Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[jak111]

I've already contributed my thoughts on flavour.

I'm going to start off by FOS S7C. Based on yesterday for sheeping Leehar. I don't think its vote worthy but its a starting place.

I cAn go with this.

Vote clever

ummm...ya...im not commenting on this...

nevermind i will

what is in your mind right now doom? lol i mean come on your sheeping on him voting me...for sheeping! omg regardless go ahead and vote me. and by the way he said wasnt enough for a vote yet you vote. why?

Look at my post bud, we discussed it last night. We were planning on voting you sometime today, but I guess someone pointed it out before us.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

oh damn i missed a whole page.

I've already contributed my thoughts on flavour.

I'm going to start off by FOS S7C. Based on yesterday for sheeping Leehar. I don't think its vote worthy but its a starting place.

Well, at this point, flying blind as we are...I'm getting bored...

So VOTE Some7hingCLEVER

so for following blind you vote me. but your doing the same. and your getting bored? so your gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOUR BORED. if your bored be replaced at least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...your bored

Vote Something Clever
Continuing from yesterday, and at least there seems to be a bandwagon forming, so it's something to go for.

@LSU, was the number thing to do with the vote count?

ok so you vote me for bandwagoning? but you do the same? does this make sense to anyone?

Aye, Vote S7C

I'm glad I didn't have to bring up the sheep part, because that is what I was discussing with Doom, S7C is a sheep in this entire game. He's contributed nothing besides restating or quoting things. He doesn't have his own opinion.

Yes, LSU, I wanted information, we were getting no where D1 and I for one wanted to go somewhere.

agreed but i also disagree

agree- i have been not contributing so much to the game. but neither have half the other people. i also agree that i follow bandwagons. its what i do. i do it to progress the game. notice i dont stay on them long at all. mainly when they defend themselves. i will wait till they defend then i will back off to see what the other has to say. my vote is like..incentive..i want them to give it there best shot at defense and convince me to back off. thats all

disagree- that i dont have my own opinion this is wrong cause i sure as heck do. in my post i state my opinion. so what if its the same as other people. thats not scummy thats called case made opinion made. do you know what i mean?

if someone was running for president or any office were votes are needed and they say dannnng im voting this guy cause blah blah blah does that mean i cant say oh ok well i cant vote for him cause that opinion is taken sorry. no it makes zero sense to vote someone because there opinion is the same as another mans.

fastposted.
yes i remember. but to do what i did and vote me for it is hypocrytical

[shieldgenerator7]

ok, you defended yourself. UNVOTE

[Some7hingCLEVER]

ok, you defended yourself. UNVOTE

lol i hope your not implying your vote was on me!

[everywhere116]

I just had a Philosoraptor moment. Could the bandwagon on Clever for being sheepish itself be a sheepish manuever?

[Some7hingCLEVER]

I just had a Philosoraptor moment. Could the bandwagon on Clever for being sheepish itself be a sheepish manuever?

....look at that huge post i just wrote...then answer

[edocsil]

I just had a Philosoraptor moment. Could the bandwagon on Clever for being sheepish itself be a sheepish manuever?

I was thinking the same while i tried to consider where to place my vote. Something short circuited and all I got out was, "Does not compute."

[betiko]

i wonder if it's the same attacker that missed his target on night 1&2....
too bad we can't hear from cowboyz, but my guess is that he didn't do anything on night 1. my intuition is that the SK is the one that missed both nights and the mafia did both kills?

also, why would they target cowboyz? i think it could be interesting to look back at what he said or voted for; might find stuff that mafia found dangerous for themselves.

A lot of you I think are confusing the suits. Smith(sk), aka dark suit 2 has killed twice. The agents(scum) aka dark suit 1 have failed to kill twice. White suit (seraph) was the first target for the agents, but there is nothing to explicitly suggest that they chose the same target again.

how would you know that? what possible evidence in saf's scenes can make you come up with those conclusions?

The fact the 1st attacker was disappointed again implies he is the same person that the doc stopped night 1.

The fact that the 2nd attacker used the term inevitable implies he is agent smith (who many people think would be SK). Since attacker 1 has missed twice, smith must be responsible for killing both freezie and cowboyz.

I do agree that cowboyz didn't target anybody either night.

Betiko, I hope you get this. I am 100% in agreement with chuck here

was "it"s inevitable" smith's catch phrase in the movie? if so i fully agree with the flavour analysis, if not, i don't see how we could differenciate the normal agents from smith..
anyway, do you think that for game ballance it's very hard for the mafia to perform kills or is it just that we got lucky?
could the scum have targeted twice the same guy seeing he was over protected on night 1, therefore an important power role?

[thechuck51]

I think we should look back at who was NK'd and see who they were suspicious of to determine who we should take a closer look at:

Freezie was voting Dazza

Hippo is dropping bombs everywhere. In all his games. I'll take your reason: '' Unfortunatly, TheHippo's play fits his meta perfectly''

What's good for one should be good for the other. Anyway, just a note.

TheHippo's case on betiko/Dazza/Spart was, at best, ridiculous. Dazza himself aknowledges that. However, it seems to me that he went over-defensive very quickly with no pressure, at all.

Unvote

Vote: Dazza for, what seems to be, over-reacting on nothing.

Since we haven't heard from Dazza since May 4th...

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

I think we should start there. vote Dazza

[thechuck51]

was "it"s inevitable" smith's catch phrase in the movie? if so i fully agree with the flavour analysis, if not, i don't see how we could differenciate the normal agents from smith..
anyway, do you think that for game ballance it's very hard for the mafia to perform kills or is it just that we got lucky?
could the scum have targeted twice the same guy seeing he was over protected on night 1, therefore an important power role?

while i don't think it was his catchphrase he did use the term frequently. courtesy of imdb:

Agent Smith: You hear that Mr. Anderson?... That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of your death... Goodbye, Mr. Anderson...
Neo: My name... is Neo.
---
Neo: What do you want?
Bane (who is actually Agent Smith): I want what you want... Yes. That's it, Mr. Anderson. Look past the flesh. Look through the soft gelatin of these dull cow eyes and see your enemy!
Neo: ...No.
Bane: Oh yes, Mr. Anderson.
Neo: It can't be...
Bane: There's nowhere I can't go. There's nowhere I won't find you.
Neo: It's impossible...!
Bane: Not impossible. Inevitable. Goodbye, Mr. Anderson.
---
Agent Smith: Get away from me!
Neo: What are you afraid of?
Agent Smith: It's a trick.
Neo: You were right Smith. You're always right. It was inevitable.
---
[after Neo has just defeated three Agents]
Agent Smith: That went as expected...
Agent Smith Clone: Yes.
Agent Smith: It's all happening exactly as before...
Agent Smith Clone: Well, not exactly...
[Agent Smith Clone smiles]

Agent Smith: [echoing] It is inevitable.

[MoB Deadly]

The shortest clip I could find. He usually says "it's inevitable", but this clip is good enough to prove the point.

Caution: Movie spoilers in this clip.



As for the Clever Case. I need to personally review it. I would be doing the same thing if I hopped on this BW without doing the research.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

clever(4)- doom, neb, leehar, jak

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Note: vodean has not joined the game. I am currently not looking for a replacement.

[Nebuchadnezer]

oh damn i missed a whole page.

I've already contributed my thoughts on flavour.

I'm going to start off by FOS S7C. Based on yesterday for sheeping Leehar. I don't think its vote worthy but its a starting place.

Well, at this point, flying blind as we are...I'm getting bored...

So VOTE Some7hingCLEVER

so for following blind you vote me. but your doing the same. and your getting bored? so your gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOUR BORED. if your bored be replaced at least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...your bored

Well, yes. Quite honestly, I have no clue as to who is town and who isn't. I feel our power roles have not gotten anything useful in two nights. I feel that if you were the one protected on night one, or bus driven on night one, or whatever happened on night two, that someone will say that you are probably clear, and that it's a crap case. Keeping our power roles "safe" has cost us our vigilante and our watcher, and we've gotten lucky on two other kills. This is going terribly for town. I'm also not especially enamored with your soft claim of a power role here...

I guess the other option is that I'm an idiot. (which I'll admit is an entirely plausible option)

[edocsil]

oh damn i missed a whole page.

I've already contributed my thoughts on flavour.

I'm going to start off by FOS S7C. Based on yesterday for sheeping Leehar. I don't think its vote worthy but its a starting place.

Well, at this point, flying blind as we are...I'm getting bored...

So VOTE Some7hingCLEVER

so for following blind you vote me. but your doing the same. and your getting bored? so your gonna POSSIBLY out a power role cause...YOUR BORED. if your bored be replaced at least try to care and show consideration instead of throwing your vote around cause...your bored

Well, yes. Quite honestly, I have no clue as to who is town and who isn't. I feel our power roles have not gotten anything useful in two nights. I feel that if you were the one protected on night one, or bus driven on night one, or whatever happened on night two, that someone will say that you are probably clear, and that it's a crap case. Keeping our power roles "safe" has cost us our vigilante and our watcher, and we've gotten lucky on two other kills. This is going terribly for town. I'm also not especially enamored with your soft claim of a power role here...

I guess the other option is that I'm an idiot. (which I'll admit is an entirely plausible option)

Power roles besides cops don't ever have info by D3 unless the town is insanely lucky.

[thehippo8]

Okay ... So I've been busy.

I created this chart ...

Click image to enlarge.

Based on this info ...

Spoiler

s7c (#1) & LSU (#1)

Spart votes chuck day 1 page 7 for getting serious in jokevote stage

Jak says hunt the inactives day 1 page 8

Edoc points out Jak is scummy for his attempted mislynch day 1 page 12

Betico wants to lynch inactives (take pressure off Jak) day 1 page 13

SG7 gives thumbs up to chuck for trying to create a case but then slaps him for basing it on the jokevote state day 1 page 13

Cowboyz slaps betico for saying something useful day 1 page 13

Neb votes himself to get things going day 1 page 14

I point out Roussallier is submarining day 1 page 15

Betico gets onboard day 1 page 16

Mob asks for IB and Rossalier to get prodded day 1 page 17

Neb votes rossallier day 1 page 17

Mob votes neb day 1 page 17

Everywhere agrees with Mob day 1 page 18

IB responds to prod day 1 page 18

Leehar votes IB day 1 page 19

S7C replaces rossalier day 1 page 19

Neb & Dazza wants to vote for inactives day 1 page 19

Crazy votes neb day 1 page 19 and repeats that on day 20

Mob agrees with crazy and votes neb day 1 page 20

Edoc follows suit day 1 page 20

At that point Neb is on L2 ... Neb(11)- Skillfu, eldario, spart, yoshi, everywhere, Neb, sg7, dazza, mob, edoc, IB

Neb unvotes himself and S7C jumps on day 1 page 20

Neb claims day 1 page 20

I am Tank. Vanilla Townie. I have nothing special to do during the night, so I'm trying to keep myself interested by stirring the pot. And if I get lynched, who cares? Fortunately, my ploy worked, and we actually have some activity to go off of now. My two high suspects are edocsil and MoB Deadly for trying to vote for me with some "reasons" as to why I deserved the vote. However, their reasons are flimsy at best...and just plain stupid at worst. But, they felt they had to give reasons, so that they didn't just look like blatant bandwagoners...right?

I prod Edoc and get the bash day 1 page 21

Jak votes Neb day 1 page 21

Freezie tries to look clever by adding suspicion on neb day 1 page 21

Doom unvotes day 1 page 22

Soundman decides to have a go at me (no real reason) day 1 page 23

Betico goes for IB for intentionally submarining day 1 page 23

I follow suit day 1 page 23

Leehar unvotes but wants to go for an inactive day 1 page 23

Jonty attacks me for having flippers day 1 page 23

Leehar slaps jonty day 1 page 24

Spart unvotes day 1 page 24

Jak and IB go back to Neb day 1 page 24

IB backs off and at this point we still have on Neb Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc day 1 page 25

Neb and Leehar bicker and Jak gets philosophical and doesn't want Leehar, IB, Jak or Eldario lynched but makes comment about them anyway day 1 page 26

Dazza and IB attack Jak day 1 page 26

Betico gets onboard day 1 page 27

Neb goes for Jak day 1 page 27

Freezie agrees but doesn't vote day 1 page 27

I and Everywhere vote jak day 1 page 27

Doom agrees but doesn't vote - points finger at IB, Neb, me and everywhere day 1 page 28

Edoc agrees with Doom day 1 page 28

Cowboyz also doesn't like the case on Jak but likes the one on IB but doesn't vote day 1 page 28

IB responds but adds nothing day 1 page 28

Neb points the finger at Spart and Eldario day 1 page 28

DJ & SG7 vote for Jak day 1 page 29

Jonty & Spart vote for Jak day 1 page 30

Edoc notes that Neb was let off the hook and Fos' the VT claim and bemoans Jak's votes but doesn't vote himself day 1 page 30

Betico slaps Edoc for being weird day 1 page 30

Dazza slaps Betico page day 1 page 30

Chuck votes jak day 1 page 30

Doom claims mason with Jak day 1 page 30

Lot's of unvoting - Doom votes me day 1 page 31

I state my first attempt at analysis re Betico, Dazza and Spart day 1 page 31

Sparks fly - Dazza is upset, SG7 and Edoc disagre with me, Betico unvotes and laughs at me, SG7 agrees again and Dazza votes for me day 1 page 31

Jak confirms he is masoned with Doom and a VT with no special powers day 1 page 32

Lots of unvoting, cowboyz takes an interest in me but doesn't vote day 1 page 32

IB notes skill is inavtive and wants him prodded day 1 page 33

Soundman goes into specifics on my little case and Fos' me but no vote day 1 page 33

S7C does an overview focussing on inactivity day 1 page 34

Some discussion followed by a case by S7C on jonty but no vote day 1 page 34

Ignoring that, Neb brings a case on Aldario also no vote day 1 page 34

Everywhere notes the lack of voting by the bringers of cases day 1 page 34

Neb puts his money on the line and votes Aldario day 1 page 34

Doom ignores anything and Fos' but doesn't vote me day 1 page 34

Cowboyz ignores everything but agrees with Doom and votes me day 1 page 34

Everywhere likes the case on me but doesn't want to pursue it without more explanation (ie will BW but can't be bothered making a case - as there isn't one) day 1 page 35

There is a prod and everyone starts thinking about the inactives day 1 page 35

Mob looks back and considers that the cases against me and jonty were based on play but the case on me was crap (how perceptive!) but the case on jonty deserved pursuing day 1 page 35

I reiterate concern about Betico but no-one cares day 1 page 35

SG7 thinks I'm full of it but votes Aldario as he wants him more active (no other reason) day 1 page 35

Dazza wants me to talk about my case some more day 1 page 35

Doom, SG7 and s7c also want to hear more from me day 1 page 36

Neb pops some pressure on me day 1 page 37

I back off and unvote day 1 page 37

We are back to inactives and Jak and Mob go for Eldario day 1 page 37

Freezie goes for dazza day 1 page 37

Skill points out that Eldario is away at that point day 1 page 37

Eldario is back day 1 page 38

s7c concentrates on inactives again day 1 page 38

dazza wigs out day 1 page 38

s7c apologises for attacking dazza day 1 page 39

Cowboyz continues his fascination with me but then settles on the inactives question day 1 page 39

Leehar attacks s7c day 1 page 39

Dj votes for Eldario day 1 page 39

Mob and Betico build pressure on Eldario day 1 page 40

Chuck attacks me day 1 page 40

Freezie isn't attacking dazza but then pursues an attack (without voting) on me day 1 page 40

Neb agrees that I've not been particularly townish and wants a claim from me or Elfdario day 1 page 40

Doom and Jak vote for Eldario day 1 page 40

Freezie objects to the vote on Eldario day 1 page 40

Vote count at that point is eldario(8)- neb, shield, hippo, everywhere, djfireside, betiko, doomyoshi, jak111 day 1 page 41

IB and Mob vote Eldario day 1 page 41

Soundman wants to vote for me but doesn't day 1 page 41

Dazza unvotes day 1 page 41

s7c wants to vote for Eldario but doesn't day 1 page 41

Eldario claims day 1 page 41

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

Some prevarication and s7c unvotes (but hadn't voted!) day 1 page 41

Jonty unvotes day 1 page 42

Cowboyz, Betico and everywhere prevaricate but don't unvote day 1 page 42

Betico bases his Fos on Eldario (over Neb) as being based on a feeling (the point he was criticising me about) day 1 page 42

Eldario responds to the claim against him day 1 page 42

Leehar buys that and suggests skill is inactive day 1 page 42

Everywhere reminds Leehar skill is still away day 1 page 42

Leehar and Jak unvote day 1 page 42

Neb unvotes day 1 page 43

At this point voting are eldario(10)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, betiko, doom, IB, Mob, clever, jonty day 1 page 44

Cowboyz goes for me again day 1 page 44

Neb is not impressed with Cowboyz day 1 page 44

Chuck votes Eldario day 1 page 44

Betico and dazza vote for me day 1 page 44

I see little purposes in delaying more nonsense and claim day 1 page 44

Well, I see no point in waiting for more votes, as I am not a power role and also a VT. My vote stays on Eldario as I don't accept his claim. I think it's interesting who is gunning for me though!!

I also claim Zee day 1 page 44

Dazza, Jonty and Betico are still gunning for me day 1 page 45

Leehar remains unimpressed with votes on me day 1 page 45

Eldario gets into the BW by voting on me day 1 page 45

So does, Neb, s7c and Mob day 1 page 45

Again Leehar points out the stupidity of that day 1 page 45

Soundman slaps Leehar day 1 page 46

Votes at this point: hippo(8)- sound, cowboyz, betiko, dazza, eldario, neb, clever, mob and eldario(8)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, doom, IB, jonty, chuck day 1 page 46

Everywhere votes me day 1 page 46

Leehar reminds evryone that it's Eldario that is inactive and the claim against me is just on flippers day 1 page 46

I explain myself day 1 page 46

s7c accepts reality and unvotes from me, returning his vote to Eldario day 1 page 46

Chuck does some researhc and realises my claim stacks up day 1 page 46

IB, soundman and Neb all back off from me day 1 page 47

Eldario falls on his sword day 1 page 47

Neb votes for Eldario day 1 page 48

Everywhere votes for Eldario day 1 page 48

Inexplicably, Doom votes for me day 1 page 48

s7c slaps Doom day 1 page 48

The votes at this point hippo(6)- cowboyz, betiko, dazza, eldario, mob, doom and eldario(10)- shield, hippo, DJ, IB, jonty, chuck, clever, jak, neb, everywhere day 1 page 48

Neb re-reads and votes Freezie day 1 page 48

Betico is unimpressed with Neb and explains why he is still on me but will flip to Eldario if he wants day 1 page 49

Dazza, Doom and s7c slap Betico day 1 page 49

pmc votes Eldario day 1 page 49

Betico, jonty and Neb give up on me and vote Eldario day 1 page 49

eldario, Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie has been lynched! day 1 page 50!!!

LSU #2 replaces crazymilkshakes day 1 page 50

DAY TWO

freezie, Morpheus, Town Watcher has been killed! day 2 page 51

Betico is sensitive to Neb's query day 2 page 51

Jonty votes Neb day 2 page 52

Betico votes Ned day 2 page 52

Mob adds pressure to Neb day 2 page 53

Skill votes Chuck day 2 page 53

Jonty slaps Chuck and Chuck unvotes day 2 page 53

Everywhere votes Neb day 2 page 53

pmc is confused by the BW day 2 page 53

Leehar returns to inactivity and votes sound day 2 page 53

Jak re inactives and odd statements resulting in Fos'ing Neb, skill and dj day 2 page 54

s7c wants to go for inactives and so votes sound day 2 page 54

Cowboyz wants to hear from inactives, particularly doom day 2 page 54

DJ is not happy with Neb, sound and Skill and Fos' skill day 2 page 54

pmc warns against puffery day 2 page 54

s7c and betico unvotes day 2 page 54

jonty unvotes and Fos' s7c and Jak day 2 page 55

s7c slaps jonty and jonty apologises day 2 page 55

Jak Fos' s7c day 2 page 55

Doom finds the case on soundman interesting day 2 page 56

chuck and betico find the case on soundman slim day 2 page 56

Neb is not happy with jonty, betico and Mob but doesn't vote then Fos' everywhere day 2 page 56

Neb fos' clever day 2 page 57

Leehar slaps Neb day 2 page 57

Doom votes soundman and Fos' clever day 2 page 57

Jak votes sound day 2 page 57

betico is happy with me but wants to hear from lsu, sg7 and ghostly and wants them prodded day 2 page 57

I vote soundman and fos clever day 2 page 57

jonty fos' s7c (sheep) and Neb (redundancy) day 2 page 57

pmc votes clever and is not happy with Neb day 2 page 57

dj is not happy with Neb and soundman and Fos' clever day 2 page 58

s7c apologises day 2 page 58

sound attacks me, dazza, edoc and skill and then votes skill day 2 page 58

neb asks pmc to explain his list day 2 page 58

betico agrees with soundman and votes skill day 2 page 58

jonty and everywhere votes skill day 2 page 58

doom wants to hear from skill so doesn't vote day 2 page 58

I vote skill day 2 page 58

edoc, chuck, coqboyz and dj vote skill day 2 page 59

leehar is surprised at the bw and doesn't vote day 2 page 59

betico Fos' sg7, s7c and shostly and wants to hear from skill day 2 page 59

sg7 slaps betico day 2 page 59

at this point the count is skill(9)- sound, betiko, jonty, everywhere, hippo, edoc, chuck, cowboyz, dj day 2 page 59

IB votes skill and Jak unvotes (but says he'll revote) day 2 page 60

leehar unvotes sound day 2 page 60

sound and dj want skill prodded (but don't take off their votes) day 2 page 61

Jak votes skill day 2 page 61

Leehar Fos' Jak for not waiting day 2 page 61

Betico unvotes day 2 page 61

Skill is prodded and the vote count is skill(10)- sound, jonty, everywhere, hippo, edoc, chuck, cowboyz, dj, IB, jak day 2 page 62

Jonty Fos' Jak for putting skill at L1 but doesn't unvote day 2 page 62

skill asks to be replaced day 2 page 62

betico asks skill to at least claim first day 2 page 62

sound is happy to just lynch skill day 2 page 62

pmc votes skill day 2 page 62

sg7 wants skill to claim day 2 page 62

Leehar slaps pmc for L1ing skill day 2 page 62

Jak protests at the delay day 2 page 63

Doom agrees and hammers skill day 2 page 63

I Fos Leehar (completely missing what he was saying) day 2 page 63

Betico bemoans the lack of claim (a bit late now!) day 2 page 63

jakslaps betico day 2 page 63

s7c says ghostly is back and reading day 2 page 63

skillfusniper33, Link, Vanilla Townie has been lynched! day 2 page 64

lsu claims his computer is fixed day 2 page 64

cowboyz, Captain Mifune, Town Vigilante, has been killed! night 2 page 64

I don't claim to have picked everything up, but it makes for interesting reading.

The Chart hopefully doesn't miss anything important. The vote column is votes on, note that it is chronological and doesn't add votes off hence the apparent double-ups. Also the Fos column is based not just on direct Fos but also indirect Fos. Note Leehar generally Foses everyone on some votes ... hence the long list.

Some brief observations ...

First thing, I apologise to you Leehar. I missed the point of your posts ... every one of them. Obviously you know something the rest of us dunderheads don't and we need to listen to you.

Secondly, there are some interesting connections. Like Jonty tagging along with certain people.

Thirdly, good and bad alike, y'all picked up on my erratic play. But there are some interesting differences.

Anyway, having compiled this I am tired and will set out some further observations when my eyes re-focus!

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Okay ... So I've been busy.

I created this chart ...

Click image to enlarge.

Based on this info ...

Spoiler

s7c (#1) & LSU (#1)

Spart votes chuck day 1 page 7 for getting serious in jokevote stage

Jak says hunt the inactives day 1 page 8

Edoc points out Jak is scummy for his attempted mislynch day 1 page 12

Betico wants to lynch inactives (take pressure off Jak) day 1 page 13

SG7 gives thumbs up to chuck for trying to create a case but then slaps him for basing it on the jokevote state day 1 page 13

Cowboyz slaps betico for saying something useful day 1 page 13

Neb votes himself to get things going day 1 page 14

I point out Roussallier is submarining day 1 page 15

Betico gets onboard day 1 page 16

Mob asks for IB and Rossalier to get prodded day 1 page 17

Neb votes rossallier day 1 page 17

Mob votes neb day 1 page 17

Everywhere agrees with Mob day 1 page 18

IB responds to prod day 1 page 18

Leehar votes IB day 1 page 19

S7C replaces rossalier day 1 page 19

Neb & Dazza wants to vote for inactives day 1 page 19

Crazy votes neb day 1 page 19 and repeats that on day 20

Mob agrees with crazy and votes neb day 1 page 20

Edoc follows suit day 1 page 20

At that point Neb is on L2 ... Neb(11)- Skillfu, eldario, spart, yoshi, everywhere, Neb, sg7, dazza, mob, edoc, IB

Neb unvotes himself and S7C jumps on day 1 page 20

Neb claims day 1 page 20

I am Tank. Vanilla Townie. I have nothing special to do during the night, so I'm trying to keep myself interested by stirring the pot. And if I get lynched, who cares? Fortunately, my ploy worked, and we actually have some activity to go off of now. My two high suspects are edocsil and MoB Deadly for trying to vote for me with some "reasons" as to why I deserved the vote. However, their reasons are flimsy at best...and just plain stupid at worst. But, they felt they had to give reasons, so that they didn't just look like blatant bandwagoners...right?

I prod Edoc and get the bash day 1 page 21

Jak votes Neb day 1 page 21

Freezie tries to look clever by adding suspicion on neb day 1 page 21

Doom unvotes day 1 page 22

Soundman decides to have a go at me (no real reason) day 1 page 23

Betico goes for IB for intentionally submarining day 1 page 23

I follow suit day 1 page 23

Leehar unvotes but wants to go for an inactive day 1 page 23

Jonty attacks me for having flippers day 1 page 23

Leehar slaps jonty day 1 page 24

Spart unvotes day 1 page 24

Jak and IB go back to Neb day 1 page 24

IB backs off and at this point we still have on Neb Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc day 1 page 25

Neb and Leehar bicker and Jak gets philosophical and doesn't want Leehar, IB, Jak or Eldario lynched but makes comment about them anyway day 1 page 26

Dazza and IB attack Jak day 1 page 26

Betico gets onboard day 1 page 27

Neb goes for Jak day 1 page 27

Freezie agrees but doesn't vote day 1 page 27

I and Everywhere vote jak day 1 page 27

Doom agrees but doesn't vote - points finger at IB, Neb, me and everywhere day 1 page 28

Edoc agrees with Doom day 1 page 28

Cowboyz also doesn't like the case on Jak but likes the one on IB but doesn't vote day 1 page 28

IB responds but adds nothing day 1 page 28

Neb points the finger at Spart and Eldario day 1 page 28

DJ & SG7 vote for Jak day 1 page 29

Jonty & Spart vote for Jak day 1 page 30

Edoc notes that Neb was let off the hook and Fos' the VT claim and bemoans Jak's votes but doesn't vote himself day 1 page 30

Betico slaps Edoc for being weird day 1 page 30

Dazza slaps Betico page day 1 page 30

Chuck votes jak day 1 page 30

Doom claims mason with Jak day 1 page 30

Lot's of unvoting - Doom votes me day 1 page 31

I state my first attempt at analysis re Betico, Dazza and Spart day 1 page 31

Sparks fly - Dazza is upset, SG7 and Edoc disagre with me, Betico unvotes and laughs at me, SG7 agrees again and Dazza votes for me day 1 page 31

Jak confirms he is masoned with Doom and a VT with no special powers day 1 page 32

Lots of unvoting, cowboyz takes an interest in me but doesn't vote day 1 page 32

IB notes skill is inavtive and wants him prodded day 1 page 33

Soundman goes into specifics on my little case and Fos' me but no vote day 1 page 33

S7C does an overview focussing on inactivity day 1 page 34

Some discussion followed by a case by S7C on jonty but no vote day 1 page 34

Ignoring that, Neb brings a case on Aldario also no vote day 1 page 34

Everywhere notes the lack of voting by the bringers of cases day 1 page 34

Neb puts his money on the line and votes Aldario day 1 page 34

Doom ignores anything and Fos' but doesn't vote me day 1 page 34

Cowboyz ignores everything but agrees with Doom and votes me day 1 page 34

Everywhere likes the case on me but doesn't want to pursue it without more explanation (ie will BW but can't be bothered making a case - as there isn't one) day 1 page 35

There is a prod and everyone starts thinking about the inactives day 1 page 35

Mob looks back and considers that the cases against me and jonty were based on play but the case on me was crap (how perceptive!) but the case on jonty deserved pursuing day 1 page 35

I reiterate concern about Betico but no-one cares day 1 page 35

SG7 thinks I'm full of it but votes Aldario as he wants him more active (no other reason) day 1 page 35

Dazza wants me to talk about my case some more day 1 page 35

Doom, SG7 and s7c also want to hear more from me day 1 page 36

Neb pops some pressure on me day 1 page 37

I back off and unvote day 1 page 37

We are back to inactives and Jak and Mob go for Eldario day 1 page 37

Freezie goes for dazza day 1 page 37

Skill points out that Eldario is away at that point day 1 page 37

Eldario is back day 1 page 38

s7c concentrates on inactives again day 1 page 38

dazza wigs out day 1 page 38

s7c apologises for attacking dazza day 1 page 39

Cowboyz continues his fascination with me but then settles on the inactives question day 1 page 39

Leehar attacks s7c day 1 page 39

Dj votes for Eldario day 1 page 39

Mob and Betico build pressure on Eldario day 1 page 40

Chuck attacks me day 1 page 40

Freezie isn't attacking dazza but then pursues an attack (without voting) on me day 1 page 40

Neb agrees that I've not been particularly townish and wants a claim from me or Elfdario day 1 page 40

Doom and Jak vote for Eldario day 1 page 40

Freezie objects to the vote on Eldario day 1 page 40

Vote count at that point is eldario(8)- neb, shield, hippo, everywhere, djfireside, betiko, doomyoshi, jak111 day 1 page 41

IB and Mob vote Eldario day 1 page 41

Soundman wants to vote for me but doesn't day 1 page 41

Dazza unvotes day 1 page 41

s7c wants to vote for Eldario but doesn't day 1 page 41

Eldario claims day 1 page 41

I am Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie

Some prevarication and s7c unvotes (but hadn't voted!) day 1 page 41

Jonty unvotes day 1 page 42

Cowboyz, Betico and everywhere prevaricate but don't unvote day 1 page 42

Betico bases his Fos on Eldario (over Neb) as being based on a feeling (the point he was criticising me about) day 1 page 42

Eldario responds to the claim against him day 1 page 42

Leehar buys that and suggests skill is inactive day 1 page 42

Everywhere reminds Leehar skill is still away day 1 page 42

Leehar and Jak unvote day 1 page 42

Neb unvotes day 1 page 43

At this point voting are eldario(10)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, betiko, doom, IB, Mob, clever, jonty day 1 page 44

Cowboyz goes for me again day 1 page 44

Neb is not impressed with Cowboyz day 1 page 44

Chuck votes Eldario day 1 page 44

Betico and dazza vote for me day 1 page 44

I see little purposes in delaying more nonsense and claim day 1 page 44

Well, I see no point in waiting for more votes, as I am not a power role and also a VT. My vote stays on Eldario as I don't accept his claim. I think it's interesting who is gunning for me though!!

I also claim Zee day 1 page 44

Dazza, Jonty and Betico are still gunning for me day 1 page 45

Leehar remains unimpressed with votes on me day 1 page 45

Eldario gets into the BW by voting on me day 1 page 45

So does, Neb, s7c and Mob day 1 page 45

Again Leehar points out the stupidity of that day 1 page 45

Soundman slaps Leehar day 1 page 46

Votes at this point: hippo(8)- sound, cowboyz, betiko, dazza, eldario, neb, clever, mob and eldario(8)- shield, hippo, everywhere, DJ, doom, IB, jonty, chuck day 1 page 46

Everywhere votes me day 1 page 46

Leehar reminds evryone that it's Eldario that is inactive and the claim against me is just on flippers day 1 page 46

I explain myself day 1 page 46

s7c accepts reality and unvotes from me, returning his vote to Eldario day 1 page 46

Chuck does some researhc and realises my claim stacks up day 1 page 46

IB, soundman and Neb all back off from me day 1 page 47

Eldario falls on his sword day 1 page 47

Neb votes for Eldario day 1 page 48

Everywhere votes for Eldario day 1 page 48

Inexplicably, Doom votes for me day 1 page 48

s7c slaps Doom day 1 page 48

The votes at this point hippo(6)- cowboyz, betiko, dazza, eldario, mob, doom and eldario(10)- shield, hippo, DJ, IB, jonty, chuck, clever, jak, neb, everywhere day 1 page 48

Neb re-reads and votes Freezie day 1 page 48

Betico is unimpressed with Neb and explains why he is still on me but will flip to Eldario if he wants day 1 page 49

Dazza, Doom and s7c slap Betico day 1 page 49

pmc votes Eldario day 1 page 49

Betico, jonty and Neb give up on me and vote Eldario day 1 page 49

eldario, Commander Locke, Vanilla Townie has been lynched! day 1 page 50!!!

LSU #2 replaces crazymilkshakes day 1 page 50

DAY TWO

freezie, Morpheus, Town Watcher has been killed! day 2 page 51

Betico is sensitive to Neb's query day 2 page 51

Jonty votes Neb day 2 page 52

Betico votes Ned day 2 page 52

Mob adds pressure to Neb day 2 page 53

Skill votes Chuck day 2 page 53

Jonty slaps Chuck and Chuck unvotes day 2 page 53

Everywhere votes Neb day 2 page 53

pmc is confused by the BW day 2 page 53

Leehar returns to inactivity and votes sound day 2 page 53

Jak re inactives and odd statements resulting in Fos'ing Neb, skill and dj day 2 page 54

s7c wants to go for inactives and so votes sound day 2 page 54

Cowboyz wants to hear from inactives, particularly doom day 2 page 54

DJ is not happy with Neb, sound and Skill and Fos' skill day 2 page 54

pmc warns against puffery day 2 page 54

s7c and betico unvotes day 2 page 54

jonty unvotes and Fos' s7c and Jak day 2 page 55

s7c slaps jonty and jonty apologises day 2 page 55

Jak Fos' s7c day 2 page 55

Doom finds the case on soundman interesting day 2 page 56

chuck and betico find the case on soundman slim day 2 page 56

Neb is not happy with jonty, betico and Mob but doesn't vote then Fos' everywhere day 2 page 56

Neb fos' clever day 2 page 57

Leehar slaps Neb day 2 page 57

Doom votes soundman and Fos' clever day 2 page 57

Jak votes sound day 2 page 57

betico is happy with me but wants to hear from lsu, sg7 and ghostly and wants them prodded day 2 page 57

I vote soundman and fos clever day 2 page 57

jonty fos' s7c (sheep) and Neb (redundancy) day 2 page 57

pmc votes clever and is not happy with Neb day 2 page 57

dj is not happy with Neb and soundman and Fos' clever day 2 page 58

s7c apologises day 2 page 58

sound attacks me, dazza, edoc and skill and then votes skill day 2 page 58

neb asks pmc to explain his list day 2 page 58

betico agrees with soundman and votes skill day 2 page 58

jonty and everywhere votes skill day 2 page 58

doom wants to hear from skill so doesn't vote day 2 page 58

I vote skill day 2 page 58

edoc, chuck, coqboyz and dj vote skill day 2 page 59

leehar is surprised at the bw and doesn't vote day 2 page 59

betico Fos' sg7, s7c and shostly and wants to hear from skill day 2 page 59

sg7 slaps betico day 2 page 59

at this point the count is skill(9)- sound, betiko, jonty, everywhere, hippo, edoc, chuck, cowboyz, dj day 2 page 59

IB votes skill and Jak unvotes (but says he'll revote) day 2 page 60

leehar unvotes sound day 2 page 60

sound and dj want skill prodded (but don't take off their votes) day 2 page 61

Jak votes skill day 2 page 61

Leehar Fos' Jak for not waiting day 2 page 61

Betico unvotes day 2 page 61

Skill is prodded and the vote count is skill(10)- sound, jonty, everywhere, hippo, edoc, chuck, cowboyz, dj, IB, jak day 2 page 62

Jonty Fos' Jak for putting skill at L1 but doesn't unvote day 2 page 62

skill asks to be replaced day 2 page 62

betico asks skill to at least claim first day 2 page 62

sound is happy to just lynch skill day 2 page 62

pmc votes skill day 2 page 62

sg7 wants skill to claim day 2 page 62

Leehar slaps pmc for L1ing skill day 2 page 62

Jak protests at the delay day 2 page 63

Doom agrees and hammers skill day 2 page 63

I Fos Leehar (completely missing what he was saying) day 2 page 63

Betico bemoans the lack of claim (a bit late now!) day 2 page 63

jakslaps betico day 2 page 63

s7c says ghostly is back and reading day 2 page 63

skillfusniper33, Link, Vanilla Townie has been lynched! day 2 page 64

lsu claims his computer is fixed day 2 page 64

cowboyz, Captain Mifune, Town Vigilante, has been killed! night 2 page 64

I don't claim to have picked everything up, but it makes for interesting reading.

The Chart hopefully doesn't miss anything important. The vote column is votes on, note that it is chronological and doesn't add votes off hence the apparent double-ups. Also the Fos column is based not just on direct Fos but also indirect Fos. Note Leehar generally Foses everyone on some votes ... hence the long list.

Some brief observations ...

First thing, I apologise to you Leehar. I missed the point of your posts ... every one of them. Obviously you know something the rest of us dunderheads don't and we need to listen to you.

Secondly, there are some interesting connections. Like Jonty tagging along with certain people.

Thirdly, good and bad alike, y'all picked up on my erratic play. But there are some interesting differences.

Anyway, having compiled this I am tired and will set out some further observations when my eyes re-focus!

lol ya do i really have to read that?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Something Clever
Continuing from yesterday, and at least there seems to be a bandwagon forming, so it's something to go for.

@LSU, was the number thing to do with the vote count?

What do you mean by the number thing? On vote counts I used numbers to show how many votes were there.

[shieldgenerator7]

nice list, hippo. from that I can see that betiko and neb are tied with most votes, so I will SPLIT VOTE BETIKO, NEB (1/2 vote on betiko, 1/2 vote on neb)

Y U vote so much?

-SG7 ( )

[Djfireside]

Sorry back from hospital, Wife having twins and some complications happening. Will try to bring Ipad with me next time.

As for the flavor of the kill, I do have to agree that based on the summaries that Mafia has failed both nights and that Smith is more than likely the two kills just based on the statements. Since mafia has failed both times I have been going back through trying to read between the lines to pull anyone who would have information on them. I will put a FOS Dazza based on somethings that I read but based on clevers points and how he has been brought up both D2 and D3 after mafia had been stumped and quickly tossed back into the fray leaves me believing someone has something on them so I will cast my vote that way

Vote Clever

FP: SG7

Really? You are voting the most voted people? With any reason? Im kinda confused on that action and have to read back up but

[shieldgenerator7]

Sorry back from hospital, Wife having twins and some complications happening. Will try to bring Ipad with me next time.

As for the flavor of the kill, I do have to agree that based on the summaries that Mafia has failed both nights and that Smith is more than likely the two kills just based on the statements. Since mafia has failed both times I have been going back through trying to read between the lines to pull anyone who would have information on them. I will put a FOS Dazza based on somethings that I read but based on clevers points and how he has been brought up both D2 and D3 after mafia had been stumped and quickly tossed back into the fray leaves me believing someone has something on them so I will cast my vote that way

Vote Clever

FP: SG7

Really? You are voting the most voted people? With any reason? Im kinda confused on that action and have to read back up but

nice list, hippo. from that I can see that betiko and neb are tied with most votes, so I will SPLIT VOTE BETIKO, NEB (1/2 vote on betiko, 1/2 vote on neb)

Y U vote so much?

-SG7 ( )

oh, haha no. by "tied with most votes" I meant that they had voted the most times. But yeah, it was a joke

-SG7 ( )

[betiko]

nice list, hippo. from that I can see that betiko and neb are tied with most votes, so I will SPLIT VOTE BETIKO, NEB (1/2 vote on betiko, 1/2 vote on neb)

Y U vote so much?

-SG7 ( )

First, great job to hippo, and we were all complaining about his lack of contribution..

someone like ghostly that still didn't sow up, never voted, never fossed; basically is by far the most inactive in the game is still not showing up? FOS again!!

SG7, call it omgus all you want, but I have a weird feeling about you. I don't know, it's really nothing, and i didn't bring it up yet because i was waiting for other things from you:

crash.. lost our vig. we still have a fighting chance. not too keen on night flavor as I only watched the first movie.

It's nothing in particular, it was just the timing, quite a few pages after the scene and emphocizing on the lost vig after the flavour conversations caught my attention.. that made it sound like a bad actor. "ohh nooo this is too bad!! we lost our vig!!" it really sounded like someone trying too hard for me at that momentum of the game. Since you are always scummy in every single game and often scum, I like my odds going after you. also, like you think I vote too much, I'll just do you a favour and vote again, if you think that was a point.

vote SG7!!

[jonty125]

FOS SG7, for still joking and we're now in D3.

[edocsil]

FOS SG7, for still joking and we're now in D3.

^^^ I don't get why the joke now. It's too late in the game.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

On the reread up to page 49, it looks like town did make a logical decision on day 1 lynch even though it did turn up town.

Hippo still doesn't make sense

Freezie was trying to fly under the radar, but evidently got the attention of somebody at night seeing how he was n1 killed and actually was a power role.

Daza seemed a bit suspicious to me, but can't quite say why while several people at various points also though Jonty was being a bit of a sheep

[soundman]

Ghostly and Dazza are both on my radar. Ghostly last posted on the 15th asking a question and saying he's almost read up.

Guys I am read up just about. I have never seen the matrix though so I do have one question. Are the twins both good, both bad, or does one go against the other? I am just getting some background info.

Yet he hasn't said a thing since. You caught up yet, Ghostly? And to answer your question they were both bad.

Dazza hasn't posted since the 4th. That's thirteen days ago. Here's his last post from the beginning of Day Two.

Nope, hopefully someone got some info. A night action would be good for once v.v ~Is hated by all the mods~

Hmm, I wonder though, the first part of the scene says they got away, so either Doc saved him/her or killer was roleblocked.

Any ideas for a lead?

Could be a roleblock or a doc save. I can't really tell from the scene.

Other than this one post at the beginning of Day Two commenting on the scene he hasn't uttered a word. Vote Dazza.