NCIS Mafia: Mafia Win!!

[crazymilkshake5]

you know what. yes. please STFU
vote Yomiel I do believe that puts him at L-3

Bitch elsewhere

[jgordon1111]

Just in case Unvote vote yomiel I know my vote was on you but I dont want it missed.I dont think Chap would miss it but others might.

[Yomiel]

You guys really are just bullies. I make any case, and you refuse to even listen and even attack me over it, while you do nothing to those who make even weaker cases. I'm so fed up. When the Town loses, you'll only have yourselves to blame.

[chapcrap]

Sixth Official Vote Count:

crazymilkshake5
dazza2008
DiM:
happyfeet:
Iron Butterfly
isaiah40:
jak111: Mr. Squirrel, strike wolf, dazza2008
jgordon1111: vodean
jonty125:
macbone
Mr. Squirrel: Yomiel
safariguy5: macbone
strike wolf
thechuck51
vodean
Yomiel: DiM, jgordon1111, isaiah40, safariguy5, Iron Butterfly, crazymilkshake5 (L-3)

With 16 alive, it take 9 to lynch. Deadline in about 180 hours.

I understand the initial feelings about Yomiel. However, I think now he is actually trying. If you want to lynch him, that's up to you. However, I don't feel like I have the grounds to replace him or mod kill him for the post edit. If he edits again, something will happen. First warning for a new player here. Yomiel, please have a look at rule 6b. Everyone, rule 6 in general would be a good read. You to, jgordon1111.

That being said, Yomiel, when you reference things that have been said by you or others, it's best to quote the things so that everyone knows what you are talking about. It will give you more credibility. No one is attacking you personally, for the most part. There is no reason to ask for apologies here. Don't take anything personal.

[jgordon1111]

Reread rule 6b chap per your instructions, To be honest with you I have took none of this personal, I was one of the first to try and give this player some helpful tips on playing here.

If at the end of this if he had some unorthodox role that required him to disreguard everything that was said to him and to continue playing as he has,I will be the first to offer an apology.

If not then I have already Famo. It is not personal,it is an irrational game play style I will endeavor to avoid in the future.

Myself and Jak are known for our unorthodox game play,I have been threatened with blacklisting before,but I did not do half of what has been done here,and I gave my reasons for every step in every game I have played when up against the wall, and they were at least rationale.

I have already said I believe he might have drawn the jester role if so it was unlucky for him,I cannot think of another role that would support this style of play.

[Yomiel]

I actually did quote it. Vodean said something defending the people over at the old forum, MafiaScum. I got upset with him for defending those monsters and said as much. Jak doesn't read the whole conversation, assumes I'm calling the people here monsters, and starts being nasty to me. I say I never mentioned anyone here and call him out on the misunderstanding. He does not seem to see this and repeats it again, which is when I quoted his post. Now, Dim is saying the same thing about me calling the people here monsters, which we just clarified was a misunderstanding. This shows me he is not reading, just like Jak.

I knew about the rule. I only edited the post because it was a vote count from another game, which happens to share many players from here. It would have caused a lot of confusion, so I thought it was best to just delete it right away.

[strike wolf]

I'm sorry I just can't get into this game right now and it's not just Yomiel. Actually the majority of it isn't Yomiel. I'll try to get back into it but as of right now with everything going on I have no motivation to even try with this game.

[chapcrap]

At the request of jgordon1111, edocsil will replace jgordon1111. He let his emotions get the best of him and he felt it was best for the game.

I understand strike wolf's sentiments right now. You are almost all experience players here. Let's remember that just because things shouldn't be taken personal, that doesn't give you the right to post anything you want. Try to play the game the right way. This should be a good game if everyone will allow it to be.

[Mr. Squirrel]

For starters, holy sh*t guys. If everyday turns out like this, we will be in the running for one of the longest threads in mafia history. This is getting ridiculous.

But seriously Dazza, MS, and Saf, I get why you think I'm sketchy but if you also watch what he's been doing this entire game you probably already understand where I'm coming from. I'm all for playful call outs and questioning tactics,

I have no desire to defend Yomiel, but I also refuse to attack him. All of you are treating him like dirt (which may or may not be deserved) and even if I tried to rationally look at how it all broke down, it wouldn't serve any purpose. Too many harsh words have been exchanged and far too many toes have been stepped on for this to do anything but end poorly. So rather than give my two cents on yomiel, I will instead be watching the rest of you. Seeing how you guys react to his antics and the antics of your peers. Strike wolf is absolutely right with his brief post that he made. This has descended into chaos and it is only partially yomiel's fault. I am trying to make the most of a bad situation by reading the attacks you guys are making. If you guys want a lynch on yomiel, then I will not argue against it. But I will not be lending my vote to it. This lynch is based more on hurt feelings than anything else and I refuse to support it just because you all let him get to you.

I believe this Day 1 is going to come back to bite us all in the ass, regardless of how it turns out in the end.

[edocsil]

Alright, in for JG. First off Unvote.

Sooo what are we looking at here. Yomiel, take a deep breath. Some things run differently here then MS and other places. People get all weird if you don't follow the normal conventions. Players who are being pressured are expected to defend themselves, counterattacks are generally viewed as scummy especially if OMGUS (which you have avoided, OMGUS that is.) Also when pressed they are expect to claim. I tend to do this only at L-1, but may do it sooner so as to not waste time if I have made a stupid mistake that I SHOULD be pressured for. So far if I read it right you have never been at L-1, so you shouldn't have necessarily claimed yet. Your only real fault is being unused to CC Mafia and being a bit of a dick to other players and that is something I can empathize with, this place can be frustrating and I will be quite abrasive if I am annoyed.

Most players will not let a free pass go to those who claim to be important. Anyone can easily do that and it provides no means of counter claiming, and as you have seen it tends to develop an instant wagon. Scum can do it, town can do it, and it really is a thin paper shield. There is not a single role in the entire game that is better off unclaimed and dead then claimed and alive, so it makes little sense to do.

Others on his case. He is new. Give him a few days to get used to this place. Either he will stick around or he won't, but if everyone is jumping down his throat you can bet he won't sign up for another game.


Strike, Mr. S. We need to steer this into something constructive or this will just be a shit flinging contest all day long, apathy will kill us.

[Yomiel]

I don't think I've been rude. It is frustrating to have people sign up for a game, then tell you that they just want to joke around for a few days before actually playing it. And whenever I make a case, they just ignore it or treat it like it's stupid. They don't do the same to anyone else, even when they have just as much or less to go on. I went through that kind of thing over at MS, where they would never take me seriously.

[edocsil]

So you disagree with the joke vote stage? I am unfamiliar with how other sites do it. Do they just wagon the last player to post or something? The jokes and conversation are just something to get the ball rolling. As for not being rude, I would suggest you go and reread what you have written. If you have further questions as to what posts may be considered rude I suggest you PM me, the mod, another player you think will be honest, or email your grandmother for all I care and ask them what could be offending people. Further discussion in this thread will likely gain little. Mostly you have to lean back a bit a relax. This game is moving very fast for the forums in fact. You got riled up easily in the joke vote stage and then voted Mr. S for a joke of his (this is also why everyone disregarded you case, we all saw his post to be a joke). I am assuming you just missed his humor more then anything else. People continued to poke fun at you by voting you and you reacted very defensively. Most townies realize when the case against them is a joke, or just entirely non factual. They ignore it, joke back and otherwise keep it cool. People on the defensive with more to lose (scum) tend to react a lot more like you did and get very aggressive quickly vs any wagon against them. Those players are then customarily hung.

Games here take a while. My Golden Pantheon is on its fourth game and has been running for nearly a year now. That is 3 months per game roughly.

[Yomiel]

It's not people making joke votes in the beginning that gets to me, but rather, people insisting on having a few days when only joking can happen and no cases will be taken seriously. I voted Squirrel because he did stuff I found suspicious.

[vodean]

It's not people making joke votes in the beginning that gets to me, but rather, people insisting on having a few days when only joking can happen and no cases will be taken seriously. I voted Squirrel because he did stuff I found suspicious.

the reason that cases cant really be taken seriously, as i have said several times, is that they are based off of the joke-votes. that means that there is no rational behavior. the joke-votes cannot be used to build a solid case.

[Yomiel]

You cannot assume any votes are truly joke votes. A joke vote can be the perfect disguise for something serious.

[vodean]

You cannot assume any votes are truly joke votes. A joke vote can be the perfect disguise for something serious.

not here on CC, it cant. you unvote, after the joke-votes. like people did on you. when the joke-votes end, everyone unvotes

[edocsil]

You cannot assume any votes are truly joke votes. A joke vote can be the perfect disguise for something serious.

not here on CC, it cant. you unvote, after the joke-votes. like people did on you. when the joke-votes end, everyone unvotes

Yes, once someone makes an unfunny, all votes are retracted (more or less) and the game begins.

[Yomiel]

If you fall into that way of thinking, you're setting yourselves up.

[vodean]

If you fall into that way of thinking, you're setting yourselves up.

it has worked for YEARS. if scum used that strategy, they would be revealed D2. then they would die. cuz they would be badly outnumbered.

[Yomiel]

Well, I guess we'll see when we learn who the Mafia is.

[edocsil]

If you fall into that way of thinking, you're setting yourselves up.

Jesus man. You just don't get it. You are not going to change the way things work here by yourself. Your attitude does not leave me wonder as to why you got thrown out of MS in a hurry. I and others are telling you how the game is played on these forums. You can listen and play the game or you can leave. Little oneliners saying we are wrong will not earn you any respect.

Edit: Ah what Vodean? I didn't really understand that one.

[Yomiel]

You should not talk about things you know nothing about. And you cannot keep refusing to let me play by clinging to preferences that make no sense or are unfair.

[vodean]

edoc, yomiel seems to think that the scum could use the jokevotes to hide a speed-lynch or something. i told him that that would reveal the mafia, and get them lynched over the following days. so that is not a realistic strategy.

yomiel, but we know everything about what earns our love, respect, and trust. you are doing nothing that would earn any of those things. instead, you try to change the very essence of our being through insults and attacks. who is the monster here?

[edocsil]

Yeah. Well I was hoping I was going to be able to tone things down a bit here.

Not going to happen, let's just get this over with so we can play tomorrow.

Vote Yomiel

[Yomiel]

STOP IT WITH THE MONSTER THING ALREADY!!! I am getting so sick of this. You guys will attack me no matter what I say.