Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[Iron Butterfly]

Yeah, I'm gonna put the scene up soon, went home for Fathers Day and I had to get up early and work. Sorry for the delay.

screw em let them wait.

[jak111]

Meh, I'm patient, sorta busy waiting for my girl to reply XD

[pmchugh]

Meh, I'm patient, sorta busy waiting for my girl to reply XD

Busy... waiting? Sounds like someone is whipped

[safariguy5]

Scene

A dark suited man walked toward his target. Advancing on the helpless victim, the man thrust his hand into the victim and the same dark liquid radiated out. Within seconds, there were two exact copies of the same suited man and they both walked away.

Meanwhile, Neo was on the run. An agent pursued him, firing a pistol in an attempt to bring Neo down. Seeing a fire escape, Neo ran up it as fast as he could. When he got to the top floor, he climbed in an open window and opened the front door of the apartment.

Another agent stood there. The agent leveled his gun and fired twice at point blank range.

???- Neo has been killed.

Only human.

The agents walk away, leaving Neo's body in the hallway. However, he begins to stir. In no time at all, he opens his eyes and dusts himself off. He puts on a pair of sunglasses and a long black trenchcoat that he found in the closet of the apartment and walks away.

???- Neo has been auto-revived.

It is now Day 5! With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

[DoomYoshi]

Oh yea. Bring it on Mafia Scum.

[pmchugh]

Not bad. Though the cult seems to be growing a bit too fast.

vote edoc- explain the hammer.

[jak111]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

[edocsil]

Meta, I hammer Shield whenever possible. Have a cookie, Mob is scum. Sorry Neo, I assumed you wouldn't try to hide there.

vote mob Can't say if it's cult or scum, just that Neo didn't target who he thought he did.

[thechuck51]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

can you say that for sure? just because he didn't visit anyone doesn't mean he's VT. It could be a passive role. Seraph was non Zion and was a power role. That's 7 for 7 where non zion = PR and zion = VT.

Also lets not forget what your last piece of intel led to.

Not bad. Though the cult seems to be growing a bit too fast.

vote edoc- explain the hammer.

Agreed. It would also be nice if Ghostly popped in.

fastposted by Edoc

[thechuck51]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

just because he didn't visit anybody doesn't mean he's VT. he could have a passive role or maybe he;s just a mafia goon that didn't try for the kill.

Meta, I hammer Shield whenever possible. Have a cookie, Mob is scum. Sorry Neo, I assumed you wouldn't try to hide there.

vote mob Can't say if it's cult or scum, just that Neo didn't target who he thought he did.

Well I'm glad the other 23 people trying to play the game didn't keep you from having your fun. I guess the fact that you got one of our protection roles lynched shouldn't matter because its "meta".

vote Edoc until we hear more about your case on Mob and to see if Doom can corroborate what you claim.

[thechuck51]

sorry about the pseudo-double post. got distracted and forgot I had already quoted/replied to jak.

[Iron Butterfly]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

Explain your logic.

[jak111]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

can you say that for sure? just because he didn't visit anyone doesn't mean he's VT. It could be a passive role. Seraph was non Zion and was a power role. That's 7 for 7 where non zion = PR and zion = VT.

Also lets not forget what your last piece of intel led to.

Not bad. Though the cult seems to be growing a bit too fast.

vote edoc- explain the hammer.

Agreed. It would also be nice if Ghostly popped in.

fastposted by Edoc

With this Cult in our midst I am worried. I can not 100% confirm it, but I'll place my bet on it. This Zion theory literally is crap. No offense to whoever first suggested it but anyone could be a VT. Just because she/he doesn't fall under your THEORY, does not make her/him scum. So while I'm trying to refine myself more in these games to not let my emotions get in the way, back the F off. You're like parasites and psychomaniacs... Sure, PERHAPS SHE/HE ISN'T VT. But for now, it's a lot more likely then your theories.

And oh shit.. I'm tripping.. I just looked down at my popcicle wrapper thing.. and it shrunk in front of my eyes.. It was soo big.. and then it was a tiny wrapper...

Anyway.. <.< Wrapper.. Everytime I look at it now it keeps going from big to small..... That's just creepy...

Okay, okay, the wrapper can wait.. umm.. >.< What was I saying?... Oh yea. Your theories can be put on a hold, if we have a cop role that really wants to waste their night action then go right ahead.. I guess Tracker might as well not be in the game if they get no say or their role is countered with "It doesn't really prove it" Of course it doesn't but for now, let's focus on others, he/she had the benefit of doubt from me until we exhaust all other scummy/uncleared players. Sorry if I'm simple minded when I say this, but people need to move onto the next step in this game sometimes.

I should really video tape this wrapper o.o You guys would be freaked out right now...

Also, Doom, pm me tonight on what you know of what happened in that scene... That was messed.. I thought we were both dead for a minute when I read that you died and seen another blue name...

[thechuck51]

With this Cult in our midst I am worried. I can not 100% confirm it, but I'll place my bet on it. This Zion theory literally is crap. No offense to whoever first suggested it but anyone could be a VT. Just because she/he doesn't fall under your THEORY, does not make her/him scum. So while I'm trying to refine myself more in these games to not let my emotions get in the way, back the F off. You're like parasites and psychomaniacs... Sure, PERHAPS SHE/HE ISN'T VT. But for now, it's a lot more likely then your theories.

And oh shit.. I'm tripping.. I just looked down at my popcicle wrapper thing.. and it shrunk in front of my eyes.. It was soo big.. and then it was a tiny wrapper...

Anyway.. <.< Wrapper.. Everytime I look at it now it keeps going from big to small..... That's just creepy...

Okay, okay, the wrapper can wait.. umm.. >.< What was I saying?... Oh yea. Your theories can be put on a hold, if we have a cop role that really wants to waste their night action then go right ahead.. I guess Tracker might as well not be in the game if they get no say or their role is countered with "It doesn't really prove it" Of course it doesn't but for now, let's focus on others, he/she had the benefit of doubt from me until we exhaust all other scummy/uncleared players. Sorry if I'm simple minded when I say this, but people need to move onto the next step in this game sometimes.

I should really video tape this wrapper o.o You guys would be freaked out right now...

Also, Doom, pm me tonight on what you know of what happened in that scene... That was messed.. I thought we were both dead for a minute when I read that you died and seen another blue name...

WTF was that all about??

I'm not saying everybody should be voting vodean, just that we should keep his claim in mind.

You know if a tracker wasn't in the game our town bodyguard probably wouldn't have been lynched yesterday so please keep that in mind anytime you want to be all high and mighty.

[jak111]

With this Cult in our midst I am worried. I can not 100% confirm it, but I'll place my bet on it. This Zion theory literally is crap. No offense to whoever first suggested it but anyone could be a VT. Just because she/he doesn't fall under your THEORY, does not make her/him scum. So while I'm trying to refine myself more in these games to not let my emotions get in the way, back the F off. You're like parasites and psychomaniacs... Sure, PERHAPS SHE/HE ISN'T VT. But for now, it's a lot more likely then your theories.

And oh shit.. I'm tripping.. I just looked down at my popcicle wrapper thing.. and it shrunk in front of my eyes.. It was soo big.. and then it was a tiny wrapper...

Anyway.. <.< Wrapper.. Everytime I look at it now it keeps going from big to small..... That's just creepy...

Okay, okay, the wrapper can wait.. umm.. >.< What was I saying?... Oh yea. Your theories can be put on a hold, if we have a cop role that really wants to waste their night action then go right ahead.. I guess Tracker might as well not be in the game if they get no say or their role is countered with "It doesn't really prove it" Of course it doesn't but for now, let's focus on others, he/she had the benefit of doubt from me until we exhaust all other scummy/uncleared players. Sorry if I'm simple minded when I say this, but people need to move onto the next step in this game sometimes.

I should really video tape this wrapper o.o You guys would be freaked out right now...

Also, Doom, pm me tonight on what you know of what happened in that scene... That was messed.. I thought we were both dead for a minute when I read that you died and seen another blue name...

WTF was that all about??

I'm not saying everybody should be voting vodean, just that we should keep his claim in mind.

You know if a tracker wasn't in the game our town bodyguard probably wouldn't have been lynched yesterday so please keep that in mind anytime you want to be all high and mighty.

I'm sorry, I think I'm suffering from actually a natural high o.e... Like.. I'm so scared and tripped out right now I'm afraid to look around my own room at things... >.< Only the computer is staying normal.. Everything else is like shapeshifting....

Anyway, just remember I gave him the chance to come forward, people were voting him BEFORE me giving out his name, Edoc hammered faster than I hoped for (was hoping SG7 was just trying to push his luck and L-1 would make him speak, though I checked his profile a bit too late and noticed he hasn't logged in for 3 days when that happened). But seriously, don't try to pin the death on me bud. He joined the game, targeted someone at night, then never showed up the next day when he was already suspicious. (Plus I still can't get over that he was also a mason which EVERYONE seems to be forgetting. Doom and I are masons.. But another pair in the same game? Is his mason buddy Ghostly?) With who he targeted and what he was, I'm GUESSING Ghostly may be in the clear, no one is claiming SG7's mason buddy, and I think at L-2 they would have came in and cleared him. Since Ghostly has been inactive this made even that impossible. (Seriously Saf, can he be prodded? That death could have been avoided yesterday with an active mason buddy -.-).

Does anyone disagree with me saying that if his mason buddy is not Ghostly that he/she is immediately suspicious for letting him die like that?

So anyhow, does anyone have information to bring forward? Or are we only going off my information yet again today? You've had 4 nights and no one wants to help the town out here? While I don't think I'm 'high and mighty' as Chuck puts it, I think I'm the only one bringing forth what he has for information. There has to be a cop or something out there that can clear 2-4 people at least... Same with the busdriver, he knows who the mafia targeted N1, but for all we know that target is already dead! So while I hate to belittle town, does anyone want to actually bring something forward if they're going to trash what I bring forward? Or are they going to be critics who really have no facts to back themselves up, so they're ranting just to rant.

[everywhere116]

Meta, I hammer Shield whenever possible. Have a cookie, Mob is scum. Sorry Neo, I assumed you wouldn't try to hide there.

vote mob Can't say if it's cult or scum, just that Neo didn't target who he thought he did.

What makes you sure that MoB is scum, unless it's just a really good feeling...

[thechuck51]

Anyway, just remember I gave him the chance to come forward, people were voting him BEFORE me giving out his name, Edoc hammered faster than I hoped for (was hoping SG7 was just trying to push his luck and L-1 would make him speak, though I checked his profile a bit too late and noticed he hasn't logged in for 3 days when that happened). But seriously, don't try to pin the death on me bud. He joined the game, targeted someone at night, then never showed up the next day when he was already suspicious. (Plus I still can't get over that he was also a mason which EVERYONE seems to be forgetting. Doom and I are masons.. But another pair in the same game? Is his mason buddy Ghostly?) With who he targeted and what he was, I'm GUESSING Ghostly may be in the clear, no one is claiming SG7's mason buddy, and I think at L-2 they would have came in and cleared him. Since Ghostly has been inactive this made even that impossible. (Seriously Saf, can he be prodded? That death could have been avoided yesterday with an active mason buddy -.-).

Does anyone disagree with me saying that if his mason buddy is not Ghostly that he/she is immediately suspicious for letting him die like that?

So anyhow, does anyone have information to bring forward? Or are we only going off my information yet again today? You've had 4 nights and no one wants to help the town out here? While I don't think I'm 'high and mighty' as Chuck puts it, I think I'm the only one bringing forth what he has for information. There has to be a cop or something out there that can clear 2-4 people at least... Same with the busdriver, he knows who the mafia targeted N1, but for all we know that target is already dead! So while I hate to belittle town, does anyone want to actually bring something forward if they're going to trash what I bring forward? Or are they going to be critics who really have no facts to back themselves up, so they're ranting just to rant.

I actually agree with everything you've posted here. I think Edoc should be able to shed some light on recent happenings.

[pmchugh]

Meta, I hammer Shield whenever possible. Have a cookie, Mob is scum. Sorry Neo, I assumed you wouldn't try to hide there.

vote mob Can't say if it's cult or scum, just that Neo didn't target who he thought he did.

Huh? Explain more please.

Also, what a shite excuse. If he was your lover would you hammer him? You cannot use meta in your own defense, otherwise any time you are scum you can get away with bad play and just say "meta". If you can't explain why it was the right course of action in this game then you shouldn't have done it, if you have done it before you must have had a valid reason then and that reason must be even more cemented if it is valid for every single game ever.

[MoB Deadly]

Tracked Vodean, Vodean is VT.

Or a mafia goon? but chances are she is VT because of her battle with clever.

17 players alive. You would think 4-5 mafia at the start? Now the cult is at least 3 players strong.

That means approximately.....

10 town and third party
4 mafia
3 cult

If we mislynch today... by tomorrow

8 town/third party
4 mafia
4 cult

The anti-town could be even with town...

Not factoring in even any third party's that can go either way or maybe have an alternate win condition

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

edoc(2)- pmc, chuck
mob(1)- edoc

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

I will prod ghostly again, if he doesn't return, I'll replace him.

[MoB Deadly]

I think our best bet is to look at the lynch patterns and see if we see anything. Did anyone hop on clever towards the end just to get "town points"? FOS edoc, he kinda just voted my name without any supporting evidence. I know I was likely going to be a target today, and I feel like he just wanted to get my name out there why someone piggybacks off it and say "yeah! MoBs scum!"

My plan is to look at who tried to go for the bandwagons that failed early in the game.
dazza wagon (for being to aggressive)
hippo wagon (for voting every bandwagon)
vodean wagon (for accusing everyone)

Jak wagon (I forget the reason he ended up claiming, or it may of been a doom wagon)
Who was reluctant to join the clever wagon when it first began, and/or who deflected the wagon to vodean

--
smaller wagons that just never started

IB wagon
Leehar wagon

I am very interested if there are any patterns on who seemed to get easily convinced to jump on those. That would be a good place to start scum-hunting.

I know thats not going to help us much with the cult we have, but its a good place to start....

[MoB Deadly]

Sorry for the triple post but I do want to apologize, work has been absolutely crazy and 2 weekends ago I went to a concert, and this past weekend was fathers day.. so I have been really busy...

Next weekend I have a bachelor's party and the following weekend I will have a wedding, so I will attempt to get on to post as I can... I wish I had more time

[jak111]

Have fun MoB.

Although I think even now the Mafia would be interested in helping town out, not for the sake of being good.. but for the sake to survive. There is a recruiter/cultist.. We KNOW that. Now the question is, can they take over mafia as well? If so, the mafia can't even trust their own at this point.

Also, I'm not sure why you think there'd also be some 3rd parties mixed in here.. There's mafia, Smith, and townies right now... Smith is 3rd party recruiter it seems.. so why would Saf make the game balance AGAINST us?

[edocsil]

I guess I wasn't going to spell it all out for you folks, be people are unable to connect the dots here...


As for shield. He has not yet posted in his other games he is away from, and has in fact not logged in for a week. Perhaps I was earlier then you all liked, but idgaf honestly. I was right, we were just going to sit and stare at each other till he was hung for not posting. Or perhaps we should have just waited for replacements? Well, there are still plenty of players opting not to play so we can start with them if the mod likes. Was the action scummy? Yeah, was any thing else going to happen that day? No.

Now here is where I am more embarrassed with you all. How did Neo EXPLICITLY say he could die? If he hid behind scum. He died tonight so either he was a pussy and didn't use his hide to investigate (Dumb due to his resurrection abilities he was so kind to leave out of his claim. Perhaps it was for the best anyhow.) Or he hid behind someone. I know fairly certainly who he hid behind, and I know that I busdrove that person with Mob Deadly. I left enough of a hint in my posts that Neo should be able to confirm my suspicions of his target, or if he doesn't I suppose he can just claim his target too.

Anyhow Neo died because he targeted scum due to the fact that no one else is dead too with the standard hider mechanics. I claim his target due to my action is Mob, and hopefully Neo will confirm. Jak should have been able to confirm this as well, but since he is a derp he didn't target ME. I was easily the most scummy looking player going in, and a simple track would prove the truth of my actions. He is also now high as a kite, so he can't confirm Neo's action either.

So the moral of this wall of text is simple. Neo gets on, and claims his target/verifies my suspicions and we hang the bastard he ended up hiding behind.

[jak111]

I guess I wasn't going to spell it all out for you folks, be people are unable to connect the dots here...


As for shield. He has not yet posted in his other games he is away from, and has in fact not logged in for a week. Perhaps I was earlier then you all liked, but idgaf honestly. I was right, we were just going to sit and stare at each other till he was hung for not posting. Or perhaps we should have just waited for replacements? Well, there are still plenty of players opting not to play so we can start with them if the mod likes. Was the action scummy? Yeah, was any thing else going to happen that day? No.

Now here is where I am more embarrassed with you all. How did Neo EXPLICITLY say he could die? If he hid behind scum. He died tonight so either he was a pussy and didn't use his hide to investigate (Dumb due to his resurrection abilities he was so kind to leave out of his claim. Perhaps it was for the best anyhow.) Or he hid behind someone. I know fairly certainly who he hid behind, and I know that I busdrove that person with Mob Deadly. I left enough of a hint in my posts that Neo should be able to confirm my suspicions of his target, or if he doesn't I suppose he can just claim his target too.

Anyhow Neo died because he targeted scum due to the fact that no one else is dead too with the standard hider mechanics. I claim his target due to my action is Mob, and hopefully Neo will confirm. Jak should have been able to confirm this as well, but since he is a derp he didn't target ME. I was easily the most scummy looking player going in, and a simple track would prove the truth of my actions. He is also now high as a kite, so he can't confirm Neo's action either.

So the moral of this wall of text is simple. Neo gets on, and claims his target/verifies my suspicions and we hang the bastard he ended up hiding behind.

I can't quote pm's... but Doom hid behind me unless he sent Saf a different message afterward... I was going to track you Edoc but Doom called me off of it <.<