JK9++ ENDGAME Mafia Wins

[betiko]

good game. good luck town, but the way you follow scum, i dont see you as having much hope. sorry i didnt get the scene up

no offense but what about following the game and not saying that much illogical crap all the time, maybe we wouldn't all think you're scum in every single game you play..

you need to learn the difference between being scummy and scum. the reason you always try to lynch me is that you cant tell the difference, and i scare you because you think i might be scum. of course, scum gets confused too when im town, so i am an even more powerful weapon. and when, as in the majority of the time , i am scum, i can keep playing like normal, or look more town. you'll never know.

I was the one guys saying that you usually play like that and you weren't my top suspect because of that and because I know you play like that, but then you started saying that what was demonstrated was false (only one scum possible) and getting all nervous about the mass claim... which corners pretty much the scum. "the way you follow scum, i dont see you as having much hope" again one of your phrases, whatever happened tonight the scum left needs a miracle to win. even being dead you say scummy stuff dude!

[DoomYoshi]

The Town Doctor, Pancakemix v2, has died.

[samgrossy]

I'll be honest guys, the Math thing is hard to follow. But I don't see how it helps us to determine which of the VTs that claimed, including myself, is actually scum. We need some hardcore voting patterns and evidence to find the scum. Let's take some time to look through the evidence and find the one last scum.

[betiko]

I'll be honest guys, the Math thing is hard to follow. But I don't see how it helps us to determine which of the VTs that claimed, including myself, is actually scum. We need some hardcore voting patterns and evidence to find the scum. Let's take some time to look through the evidence and find the one last scum.

well, first things first, jonty has tracked someone and we will be able to clear that person. or if we are lucky he found the scum! pancake v2.0 kind of sacrificed himself to pull out this precious info...

regarding your question: the point was that we were able to clear 2 guys for sure and be sure that we were facing 1 scum and not 2.

here is the final list:

Jonty, tracker (proved)

vt claims including the last scum:
violet
betiko
iron butterfly
samgrossy
trinicardinal

[VioIet]

I can't wait to hear what Jonty found out last night! That will indeed determine our next step.

[trinicardinal]

I can't wait to hear what Jonty found out last night! That will indeed determine our next step.

Quite true... jonty we're anxiously awaiting your guidance.

[jonty125]

Iron Butterfly visited ... nobody

[jonty125]

I'll be honest guys, the Math thing is hard to follow. But I don't see how it helps us to determine which of the VTs that claimed, including myself, is actually scum. We need some hardcore voting patterns and evidence to find the scum. Let's take some time to look through the evidence and find the one last scum.

well, first things first, jonty has tracked someone and we will be able to clear that person. or if we are lucky he found the scum! pancake v2.0 kind of sacrificed himself to pull out this precious info...

regarding your question: the point was that we were able to clear 2 guys for sure and be sure that we were facing 1 scum and not 2.

here is the final list:

Jonty, tracker (proved)

vt claims including the last scum:
violet
betiko
iron butterfly
samgrossy
trinicardinal

Well vio is cleared as at N2, there was one killing role, mafia goon, and I tracked her and she went nowhere.

[betiko]

I'll be honest guys, the Math thing is hard to follow. But I don't see how it helps us to determine which of the VTs that claimed, including myself, is actually scum. We need some hardcore voting patterns and evidence to find the scum. Let's take some time to look through the evidence and find the one last scum.

well, first things first, jonty has tracked someone and we will be able to clear that person. or if we are lucky he found the scum! pancake v2.0 kind of sacrificed himself to pull out this precious info...

regarding your question: the point was that we were able to clear 2 guys for sure and be sure that we were facing 1 scum and not 2.

here is the final list:

Jonty, tracker (proved)

vt claims including the last scum:
violet
betiko
iron butterfly
samgrossy
trinicardinal

Well vio is cleared as at N2, there was one killing role, mafia goon, and I tracked her and she went nowhere.

Indeed, didn't think of this, vio was almost cleard but that was before realizing that there was only 1 killing role left on night 2; she is actually 100% cleared. this is the new official list:

Jonty, tracker (proved)
violet, vt (proved)
iron butterfly, vt (proved)

vt claims including the last scum:

betiko
samgrossy
trinicardinal

I obviously know my role and know that I'm a VT, and I have now th vote trinicardinal for a little scumslip he did a few posts ago:

@ Vio - I agree someone has to be fake claiming.

@ betiko yes we have a pretty good chance overall I'd say. vodean is definitely the main suspect still as far as I am concerned. I know you say that is his style but if so its a really scummy style. As for your feelings about me - I'm almost feeling like I'm back in NBC mafia except that the roles are a little different. Lynch me if you wish but if you do just make sure you get mafia before town loses.

Indeed, back then he leaded a mass claim campaign leading town for it while I was scum and lead him to get me. He is basically telling me that now the roles are inverted... major scumslip!

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

trinicardinal (1) - betiko

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

[VioIet]

If trini is scum, he has played very well. Same goes for Betiko.

Jonty- with Iron Butterfly being slighly inactive, I would have watched a really active player such as trini or Betiko. They would NOT miss their night action. But at least we know Iron Butterfly is town. So it still helped.

So if we mis-lynch tonight, we do get one more shot, right? However, we probably can only mis-lynch once. I don't think we'll get two tries.


Vote Trini

[Iron Butterfly]

If trini is scum, he has played very well. Same goes for Betiko.

Jonty- with Iron Butterfly being slighly inactive, I would have watched a really active player such as trini or Betiko. They would NOT miss their night action. But at least we know Iron Butterfly is town. So it still helped.

So if we mis-lynch tonight, we do get one more shot, right? However, we probably can only mis-lynch once. I don't think we'll get two tries.


Vote Trini

How do you figure? We have three cleared and three suspect?

Vote Trin

[betiko]

If trini is scum, he has played very well. Same goes for Betiko.

Jonty- with Iron Butterfly being slighly inactive, I would have watched a really active player such as trini or Betiko. They would NOT miss their night action. But at least we know Iron Butterfly is town. So it still helped.

So if we mis-lynch tonight, we do get one more shot, right? However, we probably can only mis-lynch once. I don't think we'll get two tries.


Vote Trini

How do you figure? We have three cleared and three suspect?

Vote Trin

we are 6 left, so if we misslynch we will be 4 tomorrow and that would be indeed our last shot... from my perspective and from the other VT (sam or trini, but I believe it's sam) we are 100% sure to win if we don't get misslynched...

anything to say in your defense trini, i think you're at l-1?

[trinicardinal]

Sorry folks,

I've been busy with SMAC which has left me with a lot less time than I would like to have had for this game.

betiko - you really keep giving me flashbacks to the NBC mafia game where you were pulling this same kind of stunt

@ Vio - I agree someone has to be fake claiming.

@ betiko yes we have a pretty good chance overall I'd say. vodean is definitely the main suspect still as far as I am concerned. I know you say that is his style but if so its a really scummy style. As for your feelings about me - I'm almost feeling like I'm back in NBC mafia except that the roles are a little different. Lynch me if you wish but if you do just make sure you get mafia before town loses.

Indeed, back then he leaded a mass claim campaign leading town for it while I was scum and lead him to get me. He is basically telling me that now the roles are inverted... major scumslip!

Obviously the roles are different... I was a power role in that game and in this game I'm a VT so how does me stating fact become a scum slip? I bet if I hadn't said the roles are different that you would have tried to say I'm fake claiming for some other reason

@ Vio. yeah betiko has played pretty well which I am no surprised at given his performance in NBC mafia... He certainly learnt a lot from that game and, I expect, future ones and he's playing very similar to how he played in that one.... it has me quite suspicious... especially after his supposed proof of a "scumslip"

for lack of a better lead at this point in time

VOTE betiko

@ IB - considering that you voted for me without offering any form of explanation would you care to explain your rationale?

Also if you guys decide to finish me off today, well no problem, just make sure you pick correctly tomorrow otherwise we're done for.

jonty - one question for you to consider for tomorrow if you do lynch me today... do your responses give you any sort of flavour relating to busdrives? because there is always the possibility that a result might have been tainted by a busdrive. That being said my two picks to concentrate on tomorrow would be betiko first (for the reasons I've stated), IB next (mostly due to no or little stated reasoning accompanying his votes). I think Vio is town, and I'm sure that jonty is as well. not sure about sam but I haven't seen much from him if he's scum he's successfully flown under my radar on this one but It doesn't quite feel that way.

[betiko]

Sorry folks,

I've been busy with SMAC which has left me with a lot less time than I would like to have had for this game.

betiko - you really keep giving me flashbacks to the NBC mafia game where you were pulling this same kind of stunt

@ Vio - I agree someone has to be fake claiming.

@ betiko yes we have a pretty good chance overall I'd say. vodean is definitely the main suspect still as far as I am concerned. I know you say that is his style but if so its a really scummy style. As for your feelings about me - I'm almost feeling like I'm back in NBC mafia except that the roles are a little different. Lynch me if you wish but if you do just make sure you get mafia before town loses.

Indeed, back then he leaded a mass claim campaign leading town for it while I was scum and lead him to get me. He is basically telling me that now the roles are inverted... major scumslip!

Obviously the roles are different... I was a power role in that game and in this game I'm a VT so how does me stating fact become a scum slip? I bet if I hadn't said the roles are different that you would have tried to say I'm fake claiming for some other reason

@ Vio. yeah betiko has played pretty well which I am no surprised at given his performance in NBC mafia... He certainly learnt a lot from that game and, I expect, future ones and he's playing very similar to how he played in that one.... it has me quite suspicious... especially after his supposed proof of a "scumslip"

for lack of a better lead at this point in time

VOTE betiko

@ IB - considering that you voted for me without offering any form of explanation would you care to explain your rationale?

Also if you guys decide to finish me off today, well no problem, just make sure you pick correctly tomorrow otherwise we're done for.

jonty - one question for you to consider for tomorrow if you do lynch me today... do your responses give you any sort of flavour relating to busdrives? because there is always the possibility that a result might have been tainted by a busdrive. That being said my two picks to concentrate on tomorrow would be betiko first (for the reasons I've stated), IB next (mostly due to no or little stated reasoning accompanying his votes). I think Vio is town, and I'm sure that jonty is as well. not sure about sam but I haven't seen much from him if he's scum he's successfully flown under my radar on this one but It doesn't quite feel that way.

lol NBC mafia was my first one and i think i did rather good given that, if it wasn't for the massclaim suggested by another player and that you took over mafia would've won. so you're telling that in that other game I played bad but in this one i played well yet i play similarly? how is that logical?

the busdriver is 1 shot busdriver... question to the mod; can you perform a kill and a bus on the same night? cause I kind of assumed you couldn't, or as it's a one shot bus driver that it might have been used earlier..

trini, I am not certain you are the corect lynch; I am just certain that it's either you or sam and that we have 2 shots and right now you are my major suspect. well actually now with the busdriver thing i kind of have doubts that there might not be any busdrive.. the fact that the mod doesn't write any scene certainly doesn't help.

also, what about sam?

[jonty125]

jonty - one question for you to consider for tomorrow if you do lynch me today... do your responses give you any sort of flavour relating to busdrives?

No flavour.

When trini said the roles are a little different, he didn't say inverse. I'm not going to vote him for now.

[trinicardinal]

Sorry folks,

I've been busy with SMAC which has left me with a lot less time than I would like to have had for this game.

betiko - you really keep giving me flashbacks to the NBC mafia game where you were pulling this same kind of stunt

@ Vio - I agree someone has to be fake claiming.

@ betiko yes we have a pretty good chance overall I'd say. vodean is definitely the main suspect still as far as I am concerned. I know you say that is his style but if so its a really scummy style. As for your feelings about me - I'm almost feeling like I'm back in NBC mafia except that the roles are a little different. Lynch me if you wish but if you do just make sure you get mafia before town loses.

Indeed, back then he leaded a mass claim campaign leading town for it while I was scum and lead him to get me. He is basically telling me that now the roles are inverted... major scumslip!

Obviously the roles are different... I was a power role in that game and in this game I'm a VT so how does me stating fact become a scum slip? I bet if I hadn't said the roles are different that you would have tried to say I'm fake claiming for some other reason

@ Vio. yeah betiko has played pretty well which I am no surprised at given his performance in NBC mafia... He certainly learnt a lot from that game and, I expect, future ones and he's playing very similar to how he played in that one.... it has me quite suspicious... especially after his supposed proof of a "scumslip"

for lack of a better lead at this point in time

VOTE betiko

@ IB - considering that you voted for me without offering any form of explanation would you care to explain your rationale?

Also if you guys decide to finish me off today, well no problem, just make sure you pick correctly tomorrow otherwise we're done for.

jonty - one question for you to consider for tomorrow if you do lynch me today... do your responses give you any sort of flavour relating to busdrives? because there is always the possibility that a result might have been tainted by a busdrive. That being said my two picks to concentrate on tomorrow would be betiko first (for the reasons I've stated), IB next (mostly due to no or little stated reasoning accompanying his votes). I think Vio is town, and I'm sure that jonty is as well. not sure about sam but I haven't seen much from him if he's scum he's successfully flown under my radar on this one but It doesn't quite feel that way.

lol NBC mafia was my first one and i think i did rather good given that, if it wasn't for the massclaim suggested by another player and that you took over mafia would've won. so you're telling that in that other game I played bad but in this one i played well yet i play similarly? how is that logical?

the busdriver is 1 shot busdriver... question to the mod; can you perform a kill and a bus on the same night? cause I kind of assumed you couldn't, or as it's a one shot bus driver that it might have been used earlier..

trini, I am not certain you are the corect lynch; I am just certain that it's either you or sam and that we have 2 shots and right now you are my major suspect. well actually now with the busdriver thing i kind of have doubts that there might not be any busdrive.. the fact that the mod doesn't write any scene certainly doesn't help.

also, what about sam?

you are right in the fact that the mod not writing the scene doesn't help us with flavour... we don't know, hence my question to jonty. in relation to NBC mafia - where did I say you played bad? For your first game it was a great performance - you made some slips due to inexperience - most notably with the inventions but, like I said, that was due to inexperience. As you say we don't have many chances and I am not sure... assuming the possibility that a bus drive MAY (and I do mean only may) have interfered with the results I'm still not 100% sure on anyone except myself. That being said you are my prime suspect for the following reasons:

1. Your play is reminding me so much of NBC mafia that I can't help but think that you're mafia again
2. Your jumping on my talk about different roles as a definite scum slip is rather strong for someone who is not sure about it. And like I said the role that I had in NBC mafia has no equivalent role here so my role must be different. Similarly with you... so both roles are of necessity different hence my statement.
3. Early on it seemed like you were fishing for power roles - I don't know... may just be my interpretation of it.

That being said it is possible that both of us are putting a little too much into how the other person played in that game (understandable since that's the only game we played in together) and, to be honest, there may even be a little of OMGUS on my part as well. no townie likes being called potential mafia and its not always easy to remember that while you know your own role no one else does. Now while Vio is a suspect (only to the possibility of a bus affecting results) I still think she's town

now - what about sam? well good question.. like I said sam hasn't really triggered anything for me so far but he hasn't posted too much and could possibly be successfully submarining in this game... I don't know? I just have a feeling... then again I gave Count the (temporary) benefit of the doubt and turned out to be wrong but I'll blame vodean for that since I thought he was the bigger possibility.

I'm gonna try to take some time to look at sam's posts just in case because he certainly hasn't said too much so far. Get back to you a little later on with my analysis.

[DoomYoshi]

Yes, busdrive and kill can be performed on the same night, as per the game link.

Vote Count

trinicardinal (3) - betiko, IB, Violet
betiko (1) - trinicardinal

[betiko]

crap, this surely doesn't help at all....... this busdriver thing changes everything. I'm less and less sure about you trini and now I have to put some "cleared" back in the suspect bag.. mostly iron as I have a real vt flavour on vio. there still is 2 chances out of 3 to find the scum between trini, sam and iron from my perspective. if iron is the scum, i bet he's experienced enought to have waited long enough to use the bus ability... and I don't think it would've been used on night 2, that was too early (when vio got checked).

[trinicardinal]

crap, this surely doesn't help at all....... this busdriver thing changes everything. I'm less and less sure about you trini and now I have to put some "cleared" back in the suspect bag.. mostly iron as I have a real vt flavour on vio. there still is 2 chances out of 3 to find the scum between trini, sam and iron from my perspective. if iron is the scum, i bet he's experienced enought to have waited long enough to use the bus ability... and I don't think it would've been used on night 2, that was too early (when vio got checked).

Now you understand my predicament... and why I'm not really sure about who and what. For what it is worth I also feel the same way about Vio... she seems town to me and I certainly accept jonty as town. I have no way of being sure about the rest.

[Iron Butterfly]

unvote trin

[Iron Butterfly]

crap, this surely doesn't help at all....... this busdriver thing changes everything. I'm less and less sure about you trini and now I have to put some "cleared" back in the suspect bag.. mostly iron as I have a real vt flavour on vio. there still is 2 chances out of 3 to find the scum between trini, sam and iron from my perspective. if iron is the scum, i bet he's experienced enought to have waited long enough to use the bus ability... and I don't think it would've been used on night 2, that was too early (when vio got checked).

Explain VT flavor in a game filled with VTs?? The funny thing is youve been playing so hard at being Town that Ive been thinking twice about you.

We have jonty cleared and Violet and I partially cleared. I am more cleared then anyone outside violet. You are assuming that we were busdriven.

The fact that you take violet out of the pool based on a VT feel means nothing.

[betiko]

crap, this surely doesn't help at all....... this busdriver thing changes everything. I'm less and less sure about you trini and now I have to put some "cleared" back in the suspect bag.. mostly iron as I have a real vt flavour on vio. there still is 2 chances out of 3 to find the scum between trini, sam and iron from my perspective. if iron is the scum, i bet he's experienced enought to have waited long enough to use the bus ability... and I don't think it would've been used on night 2, that was too early (when vio got checked).

Explain VT flavor in a game filled with VTs?? The funny thing is youve been playing so hard at being Town that Ive been thinking twice about you.

We have jonty cleared and Violet and I partially cleared. I am more cleared then anyone outside violet. You are assuming that we were busdriven.

The fact that you take violet out of the pool based on a VT feel means nothing.

like I said. no one knew, especially the scum busdriver, that there was a tracker on night 2. why use a one shot role before power roles would be revealed? that makes no sense. the only moment when it would've made sense to use the busdriver ability, is on night 3 when you were checked. this result has far more chances of being bogus than vio's on night 2. What would you do if you had a one shot busdriver ability, mostly if you were the only scum left? use it stupidly on night 2? night 3 is just the perfect crime! the scum kills the doc, hopes the tracker goes after him so he is cleared, next night he kills the tracker and in the eyes of town he has already been cleared. couldn't work better! I'm not sure about this, but you have to admit it is a very likely scenario, or not????

[betiko]

*i forgot to say in my perfect crime scen that he busdrives himself with a vt so he gets an inocent result, obviously

[Iron Butterfly]

They also opted not to kill jonty and managed to kill pcm. They decided to risk being caught by a tracker? Why would they not just kill jonty? It tells me they used their one shot knowing they would be safe for the night.