Rolegift Mafia 2 Endgame: Give 'til it Hurts

[aage]

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

Wait, what? Why?
I believe I disregarded the entire point because it's irrelevant. Small chance you're right, and if you aren't you'll have lynched an enthusiastic towny.

I know you're eager to lynch, Vodean, (*mutters under breath* mafia always is...) but hold thyne horses. We have DAYS to complete this day. I admire your enthusiasm too, but don't take it out on a guy who might just have happened to be online when / posted this. Tails already mentioned it, I thought it obvious so I hadn't.

Maybe you should now defend against the current "case" against you.


also, keep the PR. No-one can stop you from using it the entire game, and if you get NK'd we have dirt on Vodean

[Campin_Killer]

Trololol

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does he have to talk like that, /?

I don't really care, the mod said it, not me.

[aage]

does he have to talk like that, /?

I don't really care, the mod said it, not me.

Aww, dude, as the mod (not the mod) you're supposed to act like you're impartial, siding in flame wars will undermine your authority ;P

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does he have to talk like that, /?

I don't really care, the mod said it, not me.

Aww, dude, as the mod (not the mod) you're supposed to act like you're impartial, siding in flame wars will undermine your authority ;P

I'm so impartial that I can't see any sides, or flames!
Dangit, there goes my idea for rolegift three; 100 bottles of kerosene and the lighter...

[safariguy5]

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

Overly aggressive much? There's no defense except that he sav that the game had started? You are acting majorly suspicous.

Garlic LSU
Stake voden

do you really have to talk like that the whole game? does he have to talk like that, /? and, yeah im agressive, its how shit gets done (pardon my french)

Aggressive is one thing. Believing pmc is scum for disagreeing with you is just plain ridiculous. People are going to disagree, and you can't label everyone who disagrees with you scum, especially since it's only Day 1 and the first "case" of the game no less.

Regardless, I think this meta on spiesr is bs. We're all on at different times, and he may have gotten the game start PM while he was on and read it first. Doesn't mean he's scum.

unvote for now.

[spiesr]

As others have already said there is no defense for me posting within 20 minutes of the game starting. I happened to be on the forums at that time. When I am on the forums I tend to keep a fairly close eye on the Mafia Forum. I saw this game had a new post and went to see it. Once there I saw the game was started and went ahead and made to first post. The good news from all of this seems to be that we got a nice jumpstart out of the joke phase.

Regardless, I think this meta on spiesr is bs. We're all on at different times, and he may have gotten the game start PM while he was on and read it first. Doesn't mean he's scum.

What game start PM?

[spiesr]

Regardless, I think this meta on spiesr is bs. We're all on at different times, and he may have gotten the game start PM while he was on and read it first. Doesn't mean he's scum.

What game start PM?

Oh, sorry I now see you meant this one.

Fiiiiiiiine....
Mass PM Going out to whomever hasn't posted yet

[Rodion]

You mean Saf meant to say you read a PM that was sent in the future? And only to those that had not posted, a scenario that obviously does not include you?

[spiesr]

You mean Saf meant to say you read a PM that was sent in the future? And only to those that had not posted, a scenario that obviously does not include you?

I mean that I can now at least understand how he could have made that mistake.

[pancakemix]

I should probably be reading this thread.

On Spiesr: To be fair, there was actually a title change.

On Vodean: Digging yourself a hole again? I wouldn't recommend being aggressive this early (doubtfully out of joke vote stage) if you don't want to add another tally to your thread.

[soundman]

You mean Saf meant to say you read a PM that was sent in the future? And only to those that had not posted, a scenario that obviously does not include you?

I think Saf is just confused. Or a scum that got a PM.

Unvote Vote Saf for being confusing!

[Campin_Killer]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

[Djfireside]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

Hmm so in that theory, if the donkey took a left at the fork and ate a raddish then the rabbit would be a taser who eats flies in a open bassoon play a flat E and calling out to all under age babboons smeering poop on the tree....

Damn, Makes perfect sense.

[jonty125]

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

unvote vote vodean for being overly agressive on the accusations against spiesr [there was absoultely nothing in it.]

[everywhere116]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

So, despite the fact that that game happened after our roles were determined, it can still affect vodean's alignment now? Cool. It's like Schrodinger's Mafia.

Still, vodean and jak are getting major scum vibes from me for starting this over literally who posted first after the game started.

[pmchugh]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

So, despite the fact that that game happened after our roles were determined, it can still affect vodean's alignment now? Cool. It's like Schrodinger's Mafia.

Still, vodean and jak are getting major scum vibes from me for starting this over literally who posted first after the game started.

I think it shows they were thinking. What is surprising is how quickly vodean changed sides, initially he agreed that it was a case (which merited his vote):

wow. the joke-votes lasted all of like half a page. my vote was already on spiesr, but i think jak's case makes a lot of sense. spi, lets hear a defense.

Then he gets FOS'd over it.

There is no "case."

All I see is jak voting him cause he posted right after /. It could very vell mean that he is scum, but it could also mean that he sav the game had started. It's vay to early to be asking for a defense over a veak "case." No need to pressure someone to defend themselves over posting almost right after the mod.

FOS voden for the fact that he vants a defense over nothing

So then he switches sides and harasses me for defending jak, despite the fact he appeared to agree with him too:

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

unvote vote vodean for switching sides because someone found him suspicious.

[jonty125]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

So, despite the fact that that game happened after our roles were determined, it can still affect vodean's alignment now? Cool. It's like Schrodinger's Mafia.

Still, vodean and jak are getting major scum vibes from me for starting this over literally who posted first after the game started.

I think it shows they were thinking. What is surprising is how quickly vodean changed sides, initially he agreed that it was a case (which merited his vote):

wow. the joke-votes lasted all of like half a page. my vote was already on spiesr, but i think jak's case makes a lot of sense. spi, lets hear a defense.

Then he gets FOS'd over it.

There is no "case."

All I see is jak voting him cause he posted right after /. It could very vell mean that he is scum, but it could also mean that he sav the game had started. It's vay to early to be asking for a defense over a veak "case." No need to pressure someone to defend themselves over posting almost right after the mod.

FOS voden for the fact that he vants a defense over nothing

So then he switches sides and harasses me for defending jak, despite the fact he appeared to agree with him too:

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

unvote vote vodean for switching sides because someone found him suspicious.

[vodean]

Wait guys, wait. Remember vodean was town last night so he MUST be mafia in this game.

So, despite the fact that that game happened after our roles were determined, it can still affect vodean's alignment now? Cool. It's like Schrodinger's Mafia.

Still, vodean and jak are getting major scum vibes from me for starting this over literally who posted first after the game started.

I think it shows they were thinking. What is surprising is how quickly vodean changed sides, initially he agreed that it was a case (which merited his vote):

wow. the joke-votes lasted all of like half a page. my vote was already on spiesr, but i think jak's case makes a lot of sense. spi, lets hear a defense.

Then he gets FOS'd over it.

There is no "case."

All I see is jak voting him cause he posted right after /. It could very vell mean that he is scum, but it could also mean that he sav the game had started. It's vay to early to be asking for a defense over a veak "case." No need to pressure someone to defend themselves over posting almost right after the mod.

FOS voden for the fact that he vants a defense over nothing

So then he switches sides and harasses me for defending jak, despite the fact he appeared to agree with him too:

It is not a "case" but it is a valid point. Speisr cannot defend against it, so it is not a case. However it is still suspicious, there is a greater chance that someone who received a pm would be able to respond that quickly.

It of course does not mean that people who posted later are free of suspicion as mafia could have realised this and decided to wait.

or pmc should stop defending his scumbuddy, and let him talk. let him at least explain what happened. aage, same to you.

unvote vote vodean for switching sides because someone found him suspicious.

well if you notice, i never changed my vote. i merely stated that jak was acting scummy, and i agreed with that as well. so yeah, i see your point that I'm acting scummy too. But i dont think im outside my meta, which is generally pretty scummy.
As for those building a meta case against me, we are past the joke-votes for the most part, so watch it, and again, just because im mafia 50% of the time, doesnt mean i am in this game. in fact, this game is the 1/2 where im not (though im dead in all my scum roles ). Its a meta case, so i cant offer up much more than that.

And yeah, i was aggressive, early on, on a not so great case, but it jump-started the game on page 1, and its D1, so no cases are gonna be that great. At the time, it was the only case at all, and it made sense to pursue it. when a better case comes along, i will change my vote to it. that includes a better case on me. but for the moment, i dont see any cases as holding any REAL water, so ill leave my vote.

[pmchugh]

well if you notice, i never changed my vote. i merely stated that jak was acting scummy, and i agreed with that as well.

I'm confused here, what about jaks play was scummy? Considering your vote is still on speisr and jaks "case" on speisr is what gained him attention I fail to see how you think he is scummy.

so yeah, i see your point that I'm acting scummy too. But i dont think im outside my meta, which is generally pretty scummy.
As for those building a meta case against me, we are past the joke-votes for the most part, so watch it, and again, just because im mafia 50% of the time, doesnt mean i am in this game. in fact, this game is the 1/2 where im not (though im dead in all my scum roles ). Its a meta case, so i cant offer up much more than that.

So you admit to acting scummy, but your defence is that you always act scummy? Nice

And yeah, i was aggressive, early on, on a not so great case, but it jump-started the game on page 1, and its D1, so no cases are gonna be that great. At the time, it was the only case at all, and it made sense to pursue it. when a better case comes along, i will change my vote to it. that includes a better case on me. but for the moment, i dont see any cases as holding any REAL water, so ill leave my vote.

So what purpose does your current vote have? We have already established speisr can say nothing more to defend himself against your vote. Since you promise to change it later then it creates no pressure just now anyway.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

It should also be mentioned that even with pressure those of us that didn't get pms don't really have anything to "claim" if a pressure is applied to someone to "claim" like normally happens in a game. I want to vote Vodean, but I'm willing to wait since it is still early in this game although there is really no "claim" that can be had other than I didn't get a message.

[vodean]

well if you notice, i never changed my vote. i merely stated that jak was acting scummy, and i agreed with that as well.

I'm confused here, what about jaks play was scummy? Considering your vote is still on speisr and jaks "case" on speisr is what gained him attention I fail to see how you think he is scummy.

so yeah, i see your point that I'm acting scummy too. But i dont think im outside my meta, which is generally pretty scummy.
As for those building a meta case against me, we are past the joke-votes for the most part, so watch it, and again, just because im mafia 50% of the time, doesnt mean i am in this game. in fact, this game is the 1/2 where im not (though im dead in all my scum roles ). Its a meta case, so i cant offer up much more than that.

So you admit to acting scummy, but your defence is that you always act scummy? Nice

And yeah, i was aggressive, early on, on a not so great case, but it jump-started the game on page 1, and its D1, so no cases are gonna be that great. At the time, it was the only case at all, and it made sense to pursue it. when a better case comes along, i will change my vote to it. that includes a better case on me. but for the moment, i dont see any cases as holding any REAL water, so ill leave my vote.

So what purpose does your current vote have? We have already established speisr can say nothing more to defend himself against your vote. Since you promise to change it later then it creates no pressure just now anyway.

for the moment the pressure is still there, but my attention is not. right now im kinda waiting for a case... i dont have anything to present personally, other than the fact that spiesr, jak, myself, and one or two others (less notable) have made scummy statements. that doesnt mean i think they are scum, but it does perhaps warrant some pressure, like we are now putting on vodean.

and LSU, the less info you give on the sort of claims we COULD make, the better it is for town. scum have no idea otherwise, and if we get lucky the first time, it could result in a scum-slip.

[safariguy5]

Of course, nobody will have any real idea what their gift does unless we start posting night actions on Day 2 and keep it up every day. So nobody technically has any claim defense for now.

[aage]

well if you notice, i never changed my vote. i merely stated that jak was acting scummy, and i agreed with that as well. so yeah, i see your point that I'm acting scummy too. But i dont think im outside my meta, which is generally pretty scummy.

So then we should simply always lynch you, right?

we are past the joke-votes for the most part, so watch it...

Oh. I didn't know you were the one to decide that. Let me know in advance next time.

unvote vote campin_killer trololol.

And yeah, i was aggressive, early on, on a not so great case, but it jump-started the game on page 1, and its D1, so no cases are gonna be that great. At the time, it was the only case at all, and it made sense to pursue it. when a better case comes along, i will change my vote to it. that includes a better case on me. but for the moment, i dont see any cases as holding any REAL water, so ill leave my vote.

Dude, you and Jak are making a case against the FIRST FUCKING POST of the day. How desperate are you exactly?

[aage]

Of course, nobody will have any real idea what their gift does unless we start posting night actions on Day 2 and keep it up every day. So nobody technically has any claim defense for now.

This is exactly the reason why I am planning to suggest a no lynch in two real-time days