Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[jgordon1111]

as a matter of fact yes you did use it correct chap,good reference point to come back to with reasons that you did it.

No not amped up or mad, What I am trying to accomplish is to get everyone in here and play,to read and make choices based on what they themselves think.

@ safari,now that was out of character for you,way out and no I dont think you will get lynched as you well know,you calculated the risk and know the odds are you wont be,but it does try and make you look more townish. A claim would have been a better gambit if you were really serious though.

As for chuck I think he might have just got unlucky,still got to watch him though.

Doom very bad scum vibes from you.

And I gave a scenario of my own on vigging,but at the end I said to many things can go wrong a busdriver in the game could be one of them.

Dont be fooled a lynch is better than a vig.

What exactly does this paragraph mean to me? Allow me to explain.

"Hey safari, cool story bro, nice way to act townish but I still think you're scum. Why not claim needlessly so we can give mafia even more information."

If you think I'm scum jgordon, vote or FOS me. Show me exactly where you think I made a scumslip. You keep talking about playing things your way and how none of us know what we're doing. It's a lot easier to play the martyr and say "Oh well town doesn't know what they're doing". But I'm not about to claim just because you think it's some gambit because it isn't. I'm just tired of reading your posts and seeing every other line accusing half of us of skimming or being clueless or arrogant or whatever. I don't need to to come into the mafia forums and get this passive-aggressive bullshit. f*ck the win conditions, I'd rather die so I don't have to read another post questioning my intelligence.

Saf take a chill pill,my objective is to keep you talking and see if you make a mistake or to see if someone else who knows that you are a good mafia player jumps in and tries to run a BW on you for no reason or BS info.

I have not put A FOS or a vote on you because I am not sure your mafia at this point.

So take a breath and let the game continue.

Of course I dont play like a survivor they intend to win no matter what, I intend for town to win.

[safariguy5]

as a matter of fact yes you did use it correct chap,good reference point to come back to with reasons that you did it.

No not amped up or mad, What I am trying to accomplish is to get everyone in here and play,to read and make choices based on what they themselves think.

@ safari,now that was out of character for you,way out and no I dont think you will get lynched as you well know,you calculated the risk and know the odds are you wont be,but it does try and make you look more townish. A claim would have been a better gambit if you were really serious though.

As for chuck I think he might have just got unlucky,still got to watch him though.

Doom very bad scum vibes from you.

And I gave a scenario of my own on vigging,but at the end I said to many things can go wrong a busdriver in the game could be one of them.

Dont be fooled a lynch is better than a vig.

What exactly does this paragraph mean to me? Allow me to explain.

"Hey safari, cool story bro, nice way to act townish but I still think you're scum. Why not claim needlessly so we can give mafia even more information."

If you think I'm scum jgordon, vote or FOS me. Show me exactly where you think I made a scumslip. You keep talking about playing things your way and how none of us know what we're doing. It's a lot easier to play the martyr and say "Oh well town doesn't know what they're doing". But I'm not about to claim just because you think it's some gambit because it isn't. I'm just tired of reading your posts and seeing every other line accusing half of us of skimming or being clueless or arrogant or whatever. I don't need to to come into the mafia forums and get this passive-aggressive bullshit. f*ck the win conditions, I'd rather die so I don't have to read another post questioning my intelligence.

Saf take a chill pill,my objective is to keep you talking and see if you make a mistake or to see if someone else who knows that you are a good mafia player jumps in and tries to run a BW on you for no reason or BS info.

I have not put A FOS or a vote on you because I am not sure your mafia at this point.

So take a breath and let the game continue.

Of course I dont play like a survivor they intend to win no matter what, I intend for town to win.

Look jg, I appreciate the fact that you try very hard at this game, but keeping people talking is different from getting people P.O'ed. I've said it before, I'm trying to ignore you apparently calling out half of the players in this game as basically brainless twits, but realize that continued repetitions of that stance makes it increasingly difficult for me to ignore.

Can you use personal attacks to provoke a response? Yes. Have you provoked a response? You bet. Does that give you the information you need? I hope so. If you're going to use that tactic in every game you play, don't expect me to play many of them.

[shieldgenerator7]

#coolthethread

It seems things have the potential to heat up in here. Especially with what JG is saying. It might also have something to do with his avatar and sig, IDK. Anyway, at least he's active and posting stuff.

I find it interesting that saf made such a gambit of voting himself. It is noted for future reference. More comments later but I have to go now.

-SG7 ( )

[safariguy5]

#coolthethread

It seems things have the potential to heat up in here. Especially with what JG is saying. It might also have something to do with his avatar and sig, IDK. Anyway, at least he's active and posting stuff.

I find it interesting that saf made such a gambit of voting himself. It is noted for future reference. More comments later but I have to go now.

-SG7 ( )

What gambit??!! I'm trying to make a fucking point.

[jgordon1111]

#coolthethread

It seems things have the potential to heat up in here. Especially with what JG is saying. It might also have something to do with his avatar and sig, IDK. Anyway, at least he's active and posting stuff.

I find it interesting that saf made such a gambit of voting himself. It is noted for future reference. More comments later but I have to go now.

-SG7 ( )

What gambit??!! I'm trying to make a fucking point.

Saf you and some others once told me its a game dont take it personal or personally. And it was not meant to insult you personally,what I did was to try and bring everyone in here to play. And to get responses from them and see the reactions. Alot of the time you get an idea where someone stands just from those particular reactions.


What I am noting most right now are the non reactions.

[pmchugh]

Someone said I went quiet its true, I had two exams I hadn't bothered studying for the last two days and just ran an exhausting 9 miles

Anyway I will catch up a bit.

My reason for FOSing PMC is for the concept of NKing a survivor. I understand the difference between the two situations he described, but the way he presented it made is sound as tho vigging the survivor would change the "3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town" into: "3 mafia, 4 town", when in reality it changes it into "3 mafia, 3 town", which is obv a scum win.

You completely misquoted my example, it is "3 mafia, 1 survivor and 4 town" versus "3 mafia 4 town". One is a win for mafia, the other isn't.

So what's the diff between vigging and lynching the survivor? Lynching is more calculated and town usually gains more info, whereas if we vigged him it would waste a town power role's night action and it's the decision of jsut one person.

Its not a waste of a town power role because normally vigs should NOT shoot night 1.

Vigging him would be killing him just to kill him b/c he's a survivor. Lynching would be more of getting info from his BW and killing him b/c his claim and actions don't line up.

We would reach a lynch anyway, and potentially get scum and lots of other information. Info from lynch + vig >= info from lynch.

I am talking from a outside view here I am neither town nor mafia,I knew I was done when I tried to draw attention away from the Doc.

Then why do it? Why claim under little pressure as well? Your play is bizarre for a survivor tbh.

my list of possible scum

Safari guy,you are predictable. You cant help it for some reason, thats why I brought up the meta gaming against you earlier. and the fact thats how I killed you N3 in that game.

Doom is second for the obvious reasons.

And of course their is chuck who finally came in and said he was to busy with other games to be really involved with this one.

This and matrix are my first mafia games. Trying to stay current in both has been very difficult for me. If you look in the matrix thread, I was inactive for a couple of days in there as well. I am not neglecting one game for the other.

Tonight I have been able to catch up and I've come to a logical conclusion. A lynch of non-town is good. a survivor is non-town. you claim to be a survivor. therefore a lynch of you is good.

vote jgordon

At least now you are voting of your own accord, for your own reason. Good keep playing like that dont be lead because others tell you they know more.
you see something you dont like or trust,or you have a valid reason FOS or vote it.

Second game and you are learning.

Predictability may not be a bad thing. If I play the same in every game, then it's more difficult to figure out alignment from game to game.

How about this, you're so certain I'm scum, why don't you put your money where your mouth is? I'll volunteer to take the lynch on the condition that you be lynched tomorrow if I turn up town. I'll say it right now, I'm town.

You claim to know a lot about mafia jgordon, you need to realize your "scum sense" or whatever is not as good as you think it is. Also, attacking me for voting you is about as blatant an OMGUS as you can get.

But hey, as you say, it's all part of the learning process right? Little humble pie never hurt anyone. I'll even help you out.

unvote vote safariguy5

I find this whole back and forth rather bizarre as well. Why are you so sure he is scum safari?

I was going to comment on jgordons watcher scenarios which were deeply flawed and point out there are other threats (e.g. busdriver).. but it appears chap beat me to it and used it to fos me:

Also, I really, really likes SG7's post when he came back into the game. Go check it out again. Something it opened my eyes to was using a vig on jgordon. As / has already mentioned, the tone of the game suggests that there is a likely a mafia busdriver. Using a vig for a NK is a bad idea because with a mafia busdriver, you will essentially give the mafia two kills at night. The one person who brought it up and pushed for it was pmc. As a self proclaimed veteran, he should have known better and also known what he was doing. My thought: he did know. FOS pmc.

However I would still argue that this scenario is very unlikely, mafia busdriver is well known as one of the most unbalanced roles in the game. While it may be a possibility it is a lot rarer than you make out, maybe 1 in 15 games that I have played in (usually fircoal games) and I don't buy the way / read the mod. If I am wrong then feel free to bring this back up, but I still amn't too concerned by it.

My vote will stay on Doom. Yes, I agreed with what you had to say about you fully exposing jak's claim. However, that doesn't mean you can't be pressured. As stated, at that time, I didn't see anyone else compelling and as I am still looking for scum, I went ahead and pressured someone for information, not for a lynch. My vote will stay until you claim. I think it's odd that pmc advocates you not claiming after previously stating that pressuring someone for claiming was good. FOS pmc again.

I have never said this. Claims are not the point of BWs- for the billionth time.

On the jgordon wagon I agree with new guy and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few scum lurking on there and trying to go for the easy lynch. I have a few other thoughts brewing but they are not quite there and I don't want to talk about too many things in one post or people will ignore parts.

[shieldgenerator7]

Sorry, PMC, I did misquote you. I stil don't understand how 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 4 town is a scum win. If the survivor sides with mafia, we have a no lynch situation (assuming town knows who each other are at this point), whereas if the survivor sides with town, it's 5 vs. 3 and also a town win. I don't see how the scenario you described is a definite scum win

[pmchugh]

Sorry, PMC, I did misquote you. I stil don't understand how 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 4 town is a scum win. If the survivor sides with mafia, we have a no lynch situation (assuming town knows who each other are at this point), whereas if the survivor sides with town, it's 5 vs. 3 and also a town win. I don't see how the scenario you described is a definite scum win

Mafia only need match the numbers of town to win. Granted, with a survivor the mod may let it continue (I would like clearer rules set out somewhere about end games) but all they would have to do is no lynch + NK and game is over.

[shieldgenerator7]

Sorry, PMC, I did misquote you. I stil don't understand how 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 4 town is a scum win. If the survivor sides with mafia, we have a no lynch situation (assuming town knows who each other are at this point), whereas if the survivor sides with town, it's 5 vs. 3 and also a town win. I don't see how the scenario you described is a definite scum win

Mafia only need match the numbers of town to win. Granted, with a survivor the mod may let it continue (I would like clearer rules set out somewhere about end games) but all they would have to do is no lynch + NK and game is over.

True, but if the survivor sides with town and they lynch mafia the next day the numbers would be 2 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town. The mafia can threaten to kill the survivor but they wouldn't actually do it because it delays their win.

I agree mafia seem to have an advantage in this case but it's not a for sure total loss, especially if the survivor sides with town

[everywhere116]

Sorry, PMC, I did misquote you. I stil don't understand how 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 4 town is a scum win. If the survivor sides with mafia, we have a no lynch situation (assuming town knows who each other are at this point), whereas if the survivor sides with town, it's 5 vs. 3 and also a town win. I don't see how the scenario you described is a definite scum win

Mafia only need match the numbers of town to win. Granted, with a survivor the mod may let it continue (I would like clearer rules set out somewhere about end games) but all they would have to do is no lynch + NK and game is over.

True, but if the survivor sides with town and they lynch mafia the next day the numbers would be 2 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town. The mafia can threaten to kill the survivor but they wouldn't actually do it because it delays their win.

I agree mafia seem to have an advantage in this case but it's not a for sure total loss, especially if the survivor sides with town

Like I have said before, survivors are fickle. Reading through GP - Egyptian is proof of that enough.

Thoughts:

It doesn't look to me like jgordon is playing like a survivor, whether or not that is simply inexperience or whether or not he lied I cannot be sure. But doing things like throwing yourself in front of the doctor and telling people to lynch is is not something I would ever expect a survivor to do. On the other hand, I don't think Doom is playing as well as he could have, either. Clarifying for everyone of jak's doctor breadcrumbs is not something I would expect someone of Doom's experience level to do.

PMC made a good point: Vigging gordon wouldn't be a wasted night action because the vig shouldn't be shooting anyone on night 1 anyway. However, there are to concerns: Whether or not we actually think jgordon should die and, more importantly, whether or not the mafia have a bus driver. (I'll tear my own hair out if they do. Fucking drivers)

What I want most at this point is a vote count, though.

[safariguy5]

#coolthethread

It seems things have the potential to heat up in here. Especially with what JG is saying. It might also have something to do with his avatar and sig, IDK. Anyway, at least he's active and posting stuff.

I find it interesting that saf made such a gambit of voting himself. It is noted for future reference. More comments later but I have to go now.

-SG7 ( )

What gambit??!! I'm trying to make a fucking point.

Saf you and some others once told me its a game dont take it personal or personally. And it was not meant to insult you personally,what I did was to try and bring everyone in here to play. And to get responses from them and see the reactions. Alot of the time you get an idea where someone stands just from those particular reactions.


What I am noting most right now are the non reactions.

Yes, it's a game, but there's a difference between a good argument about who's scum and name calling.

It's like a Yankees fan and a Red Socks fan at a sports bar. If they want to talk baseball and maybe engage in a little trash talking about each others' team, that's fine. But when one guy starts calling the other guy a little whiny bitch, then a line is clearly crossed.

By attacking the veteran players instead of their posts or their playstyle, I feel you've crossed that line. Again, you're well within your rights to do so, but don't expect everyone to just lie down and take it.

Also, what kind of reaction are you looking for exactly? Whether someone is going to respond to you needling them? Because by god you certainly got one from me.

[Leehar]

Someone said I went quiet its true, I had two exams I hadn't bothered studying for the last two days and just ran an exhausting 9 miles

I am talking from a outside view here I am neither town nor mafia,I knew I was done when I tried to draw attention away from the Doc.

Then why do it? Why claim under little pressure as well? Your play is bizarre for a survivor tbh.

I think it was Clever who said it after Chap was FoS'ing you. so FoS Clever for skimming the part where you said you were busy studying.

Also, jg's repeatedly said he's trying to play from a town perspective which is supposed to explain it?

Btw, It was a couple of pages back, but I'm not sure if I commented on it, so I think it was Doom who was asking who didn't get the softclaim?
For the record, I didn't.
And to be frank I really don't see 'directing the doc' as being a soft-claim for being adoc? By that extension, should we assume Pmc is Vig now?

[jak111]

^ Agreed with vote count.

What I've noticed in the past page or so, is that Safari is not playing like how I remember him from my very first game where everywhere was host. Sorry for Meta gaming here, but attitudes are a huge factor to me, they can potentially catch something that in the game its self will not. Saf and I worked together the first game and I have to say that we did so pretty smoothly (until it was down to 3 town, 2 secondary mafia, and 1 primary mafia) in which case it didn't end too well for us v.v. But my point is, not once did he lash out at another player in that game. However, this game he has a short fuse, like a REALLY short fuse. Don't want nothing from him now, but keep an eye on his temper, because that may be his downfall in this mafia.

As for the people who put the wagon on jg and still want to vote him, plus the ones still voting me and questioning it. I have to ask, how scummy do you think you seem to me right now? You found a survivor so you want him out of the picture, are the mafia non existent in this game? I can understand he's the best option if we don't find anything, but at the same time no one's putting in the effort to do so, so please note the people who seem to want this day done and over with as quickly as possible without an ounce of trying. Also the people who are still questioning me, have I been counter claimed? Nope.

So now we're on to the Doom case, whom if anyone has played with before (a LOT of you have) you know this is not his typical style. He doesn't just out a townie to the mafia like that. I've never played a FULL game with him where he's been townie, so I can't judge how he acts then, but I suspect he'd put more effort into helping townies than outing them to the mafia so easily.

Finally, we're on the to general populace of this game. Why are you not really trying guys? I mean there's the odd 1-3 of you doing something, but besides that you decide a single non town claim is enough to finish the day off? Where's your motivation to actually find out things as much as you can before lynching so quickly? I believe JG is a survivor, I also believe he's willing to help the town. Which is a lot more than I can say for a couple of you who either have not contributed much, at all, or trying to get things over with so quickly.

We've just been given an extended deadline, so if I don't see some effort being put into this, I'm not sure I want to protect someone who's not bothering to contribute, giving them another day to continue not contributing. There's very few right now I'm thinking about giving the only chance I get to protect someone for tonight. Believe me, jg is on a higher worthy of protection than a lot of you at the moment, and that's sad.

[jgordon1111]

leehar I did not state I was playing from a town perspective, I said I am neither town nor mafia

But I prefer a town win.

And as far as playing the survivor role yes its the first time I have had it on CC,and the mortality rate is fast here.

And I quick claimed because I believe jak is the doc,and I thought he might have given it away

But not to worry Doom made sure that if mafia had missed it,all was well he pointed it out.

I have no allegiance or alignment, I cannot be coerced.

I pick a side and I play for it,whether here or elsewhere.

For those of you who say fickle Bah, you have no honor,or you are used to playing with people who have no honor.

Do not attempt to judge me off of how you would play. It is a mistake to do so.

Fastposted by Jak

[jak111]

^ Jg's post just reminded me of another fact that was actually in the post above mine.

Btw, It was a couple of pages back, but I'm not sure if I commented on it, so I think it was Doom who was asking who didn't get the softclaim?
For the record, I didn't.
And to be frank I really don't see 'directing the doc' as being a soft-claim for being adoc? By that extension, should we assume Pmc is Vig now?

So, Doom. I do believe Leehar has just pointed out that you told people who didn't know. Hence giving me away to potential mafia.

Although to clear it up for you Leehar, it's not that that was my soft claim o.O everyone is just on crack or something. I've mentioned things like "Help me help you" and mentioning how I wasn't so sure there was a doc in this game, saying that there probably wasn't (That was my small plot until Doom ruined it with pointing me out AS THE DOC that if at a later date I could refer back to and counter claim the fake doc if mafia chose to try and fake claim doc).

[shieldgenerator7]

half of me is starting to think JG is actually survivor and wants to help town win,
the other half still wants to lynch him for inconsistent play and insults.

We DO have more time to discuss, so for the moment I shall unvote. UNVOTE

And also it seems my suspicions of PMC stemmed from a misunderstanding/misquoting. I still disagree about vigging the survivor, but I understand now what you mean in that possible scenario. UNFOS PMC. Wait. He still tried to direct the vig. NOTED, PMC, noted.

I also agree that saf seems out of character. IDK, it seems a lot of players I know seem to be playing out of their style recently like edoc and pcm. Maybe I haven't played with them for awhile so can't really tell, or other. IDK, it just seems weird to me too.

-SG7 ( )

[pmchugh]

leehar I did not state I was playing from a town perspective, I said I am neither town nor mafia

But I prefer a town win.

And as far as playing the survivor role yes its the first time I have had it on CC,and the mortality rate is fast here.

And I quick claimed because I believe jak is the doc,and I thought he might have given it away

But not to worry Doom made sure that if mafia had missed it,all was well he pointed it out.

I have no allegiance or alignment, I cannot be coerced.

I pick a side and I play for it,whether here or elsewhere.

For those of you who say fickle Bah, you have no honor,or you are used to playing with people who have no honor.

Do not attempt to judge me off of how you would play. It is a mistake to do so.

Fastposted by Jak

Is anyone buying this? As much as I would like to believe you have randomly decided to town-side I am not stupid. If you are a survivor then you are either lying (I can see why you would) or you are playing stupidly. Honor? Where is the honor in playing for a side that isn't yours? That would be called cheating. I am not accusing you of cheating though, because I don't really believe you are town-sided at all. It reminds me of the people who town side as jester on epicmafia but at least they were still labelled "winners".

I don't want to lynch him but I definitely want him dead as he is not a townie and will not act with towns best interests in mind.

@Shield: What is wrong with directing actions?

[jgordon1111]

Its not exactly what you think SG7 the mafia games are being played a little different now than they used to be, And I believe it is throwing some out of their comfort zone.

Adapting to a new way of playing is different,like not just BW without real evidence of a slip.

Having everyone participate is a little different also,not just following the leader.

Yes pressure someone,but because you have a valid reason.

playing like this forces mafia not to slide under the radar,or submarine.

You expect everyone to play and say why they think something is wrong for themselves it changes the game a bit.

Be unconventional on occassion and someone will slip,

It has already happened if you guys are paying close attention,then just let them have enough rope to use for their own lynch.

Fastposted by PMC

[shieldgenerator7]

PMC are you asking because you are uninformed or because you want to hear what I say?

[jgordon1111]

PMC in what way would it be considered cheating,beings I would prefer a town win. I dont get the concept of that. And why would me preferring a town win upset you to the point of not calling me cheater.

I am not stupid, and I have no side I am a survivor, I win no matter who wins. But in this instance I fully expect to die,therefore me having a preference is cheating?

I think not.

That is faulty logic.

I picked a side when Jak tried to back me,albeit he was dropping hints for the right people to see and catch.

But I told you,dont judge me by the way you would play. I picked a side I wont flip,therefore that is what I meant about honor.

judging me by how you would play just to win is a mistake.

I dont judge others on what I would do, It would be a huge mistake for me.

[pmchugh]

PMC are you asking because you are uninformed or because you want to hear what I say?

I want to know why you think it is scummy. I don't think it is so.

PMC in what way would it be considered cheating,beings I would prefer a town win. I dont get the concept of that. And why would me preferring a town win upset you to the point of not calling me cheater.

I am not stupid, and I have no side I am a survivor, I win no matter who wins. But in this instance I fully expect to die,therefore me having a preference is cheating?

You have encouraged people to lynch you as a survivor.. that is going against your own win condition to further someone elses.

judging me by how you would play just to win is a mistake.

Believe it or not winning is what you are meant to try and do.

[shieldgenerator7]

The reason we don't normally tell power roles who to target is because then mafia would know and could plan accordingly. If mafia knew jak, for example, was going to be protected at night, they wouldn't target him and would kill someone else, stripping the doc of a chance of blocking the kill. Altho it does prove effective for that one thing you wanted to do (in this case protect jak), it gives mafia too much info to play around with, especially if they have a busdriver (tho we have no evidence of such ATM).

[shieldgenerator7]

Altho we have used doc directing in RTs before. One time as the doc I said I'd protect the cop but protected someone else. The mafia, (why they didn't kill me is beyond me) knowing I would be protecting the cop, targeting someone else, the exact same person I targeted. Directing power roles can be useful to an extent but usually it doesn't help, b/c then the mafia have a better understanding of who they should kill.

[jgordon1111]

PMC are you asking because you are uninformed or because you want to hear what I say?

I want to know why you think it is scummy. I don't think it is so.

PMC in what way would it be considered cheating,beings I would prefer a town win. I dont get the concept of that. And why would me preferring a town win upset you to the point of not calling me cheater.

I am not stupid, and I have no side I am a survivor, I win no matter who wins. But in this instance I fully expect to die,therefore me having a preference is cheating?

You have encouraged people to lynch you as a survivor.. that is going against your own win condition to further someone elses.

judging me by how you would play just to win is a mistake.

Believe it or not winning is what you are meant to try and do.

I have encouraged them to lynch me if they cant find scum,by now most have probably started to have doubts about a few players. What I have discouraged them from doing is vigging me,there are dangers in doing that as you well know.

So I am playing the game,do I want to win yes,have I said I didnt no. Knowing I will most likely be killed do I have a preferred side to win yes.

That not cheating PMC, thats surviving as long as I can and getting people to play mafia which is about scum hunting. Even after I am out.

Fastposted by SG7

[safariguy5]

The reason I'm not playing "according to my style" is because jg has consistently belittled the veterans of the game. By issuing a blanket statement, he has grouped me into a generalization repeatedly, and made comments which I disagree with. I've always tried to play the game with respect and tolerance, and quite frankly, mudslinging towards other players is always something I take issue with. I believe it distracts from the game, does nothing productive, and takes away from the general enjoyment of the game for all involved. I understand (as I have said repeatedly) that it's not against the rules and some may use it as a tactic (which is what I assume jgordon is doing). However, participation in this game is a choice, and I can choose to distance myself from insults in a number of ways. Asking for a replacement would be one. Asking the person to stop making these insults is another. Asking to be lynched would be a third. If people want to continue to be negative, then I suggest you all lynch me, because that's the least work for the mod all things considered.