Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

by **Djfireside** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:05 pm

Neb

I am in concurance that I dont get what your results were. I know it seems a bit tedious but if you could list out what you have so I can at least not feel like a idiot and so we can all be on the same page.

As for the IB / aage debate and the mafia roleblocker, We know there is a role blocker and based on the results given from aage doesnt seem to fit with anyone who would play a role blocker. He knew who not to block and hitting into Jak is kinda a key point of WTF even though that wasnt your action still plays to the charecter of your flavor. I think we have narrowed smith down pretty well and hopefully will have him taken care of shortly. Just based on the thought that Jak got blocked day 2 speaks well of aage's stature and will agree that he would be a good point to take down if he is the roleblocker to keep Doom moving around properly and if not he is one of my list for Smith so would be a good chance either way. I am still a bit concerned about soundman though as they havent spoken up and seem to be cowering away from this claim too much.

Vote aage

fp aa

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:19 pm

aage wrote:
jak111 wrote:Meh, let's just kill Aage, we need the night phase for more information and if he IS the mafia role blocker he can't stop Doom from hiding so it will work in OUR benefit.

Also Neb, CLAIM YOUR NA's <.< Ghostly must have at least used it once...

Firstly, I doubt Neo is still a hider. Secondly, even if I were scum, blocking the town hero sounds like a bad idea with a cult on the loose.

In my opinion we should simply lynch the liar; IB is the most obvious Smith candidate to me. DJ is the only other option. If IB turns out not to be Smith DJ will get my roleblock. In the meantime Jak can track me if you still doubt me.

You speak as if you are cleared. You have not proved I am lieing you have simply counter claimed me.

Now you try to divert the tracker though that is moot as if I do flip Town people will know your full of it anyways.

Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

by **Djfireside** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:25 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
aage wrote:
jak111 wrote:Meh, let's just kill Aage, we need the night phase for more information and if he IS the mafia role blocker he can't stop Doom from hiding so it will work in OUR benefit.

Also Neb, CLAIM YOUR NA's <.< Ghostly must have at least used it once...

Firstly, I doubt Neo is still a hider. Secondly, even if I were scum, blocking the town hero sounds like a bad idea with a cult on the loose.

In my opinion we should simply lynch the liar; IB is the most obvious Smith candidate to me. DJ is the only other option. If IB turns out not to be Smith DJ will get my roleblock. In the meantime Jak can track me if you still doubt me.

You speak as if you are cleared. You have not proved I am lieing you have simply counter claimed me.

Now you try to divert the tracker though that is moot as if I do flip Town people will know your full of it anyways.

Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

As for aage's comment on Neo's Power, I agree I think he has picked up new power and whethere they are still a hider I am not sure. I was writing up my own repost but when I responded got IB asking the same thought so figured I would couple it. Since you apparently made no action of the sort you came to a sudden conclusion? I know I am on the list as I did not claim until the mass claim but I would like to know your logic and since I came after you I dont forsee a OMGUS reason.

by **DoomYoshi** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:34 pm

The funny thing is that key maker as roleblocker is almost as ridiculous as key maker as VT. I know I said I would lynch VT claims from now on, but I believe IB.

by **aage** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:41 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

Simple. Irrelevant program claim with approximately 15 seconds of screen time seems illegitimate and suspicious. You and DJ are the only options for Smith if you'd ask me, and since you're blatantly lying about your role you're my first pick.

by **jak111** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:49 pm

aage wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

Simple. Irrelevant program claim with approximately 15 seconds of screen time seems illegitimate and suspicious. You and DJ are the only options for Smith if you'd ask me, and since you're blatantly lying about your role you're my first pick.

I don't believe IB but you seem to be against everyone of the scummy people left (meaning you aren't mafia, and you're definitely not with the survivors). So either you are Smith or you really are a Roleblocker which I highly doubt.

Your role is the QUICKEST one taking in reserves when needed, no other reserve role filled that fast. Why didn't Ghost get a reserve as fast as your role did? Hmm? It might be just me guys but Aage has no allies in this game except for maybe two people who don't seem to be helping him too much (his two recruits).

You know, unless another role blocker wants to step up ~Rolls eyes~

by **betiko** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:54 pm

aage wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

Simple. Irrelevant program claim with approximately 15 seconds of screen time seems illegitimate and suspicious. You and DJ are the only options for Smith if you'd ask me, and since you're blatantly lying about your role you're my first pick.

why isn't soundman another option for example?

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:03 pm

damn you are hyperactive atm

. CC mafia be on that sugar bullshit.

hmm... the way i see it, the candidates for scum/cult are: Aage, IB, DJ, neb (only because he really hasnt told us anything from his post... the people he cleared were clear anyway), soundman, chuck, vodean, MoB, and everywhere.

For smith, I am eliminated (we know i did nothing last night :lol:

)
chuck is also nominally eliminated
neb is eliminated, for sake of rationality
MoB could have been recruited, but is not smith

i think both aage and IB are lying.

that leaves:
Aage
IB
DJ
Soundman
chuck (maybe)
everywhere.

I would recommend looking at IB, DJ, soundman, and everywhere, since i think chuck is either mafia or town, and aage is mafia.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:11 pm

aage wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Seeing how you have recently taken over LSUs role please explain to us why DJ would be the other option?

Simple. Irrelevant program claim with approximately 15 seconds of screen time seems illegitimate and suspicious. You and DJ are the only options for Smith if you'd ask me, and since you're blatantly lying about your role you're my first pick.

Your logic is based on screen time in the movie?

The "only option" for Smith?

You were on the way to be lynched when you counter claimed me. You have no choice but to brand me as a liar so I obviously would have to be your first pick.

I always say this during flavor heavt games but, "This is first and foremost a mafia game not a mafia game following a movie plot line" I keep beating a dead horse but Tank was VT.

by **soundman** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:16 pm

Do you people ever sleep? Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I was busy Monday and have only now caught up.

I am Dozer, VT. And no, I was never masoned with Neb. Would have been cool though, saved some town.

Either IB or Aage is lying (obviously). I'd say out of the two I believe Aage's claim more only because I don't see the Keymaker as a VT. Course I didn't see Locke as a VT either and Aage is setting off my scumdar more than IB... My brain is really fried from reading 10+ pages.

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:25 pm

soundman wrote:Do you people ever sleep? Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I was busy Monday and have only now caught up.

I am Dozer, VT. And no, I was never masoned with Neb. Would have been cool though, saved some town.

Either IB or Aage is lying (obviously). I'd say out of the two I believe Aage's claim more only because I don't see the Keymaker as a VT. Course I didn't see Locke as a VT either and Aage is setting off my scumdar more than IB... My brain is really fried from reading 10+ pages.

didnt we already get a Dozer VT claim? maybe it was from soundman. i def got crazy deja vu when i read that.

by **pmchugh** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:48 pm

vodean wrote:
soundman wrote:Do you people ever sleep? Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I was busy Monday and have only now caught up.

I am Dozer, VT. And no, I was never masoned with Neb. Would have been cool though, saved some town.

Either IB or Aage is lying (obviously). I'd say out of the two I believe Aage's claim more only because I don't see the Keymaker as a VT. Course I didn't see Locke as a VT either and Aage is setting off my scumdar more than IB... My brain is really fried from reading 10+ pages.

didnt we already get a Dozer VT claim? maybe it was from soundman. i def got crazy deja vu when i read that.

I searched for Dozer in this thread and it seem we talked about him but no one claimed him and soundman was not involved. Stick it in the search box. It seems a reasonable claim- if it hadn't came so late in the day.

IB is very convincing, sorry for reading you wrongly (or if you are scum, nice recovery

).

I agree with an aage lynch for now, with so many claims out in the open night shouldn't be too hard in figuring out who is Smith, hopefully his whole faction dies with him and mafia have only 2 members left giving town a nice win.

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:57 pm

I talked of Dozer due to his brother showing up. I was hoping to get Dozer flavor confirmed to be in the game.

Still fence sitting on Aage vs IB. I really want to hang Aage honestly, but the VT claim is worse, and honestly useless even if he is telling the truth.

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:03 pm

what if there are 5 mafia left. they know from role PM that mergovians are not involved, and then proceed to fake-claim mergovians and send us on a wild goose chase?

mind=BLOWN.

boom, bitch.

since i forgot to, vote IB

by **safariguy5** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:06 pm

Vote Count

IB(5)- aage, chuck, edoc, hippo, vodean
aage(5)- jak, chuck, jonty, mob, dj

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:07 pm

vodean wrote:what if there are 5 mafia left. they know from role PM that mergovians are not involved, and then proceed to fake-claim mergovians and send us on a wild goose chase?

mind=BLOWN.

boom, bitch.

since i forgot to, vote IB

I would be in love with my ingenious self. However with a already dead scum and 5 survivors, well, you get the point.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:15 pm

edocsil wrote:I talked of Dozer due to his brother showing up. I was hoping to get Dozer flavor confirmed to be in the game.

Still fence sitting on Aage vs IB. I really want to hang Aage honestly, but the VT claim is worse, and honestly useless even if he is telling the truth.

Uselss? A VT as is is mostly useless. I can vote and I can argue thats it.

The one flaw in calling me useless and I beleive you more then anyone would know this, If you lynch me and I flip Town you may just lose a VT but Cult will get a body count lead. You have no interest in who wins. Yopu are just a survivor. I on the other hand am Town and a loss of Town will lose a solidarity vote for Jak/Doom.

I am useless perhaps to you as you have no vested interest in who wins.

You lynch me and I turn Town you have given Cult one more night to solidify their numbers, wekened Town as a vote block and would give cult 5 voices to sow confusion. THAT out ways being just a useless vanilla townie.

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:24 pm

edocsil wrote:
vodean wrote:what if there are 5 mafia left. they know from role PM that mergovians are not involved, and then proceed to fake-claim mergovians and send us on a wild goose chase?

mind=BLOWN.

boom, bitch.

since i forgot to, vote IB

I would be in love with my ingenious self. However with a already dead scum and 5 survivors, well, you get the point.

with 24 people, scum could be 8 people large. that means with 1 dead, up to 7 left. that means 5 claiming 3rd party? plus everywhere, IB and DJ, thats your scum

by **edocsil** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:30 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Long post

Yes. Very nice points. Now why don't they all apply to Aage too?

Clearly one of you is lying. Aage has a more powerful roll, and will be more useful if he is telling the truth. You WILL have uses as well if you are telling the truth, and there are risks as to wasting a day, but none the less, one of you has to die, and Aage has more potential utility.

Vodean =D>

8 scum and a cult in a 24 man game? You much still be drunk from last night

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:38 pm

edocsil wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Long post

Yes. Very nice points. Now why don't they all apply to Aage too?

Clearly one of you is lying. Aage has a more powerful roll, and will be more useful if he is telling the truth. You WILL have uses as well if you are telling the truth, and there are risks as to wasting a day, but none the less, one of you has to die, and Aage has more potential utility.

Vodean

8 scum and a cult in a 24 man game? You much still be drunk from last night

Ok, lets say DJ and edoc are the cult for now... that makes things better.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:22 pm

edocsil wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Long post

Yes. Very nice points. Now why don't they all apply to Aage too?

Clearly one of you is lying. Aage has a more powerful roll, and will be more useful if he is telling the truth. You WILL have uses as well if you are telling the truth, and there are risks as to wasting a day, but none the less, one of you has to die, and Aage has more potential utility.

Vodean

8 scum and a cult in a 24 man game? You much still be drunk from last night

One of us lieing? Gee ya think?

Why would I apply them to aage? I know what the reality of the game is from my perspective.

Your basicly saying one lynch is as good as another, which from your perspective and win condition makes perfect sense. Frankly you could care less.

Your only line of reasoning is that Aaage has more potential yet you havnt looked at anything else to weigh the argument?

You may as well flip a coin because potential is meaningless if I flip scum, because he will either be killed by mafia or recruited. He has also stated he will block DJ, which was completely self serving statement on his part to begin with.

If he flips scum It proves I am Town and he was not a blocker so again "potential" usefulness is meaningless. Considering he has stated he hasnt blocked anyone since playing because he doesnt know who to block also states his "potential" usefulleness. So far his udefulness has been Nil.

by **pmchugh** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:42 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:Your basicly saying one lynch is as good as another, which from your perspective and win condition makes perfect sense. Frankly you could care less.

Good point, I will just for which ever one of them would gets more votes. Right now the VC is wrong, chuck is named twice and I think I had my vote on aage?

by **vodean** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:58 pm

pmchugh wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Your basicly saying one lynch is as good as another, which from your perspective and win condition makes perfect sense. Frankly you could care less.

Good point, I will just for which ever one of them would gets more votes. Right now the VC is wrong, chuck is named twice and I think I had my vote on aage?

great. so we have allies that just want people to die, and enemies that just want us to die. great. at least right now our allies would PREFER that our enemies die since there are fewer of them. wouldnt it be in your interests to kill smith and mafia to end this game without dying?

by **thechuck51** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:10 pm

vodean wrote:
pmchugh wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:Your basicly saying one lynch is as good as another, which from your perspective and win condition makes perfect sense. Frankly you could care less.

Good point, I will just for which ever one of them would gets more votes. Right now the VC is wrong, chuck is named twice and I think I had my vote on aage?

great. so we have allies that just want people to die, and enemies that just want us to die. great. at least right now our allies would PREFER that our enemies die since there are fewer of them. wouldnt it be in your interests to kill smith and mafia to end this game without dying?

There only interest is to survive. They don't think they can do that if Smith is alive. Once we help them kill him all bets are off. From that point on they will take any kill they can get as long as its not one of them.

by **pmchugh** on Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:14 pm

Mafia are probably preferred targets because they are the only ones with night kills (except doom?), but they have no reason to target us anyway.

If I am being honest I think IB is more likely cult and aage is more likely mafia, so I would prefer an aage lynch. I am defo allied with town now though, the mass claim seems to have narrowed down our targets and catching Smith by the end of the night seems viable.

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