Battle of the Bulge - CLOSED

[DoomYoshi]

For doom he tried his best to make sure that every1 new that jak was the doc and that again does seem scummy to me fos doom

Until someone admits to not picking up on the soft claim that isn't a valid fos.

[jgordon1111]

For doom he tried his best to make sure that every1 new that jak was the doc and that again does seem scummy to me fos doom

Until someone admits to not picking up on the soft claim that isn't a valid fos.

LOL funny one doom,thats like when I asked the skimmers to just admit that they were skimming. were you skimming? having trouble recalling just who all it was.

On the opposite side of that,until you can get everyone to admit they got the soft claim it is a valid FOS from spartacus.

Good use of the FOS there spartacus, a good reference point to come back to.

[safariguy5]

For doom he tried his best to make sure that every1 new that jak was the doc and that again does seem scummy to me fos doom

Until someone admits to not picking up on the soft claim that isn't a valid fos.

LOL funny one doom,thats like when I asked the skimmers to just admit that they were skimming. were you skimming? having trouble recalling just who all it was.

On the opposite side of that,until you can get everyone to admit they got the soft claim it is a valid FOS from spartacus.

Good use of the FOS there spartacus, a good reference point to come back to.

I have no idea what all this is about. I don't think anything Doom did was particularly noteworthy.

Speaking of which jgordon, didn't you suggest we pressure a submariner? Why are you still on this Doom case when we clearly have submariners to pressure? What's the point in suggesting a course of action if you're not going to follow up on it?

[shieldgenerator7]

Ok, I didn't get online much yesterday and had a lot of pages to read up on in multiple games, and this one had most posts, so it got shoved on the back burner. But now I've caught up from page 14 and have noted what I thought was important thus far:

NOTES

Spoiler

jak-
tries to direct doc, talks about protecting his buddy (16) chapcrap sums this up (17) pmc says he's town (18) defends himself and votes jg (18) claims Rosana Masse Town Doc (22)

shield-
ragian asks about S7C connections (17) saf calls him out (24) posts (25)

leehar-
says Shield's not in this game (18)

jgordon-
pmc votes him, w/ex (18) claims Curt Lowens survivor Poland (18) chap says lynching survivor is good (18) NG1 townies him (19) BWs on Doom (21) tells everyone to "go play real mafia" (22) Rodion points out inconsistency in jg's posts (23)

pmc-
suggests vig kills jg (20) tells jak to nameclaim (21)

doom-
BWs on jg(<21) outs jak's softclaim (<21)

ghostly-
clarifies roles (23)

ragian-
posts list of inactive players (24)

So far, I find Doom suspicious for outing jak's softclaim and BWing on JG after his claim on grounds that, crash, I forget. Will go back and check maybe, but it was really shaky grounds or something. FOS DOOM

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

Now that takes me to the survivor. While catching up, I initially had eyes on jak, but he's townie (as far as we know), then I thought about Doom and JG, but JG really got my attention because he told us to "go play real mafia", which rather angered me. Now, I like constructive criticism but this seemed to be more of an insult. He later tried to prove his point with his "Doom you edited your post", but it seems it didn't catch too many skimmers (or maybe I skimmed that jg, who did you catch skimming with that maneuver?). And then Rodion points out inconsistencies in his posts about what he claims to be and what he tries to make his motives appear to be. He tries to look town by saying he will sacrifice himself for a doc, but claims survivor, and it clearly wouldn't be beneficial for him to sacrifice himself for the doc as a survivor. So due to this inconsistency in his posts, I think we may have found a fakeclaiming nazi. VOTE JGORDON

Also, about the SG7/S7C thing. S7C is my padowan and his SK claim mirrors my own constant mafia claiming.

Thanks for calling me out saf, 2 pages before I can respond. I honestly didn't even read your post until I was catching up, but I do feel loved for being called out for inactivity Thanks, saf.

I think that's all I needed to respond to at this point.

FASTPOSTED

yeah, yet another point against JG. I look forward to hearing your defense

-SG7 ( )

[jak111]

Ok, jgordon. In clear English can you explain how you caught me skimming? You requested a modkill because I edited my own post. Now you are accusing me of skimming the fact that I edited my posts?

I will be honest jgordon. 90% I read but I am forced to ignore because your grasp of English is incomprehensible. I try to find the meaning in what you say, but you talk so much and so poorly that it usually ends up being more effort than it is worth. Right now I still can't understand what you are saying. You didn't catch anyone skimming, from what I saw, most players (including the mod) went back and checked whether or not I edited a post.

this post busts my gut cause he has been told plenty of times what the point of that was so in this post he pretty much digs himself a hole. he did it to see who was skimming i had one read through and i knew that. then you dis him on his english and i can read it fine maybe im on the same level of idiocy he is. except that i wouldnt soft claim doctor at all. so i guess im higher on the inteligence totem pole then he is. anyway i can understand everything. and yes he did catch someone skimming ...YOU you skimmed for pages not knowing what he said when even other people are trying to explain it to you. so for that vote doom

jgordon- i have no clue why you soft claimed doc and its confusing. i dont see your reasoning behind it at all. if you even gave one. you outed one of towns power roles right of the bat and its not gonna help us at all.

jak111-if doom comes up to not be a good candidate to lynch ill vote you because you said that you didnt care if you got killed.

Whoa, FOS on Clever here. That's major skimming bud. You and Doom seem to enjoy messing up mine and jg's names.

However, my vote remains on Doom. Yes the submariners are bad, you can even get more info and call them out on it D2 and D3 if must be. I'd think Adolf would be a GF, so if it was to be given to a person like Doom, I'm sure he'd be pretty active to stay in the game. Right now out of 18 players, the Adolf is the only one I need to gun for to use my power for the town's sake.

Anyone else think it's at least worth a claim from him?

Fastposted by SG7, Well you sorta just skimmed the last few posts bud, Doom finally admitted that he skimmed the post that said it was to catch skimmers after making a big deal about the mess (So pretty much everyone who made a big deal about it skimmed the part where he said it was to catch skimmers).

[shieldgenerator7]

Fastposted by SG7, Well you sorta just skimmed the last few posts bud, Doom finally admitted that he skimmed the post that said it was to catch skimmers after making a big deal about the mess (So pretty much everyone who made a big deal about it skimmed the part where he said it was to catch skimmers).

Yeah actually I did catch that. But that's not the main reason my vote's on JG. It's mostly because of his contradictory behaviour

-SG7 ( )

[dazza2008]

I think "smimming" is being used far to bloody much here. Clever mixing up two players names is not skimming. It is a mistake is it not?

If he had been skimming he would not know what the claims had been let alone who said them.

Nearly every post you guys put up here is accusing someone of skimming

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Ok, jgordon. In clear English can you explain how you caught me skimming? You requested a modkill because I edited my own post. Now you are accusing me of skimming the fact that I edited my posts?

I will be honest jgordon. 90% I read but I am forced to ignore because your grasp of English is incomprehensible. I try to find the meaning in what you say, but you talk so much and so poorly that it usually ends up being more effort than it is worth. Right now I still can't understand what you are saying. You didn't catch anyone skimming, from what I saw, most players (including the mod) went back and checked whether or not I edited a post.

this post busts my gut cause he has been told plenty of times what the point of that was so in this post he pretty much digs himself a hole. he did it to see who was skimming i had one read through and i knew that. then you dis him on his english and i can read it fine maybe im on the same level of idiocy he is. except that i wouldnt soft claim doctor at all. so i guess im higher on the inteligence totem pole then he is. anyway i can understand everything. and yes he did catch someone skimming ...YOU you skimmed for pages not knowing what he said when even other people are trying to explain it to you. so for that vote doom

jgordon- i have no clue why you soft claimed doc and its confusing. i dont see your reasoning behind it at all. if you even gave one. you outed one of towns power roles right of the bat and its not gonna help us at all.

jak111-if doom comes up to not be a good candidate to lynch ill vote you because you said that you didnt care if you got killed.

Whoa, FOS on Clever here. That's major skimming bud. You and Doom seem to enjoy messing up mine and jg's names.

However, my vote remains on Doom. Yes the submariners are bad, you can even get more info and call them out on it D2 and D3 if must be. I'd think Adolf would be a GF, so if it was to be given to a person like Doom, I'm sure he'd be pretty active to stay in the game. Right now out of 18 players, the Adolf is the only one I need to gun for to use my power for the town's sake.

Anyone else think it's at least worth a claim from him?

Fastposted by SG7, Well you sorta just skimmed the last few posts bud, Doom finally admitted that he skimmed the post that said it was to catch skimmers after making a big deal about the mess (So pretty much everyone who made a big deal about it skimmed the part where he said it was to catch skimmers).

fos me if you want i had to read 14 pages sorry if i messed up your name..the fact is what i said is what i thnk and i fixed it end of story. and the whole thing about trying to catch skimmers from that edit post of doom thing was a waste the only thing you would catch is bandwagons if anything;

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I'm a bit busy and may be unable to post for a day or two, later!

[DoomYoshi]

I think "smimming" is being used far to bloody much here. Clever mixing up two players names is not skimming. It is a mistake is it not?

If he had been skimming he would not know what the claims had been let alone who said them.

Nearly every post you guys put up here is accusing someone of skimming

Stop skimming dazza. We are trying to play the game.

[dazza2008]

I think "smimming" is being used far to bloody much here. Clever mixing up two players names is not skimming. It is a mistake is it not?

If he had been skimming he would not know what the claims had been let alone who said them.

Nearly every post you guys put up here is accusing someone of skimming

Stop skimming dazza. We are trying to play the game.

Sorry.

[jgordon1111]

Ok, I didn't get online much yesterday and had a lot of pages to read up on in multiple games, and this one had most posts, so it got shoved on the back burner. But now I've caught up from page 14 and have noted what I thought was important thus far:

NOTES

Spoiler

jak-
tries to direct doc, talks about protecting his buddy (16) chapcrap sums this up (17) pmc says he's town (18) defends himself and votes jg (18) claims Rosana Masse Town Doc (22)

shield-
ragian asks about S7C connections (17) saf calls him out (24) posts (25)

leehar-
says Shield's not in this game (18)

jgordon-
pmc votes him, w/ex (18) claims Curt Lowens survivor Poland (18) chap says lynching survivor is good (18) NG1 townies him (19) BWs on Doom (21) tells everyone to "go play real mafia" (22) Rodion points out inconsistency in jg's posts (23)

pmc-
suggests vig kills jg (20) tells jak to nameclaim (21)

doom-
BWs on jg(<21) outs jak's softclaim (<21)

ghostly-
clarifies roles (23)

ragian-
posts list of inactive players (24)

So far, I find Doom suspicious for outing jak's softclaim and BWing on JG after his claim on grounds that, crash, I forget. Will go back and check maybe, but it was really shaky grounds or something. FOS DOOM

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

Now that takes me to the survivor. While catching up, I initially had eyes on jak, but he's townie (as far as we know), then I thought about Doom and JG, but JG really got my attention because he told us to "go play real mafia", which rather angered me. Now, I like constructive criticism but this seemed to be more of an insult. He later tried to prove his point with his "Doom you edited your post", but it seems it didn't catch too many skimmers (or maybe I skimmed that jg, who did you catch skimming with that maneuver?). And then Rodion points out inconsistencies in his posts about what he claims to be and what he tries to make his motives appear to be. He tries to look town by saying he will sacrifice himself for a doc, but claims survivor, and it clearly wouldn't be beneficial for him to sacrifice himself for the doc as a survivor. So due to this inconsistency in his posts, I think we may have found a fakeclaiming nazi. VOTE JGORDON

Also, about the SG7/S7C thing. S7C is my padowan and his SK claim mirrors my own constant mafia claiming.

Thanks for calling me out saf, 2 pages before I can respond. I honestly didn't even read your post until I was catching up, but I do feel loved for being called out for inactivity Thanks, saf.

I think that's all I needed to respond to at this point.

FASTPOSTED

yeah, yet another point against JG. I look forward to hearing your defense

-SG7 ( )

Defense, what defense I dont need no stinking defense. I know the odds of a survivor making it to the end,and I am trying to give you a shot at catching scum with their hand in the damn cookie jar.

God quit trying to analyze what I am saying and what my motives are.

All of you read into what people say way to much,and think you have scum when usually what you end up with is dead town.LOL

I have already explained myself in this game,and almost every game I have ever been in. ARGHHHH just read what I say literally,not what you think I might mean, Amused each time this happens. Used to get pissed now just amused alot.

Fastposted and fastposted Etcetera etcetera etcetera.

[safariguy5]

Ok, I didn't get online much yesterday and had a lot of pages to read up on in multiple games, and this one had most posts, so it got shoved on the back burner. But now I've caught up from page 14 and have noted what I thought was important thus far:

NOTES

Spoiler

jak-
tries to direct doc, talks about protecting his buddy (16) chapcrap sums this up (17) pmc says he's town (18) defends himself and votes jg (18) claims Rosana Masse Town Doc (22)

shield-
ragian asks about S7C connections (17) saf calls him out (24) posts (25)

leehar-
says Shield's not in this game (18)

jgordon-
pmc votes him, w/ex (18) claims Curt Lowens survivor Poland (18) chap says lynching survivor is good (18) NG1 townies him (19) BWs on Doom (21) tells everyone to "go play real mafia" (22) Rodion points out inconsistency in jg's posts (23)

pmc-
suggests vig kills jg (20) tells jak to nameclaim (21)

doom-
BWs on jg(<21) outs jak's softclaim (<21)

ghostly-
clarifies roles (23)

ragian-
posts list of inactive players (24)

So far, I find Doom suspicious for outing jak's softclaim and BWing on JG after his claim on grounds that, crash, I forget. Will go back and check maybe, but it was really shaky grounds or something. FOS DOOM

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

Now that takes me to the survivor. While catching up, I initially had eyes on jak, but he's townie (as far as we know), then I thought about Doom and JG, but JG really got my attention because he told us to "go play real mafia", which rather angered me. Now, I like constructive criticism but this seemed to be more of an insult. He later tried to prove his point with his "Doom you edited your post", but it seems it didn't catch too many skimmers (or maybe I skimmed that jg, who did you catch skimming with that maneuver?). And then Rodion points out inconsistencies in his posts about what he claims to be and what he tries to make his motives appear to be. He tries to look town by saying he will sacrifice himself for a doc, but claims survivor, and it clearly wouldn't be beneficial for him to sacrifice himself for the doc as a survivor. So due to this inconsistency in his posts, I think we may have found a fakeclaiming nazi. VOTE JGORDON

Also, about the SG7/S7C thing. S7C is my padowan and his SK claim mirrors my own constant mafia claiming.

Thanks for calling me out saf, 2 pages before I can respond. I honestly didn't even read your post until I was catching up, but I do feel loved for being called out for inactivity Thanks, saf.

I think that's all I needed to respond to at this point.

FASTPOSTED

yeah, yet another point against JG. I look forward to hearing your defense

-SG7 ( )

Shield, your reasoning for pmc and jg are contradictory.

One one hand, you propose that pmc is suspicious for wanting to kill a survivor. You also point out that a survivor potentially could side with town against mafia. That's technically true, but it's harder to control survivor actions at endgame, as they don't necessarily need to vote with town to win. I'd rather have 4 townies vs 3 mafia at endgame over 3 mafia, 3 townies and 1 survivor, as the survivor provides the swing vote. Factoring into that decision is that mafia can threaten assuring the survivor loses by nking him if the survivor does not vote with mafia. Unless town can guarantee protection, survivor may choose to vote with mafia because mafia still has kills.

Regardless of endgame discussion, your FOS on pmc hinges on you believing that jgordon is a survivor.

However, you then turn around and vote jg because you believe his play is inconsistent with survivor play. You even say that you think he's a mafia player who's fakeclaiming.

So which is it? Either you think he's survivor, in which case you can justify suspecting PMC, or you think he's scum, in which case the PMC FOS is not justifiable.

Fastposted.

[safariguy5]

Ok, I didn't get online much yesterday and had a lot of pages to read up on in multiple games, and this one had most posts, so it got shoved on the back burner. But now I've caught up from page 14 and have noted what I thought was important thus far:

NOTES

Spoiler

jak-
tries to direct doc, talks about protecting his buddy (16) chapcrap sums this up (17) pmc says he's town (18) defends himself and votes jg (18) claims Rosana Masse Town Doc (22)

shield-
ragian asks about S7C connections (17) saf calls him out (24) posts (25)

leehar-
says Shield's not in this game (18)

jgordon-
pmc votes him, w/ex (18) claims Curt Lowens survivor Poland (18) chap says lynching survivor is good (18) NG1 townies him (19) BWs on Doom (21) tells everyone to "go play real mafia" (22) Rodion points out inconsistency in jg's posts (23)

pmc-
suggests vig kills jg (20) tells jak to nameclaim (21)

doom-
BWs on jg(<21) outs jak's softclaim (<21)

ghostly-
clarifies roles (23)

ragian-
posts list of inactive players (24)

So far, I find Doom suspicious for outing jak's softclaim and BWing on JG after his claim on grounds that, crash, I forget. Will go back and check maybe, but it was really shaky grounds or something. FOS DOOM

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

Now that takes me to the survivor. While catching up, I initially had eyes on jak, but he's townie (as far as we know), then I thought about Doom and JG, but JG really got my attention because he told us to "go play real mafia", which rather angered me. Now, I like constructive criticism but this seemed to be more of an insult. He later tried to prove his point with his "Doom you edited your post", but it seems it didn't catch too many skimmers (or maybe I skimmed that jg, who did you catch skimming with that maneuver?). And then Rodion points out inconsistencies in his posts about what he claims to be and what he tries to make his motives appear to be. He tries to look town by saying he will sacrifice himself for a doc, but claims survivor, and it clearly wouldn't be beneficial for him to sacrifice himself for the doc as a survivor. So due to this inconsistency in his posts, I think we may have found a fakeclaiming nazi. VOTE JGORDON

Also, about the SG7/S7C thing. S7C is my padowan and his SK claim mirrors my own constant mafia claiming.

Thanks for calling me out saf, 2 pages before I can respond. I honestly didn't even read your post until I was catching up, but I do feel loved for being called out for inactivity Thanks, saf.

I think that's all I needed to respond to at this point.

FASTPOSTED

yeah, yet another point against JG. I look forward to hearing your defense

-SG7 ( )

Defense, what defense I dont need no stinking defense. I know the odds of a survivor making it to the end,and I am trying to give you a shot at catching scum with their hand in the damn cookie jar.

God quit trying to analyze what I am saying and what my motives are.

All of you read into what people say way to much,and think you have scum when usually what you end up with is dead town.LOL

I have already explained myself in this game,and almost every game I have ever been in. ARGHHHH just read what I say literally,not what you think I might mean, Amused each time this happens. Used to get pissed now just amused alot.

Fastposted and fastposted Etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Two things here. First of all, what else do we have to judge guilt? Facial expressions? Cases are built on post analysis, I don't see how else we expect to get mafia besides praying that the cop gets a lucky investigation and is not killed.

Second of all, since you're neither town nor scum (allegedly) a lynch of you would not result in dead town.

[pmchugh]

Sorry guys, had an exam today and I got one tomorrow so was busy studying today.

more skimming from all of you.

The thing I am trying to get all of you to quit doing.

Go back doom and the rest of you where I asked for you to get mod killed and read my follow up posts please.

Man you guys never learn,for some of the supposed best mafia players on CC you really dont follow anything well at all. In the real mafia games most of you would get waxed D1 for the BS you do here.

But it still humors me to watch the followers and the leaders.

The leaders are usually so sure of themselves, they overlook the obvious and go for targets that usually hurt them when the lynching begins and the followers rather than do any actual research or work on their own vote with the leaders(because of their "LOL" experience) at mafia games.

I do find it rather easy to run circles around most of you so called leaders in most games,just by my play style which you apparently cannot follow.

here is a suggestion go play the real mafia games a couple of times just to understand what I mean lol. You might then understand why I FOS instead of voting most of the time. It is sometimes a better tool than an actual vote. But enough for now, please continue.

Oh one last hint look around and see who hasnt really posted since,the ball is now bouncing in different court.

We have our community and we like it, if you don't then stop playing. Fair enough some people do skim too much but stop looking down your nose at people, especially when you claimed survivor day 1.

I believe jaks claim, not specifically cause of the name but more so because I already had a town read on him. I think jgordons claim was stupid but believable.

God quit trying to analyze what I am saying and what my motives are.

Great advice for playing mafia.

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

A lot of mods would end game in that scenario and if not then all that was required was mafia to ask jg to vote with them for a guaranteed win. Survivors are not townies.

My main suspicion still lies with Doom but unlike jak I don't want a claim until I have a better tell, we have had some pretty quick claims already so there is no need for another until we have discussed things out more.

Fastposted * 2.

[shieldgenerator7]

No saf I believe you misunderstand my post.

My reason for FOSing PMC is for the concept of NKing a survivor. I understand the difference between the two situations he described, but the way he presented it made is sound as tho vigging the survivor would change the "3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town" into: "3 mafia, 4 town", when in reality it changes it into "3 mafia, 3 town", which is obv a scum win. My FOS on PMC is for srsly suggesting vigging the survivor and the logic he used. (and now that I think of it for also trying to direct the vig, however scummy that is)

I'm voting JG on the other hand because of the inconsistency between his WC and the actions the proposals he's made. I guess that means he's willing to side with town, but like Rodion said that could be an easy fakeclaim. I guess if JG sides with town he's alright, but he could turn at any moment. SO i'm still keeping my eye on him.

So what's the diff between vigging and lynching the survivor? Lynching is more calculated and town usually gains more info, whereas if we vigged him it would waste a town power role's night action and it's the decision of jsut one person. Alright, I was just making this up. What I really think:

Vigging him would be killing him just to kill him b/c he's a survivor. Lynching would be more of getting info from his BW and killing him b/c his claim and actions don't line up.

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-SG7 ( )

[jgordon1111]

Ok, I didn't get online much yesterday and had a lot of pages to read up on in multiple games, and this one had most posts, so it got shoved on the back burner. But now I've caught up from page 14 and have noted what I thought was important thus far:

NOTES

Spoiler

jak-
tries to direct doc, talks about protecting his buddy (16) chapcrap sums this up (17) pmc says he's town (18) defends himself and votes jg (18) claims Rosana Masse Town Doc (22)

shield-
ragian asks about S7C connections (17) saf calls him out (24) posts (25)

leehar-
says Shield's not in this game (18)

jgordon-
pmc votes him, w/ex (18) claims Curt Lowens survivor Poland (18) chap says lynching survivor is good (18) NG1 townies him (19) BWs on Doom (21) tells everyone to "go play real mafia" (22) Rodion points out inconsistency in jg's posts (23)

pmc-
suggests vig kills jg (20) tells jak to nameclaim (21)

doom-
BWs on jg(<21) outs jak's softclaim (<21)

ghostly-
clarifies roles (23)

ragian-
posts list of inactive players (24)

So far, I find Doom suspicious for outing jak's softclaim and BWing on JG after his claim on grounds that, crash, I forget. Will go back and check maybe, but it was really shaky grounds or something. FOS DOOM

I also find it suspect that PMC wants JG vigged. His reasoning: 3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town = Mafia win; whereas 3 mafia, 4 town = Town still has a chance. This reasoning is faulty. For one, having equal town + 1 survivor is not a mafia win per se. There's a chance that town could still win. In the end, it's up to the mod what happens at this point, I guess. And vigging the survivor?! If we vigged the survivor that would decrease "potential town" numbers and give mafia easier win. If we don't vig the survivor, then the "3 mafia, 4 town" becomes "3 mafia, 4 town, 1 survivor" which has potential to be a better situation for town. Also, it's not really up to us who that 7th player in endgame is. It's more up to the mafia and who they kill, altho town does have some power w/ lynches (but not as much since lynches are more "blind"). I can't see why PMC didn't see this and think he was being intentionally misleading. I was only going to small fos him but I've convinced myself otherwise. FOS PMC

Now that takes me to the survivor. While catching up, I initially had eyes on jak, but he's townie (as far as we know), then I thought about Doom and JG, but JG really got my attention because he told us to "go play real mafia", which rather angered me. Now, I like constructive criticism but this seemed to be more of an insult. He later tried to prove his point with his "Doom you edited your post", but it seems it didn't catch too many skimmers (or maybe I skimmed that jg, who did you catch skimming with that maneuver?). And then Rodion points out inconsistencies in his posts about what he claims to be and what he tries to make his motives appear to be. He tries to look town by saying he will sacrifice himself for a doc, but claims survivor, and it clearly wouldn't be beneficial for him to sacrifice himself for the doc as a survivor. So due to this inconsistency in his posts, I think we may have found a fakeclaiming nazi. VOTE JGORDON

Also, about the SG7/S7C thing. S7C is my padowan and his SK claim mirrors my own constant mafia claiming.

Thanks for calling me out saf, 2 pages before I can respond. I honestly didn't even read your post until I was catching up, but I do feel loved for being called out for inactivity Thanks, saf.

I think that's all I needed to respond to at this point.

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yeah, yet another point against JG. I look forward to hearing your defense

-SG7 ( )

Defense, what defense I dont need no stinking defense. I know the odds of a survivor making it to the end,and I am trying to give you a shot at catching scum with their hand in the damn cookie jar.

God quit trying to analyze what I am saying and what my motives are.

All of you read into what people say way to much,and think you have scum when usually what you end up with is dead town.LOL

I have already explained myself in this game,and almost every game I have ever been in. ARGHHHH just read what I say literally,not what you think I might mean, Amused each time this happens. Used to get pissed now just amused alot.

Fastposted and fastposted Etcetera etcetera etcetera.

Two things here. First of all, what else do we have to judge guilt? Facial expressions? Cases are built on post analysis, I don't see how else we expect to get mafia besides praying that the cop gets a lucky investigation and is not killed.

Second of all, since you're neither town nor scum (allegedly) a lynch of you would not result in dead town.

Exactly Saf, some nut suggested vigging me, NO Bad Damn idea lynch me and watch those that have voted already for dumbass reasons or the hammer dropper I suggest when it comes time you look closely at chuck again LOL

Fastposted You are correct as I have pointed out several times SG7 freaking lynch me when it comes time if you cant pin scum down. DO NOT VIG

[jgordon1111]

Meta game here saf, mask mafia remember what I kept fighting with edoc about and who I got on N3. And how I said I did it.

[safariguy5]

No saf I believe you misunderstand my post.

My reason for FOSing PMC is for the concept of NKing a survivor. I understand the difference between the two situations he described, but the way he presented it made is sound as tho vigging the survivor would change the "3 mafia, 1 survivor, 3 town" into: "3 mafia, 4 town", when in reality it changes it into "3 mafia, 3 town", which is obv a scum win. My FOS on PMC is for srsly suggesting vigging the survivor and the logic he used. (and now that I think of it for also trying to direct the vig, however scummy that is)

I'm voting JG on the other hand because of the inconsistency between his WC and the actions the proposals he's made. I guess that means he's willing to side with town, but like Rodion said that could be an easy fakeclaim. I guess if JG sides with town he's alright, but he could turn at any moment. SO i'm still keeping my eye on him.

So what's the diff between vigging and lynching the survivor? Lynching is more calculated and town usually gains more info, whereas if we vigged him it would waste a town power role's night action and it's the decision of jsut one person. Alright, I was just making this up. What I really think:

Vigging him would be killing him just to kill him b/c he's a survivor. Lynching would be more of getting info from his BW and killing him b/c his claim and actions don't line up.

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-SG7 ( )

True, vigging could be a "wasted action" but remember that town vigs are supposed to be pretty cautious with their kills anyways. I've always been a big proponent of not vigging Night 1 unless we have a clear target (i.e. two people claim the same thing, we lynched the wrong one). So really, considering where we are at this time in the game, I wouldn't say it's a wasted action by the vig as a smart vig won't go randomly shooting on Night 1 anyways.

I'm still not convinced we'll find many leads from lynching jgordon. In my mind (and a lot of the other people I assume), there's enough evidence for a lynch, so really, scum could pick from several reasons to hop on the wagon. The best way to find scum is to find a divisive case and then look to see who was against the lynch. If the lynch turns up scum, then the people stonewalling the lynch are better candidates for future pressure/lynch. A lynch that has a lot of consensus, especially on Day 1, gives scum many reasons to get on the wagon.

So really, if the vig believes jg is worth vigging and we don't lynch jg today, I would be ok with that. Otherwise, if we believe that jg is the best lynch today, that's better than losing a townie, but I'm skeptical of exactly how much information we'll get. Jgordon, your suspicion of chuck and his general submarining is noted, but besides that, I doubt we'll find many more scum based on this one wagon alone.

[thechuck51]

you were on yesterday chuck and this morning yet no response and nothing to say here after warning me not to BW you,for an FOS. LOL

Come on chuck talk to me or any of us.

Between RL and the matrix mafia game (I am admittedly a bit overwhelmed between the two games) I am having trouble keeping up. I have been reading posts from my phone (which is why you see me online) but I need time to reread, get caught up on what I have missed and process all the information. I hope to do so soon.

[jgordon1111]

The logic in play here is mind boggling to say the least.

Are guys kidding me with this vig the survivor crap, c'mon some of you are supposed to be mafia players on CC.

Your chances of getting info(you need info,its a good thing) is increased with a lynch of a survivor you cant trust. Vigging the survivor is a net gain of nothing at all. Or accidentally revealing your vig(duh).

scenario your vig goes for the survivor(you have pre arranged this) mafia knows your going to,so freak it they join the kill. now your watcher has seen both killers,he lays back and starts asking questions. Here is where this is a bad idea, READ this carefully mafia jumps forward and claims the kill,or the vig claims it. either way a counter claim happens,now you have revealed your vig and watcher, odds are you guys will hang your vig(just a bet I would wager on in vegas) and opps when you find out to late that night you lose your watcher,this is a win win for mafia. anyone who says this is a good idea needs to refocus and get their head into this game. There are so many different ways this can go wrong it is unbelieveable.

If you cannot trust the survivor hang him,DO NOT BE STUPID and vig him. LOL I already suspect what is going to happen READ make your choices dont follow because you havent been in the game. get into it now or take the chance of losing.

[DoomYoshi]

This would be amazing jester play. I don't trust it though.

[everywhere116]

This would be amazing jester play. I don't trust it though.

I had an inkling the same way. What survivor would tell people to lynch himself?

[jgordon1111]

This would be amazing jester play. I don't trust it though.

And you keep trying to put down what I say is of no import doom, There is a reason I FOS'ed You as well.

I am talking from a outside view here I am neither town nor mafia,I knew I was done when I tried to draw attention away from the Doc.

But Doom every action you have taken this game is pure anti town in every sense. Starting with your complete outing of the doc and trying for an fos or lynch on him.

I knew I was done and am trying to get everyone involved in the game yet you say I am a jester.

You seem to prefer players skimming and blindly following a consensus that could be leading them all wrong, why would you want that?

You know my claim is legit quit trying to downplay what the others need to do for town to win,unless you have an ulterior motive for this.

[jgordon1111]

Everywhere you might want to steer clear of this one,remember I picked you as scum D1 last game we were in and you swung for it. I had you dead to rights when you called me out, want to try your luck again?

Look around some of those scum hunters are here as well. I am counting on them to carry this game to victory,because they have more sense than to just follow blindly.

They read,they evaluate, they play.

Survivor yes,want town to win yes. Knew I was dead when I claimed yes.

Done deal.