Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:18 pm

You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:38 pm

edocsil wrote:You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

Frankly your opinion is meaningless as your motivations have been clear. You dont have a horse in the horse race other then to live.

Your game plan is to manipulate.

You would only help Town if you where right. You have already stated that you are guessing between Aaage and I under the guise of voting which player has more "potential" You will say what needs to be said for your own ends, which does not help Town. You will just as easily sell us out if you knew mafia could win.

by **safariguy5** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:46 pm

Vote Count

IB(5)- aage, chuck, edoc, hippo, vodean
aage(4)- jak, jonty, mob, dj

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Sorry for listing chuck twice. I double checked pmc, and you unvoted without a revote.

This post was your last vote activity:

pmchugh wrote:Reading back over the claims I actually think IB is unlikely to be mafia, perhaps cult though. Aage seems less genuine, his claim is lazy and is perhaps a last minute attempt to take down cult/townie since I was heaping so much pressure on IB anyway. I think it is notable that he did not counter claim until he was being voted quite heavily.

unvote for now.

Also IB I could respond as to what was scummy about your play, but I don't think now is the time for it.

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:48 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
edocsil wrote:You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

Frankly your opinion is meaningless as your motivations have been clear. You dont have a horse in the horse race other then to live.

Your game plan is to manipulate.

You would only help Town if you where right. You have already stated that you are guessing between Aaage and I under the guise of voting which player has more "potential" You will say what needs to be said for your own ends, which does not help Town. You will just as easily sell us out if you knew mafia could win.

Like I said. Pointless conjecture in a futile attempt to save your life. You cannot refute my point so you merely attack my (ingame) integrity.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:20 pm

Okay, I noodled this over in my head...and I hate it when townies don't come forward with all their information. So, here we go...

I am the Oracle.

I am a Role Cop.

I am a Mason.

You SOBs killed my bodyguard, because he was inactive and couldn't respond. Nice work. Let's look at this vote, shall we?

Vote Count

doom(1)- aage
shield(10)- dj, betiko, hippo, IB, vodean, doom, chuck, everywhere, jak, edoc

AAGE - Seriously, dude. What were you thinking? That vote alone gets the lynch. There is no scenario I can come up with, no matter what your alignment, where that was an intelligent vote. You have to go.

Betiko and edoc are in the "lynch anyone other than the 5 survivors" group, and playing up to their MO.
Doom and Jak are clear. Hippo is/was clear (at least he is not mafia/smith). (was vodean also cleared as having no actions?)
Everywhere is a bit clearer than the other players, as he proved he is a priest, at least not Smith.
We are now left with DJ, IB, and chuck (vodean?). After AAGE, these three (four?)are the next best leads.

Now, on to me.

N1: Investigated PMC. No special abilities. Survivor. (thus I deducted he is Persephone)
N2: Investigated Leehar. Sibling Bodyguard. Survivor. (Thus I deducted he is twin 1.)
Based on these investigations, we now know who the Merovingian and the Twin 2 are. We can also deduct that Twin 2 is a bodyguard. I have no idea what the Merovingian can do.
N3: Investigate DoomYoshi. I will confirm: Hiding, auto-ressing, and lover.
N4: No investigation.

With all that said and posted...

Unvote VOTE aage

If he comes up as town, then we are left with quite a quandry about how to get through the night. I would trust that mafia would make the kill on Smith. If that happens to be Iron, then great. If not, then Iron is most likely mafia.

I hope everyone is now satisfied with my post and my claim.

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:28 pm

N4. Explain you culty you.

by **jak111** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:56 pm

edocsil wrote:N4. Explain you culty you.

He just reserved today. Ghostly was inactive. Point invalid

Neb's post also takes Vodean's wifom away. Survivors are confirmed, and they are not mafia fake claiming.

So, if anyone trusts in me, I think Aage needs to go. He's been anti everything out of everyone here. His role gets replaced quickly. Role blocker happened N2 so even if he isn't Smith he's 100% lying.

IB may or may not be smith/town/mafia, but Aage is Smith/mafia. So I ask this of you survivors. Side with us here and let's take the cult out with a 50/50

by **soundman** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:02 am

jak111 wrote:
edocsil wrote:N4. Explain you culty you.

He just reserved today. Ghostly was inactive. Point invalid

Neb's post also takes Vodean's wifom away. Survivors are confirmed, and they are not mafia fake claiming.

So, if anyone trusts in me, I think Aage needs to go. He's been anti everything out of everyone here. His role gets replaced quickly. Role blocker happened N2 so even if he isn't Smith he's 100% lying.

IB may or may not be smith/town/mafia, but Aage is Smith/mafia. So I ask this of you survivors. Side with us here and let's take the cult out with a 50/50

After reading what IB and others have written I have to agree. Aage seems to be the best choice. I'll trust in you Jak. Vote Aage.

by **thehippo8** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:36 am

well it was one or the other and I see no reason to doubt IB's inability to articulate ... so ... for better or worse (think marriage here) ... unvote vote aage

by **pmchugh** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:45 am

vote aage

Sorry saf.

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:59 am

i also thing aage over IB is smith. the only thing i don't like is that they both likely fakeclaimed, and if aage fakeclaimed the same it was possibly to put the heat on him rather than IB. that theory would mean that IB and aage are scums and IB has a more important mafia role.. but it's just a theory.
I'd go with the aage lynching.

vote aage

by **edocsil** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:11 am

betiko wrote:i also thing aage over IB is smith. the only thing i don't like is that they both likely fakeclaimed, and if aage fakeclaimed the same it was possibly to put the heat on him rather than IB. that theory would mean that IB and aage are scums and IB has a more important mafia role.. but it's just a theory.
I'd go with the aage lynching.

vote aage

mmm. Either that or the scum want the keymaker dead for sum reason. His hunt was kinda the point of the second movie IIRC.

I'll Unvote vote aage Although I belive that is L+1 anyhow.

Also as far as Neb, forgot he was a replace, pardon.

by **pmchugh** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:15 am

betiko wrote:i also thing aage over IB is smith. the only thing i don't like is that they both likely fakeclaimed, and if aage fakeclaimed the same it was possibly to put the heat on him rather than IB. that theory would mean that IB and aage are scums and IB has a more important mafia role.. but it's just a theory.
I'd go with the aage lynching.

vote aage

Good point, I never thought that they could be in the same faction and CCing to clear one of themselves.

by **aage** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:24 am

Idiots... My role got replaced twice, do you really think two people would bail on Smith so easily?

:roll:

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:30 am

aage wrote:Idiots... My role got replaced twice, do you really think two people would bail on Smith so easily?

what is done is done... so you are not smith i guess because it's now pointless to lie.. you're mafia anyways right?

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:34 am

damn it i'm really impatient to knwo who we killed!!!!!!!!!! if aage is not smith nor scum i have the worse scumdar ever..

by **Leehar** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:58 am

betiko wrote:damn it i'm really impatient to knwo who we killed!!!!!!!!!! if aage is not smith nor scum i have the worse scumdar ever..

who else did you fail with?
Seraph?

Even if aage is not scum, then IB will be?

by **vodean** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:05 am

edocsil wrote:You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

FOS edoc for skimming... you mean aage and IB.

Since aage is likely mafia, we dont want to kill him. we want to kill smith. thats why we should kill aage.

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:07 am

Leehar wrote:
betiko wrote:damn it i'm really impatient to knwo who we killed!!!!!!!!!! if aage is not smith nor scum i have the worse scumdar ever..

who else did you fail with?
Seraph?

Even if aage is not scum, then IB will be?

i had a good intuition about clever, but then i genuinely thought that sg7 was scum, and he turned out to be seraph (we were quite a few to think the same though). also i was pretty sure about mob and now i consider him as almost cleared.
But aage has to be scum! we had a list of 5 with 4 more than likely smith/scums. the cop will give us interesting results tomorrow though.

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:09 am

vodean wrote:
edocsil wrote:You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

FOS edoc for skimming... you mean aage and IB.

Since aage is likely mafia, we dont want to kill him. we want to kill smith. thats why we should kill aage.

you are just hilarious in all your posts, how can anyone take you seriously! :lol:

by **vodean** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:18 am

betiko wrote:
vodean wrote:
edocsil wrote:You two, (vodean and IB) have got to be kidding me. There is one reason I am voting for one of you two atm. One of you is a liar. One of you HAS to be scum. How is this not helping the town (my action) FFS.

FOS edoc for skimming... you mean aage and IB.

Since aage is likely mafia, we dont want to kill him. we want to kill smith. thats why we should kill aage.

you are just hilarious in all your posts, how can anyone take you seriously!

i literally rofled just now. ok. i didnt realize another page had gone by (i clicked back so i could read from where i left off, and went to other threads. so nevermind what i said about edoc. its irrelevant (point is still good, but its too late now).

for the second one, since we killed aage, then it makes sense. but i meant to say we should kill IB. save mafia for another day. scum, good luck killing smith. cuz if you dont, we will just kill him tomorrow. then we kill you. you may as well help out.

by **aage** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:51 am

vodean wrote:for the second one, since we killed aage, then it makes sense. but i meant to say we should kill IB. save mafia for another day. scum, good luck killing smith. cuz if you dont, we will just kill him tomorrow. then we kill you. you may as well help out.

If you're unlucky, you'll have to lynch DJ and IB before you find smith, and he'll have taken over by then. GG.

by **vodean** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:02 am

well lets see who voted to kill aage. many of them were probably cult... or at least many of the cult probably did.

by **betiko** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:51 am

aage wrote:
vodean wrote:for the second one, since we killed aage, then it makes sense. but i meant to say we should kill IB. save mafia for another day. scum, good luck killing smith. cuz if you dont, we will just kill him tomorrow. then we kill you. you may as well help out.

If you're unlucky, you'll have to lynch DJ and IB before you find smith, and he'll have taken over by then. GG.

maybe you're just a cult recruit.. just read about cult roles cause no body explained it too much... it says that if a cult leader recruits a mafia he gets killed...
why would other people have been killed by smith on the first 2 nights?? killer+recruiter seems a bit too much...
I hope that neo is a vigilante, cause unfortunately cowboyz wasn't there long enough..
AAge's comment on ib and dj seems like pure wifom........

by **jak111** on Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:11 am

vodean wrote:Since aage is likely mafia, we dont want to kill him. we want to kill smith. thats why we should kill aage.

Are you saying he's cloning himself with this line Vodean?

If he's mafia role blocker I'll be happy, if he's Smith I'll be happier.

2. edocsil ~ Trainman, 3rd party Survivor
3. jak111 ~ Trinity, Town Tracker
4. DoomYoshi ~ Neo Town Hider (With new abilities)
5. Iron Butterfly ~ Claimed Keymaker VT
6. MoB Deadly ~ Niobe, Town Doc
7. aage ~ Claimed Keymaker Roleblocker
8. Leehar ~ Sibling Bodyguard 3rd party Survivor
10. thehippo8 ~ Zee VT
11. betiko ~ 3rd party survivor
13. pmchugh ~ VT 3rd party Survivor
14. Djfireside ~ Claimed Spoon Boy Commuter
15. vodean ~ Claimed Mouse VT (Tracked, so can't be Smith)
17. jonty125 ~ 3rd Party Survivor
18. everywhere116 ~ Sati Town Priest
22. thechuck51 ~ Claimed Ghost Vengeful Townie
23. Nebuchadnezer V 2.0 ~ Oracle Town Cop
24. soundman ~ Claimed Dozer VT

(Didn't bother with mason/lover tags since everyone knows that by now)

So with the people left who are not cleared/survivors

Iron Butterfly ~ Claimed Keymaker VT
aage ~ Claimed Keymaker Roleblocker
Djfireside ~ Claimed Spoon Boy Commuter
vodean ~ Claimed Mouse VT (Tracked, so can't be Smith)
thechuck51 ~ Claimed Ghost Vengeful Townie
soundman ~ Claimed Dozer VT

I put Vodean back onto the list because they are not 100% cleared.

So with the above 6 left. We all agree one is Smith (Not Vodean, they have been at least tracked), leaving 5 candidates for that one. Also, 3-4 are Mafia, making 1-2 town. (Though honestly I'll put my bets on 4 mafia remain to give the mafia a chance in this sized game, making it 1 townie left in those 6).

Now, for my opinion and because of how main they are, either Vodean or Soundman are town. I lean more toward Vodean only because they have no night action. However, the other 4 are Smith/Town. Giving us a list like this.

Iron Butterfly ~ Claimed Keymaker VT (Mafia/Smith)
aage ~ Claimed Keymaker Roleblocker (Mafia/Smith)
Djfireside ~ Claimed Spoon Boy Commuter (Mafia)
vodean ~ Claimed Mouse VT (Tracked, so can't be Smith) (Town/Mafia)
thechuck51 ~ Claimed Ghost Vengeful Townie (Mafia)
soundman ~ Claimed Dozer VT (Town/Mafia)

IB and Aage are the only candidates for Smith because they feud with each other, making them in separate teams. HOWEVER, I lean toward Aage because he is even against Dj whom is 99% mafia.

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