Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[jonty125]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

[jak111]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

[DoomYoshi]

This may be weird. Now that I am super Neo though, I support a massclaim.

[pmchugh]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.

[jak111]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.

Unvote, Vote PMC

If you're not going to help us then we really do not need you here, now do we?

[jonty125]

Sounds reasonable. I think right now the priority is in finding the cult leader. Also what does "o.e." mean?

I thought it was a face of some variety.

It's a face.. like "o.o" "-.-" etc..

Anyway.. As for finding the cult leader (Smith) I don't know how we're going to do that in time... I think mafia might be interested in taking out some cult players as well since the cult will effect their win condition.

I don't think town can win at this point, I am a survivor and I am almost tempted to lynch doom. The majority of the players in this game will support that, and I don't want to get mixed up in night kills or super powers that doom has acquired. If people leave me alone I win with them. Edoc you in?

At this point town is just another faction and there is no reason why it should be preferred to any other.

I think we can. vote pmc

[DoomYoshi]

Thanks for the support guys. I knew pmc was trouble.

unvote vote pmc.

I still think a massclaim at this point is a good idea. We aren't going to have much luck against a growing cult without maximum information.

[jonty125]

Thanks for the support guys. I knew pmc was trouble.

unvote vote pmc.

I still think a massclaim at this point is a good idea. We aren't going to have much luck against a growing cult without maximum information.

I disagree. We don't want to expose power roles to be recruited or killed.

[pmchugh]

Jak I feel bad for you but I don't think you can offer me a method to win. All that has to happen is a roleblocker is on doom and then mafia are taking pot shots trying to hit the cult leader. There is going to be a battle between mafia and cult and I don't want to get caught in the cross fire, as town your only hope is that they are desperate to hit each other and they forget about you.

Voting for me is pointless though, you need to find the cult leader or at worst mafia members.

[MoB Deadly]

I dont mind claiming if I have to. I would like some others' to chime in and see if they would like to see a mass claim before I do so. I don't think we need to just yet.

I do agree PMC slipped up big time, I am praying hes cult or mafia

vote pmc

[jak111]

Jak I feel bad for you but I don't think you can offer me a method to win. All that has to happen is a roleblocker is on doom and then mafia are taking pot shots trying to hit the cult leader. There is going to be a battle between mafia and cult and I don't want to get caught in the cross fire, as town your only hope is that they are desperate to hit each other and they forget about you.

Voting for me is pointless though, you need to find the cult leader or at worst mafia members.

Fasposted by MoB, but yea.. you could be mafia or cult PMC... so my vote stays.

[vodean]

This may be weird. Now that I am super Neo though, I support a massclaim.

uh... im not saying im against this since more than half of unclaimed people are probably mafia or cult, but why does being super-neo affect it? Unless you have new powers... if so maybe say that you do. please dont tell us what they are though. regardless of what aage says.

why would you want to go after me? i have been one of the people most adamant AGAINST pushing you or pressuring you. as the town leaders, essentially, we should follow your lead.

hmmm... im not sure that edoc wouldnt be scum... he could at least be cult, though.

Hey cult leader, did you not recruit N1, 2, and 3 because you couldnt? or because you were blocked? or because you recruited people like clever, doom, and jak?

Ok i will be gone for 24 hours or so. please do not lynch me in that time.


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PMC, now we know who to lynch when we run out of cases. for now though, lets scumhunt guys. unless we think pmc is cult leader. town is still the largest single faction, with at least 4 members, by my count (jak, doom, hippo, me). cult only has 3, and mafia has max 5 or so, maybe 6 (you all know better than me how large saf likes his mafia to be, and you say 4). for now i will unvote vote pmc. lets get a full claim out of him, and i want to hear from edoc if he is masoned to anyone.


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jonty, power roles are already exposed. that wont change

pmc again: we still outnumber you. you are in the crossfire as 3rd party.

i think that if we leave pmc alive and let mafia kill him it might serve our interests, as well as theirs. that means two of us dead (or 1 if we get lucky), and the mafia keep their enemies' numbers under control.

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[edocsil]

FOS PMC and Chuck ... you guys better explain yourselves! And Aage whatchugottasaynow?

For what? For pressing edoc? Who just claimed survivor and for all we know could have been recruited? I have nothing to explain.

There are a few things I don't still get about the actions but I might be being slow. Edoc how did you know who doom would hide behind? And what if doom was blocked/killed straight up?

f*ck it. I know who the Oracle is, and everyone who is paying attention should too. I had assumed that Doom hid behind the Oracle, who I swapped with Mob (and why the heck is everyone bringing up jak? I only drove him N3, not N4) This is where the cookie line came from. For some reason Doom's hide must have failed (roleblock) and then was subsequently killed by the scum. Only thing that makes sense, otherwise Jak would have been dead too. There is a scum (or a retarded townie I supose..) roleblocker by Doom's and Jak's accounts, so the idea plausible.

Aage is my number 1 man for being Smith. There are only 6 players whose identity I currently do not know, so my odds of guessing scum are high to say the least. Unvote vote aage

Edit:

Well that is a development. There are 5 of us survivors. Some of us may be recruits, I do not know. There are 3 cult and likely 3 scum, Perhaps 4. The cult and the scum I am almost certain cannot win together, Smith absorbs EVERYONE, even the other agents. We must hang 2 of the 3 groups, town, scum, cult before the game will end. Town is the largest and they want to cooperate. I see no point to try to side with the unknown factions.

Also, town you are cutting your own throat with hanging him. See the POTC for reference. YOU have to find the cult leader before you are over run.

[vodean]

FOS PMC and Chuck ... you guys better explain yourselves! And Aage whatchugottasaynow?

For what? For pressing edoc? Who just claimed survivor and for all we know could have been recruited? I have nothing to explain.

There are a few things I don't still get about the actions but I might be being slow. Edoc how did you know who doom would hide behind? And what if doom was blocked/killed straight up?

f*ck it. I know who the Oracle is, and everyone who is paying attention should too. I had assumed that Doom hid behind the Oracle, who I swapped with Mob (and why the heck is everyone bringing up jak? I only drove him N3, not N4) This is where the cookie line came from. For some reason Doom's hide must have failed (roleblock) and then was subsequently killed by the scum. Only thing that makes sense, otherwise Jak would have been dead too. There is a scum (or a retarded townie I supose..) roleblocker by Doom's and Jak's accounts, so the idea plausible.

Aage is my number 1 man for being Smith. There are only 6 players whose identity I currently do not know, so my odds of guessing scum are high to say the least. Unvote vote aage

Edit:

Well that is a development. There are 5 of us survivors. Some of us may be recruits, I do not know. There are 3 cult and likely 3 scum, Perhaps 4. The cult and the scum I am almost certain cannot win together, Smith absorbs EVERYONE, even the other agents. We must hang 2 of the 3 groups, town, scum, cult before the game will end. Town is the largest and they want to cooperate. I see no point to try to side with the unknown factions.

Also, town you are cutting your own throat with hanging him. See the POTC for reference. YOU have to find the cult leader before you are over run.

i think edoc is in the cult. he is either saying pmc is oracle, or that pmc is some other former town power-role, who is now 3rd party.

[pmchugh]

Jak I feel bad for you but I don't think you can offer me a method to win. All that has to happen is a roleblocker is on doom and then mafia are taking pot shots trying to hit the cult leader. There is going to be a battle between mafia and cult and I don't want to get caught in the cross fire, as town your only hope is that they are desperate to hit each other and they forget about you.

Voting for me is pointless though, you need to find the cult leader or at worst mafia members.

Fasposted by MoB, but yea.. you could be mafia or cult PMC... so my vote stays.

I have no action. I have plenty people who can back up my claim as edoc just did. I could have been recruited although I haven't, if I had though it wouldn't even matter as you need the cult leader or mafia to have a chance of winning. I may be persuaded to vote aage, although if we don't get agent smith within a day or two I will side against town.

[jonty125]

Also, town you are cutting your own throat with hanging him. See the POTC for reference. YOU have to find the cult leader before you are over run.

Cult leader could get roleblocked. Scene might indicate that. We find cult leader . I don't think we're @ MYLO.

[aage]

Hmm. I dislike lynching Neo, since he is our main weapon to victory anyway... What's annoying about the current situation is that we don't know what will happen when the Cult Leader is killed. If I had any suspicion that pmc was the Leader, I would immediately cast my vote but I doubt he is. More likely, he's a decoy trying to lead attention away from his master. In this case, that most probably would mean me, but I know I'm not the CL.

A massclaim is something we should avoid. Clever had a fakeclaim in his arsenal, I suspect Smith will too. We will not find him by exposing every VT and PR in the game for him to take out.


I am going to throw away the VT-cult theory we had and suggest what I had intended for the original Matrix game, which is making a division between Programs and People. There's only one example of a person being transformed by Smith (Bane) and every single program in the story was transformed near the end of Matrix Revolutions. Combined with what NK's Smith has been able to make (Morpheus and Mifune) this theory can hold shreds of truth, in my opinion.


If the movies teach us anything, though, it is that when Neo gets converted the cult will blow up. This is something I'd be very interested in to try... The game mechanics aren't there to sit silently. With a busdriver in the game, I think we should definitely give it a shot at some point.



And of course Edoc and pcm are in the cult. Doesn't mean it's a good idea to kill them, though.

[vodean]

Also, town you are cutting your own throat with hanging him. See the POTC for reference. YOU have to find the cult leader before you are over run.

Cult leader could get roleblocked. Scene might indicate that. We find cult leader . I don't think we're @ MYLO.

is jonty confessing to being cult leader by way of smiley?

[MoB Deadly]

I did hide behind jak last night. Jak is still alive thoug,mwhich doesn't make sense here. It is possible my night action didn't work like I thought it did and that someone who called BS on my hider claim tried to get me.

[jak111]

Edoc, you said there were other survivors.. List them. Right now I think I may have put this together..

With soo many 'survivors' it may be because only survivors can be recruited which means Edoc and PMC have likely hood of being so. Though I want names to work with here Edoc, not numbers. Help us see who remains to be either mafia or cult leader, and then we will see what happens to the converted afterward.

Fasposted

[vodean]

I did hide behind jak last night. Jak is still alive thoug,mwhich doesn't make sense here. It is possible my night action didn't work like I thought it did and that someone who called BS on my hider claim tried to get me.

uhhh... ok. why quote this though?

[everywhere116]

Edoc, you said there were other survivors.. List them. Right now I think I may have put this together..

With soo many 'survivors' it may be because only survivors can be recruited which means Edoc and PMC have likely hood of being so. Though I want names to work with here Edoc, not numbers. Help us see who remains to be either mafia or cult leader, and then we will see what happens to the converted afterward.

Fasposted

Why would edoc know the identities of the other survivors?

[jak111]

Edoc, you said there were other survivors.. List them. Right now I think I may have put this together..

With soo many 'survivors' it may be because only survivors can be recruited which means Edoc and PMC have likely hood of being so. Though I want names to work with here Edoc, not numbers. Help us see who remains to be either mafia or cult leader, and then we will see what happens to the converted afterward.

Fasposted

Why would edoc know the identities of the other survivors?

There are 5 of us survivors. Some of us may be recruits, I do not know.

Maybe for the fact that he states he knows there's 5?

[vodean]

Edoc, you said there were other survivors.. List them. Right now I think I may have put this together..

With soo many 'survivors' it may be because only survivors can be recruited which means Edoc and PMC have likely hood of being so. Though I want names to work with here Edoc, not numbers. Help us see who remains to be either mafia or cult leader, and then we will see what happens to the converted afterward.

Fasposted

Why would edoc know the identities of the other survivors?

cult.

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry vode - I hit submit too fast...

I did hide behind jak last night. Jak is still alive thoug,mwhich doesn't make sense here. It is possible my night action didn't work like I thought it did and that someone who called BS on my hider claim tried to get me.

Was to clear up edocs post.. It looked like it wasn't 100% clear.

f*ck it. I know who the Oracle is, and everyone who is paying attention should too. I had assumed that Doom hid behind the Oracle, who I swapped with Mob (and why the heck is everyone bringing up jak? I only drove him N3, not N4) This is where the cookie line came from. For some reason Doom's hide must have failed (roleblock) and then was subsequently killed by the scum. Only thing that makes sense, otherwise Jak would have been dead too. There is a scum (or a retarded townie I supose..) roleblocker by Doom's and Jak's accounts, so the idea plausible.