Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[Symmetry]

Oh dear, we're back to the "You're not American, you wouldn't understand"

When it's true, it's true.

Seems like an easy out for a losing argument.

[Phatscotty]

Oh dear, we're back to the "You're not American, you wouldn't understand"

When it's true, it's true.

Seems like an easy out for a losing argument.

Nobody here uses the term white-Hispanic, and I have never heard it in my life.

Plus, the dude is Hispanic with black roots. There is no mystery here. you are trying to stretch shit. The media gave up the lie a long time ago. You should let it go too.

[Symmetry]

Oh dear, we're back to the "You're not American, you wouldn't understand"

When it's true, it's true.

Seems like an easy out for a losing argument.

Nobody here uses the term white-Hispanic, and I have never heard it in my life.

Plus, the dude is Hispanic with black roots. There is no mystery here. you are trying to stretch shit. The media gave up the lie a long time ago. You should let it go too.

Not really, but thanks for the response. Of course it amounts to little beyond the usual crap I've addressed before.

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

2) What's wrong with white-hispanic as a term? Are you genuinely arguing that any reference to the white part of his ethnic background is wrong, and that media outlets should solely refer to his hispanic ethnicity? It seems like you want Zimmerman to be pigeonholed, and to erase any kind of reference to him as white, or partly white.

3) I'm still a little baffled as to the media sources you think called him white, I may have missed them, but last time I asked, you could only come up with a youtube channel.

4) Why are you referring to a vast array of newspapers, tv channels, online news sites, youtube channels, and blogs as if they're all the same thing- "THE MEDIA"? Do you not see that it's kind of ridiculous to type a sentence like "The media gave up the lie a long time ago"? Does that not sound weird to you at all?

[Phatscotty]

And then there were three.

A third NBC employee has been fired from the network after yet another misleadingly edited George Zimmerman 911 tape surfaced from the Trayvon Martin shooting.

Lilia Luciano, a Miami-based correspondent, “is no longer working for the network,” TVNewser reports. Her firing follows the axing of an NBC producer who edited the original 911 call that caused so much controversy as well as a local NBC reporter, Jeff Burnside, who was found to have used a similarly-edited recording.

TVNewser explains what happened with the latest incident:

In a story for the “Today” show on March 20, Luciano used part of the George Zimmerman 911 call in which an entire phrase (italicized below) was taken from a later part of the conversation:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good or on drugs or something. He’s got his hand in his waistband. And he’s a black male.
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: Okay, we don’t need you to do that.

But here’s how the call really went:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.

NBC confirmed to Newser that Luciano is no longer with the network after having joined them a short 18 months ago from Univision. Her firing came after an internal investigation into the incident

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/third-e ... -surfaces/

[Neoteny]

THE MEDIA

[Phatscotty]

THE MEDIA

And here is the evidence that you joked about and disbelieved...

As cable TV networks go, MSNBC is one of the more frequently accused of bias. Granted, they don’t have an entire comedy show out for their blood the same way that Fox News does, but they still attract criticism. To their credit, their executives admit that some of that criticism is even true.

Exhibit A in this regard is MSNBC’s coverage of the Trayvon Martin case. Despite pushing the story very forcefully during the first two months that it became news (with Al Sharpton interviewing the grieving parents of the slain teen and Lawrence O’Donnell shouting insults and questions at an empty chair), now that new evidence is breaking that may lead to an acquittal of shooter George Zimmerman, MSNBC is behaving as though the story doesn’t exist. In fact, not a single one of its primetime anchors has covered the story at all since the release of the pro-Zimmerman evidence. Not Ed Schultz, not Lawrence O’Donnell, not even Al Sharpton.

Mediaite explains:

In March and April, MSNBC’s primetime hosts ran with nearly wall-to-wall coverage of the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin. They regularly suggested that the lack of national interest in the case was worthy of outrage. Last week, when an avalanche of new evidence favorable to George Zimmerman came to light, MSNBC’s primetime lineup didn’t just bury the story, they didn’t mention Martin or Zimmerman once the week that news broke according to media monitoring service TV Eyes.

[Phatscotty]

A medical report .... found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

Zimmerman has claimed self defense in what he described as a life and death struggle that Martin initiated by accosting him, punching him in the face, then repeatedly bashing his head into the pavement.

Also today, a trove of documents are being examined by lawyers for both the defense and prosecution as part of discovery in Zimmerman's trial

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 7Lys1KN6So

[bedub1]

A medical report .... found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

Zimmerman has claimed self defense in what he described as a life and death struggle that Martin initiated by accosting him, punching him in the face, then repeatedly bashing his head into the pavement.

Also today, a trove of documents are being examined by lawyers for both the defense and prosecution as part of discovery in Zimmerman's trial

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerm ... 7Lys1KN6So

67 cd's. I wonder what they show. What takes up so much space? Haven't they heard of a dvd burner?

[Iron Butterfly]

If I am a security guard at a store and I profile someone and follow them around does this give them grounds to attack me because they are angered at me following them?

Did Zimmerman shoot before or after his injuries? I doubt very much he shot before his injuries as it appears the shot was fatal.

[Phatscotty]

Well, some will tell you Zimmerman was out for blood, but waited until he was almost dead to pull out his gun

[bedub1]

Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head.

Sounds to me like the case will be dismissed before trial.

[Baron Von PWN]

If I am a security guard at a store and I profile someone and follow them around does this give them grounds to attack me because they are angered at me following them?

Did Zimmerman shoot before or after his injuries? I doubt very much he shot before his injuries as it appears the shot was fatal.

What's the evidence that Martin started the altercation?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. We've always known they got in a fight. All the medical records do is confirm that Martin gained the upper hand at some point.

What's in question is whether it's self defense or not. We don't know if Zimmerman started the altercation and then got a beat down, or if Zimmerman is telling the truth that Martin started it.

How the altercation played out is important in deciding whether it was self defense or not.

[saxitoxin]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

I have never heard anyone in Britain use the term "Asian-English" or "White-Asian" to refer to a person who is half-Pakistani and the use of a term like that would lead to a reasonable assumption of amphiboly.

Why is "Asian-English" not widely used? It's a fascinating etymological question but it seems a bit off-kilter to hysterically demand Scott accept responsibility for the evolution of the English language. I think I speak for the community when I express a rational desire to see the current level of crazy dialed back to about an 8 or 9 for a bit.

[thegreekdog]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

I have never heard anyone in Britain use the term "Asian-English" or "White-Asian" to refer to a person who is half-Pakistani and the use of a term like that would lead to a reasonable assumption of amphiboly.

Why is "Asian-English" not widely used? It's a fascinating etymological question but it seems a bit off-kilter to hysterically demand Scott accept responsibility for the evolution of the English language. I think I speak for the community when I express a rational desire to see the current level of crazy dialed back to about an 8 or 9 for a bit.

Barack Obama - 44th white president or 1st black president?

[Symmetry]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

I have never heard anyone in Britain use the term "Asian-English" or "White-Asian" to refer to a person who is half-Pakistani and the use of a term like that would lead to a reasonable assumption of amphiboly.

Why is "Asian-English" not widely used? It's a fascinating etymological question but it seems a bit off-kilter to hysterically demand Scott accept responsibility for the evolution of the English language. I think I speak for the community when I express a rational desire to see the current level of crazy dialed back to about an 8 or 9 for a bit.

Barack Obama - 44th white president or 1st black president?

Are you Scott? You realise that responding to you justifies Saxi's trolling? I'll respond anyway, as you'll never object to the troll. Obama's both. Kind of my point in the first place.

[natty dread]

GUYS

Why can't we just call everyone PEOPLE and NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR SKIN COLOUR

WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEANS!

[chang50]

GUYS

Why can't we just call everyone PEOPLE and NOT CARE ABOUT THEIR SKIN COLOUR

WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEANS!

We're all Africans by descent..

[saxitoxin]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

I have never heard anyone in Britain use the term "Asian-English" or "White-Asian" to refer to a person who is half-Pakistani and the use of a term like that would lead to a reasonable assumption of amphiboly.

Why is "Asian-English" not widely used? It's a fascinating etymological question but it seems a bit off-kilter to hysterically demand Scott accept responsibility for the evolution of the English language. I think I speak for the community when I express a rational desire to see the current level of crazy dialed back to about an 8 or 9 for a bit.

Barack Obama - 44th white president or 1st black president?

Are you Scott? You realise that responding to you justifies Saxi's trolling? I'll respond anyway, as you'll never object to the troll. Obama's both. Kind of my point in the first place.

Symmetry, I'm sorry you're extremely upset again, however, you should spend more energy responding to points than trying to play the role of Toto ... manic and - to date - futile attempts to sideline me by yelling at everyone I'm irrelevant. The more frantic your posts in this theme become - and they've grown ever more hysterical lately - the more cartoonish you appear. Don't you agree? I'm sure you do.

It bears noting that everyone already knows who is behind the curtain. Your wild-eyed pointing and exhortations for people to look at me have been accomplishing very little to improve the seriousness with which your comments are received by the community. You might either consider a different tactic or limit your posts to the Bigfoot and Alien Abduction threads. I hope you accept this friendly counsel in the spirit with which it is offered.

[Phatscotty]

Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head.

Sounds to me like the case will be dismissed before trial.

What I want to know is if the prosecutor who charged him with 2nd degree murder had knowledge of these medical reports.

[Phatscotty]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

The answer is George Zimmerman says he's Hispanic. The confusion exists because our government promotes people claiming minority status, and so do our universities.

Why is it right for someone who claims 1/32 Cherokee to fill out forms identifying themselves as Cherokee? Elizabeth Warren (running for Senate in Mass.) claimed she was Cherokee, so that she could get free lunches at Harvard University. Just another fantastic reason why the government and universities should lead by example and stop trying to centrally plan equality and fairness based on skin color and anything else.

It’s not known if Elizabeth Warren’s great-great-great grandparents had high cheekbones or not; what is known is that instead of being members of the Cherokee Nation, they were involved in rounding up the Cherokee and sending them down the road on the infamous Trail of Tears.

Michael Patrick Leahy did a little investigating into Elizabeth Warren’s famous “family lore” and found something rather startling. Not only Warren’s assertion that she is 1/32 Native American evidently fiction, the truth of her family lore is no doubt something that Warren and Massachusetts Democrats will be shedding their own tears over.

[thegreekdog]

1) Why is it wrong to refer to a guy who has a white parent and an hispanic parent as white, but right to refer to him as hispanic?

I have never heard anyone in Britain use the term "Asian-English" or "White-Asian" to refer to a person who is half-Pakistani and the use of a term like that would lead to a reasonable assumption of amphiboly.

Why is "Asian-English" not widely used? It's a fascinating etymological question but it seems a bit off-kilter to hysterically demand Scott accept responsibility for the evolution of the English language. I think I speak for the community when I express a rational desire to see the current level of crazy dialed back to about an 8 or 9 for a bit.

Barack Obama - 44th white president or 1st black president?

Are you Scott? You realise that responding to you justifies Saxi's trolling? I'll respond anyway, as you'll never object to the troll. Obama's both. Kind of my point in the first place.

I agree with you. My point, though, is that people will refer to someone by a particular race or color to suit their needs. So even though Barack Obama and George Zimmerman are both of mixed race, people refer to the president as the first black president and people refer to Zimmerman as being white. Why do you think that is?

[Baron Von PWN]

Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head.

Sounds to me like the case will be dismissed before trial.

What I want to know is if the prosecutor who charged him with 2nd degree murder had knowledge of these medical reports.

If a murderer sustains injuries while murdering someone does their murder become an act of self defense?

That Zimmerman was injured during his altercation with Martin doesn't prove one way or the other whether he was acting in self defense or not.

[Iron Butterfly]

Court records show George Zimmerman had a pair of black eyes, a nose fracture and two cuts to the back of his head.

Sounds to me like the case will be dismissed before trial.

What I want to know is if the prosecutor who charged him with 2nd degree murder had knowledge of these medical reports.

If a murderer sustains injuries while murdering someone does their murder become an act of self defense?

That Zimmerman was injured during his altercation with Martin doesn't prove one way or the other whether he was acting in self defense or not.

Your loaded statement is irrelevant and meaningless. You are not asking a question because you need an answer. Your question is designed to frame your point of view.

Murder is a premeditated intent to kill someone. If you can not understand that concept then you either are ignorant of what is needed to have rational discourse or are looking to cause further strife.

[Neoteny]

Perhaps looking up the definitions of first and second degree murder will be helpful here?

[patches70]

Perhaps looking up the definitions of first and second degree murder will be helpful here?

No need to look at the definition of first degree murder, Zimmerman is charged with second degree.

Second degree murder is defined by Florida as thus-

"The crime of Second Degree Murder occurs when a person commits either:
A depraved mind
or
Accomplice Felony murder"

Florida's definition of "a depraved mind" as thus-

"Murder with a Depraved Mind occurs when a person is killed, without any premeditated design, by an act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind showing no regard for human life."

The accomplice felony murder does not apply to Zimmerman. There was no other accomplice that killed Martin, Zimmerman killed Martin himself, thus, Zimmerman was not an accomplice to murder.


So, is that helpful? LOL