Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[soundman]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

[safariguy5]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

Yeah, I wondered about that. I thought Architect would have been a really strong fake, but I guess Dj didn't like it?

[betiko]

Gg! Lol sorry ib, 3 mafias seemed too little and i was sure there were 2 left, it wasn t a plot, i really didn t believe you.. Pmc, you were really acting weird! The reason why i insisted many times in game and pms that one is probably compromized... So yes, if i had been killed all meros would ve died! But you guys needed to kill the twins first! If a twin died they both died.

[aage]

gg, but the balance is hard to make up indeed. Especially when we had to sacrifice our ninja on day 3. I was going to ask Chuck to switch fakeclaims so he could claim some Councillor (a Zion VT, not vengeful towny.. never claim vengeful towny..) and I could claim Niobe's sidekick which could make sense as roleblocker.

Props to the entire third party for staying alive, though. It can't have been easy.

[Djfireside]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

Yeah, I wondered about that. I thought Architect would have been a really strong fake, but I guess Dj didn't like it?

At that point when we were claiming It was hard to put the architect into the game. Since it would read more like a third party I saw another third party looking strange. Since the Mergovians were already out and they knew there was a smith faction, a side architect didnt fit well. I knew I was toast at that point and was hoping that maybe Doom would have chosen sound instead hoping I would have gotten the innocent return and maybe skated through.

It would have been a good one earlier I believe, maybe I was wrong.

[betiko]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

Yeah, I wondered about that. I thought Architect would have been a really strong fake, but I guess Dj didn't like it?

At that point when we were claiming It was hard to put the architect into the game. Since it would read more like a third party I saw another third party looking strange. Since the Mergovians were already out and they knew there was a smith faction, a side architect didnt fit well. I knew I was toast at that point and was hoping that maybe Doom would have chosen sound instead hoping I would have gotten the innocent return and maybe skated through.

It would have been a good one earlier I believe, maybe I was wrong.

I think almost all of us were sure there were 4 scums and not just 3... you were in the smith/scum shortlist, but you outed yourself with the commuter power that would vanish if the oracle died.
Us meros knew that if the oracle died it was game over, so you were not making much sense. Other than this, as I said earlier, I think you played pretty well, maybe too well. you were very ballanced in all your posts contribution that looked quite townish, posting just enough not to look like you're submarining... It was so perfect that it made me wonder about you, i don't know if you remeber me asking myself questions about you mid game I think that if you had to claim early in the game you woud've been quite safe (and supposing you didn't add the oracle clause to commuter)

[edocsil]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

Yeah, I wondered about that. I thought Architect would have been a really strong fake, but I guess Dj didn't like it?

At that point when we were claiming It was hard to put the architect into the game. Since it would read more like a third party I saw another third party looking strange. Since the Mergovians were already out and they knew there was a smith faction, a side architect didnt fit well. I knew I was toast at that point and was hoping that maybe Doom would have chosen sound instead hoping I would have gotten the innocent return and maybe skated through.

It would have been a good one earlier I believe, maybe I was wrong.

I think almost all of us were sure there were 4 scums and not just 3... you were in the smith/scum shortlist, but you outed yourself with the commuter power that would vanish if the oracle died.
Us meros knew that if the oracle died it was game over, so you were not making much sense. Other than this, as I said earlier, I think you played pretty well, maybe too well. you were very ballanced in all your posts contribution that looked quite townish, posting just enough not to look like you're submarining... It was so perfect that it made me wonder about you, i don't know if you remeber me asking myself questions about you mid game I think that if you had to claim early in the game you woud've been quite safe (and supposing you didn't add the oracle clause to commuter)

Did we? I didn't think it would end the game. And you still had to be alive for it if I understand it properly.

[Djfireside]

Good game guys! I think DJ would have been fine except he messed up and took my fake claim... Oh well. I was then able to go out and get a good fake claim.

Yeah, I wondered about that. I thought Architect would have been a really strong fake, but I guess Dj didn't like it?

At that point when we were claiming It was hard to put the architect into the game. Since it would read more like a third party I saw another third party looking strange. Since the Mergovians were already out and they knew there was a smith faction, a side architect didnt fit well. I knew I was toast at that point and was hoping that maybe Doom would have chosen sound instead hoping I would have gotten the innocent return and maybe skated through.

It would have been a good one earlier I believe, maybe I was wrong.

I think almost all of us were sure there were 4 scums and not just 3... you were in the smith/scum shortlist, but you outed yourself with the commuter power that would vanish if the oracle died.
Us meros knew that if the oracle died it was game over, so you were not making much sense. Other than this, as I said earlier, I think you played pretty well, maybe too well. you were very ballanced in all your posts contribution that looked quite townish, posting just enough not to look like you're submarining... It was so perfect that it made me wonder about you, i don't know if you remeber me asking myself questions about you mid game I think that if you had to claim early in the game you woud've been quite safe (and supposing you didn't add the oracle clause to commuter)

The only reason I added the Oracle sub clause was because I knew you were going for it after I recruited PMC. I threw it in there to give it more of a flavor and also to draw attention that I didnt want the oracle to die as I stated earlier when you were chasing Ghostly and I added it to try to give reason why I all of sudden didnt want the oracle to die and needed a reason why I was fighting it earlier. If it was earlier I would have architected the whole way but the instant that PMC and edoc went off mass claiming I knew I was in trouble.

I do remember you and Jak coming after me and you were actually on my list of hits until I got targetted by clever and then I had to switch gears. I actually thought that the Town Vig got me at the same time I got him but only to find mafia got me. I was in the hospital a few times and with pregnant wife time was limited so that went with my post count but with no pressure I wasnt going to put my head on the block I was pondering throwing soundman under the bus was decided it would have been futile.

[soundman]

I was pondering throwing soundman under the bus was decided it would have been futile.

Thanks buddy, I feel so loved.

When the mass claim started I was hoping you'd actually find a different fake claim than the ones given to us. I was really hoping you'd see that Tank hadn't been taken and would make a good VT claim.

[Iron Butterfly]

Out of curiosity were there any restriction on who cult could recruit? The main reason I was resitant to mass claiming was the hunch that they couldnt recruit everyone and only certian player roles.

[NoSurvivors]

I WIN?!

[vodean]

I WIN?!

no dude... there were survivors. HEY NoS!!!

[DoomYoshi]

I wanted a mass claim as soon as I could start night killing so I would know who to hit. If we hadn't gotten the mass claim though, I would have killed pmc for trying to turn on me

[pmchugh]

I wanted a mass claim as soon as I could start night killing so I would know who to hit. If we hadn't gotten the mass claim though, I would have killed pmc for trying to turn on me

Haha, I think you would have had a better time shooting into the msit than at a poor survivor

[safariguy5]

Out of curiosity were there any restriction on who cult could recruit? The main reason I was resitant to mass claiming was the hunch that they couldnt recruit everyone and only certian player roles.

Yes, just like in the movie, cult could recruit anyone.

Since I know it would be terribly broken if recruitees couldn't talk to their old mason groups, I made it so they would only lose their night actions and have altered WC's.

As for the survivor Mero group, if the Oracle was killed, all living Merovingen members would win. Dead ones would lose, and the game would continue as long as other anti-town factions remained. Recruited Mero group players of course would not win if the Oracle dead WC was fulfilled.

[shieldgenerator7]

SO wait, ghostly (Neb 2.0) was still alive at endgame, so technically I win too, right?

[safariguy5]

SO wait, ghostly (Neb 2.0) was still alive at endgame, so technically I win too, right?

Yes, since you're part of town, you win. The WC of Seraph keeping the Oracle alive extended only so far as to endgame Seraph if Oracle died before Seraph did. If Seraph dies before the Oracle does, then Seraph will still win if the Town wins.

But in this case, then yes, you absolutely won.

[betiko]

SO wait, ghostly (Neb 2.0) was still alive at endgame, so technically I win too, right?

Yes, since you're part of town, you win. The WC of Seraph keeping the Oracle alive extended only so far as to endgame Seraph if Oracle died before Seraph did. If Seraph dies before the Oracle does, then Seraph will still win if the Town wins.

But in this case, then yes, you absolutely won.

technically, neb won twice and sg7 did not

[shieldgenerator7]

SO wait, ghostly (Neb 2.0) was still alive at endgame, so technically I win too, right?

Yes, since you're part of town, you win. The WC of Seraph keeping the Oracle alive extended only so far as to endgame Seraph if Oracle died before Seraph did. If Seraph dies before the Oracle does, then Seraph will still win if the Town wins.

But in this case, then yes, you absolutely won.

technically, neb won twice and sg7 did not

whatever betiko