, reaching pancakemix's mandate for attendance required.