Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

[jak111]

Aye, all I know is the mafia is hiding somewhere in these cases, I just need to find who's the guy(s) rushing my case. Sure a few are town, but I have a feeling one or two of them are mafia hiding in this.

[freezie]

lol...in my zeal to get activity, all I did was put the target squarely on myself. My big bluster allowed everyone to pile on me without suspicion, or to stay away from with the same result. i screwed myself. I was hoping someone else would pick up on something, while I was in the midst of my rambling...and now you expect me to come up with something? I was the bull in a china shop...everyone else should be watching what comes out of the mess I made.

So...jak111...why don't you come out of your safe place and perhaps name someone you'd like to go after? haven't I caused enough distraction? you really think anyone will follow what I say now?

Neb, I didn't say your initial answers didn't show you'd make a case. Heck, I even said that you have done it. However, I was referencing to this post, especially the bolded part.

No, I am not trying to paint you anything. I wanted explanations on your initial wordings.

[thehippo8]

Aye, all I know is the mafia is hiding somewhere in these cases, I just need to find who's the guy(s) rushing my case. Sure a few are town, but I have a feeling one or two of them are mafia hiding in this.

The problem for you jak is that we agree that there must be a mafia in the case. But as far as we can tell, the mafia is you.

Incidentally, what is a super-ultimate-mafia-hunter? Is it a really good hunter of mafia? Or is iit a really good mafia who hunts? Anyways,your goose is cooked.

unvote vote jak

[everywhere116]

Firstly, I apologize for being relatively inactive. Exams are a bitch. This is the first chance I've gotten to review my games in any depth.

In my opinion, jak is acting extremely overzealous. I'm not sure whether or not I believe Neb's claim (knowing next to nothing about Matrix lore), but I don't like how jak has been acting recently. Is he overcompensating for something? Trying to make sure that we know he is town?

Vote Jak

[everywhere116]

Unvote Vote Jak

EBWOP

[Leehar]

Well besides you being 10 of my posts back, most of your points aren't really valid.
3.) I ALREADY STATED IT'S JUST A LIST OF NON-VOTERS, NOTHING MORE. Anything more and it is what your mind thinks I was saying. You were using it as a springboard?
2.) I've stated that I want info before I say "Oh this guy's scum, this one over here is DEFINITELY scum' yadda yadda yadda. You do have a point actually, that seems to be exactly what Hippo just did a coupla posts back
4.) That is pretty much my style every game. I like to be.. pro-active ;o X3 Doom seems to be confirming thats the case, but someone else believes you acted diff. when vt?
1.) I care for the reasons, I'm digging for more reasons however. With info comes a bit more knowledge (it also makes counter claims possible) It also makes scum kills easier...

So unlike you, I am not beating a dead horse. I am looking for new horses to make nay

Also again, whats with messing up the order of your answers? Another subtle method to just confuse us?

[jak111]

Nope, just it was which numbers I felt like answering first. At least I never put the wrong numbers beside the wrong answers <.< That'd be a FUN mind game...

[SPARTACUS1974]

sorry not been to active i will read and catch up soon

[jak111]

Perhaps I am over active in these games. It's like being aggressive is a bad thing, that we all should just lay back and watch the dust balls roll on by.

[DoomYoshi]

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

[edocsil]

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

I agree. IB would be a good choice if we don't tip neb over the edge.

I am Tank. Vanilla Townie. I have nothing special to do during the night, so I'm trying to keep myself interested by stirring the pot. And if I get lynched, who cares? Fortunately, my ploy worked, and we actually have some activity to go off of now. My two high suspects are edocsil and MoB Deadly for trying to vote for me with some "reasons" as to why I deserved the vote. However, their reasons are flimsy at best...and just plain stupid at worst. But, they felt they had to give reasons, so that they didn't just look like blatant bandwagoners...right?

This smells like a crappy fake. There are so many awesome characters in the matrix and Tank gets in the game? And as a VT?

Whatever, this is a faking scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

I agree. IB would be a good choice if we don't tip neb over the edge.

I am Tank. Vanilla Townie. I have nothing special to do during the night, so I'm trying to keep myself interested by stirring the pot. And if I get lynched, who cares? Fortunately, my ploy worked, and we actually have some activity to go off of now. My two high suspects are edocsil and MoB Deadly for trying to vote for me with some "reasons" as to why I deserved the vote. However, their reasons are flimsy at best...and just plain stupid at worst. But, they felt they had to give reasons, so that they didn't just look like blatant bandwagoners...right?

This smells like a crappy fake. There are so many awesome characters in the matrix and Tank gets in the game? And as a VT?

Whatever, this is a faking scum.

Nice of you to make an appearance Ed. You cut and paste and then post two sentences.

If you wish to make a case on me then by all means do so.

There are so many awesome characters in the Matrix and they must all be slow motion bullet proof vigs I guess. Who would imagine a VT in a 24 person game? You can not make the argument that there wont be VT in this game simply because the Matrix is such an Awesome movie with super duper cool characters, which is what you seem to be trying to do.

Unless you have other claims to compare Tank to your accusation is WIFOM and meaningless.

[Some7hingCLEVER]

Hey everyone I'm out of town for the weekend so won't be able to post till later tonight when I get home. Sorry again

[cowboyz]

Ok, after catching up on 12 pages,

Jak and the bad math argument.
Just doesn't make much sense. If that was his plan to not count properly and use that as a tool to hammer Neb, wouldn't he have a huge target on his back? Not very sneaky.
He does seem like is all over the place though. But that does kind of go with his ruffle feathers plan
Not saying he is anything yet, just that the miscalc wouldn't be very genius.

First post that I read which seemed strange was

OK....seeing how we have 24 people playing and it takes 13 to lynch Neb may as well be the first to claim.

Vote Neb

I believe he is now at L3

Vote Count

IB(1)- jak, Leehar
crazymilkshake(1)- soundman
Neb(11)- Skillfu, eldario, spart, yoshi, everywhere, Neb, cm5, dazza, mob, edoc, IB
betiko(2)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
freezie(1)- jonty

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Your vote made 11 which if I am correct put neb at L2.

Did you miscount when you said he was at L3? or were you hoping that somebody would trust your count and
vote neb to increase pressure (by putting him at what they thought was L2), thus allowing one of your scumbuddies to swoop in and drop the hammer?

Seeing how you have two answers ready to go why not just pick one and vote accordingly.

To me it was an obvious mistake. You however may have a different agenda. I will most definatlely watch more closely what you post.

Ok so this is the first post that stood out to me. IB gets questioned then goes semi offensive instead of explaining.

So you made your list not for the common good of catching scum but in learning tactic of players you are playing? You make no mention of pressuring scum behavior. In essence you are creating a list that fits to your criteria and not anyone else.

What you seem to be saying is that you want others to pressure me to claim not because I have done anything wrong but because I would suit your agenda. You want to learn my tactics, whatever that means. You also seem to believe that you are the reason I am now posting actively. Having a child and family, job and real life drama combined with a useless joke vote phase AND other Mafia games couldn't possibly been the reason. In your eyes, because you got me playing that now entitles you to put me on a list to be pressured to claim?

At the end you seem to imply you don't want us lynched you just want information to take into the evening, which implies you would be happy with a no lynch as well.

The statement was addressed to jak as Leehar had fastposted ahead of me.

Then IB going after Jak because he is offended by Jak's style of play? Just garbled nonsense.

FOS IronButterfly

Undecided on Neb atm, he could very well be a VT but seems a little strange so far.

Seemed DoomYoshi noticed too.
Might be on to something or might both be retarded.

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

Also, lots of people missing from discussion, myself included. So we should not rush to lynch. Just my thoughts.
Diablo 3 is beta atm so prob gonna be missing a few till Monday at least.

[ghostly447]

Alright, sorry guys, I have to request a replacement. I do not have time to play this game. Sorry everyone, and especially safariguy. If I couldnt get it done on the weekend, I couldnt get it done .

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok, after catching up on 12 pages,

Jak and the bad math argument.
Just doesn't make much sense. If that was his plan to not count properly and use that as a tool to hammer Neb, wouldn't he have a huge target on his back? Not very sneaky.
He does seem like is all over the place though. But that does kind of go with his ruffle feathers plan
Not saying he is anything yet, just that the miscalc wouldn't be very genius.

First post that I read which seemed strange was

OK....seeing how we have 24 people playing and it takes 13 to lynch Neb may as well be the first to claim.

Vote Neb

I believe he is now at L3

Vote Count

IB(1)- jak, Leehar
crazymilkshake(1)- soundman
Neb(11)- Skillfu, eldario, spart, yoshi, everywhere, Neb, cm5, dazza, mob, edoc, IB
betiko(2)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
freezie(1)- jonty

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Your vote made 11 which if I am correct put neb at L2.

Did you miscount when you said he was at L3? or were you hoping that somebody would trust your count and
vote neb to increase pressure (by putting him at what they thought was L2), thus allowing one of your scumbuddies to swoop in and drop the hammer?

Seeing how you have two answers ready to go why not just pick one and vote accordingly.

To me it was an obvious mistake. You however may have a different agenda. I will most definatlely watch more closely what you post.

Ok so this is the first post that stood out to me. IB gets questioned then goes semi offensive instead of explaining.

So you made your list not for the common good of catching scum but in learning tactic of players you are playing? You make no mention of pressuring scum behavior. In essence you are creating a list that fits to your criteria and not anyone else.

What you seem to be saying is that you want others to pressure me to claim not because I have done anything wrong but because I would suit your agenda. You want to learn my tactics, whatever that means. You also seem to believe that you are the reason I am now posting actively. Having a child and family, job and real life drama combined with a useless joke vote phase AND other Mafia games couldn't possibly been the reason. In your eyes, because you got me playing that now entitles you to put me on a list to be pressured to claim?

At the end you seem to imply you don't want us lynched you just want information to take into the evening, which implies you would be happy with a no lynch as well.

The statement was addressed to jak as Leehar had fastposted ahead of me.

Then IB going after Jak because he is offended by Jak's style of play? Just garbled nonsense.

FOS IronButterfly

Undecided on Neb atm, he could very well be a VT but seems a little strange so far.

Seemed DoomYoshi noticed too.
Might be on to something or might both be retarded.

I disagree that jak is Scummy. What I am noticing is a lot of twisting of words and BW jumping. Twisting by IB and neb, BW by hippo and everywhere. I am going to spend the next couple days on a leisurely read through and try to narrow my scope on those 4. Most likely, I will end up voting IB, but that is because we already have a claim from neb and everywhere and hippo have been pretty quiet.

Also, lots of people missing from discussion, myself included. So we should not rush to lynch. Just my thoughts.
Diablo 3 is beta atm so prob gonna be missing a few till Monday at least.

With Chuck I simply called it as i saw it. I made an honest mistake and then he inserted a WIFOM alternative answer that suggests I could be mafia. So I did explain it. He later explained he was trying to get a rise out of me to see how I would react. I would be curious how you would handle such a blatant attempt to "Ruffle a plyers Feathers". He after all acknowledged that that was his intent.

As far as Jak is concerned could you please show where I said I was offended by Jaks playstyle. You imply that because I countered his reasoning I must somehow be offended. In fact it is later on in our exchange that Jak apologizes to me. I told him that there is no need to apologize as we are playing Mafia.

So Cowboyz your main accusation is that I have twisted words and yet I have just shown that you are guilty of just such a transgression.

Please explain this contradiction and please show where I said I was offended by Jaks play.

[edocsil]

Nice of you to make an appearance Ed. You cut and paste and then post two sentences.

If you wish to make a case on me then by all means do so.

There are so many awesome characters in the Matrix and they must all be slow motion bullet proof vigs I guess. Who would imagine a VT in a 24 person game? You can not make the argument that there wont be VT in this game simply because the Matrix is such an Awesome movie with super duper cool characters, which is what you seem to be trying to do.

Unless you have other claims to compare Tank to your accusation is WIFOM and meaningless.

First off, Edoc, Edocsil, and Edoc'sil are all acceptable variants of my name. And I don't quote spam like some of you seem to like to do. it adds little to the game to say something with 200 words that takes only a sentence.

Second off, he played like shit for a VT, and his claim sucks. No offense neb. It doesn't seem like he has much more he can add to this game in terms of night actions, and he is new so hos day input is going to be less valued then an experienced player.

His claim was crap and then all of a sudden everyone assumes he is town, when that claim would be an incredibly simple fake that would require no effort to maintain for a scum, barring a track/watch.

Thirdly you now come rushing to his defense for little purpose I see after I aired slight suspicions about you. This stinks, and I mean to figure out why.

[Iron Butterfly]

Nice of you to make an appearance Ed. You cut and paste and then post two sentences.

If you wish to make a case on me then by all means do so.

There are so many awesome characters in the Matrix and they must all be slow motion bullet proof vigs I guess. Who would imagine a VT in a 24 person game? You can not make the argument that there wont be VT in this game simply because the Matrix is such an Awesome movie with super duper cool characters, which is what you seem to be trying to do.

Unless you have other claims to compare Tank to your accusation is WIFOM and meaningless.

First off, Edoc, Edocsil, and Edoc'sil are all acceptable variants of my name. And I don't quote spam like some of you seem to like to do. it adds little to the game to say something with 200 words that takes only a sentence.

Second off, he played like shit for a VT, and his claim sucks. No offense neb. It doesn't seem like he has much more he can add to this game in terms of night actions, and he is new so hos day input is going to be less valued then an experienced player.

His claim was crap and then all of a sudden everyone assumes he is town, when that claim would be an incredibly simple fake that would require no effort to maintain for a scum, barring a track/watch.

Thirdly you now come rushing to his defense for little purpose I see after I aired slight suspicions about you. This stinks, and I mean to figure out why.

Since when does a VT have anything to offer at night besides being a meat sheild or scum hunting by day? I hate this notion put forth that someone is somehow scummy because they disagree with someones observations. I am not defending Neb the player so much as I am defending the notion that he somehow cant be a VT.

Again you are not the mod so stop acting as if yopu are. You have nothing to compare his claim to. Second in the past you have alwyas been a player who has stated that judging a player as scum vs town on the basis of flavor is very rarely sucessful. He is the first one to claim and you are useing flavor to presume his guilt.

[Nebuchadnezer]

Nice of you to make an appearance Ed. You cut and paste and then post two sentences.

If you wish to make a case on me then by all means do so.

There are so many awesome characters in the Matrix and they must all be slow motion bullet proof vigs I guess. Who would imagine a VT in a 24 person game? You can not make the argument that there wont be VT in this game simply because the Matrix is such an Awesome movie with super duper cool characters, which is what you seem to be trying to do.

Unless you have other claims to compare Tank to your accusation is WIFOM and meaningless.

First off, Edoc, Edocsil, and Edoc'sil are all acceptable variants of my name. And I don't quote spam like some of you seem to like to do. it adds little to the game to say something with 200 words that takes only a sentence.

Second off, he played like shit for a VT, and his claim sucks. No offense neb. It doesn't seem like he has much more he can add to this game in terms of night actions, and he is new so hos day input is going to be less valued then an experienced player.

His claim was crap and then all of a sudden everyone assumes he is town, when that claim would be an incredibly simple fake that would require no effort to maintain for a scum, barring a track/watch.

Thirdly you now come rushing to his defense for little purpose I see after I aired slight suspicions about you. This stinks, and I mean to figure out why.

Sorry, Edoc, I didn't read the VT handbook prior to playing this game. What did you want me to do? Lie low and not say anything? Then you would vote me for being a submariner and new. Please tell me how a VT should play. I think I've explained my actions so far. Nobody else was going to do anything to get conversation going. (please, the Yoshi call was a disaster idea). Yes, I figured I would get cast into the fire, and possibly die for it...and as a VT, I was willing to take that risk. So, whatever...if you think my best use is to die, then kill me. For you, it all boils down to me being new, regardless of my claim...so just keep your vote on me, and you can feel real good about yourself.

As for adding anything else to this game, I think I'll add quite a bit more than, say...SPARTACUS, Eldario, and the few other players who have turtled up and said nothing important. Oh, they come on and say, "I'm catching up, post something later." But somehow, you feel obligated to overlook those players.

As for my claim being crap...talk to Safariguy about it. I hate that everyone here seems to know EXACTLY how safariguy set this game up. It's nice that all of you meta-ers would have made Tank a mason, or a super-powerful-almighty-matrix-surfer. Well, get over it; Tank is just a VT. You can say I'm lying, but don't use the "Tank would be so much cooler if I wrote this game" argument as a sound reason to vote me. It's a terrible reason, and you know it.

Neb

[Nebuchadnezer]

Fastposted by Iron Butterfly...grrr...

[thehippo8]

Can we have a vote count please?

[jak111]

My name is Rosana Masse. I thank everyone for actually standing up to Doom for me here, though I wish it could have been done with more.. subtle hints. I agree, soft claiming is BS, but that wasn't going to stop me from trying to get in a few more days. There's another power I have that requires a certain person lynched by the end of D3 for it to be activated. ~Cough~ Adolf ~Cough~ that would've bought us a night with not a single kill... Now that Doom was kind enough to be so out with my claim, I do wish to either see a claim or lynch with him. It's just not like Doom knowing a fellow townie's role and then continuing to pressure them by any means. That right there just gives me bad vibes from him. I do not know if something is bothering him, affecting his mood, but if there is not, then this case is worth pursuing to the full.

Fastposted once, +1 vote count would be nice.

[jak111]

EBWOP o.O... this is the wrong thread... Sorry

[Nebuchadnezer]

EBWOP o.O... this is the wrong thread... Sorry

Lol...I was like...who?

[jak111]

EBWOP o.O... this is the wrong thread... Sorry

Lol...I was like...who?

Definitely I thought I was some elderly lady a few 100 years after WW2 who saves people o.O Haha, it took me until I actually rechecked both threads to notice what happened.