Master Kai wrote:There is some merit to the idea. Working out how it would work is another. Personally, if someone has the opportunity to just buy back into the game [I don't know if this is true], then maybe removing medals as well, may be enough of a deterrent for some folks. If people don't violate the rules, then they don't have to worry about how the sentence is applied.
Just my thoughts. But thanks for the suggestion. Certainly an idea worth exploring.
It's true and not true. You can buy back into the game, but not always.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
I like the idea of stripping medals from people who are actually convicted of cheating, being a multis. I do not necessarily think it should apply for other types of punishments, particularly forum abusers. The problem is that many forum abusers are not truly convicted/punished for that, they are punished for being multis. Partly its because being a multis is a much clearer rule to enforce.
I can see having a procedure to keep some medals.. particularly the special distinctions, which can be earned for things that have nothing really to do with gaming wins per se. Most other medals are based purely on wins/losses and therefore being a multis would have contributed to their gain. Punishment could rightly include removal of those medals on that ground.
PLAYER57832 wrote:I like the idea of stripping medals from people who are actually convicted of cheating, being a multis. I do not necessarily think it should apply for other types of punishments, particularly forum abusers. The problem is that many forum abusers are not truly convicted/punished for that, they are punished for being multis. Partly its because being a multis is a much clearer rule to enforce.
I can see having a procedure to keep some medals.. particularly the special distinctions, which can be earned for things that have nothing really to do with gaming wins per se. Most other medals are based purely on wins/losses and therefore being a multis would have contributed to their gain. Punishment could rightly include removal of those medals on that ground.
Aye, that's fair comment.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
Part of this debate depends on how much you want punishment to serve a deterrent or punitive purpose rather than a restorative purpose. If it's just meant to restore some balance to the points and medals, you would want to narrowly tailor these punishments to the actions and only take away the relevant points and medals. Many who have posted here, I would presume, do not feel the need for such mercy. It is not a rebalancing of the universe they are after. It is to hit cheaters hard. I can't say I entirely disagree with these folks either.
agentcom wrote:Part of this debate depends on how much you want punishment to serve a deterrent or punitive purpose rather than a restorative purpose. If it's just meant to restore some balance to the points and medals, you would want to narrowly tailor these punishments to the actions and only take away the relevant points and medals. Many who have posted here, I would presume, do not feel the need for such mercy. It is not a rebalancing of the universe they are after. It is to hit cheaters hard. I can't say I entirely disagree with these folks either.
So what is your take?
(Please do have a look at the posts earlier in the thread though- many are thoughtful)
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
agentcom wrote:Part of this debate depends on how much you want punishment to serve a deterrent or punitive purpose rather than a restorative purpose. If it's just meant to restore some balance to the points and medals, you would want to narrowly tailor these punishments to the actions and only take away the relevant points and medals. Many who have posted here, I would presume, do not feel the need for such mercy. It is not a rebalancing of the universe they are after. It is to hit cheaters hard. I can't say I entirely disagree with these folks either.
So what is your take?
(Please do have a look at the posts earlier in the thread though- many are thoughtful)
At this point, I've read through the entire thread. And responded to much of it. My perspective leans more to the punitive for things like multis or freestyle turn abuse. I don't mind if the punishment for this action is "overly" harsh. I think this has been a fairly consistent opinion of mine so far in this thread. The post you quoted: I was just pointing out that I think that's the reason for disagreement among posters here. Almost everyone will approve of some sort of punishment. It's just a battle over the degree of punishment. I'm for strong punishments for these blatant cheating activities.
Some feedback from the actual implementers would be nice.
How manageable would it be to strip team medals for cheaters who have cheated only in team games?
Would the optimal punishment simply be stripping medals and point resetting for serious infractions? Or should the punishment be implemented so that medals and points are reset to the time when the first multi was created (seems unnecessarily too difficult to implement)?
I would support this idea. If you cheat, you shouldn't be able to keep what you earned through deceit. A point reset and stripping of relevant medals would be appropriate in my opinion.
I don't think it should be used for forum infractions, since the forum has absolutely nothing to do with points or medals. I think this should be used purely for game-related infractions, but mainly for serious cheating, such as multis, secret diplomacy, farming/ranching, etc.
blakebowling wrote:IMO, anyone found cheating should be busted, and reset (both to 1000, no medals). They should be allowed a single option to buy-back (as most people don't actually think it's monitored), and if they offend again, then they should be permanently website banned.
blakebowling wrote:IMO, anyone found cheating should be busted, and reset (both to 1000, no medals). They should be allowed a single option to buy-back (as most people don't actually think it's monitored), and if they offend again, then they should be permanently website banned.
If any form of this suggestion is implemented, it needs to be done in a way which allows for the stripping (of points, medals, or whatever) to be easily and completely undone for the situations where a user is wrongly busted.
I like the stripping of medals, but I'm not so sure about a point reset. Presumably, most offenders will have amassed a great deal of points, and they just disappear after the reset. That doesn't help the players who have been cheated out of points. How about they are just kicked out of all active games?
The Voice wrote:I like the stripping of medals, but I'm not so sure about a point reset. Presumably, most offenders will have amassed a great deal of points, and they just disappear after the reset. That doesn't help the players who have been cheated out of points.
Not only that, the ability to play at a lower rank would unfairly damage those they play after the reset.
I do also agree with the stripping of medals, however.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
deathcomesrippin wrote:I agree with multis having their points reset. I still don't agree with stripping all of their medals.
If anything, it should be the opposite of this. Having a point reset effects the people they play next. If someone is actually at the level of a major/colonel and only has 1000 points, then they steal points from players.
Getting their medals stripped effects others in no way.
deathcomesrippin wrote:I agree with multis having their points reset. I still don't agree with stripping all of their medals.
If anything, it should be the opposite of this. Having a point reset effects the people they play next. If someone is actually at the level of a major/colonel and only has 1000 points, then they steal points from players.
Getting their medals stripped effects others in no way.
That's how I see it, as well.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
deathcomesrippin wrote:I agree with multis having their points reset. I still don't agree with stripping all of their medals.
If anything, it should be the opposite of this. Having a point reset effects the people they play next. If someone is actually at the level of a major/colonel and only has 1000 points, then they steal points from players.
Getting their medals stripped effects others in no way.
I agree, that seems like a fair analysis.
the world is in greater peril from those who tolerate or encourage evil than from those who actually commit it- Albert Einstein
I think rather than stripping their medals, they get a nice shiny asterisk medal to add to their collection so that the community can easily identify those who have cheated. And I think this new medal should be backdated.
taking a break from cc, will be back sometime in the future.
patrickaa317 wrote:I think rather than stripping their medals, they get a nice shiny asterisk medal to add to their collection so that the community can easily identify those who have cheated. And I think this new medal should be backdated.
For my money, that's not obvious enough. But that's just me.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
deathcomesrippin wrote:I agree with multis having their points reset. I still don't agree with stripping all of their medals.
If anything, it should be the opposite of this. Having a point reset effects the people they play next. If someone is actually at the level of a major/colonel and only has 1000 points, then they steal points from players.
Getting their medals stripped effects others in no way.
I agree, that seems like a fair analysis.
Great point ... hadn't considered that.
What about a point penalty? Knock them down by 1000 points or something like that? Then there's not so much of a "penalty" to the next players. And if these people stop doing what they've been charged and convicted of doing, they shouldn't really be amassing points hand over fist like they were before. Basically send them back down closer to where they "should" be without punishing other users.
