HP: fight for freedom. Game over. Wizards won.

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:31 pm

Unvote Jonty if I did vote for him. It'd be pretty tough for that not to be counter-claimed, so I'm inclined to believe him

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:40 pm

i have to go on a sea coarse from friday the 9th till sunday the 11th so will have no internet access just letting everyone know

chapcrap · Post by **chapcrap** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:42 pm

That's definitely not what I was hoping for...unvote

Obviously, whoever is the doctor, needs to be saving Harry every night. As we have a win condition of Voldemort dying, the Death Eaters may have a WC of killing Harry. That would definitely even out the strength of Harry's power.

I'll be working on my list and putting it up later today hopefully.

I would say that the scene that this game has opened with is from the end of the 7th book/8th movie. By that time, Hagrid's spider had already died. The goblins did not take place in the battle mentioned. The centaurs could be a third party group. I had forgotten about them. The giants probably could be as well. Centaurs are more aligned with Harry's side. Giants more with the Death Eaters.

I'll finish and post my list later tonight hopefully.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:20 pm

chapcrap wrote:That's definitely not what I was hoping for...unvote

Obviously, whoever is the doctor, needs to be saving Harry every night. As we have a win condition of Voldemort dying, the Death Eaters may have a WC of killing Harry. That would definitely even out the strength of Harry's power.

I'll be working on my list and putting it up later today hopefully.

I would say that the scene that this game has opened with is from the end of the 7th book/8th movie. By that time, Hagrid's spider had already died. The goblins did not take place in the battle mentioned. The centaurs could be a third party group. I had forgotten about them. The giants probably could be as well. Centaurs are more aligned with Harry's side. Giants more with the Death Eaters.

I'll finish and post my list later tonight hopefully.

The goblins are not likely in this game yes. Nor is the spider unless Freezie was trying to put in an SK to quicken the pace but that's unlikely (and arguably the basilisk wouldn't be a bad SK choice either though more linked to Tom Riddle aka Voldemort in the second book). THe scene does say something about bringing people back who shouldn't be here

Spoiler

(*cough* Dumbledore *cough* *cough* Sirius *cough*)

. I don't know how literally to take the scene to be honest. As far as Harry. it's not a chance we can take this early in the game that we may depend on his life but not necessarily the case. Rather I think the case is likely that Voldemort is probably insanely hard to kill by anyone who isn't Harry. Canon-wise Harry would also be almost impossible for Voldemort to kill (other Death Eaters could probably take him out easily enough but Voldemort had a strict "I must be the one to kill Harry Potter" philosophy (Harry was a good wizard but the spells he was particularly good at tended to be the Expecto Patronum charm which is mostly effective against Dementors but not so much wizards or anything else and the expelliarmus charms which I think was a bit undersold in the books but not good for defense against multiple enemies)). Again definitely would NOT be willing to take that chance.

I may have said this earlier but I'm going to again. While Harry, Ron and Hermione are almost guaranteed to be in the game. There are a lot of major to semi-major characters within the Harry Potter universe who would make good fake claims.

safariguy5 · Post by **safariguy5** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:28 pm

Well, I take some solace in the fact that Harry isn't the cop. I suppose the mafia could roleblock him every night, but that just allows our investigative roles to gather good info.

Anyways, I'm going to unvote vote Nebuchadnezzar for once again submarining. Seems like the only way we can get him to post is to apply pressure and this is going to be detrimental to getting lynches later on in the game.

thehippo8 · Post by **thehippo8** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:00 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Well, I take some solace in the fact that Harry isn't the cop. I suppose the mafia could roleblock him every night, but that just allows our investigative roles to gather good info.

Anyways, I'm going to unvote vote Nebuchadnezzar for once again submarining. Seems like the only way we can get him to post is to apply pressure and this is going to be detrimental to getting lynches later on in the game.

unvote

I would have expected a counter-claim by now if he was lying. Oh Harry, please be careful - they can see you boy!!

In the meantime, rather than a hunch, this is still day one so IMHO pressure voting remains our best hope. I have to agree that the best option here is to vote Nebuchadnezzar

mc05025 · Post by **mc05025** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:14 pm

Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.

SPARTACUS1974 · Post by **SPARTACUS1974** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:21 pm

mc05025 wrote:Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.

what is not to believe? no one in their right mind would fake claim harry potter .
and i took my vote asap so he did not get lynched how do we know if thats not someone else's endgame to kill harry they win?

Iron Butterfly · Post by **Iron Butterfly** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:28 pm

mc05025 wrote:Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.

You assume alot. Day one is about pressuring. Most Day one lynches turn out to be BS anyways. At this point you either beleive him or you do not. I choose to beleive him.

Unvote Jonty

At least we know how to martial our resources night one.

Outing Harry Potter proves most day one cases are hot air. Jonty made a mistake and was jumped on, which has to be expected in a game this large. On day one the pressuring is the goal not discovering if they were Town or Mafia. To say that Jonty was acting scummy and then find him to be our Protagonist with the ability to kill Vol....He who shall not be named, shows me at least that scum tells more often then not are a matter of perspective. Its a guessing game for the most part.

If Harry were not outed by pressure he could of just as easily been targeted by a night kill randomly. I also have a feeling that there are built in precautions to prevent end game scenarios right away such as Harry perhaps targeting a paranoid gun owner. At least I would hope there would be.

Right now speculation on my part is complete WIFO...but He will be protected. He will be watched. He is now nore free to investigate. Of course the downside is Mafia now know who Harry Potter is.

Leehar · Post by **Leehar** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:30 pm

strike wolf wrote: I may have said this earlier but I'm going to again. While Harry, Ron and Hermione are almost guaranteed to be in the game. There are a lot of major to semi-major characters within the Harry Potter universe who would make good fake claims.

Yeah, but because it there are so many major/semi-major characted, you can't always be safe in your fakeclaim, so it'll still be a risk for the Mafia whenever they claim since there's no way to know who Freezie picked or didn't!

mc05025 wrote:Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.

As I explained, my reasoning was similar to what you pointed out. But additionally, while I suppose it may be a risk that the mafia took (I'd assume it'd have to be unilateral on jonty's part since I don't think Mafia can plot shenanigans until the night phase), there's a two-fold quandary in that I'm not sure if it's worth it for the real harry to expose himself (since there wouldn't be any way to tell which of the 2 is 'real'), and I'm unsure if in a game of this size with I suspect 4 or 5 Mafia, whether losing a mafia member for Harry is a worthwhile trade-off? On the 1 comparison chart I saw, the closest trade-off was 1.2:1 for a doc:mafia, so even that isn't worth it for mafia to sacrifice themselves?

There's 18 players in this game, so I think there's still a couple of other inactives, but I'm fine voting for Neb (over Sparticus?)
Vote Nebuchadnezer

mc05025 · Post by **mc05025** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 3:52 pm

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:
mc05025 wrote:Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.
what is not to believe? no one in their right mind would fake claim harry potter .
and i took my vote asap so he did not get lynched how do we know if thats not someone else's endgame to kill harry they win?

when you unvote it was L-3.

You could have waited a little. The real Harry Potter might do not want to give his identity. If he is a strong but vulnerable character he might should not give his identity to deatheaters when the wizard people are between 2 people. But Harry Potter could have voted him (but not if he is alone because that way deatheaters will might kill him either way at night). Anyway its complicated but everyone unvote so quickly seems strange to me

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:25 pm

Leehar wrote:
strike wolf wrote: I may have said this earlier but I'm going to again. While Harry, Ron and Hermione are almost guaranteed to be in the game. There are a lot of major to semi-major characters within the Harry Potter universe who would make good fake claims.
Yeah, but because it there are so many major/semi-major characted, you can't always be safe in your fakeclaim, so it'll still be a risk for the Mafia whenever they claim since there's no way to know who Freezie picked or didn't!

Depends. Freezie may have given out fake claims.

@MC: part of the deal is the case was BS to begin with and more than one person on the wagon even seemed to acknowledge it while voting him. So I'm not surprised that the strongest claim in the game warranted town backing off of him quickly.

Bleed_Green · Post by **Bleed_Green** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 4:37 pm

jonty125 wrote:OK guys, sorry I haven't posted in a bit my sis' birthday party & my internet connection has caused me to miss 48 hours but I am Harry Potter (Wizard Hero). Every night I may "investigate" someone if they are Voldemort, they die, we win. Going to have another read of the pages since my previous post to see if there was anything particularly scummy.

Unvote this is just a fast post still reading but do not want a quick lynch for deatheaters... continuing my reading right now

Bleed_Green · Post by **Bleed_Green** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:11 pm

I am going to have to go back at look at all the points that have been presented on Spartacus, but Neb still being completely inactive sine pg 12 Feb.29th

Neb has gone back under since pg.12 (Feb.29th), there is case presented on Spartacus that I need to go back and look at it from the beginning. If I am correct the deadline is for March 8th so the case that we come up with has to be a solid one.

Freezie can I please have an update vote count

I am really having some problems with the inactive cases because there are a few people that come in and out every couples days but people in here have stated that this is their regular came play....

safariguy5 · Post by **safariguy5** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:12 pm

Bleed_Green wrote:I am going to have to go back at look at all the points that have been presented on Spartacus, but Neb still being completely inactive sine pg 12 Feb.29th

Neb has gone back under since pg.12 (Feb.29th), there is case presented on Spartacus that I need to go back and look at it from the beginning. If I am correct the deadline is for March 8th so the case that we come up with has to be a solid one.

Freezie can I please have an update vote count

I am really having some problems with the inactive cases because there are a few people that come in and out every couples days but people in here have stated that this is their regular came play....

Personally, I think everyone should be able to comment on the game once a day. One post every day or every other day I think shows an appropriate amount of activity.

Certainly, some people tend to post less, even more so if they're new. And also, holidays and weekends tends to cause a drop in the activity.

But even so, specifically calling people out for scummarining and doing it yourself twice is just ridiculous.

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:35 pm

Alt1978 and Nebuchadnezer have been prodded. They ahve 24 hours to post or I shall look for a replacement.

spiesr · Post by **spiesr** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:01 pm

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:what is not to believe? no one in their right mind would fake claim harry potter .
and i took my vote asap so he did not get lynched how do we know if thats not someone else's endgame to kill harry they win?

Well, if someone decided that since they aren't terribly good a fake-claiming that they would be lynched anyway, I could see someone trying to draw out a likely important town power role.
But, in this case I do believe Jonty.

Leehar wrote:Yeah, but because it there are so many major/semi-major characted, you can't always be safe in your fakeclaim, so it'll still be a risk for the Mafia whenever they claim since there's no way to know who Freezie picked or didn't!

Unless Freezie told them. I don't recall what his stance on giving the mafia fake-claims is.

alt1978 · Post by **alt1978** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 7:14 pm

I can't say that this is a good day one. I wasn't inclined to buy the jonty bw....and I don't buy the neb case either. My feeling is that it is skummier to band wagon on a poor case than to abstain from one. I have a case in mind but will need to study the pages a bit more and post tonight.
Lesson learned...next time I will be more vocal about not buying a case being made.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:04 pm

I'm sticking to my spartacus vote for now. Neb's case is fairly strong for day 1. made the comment where it seemed he would be wary of submariners and now has submarined twice already. Sparticus seemed to jump on MC after misreading when Mc's last post was and then jumped on Jonty semi-OMGusly for making a misstep. I would have thought that would make Spartacus at least a bit more empathetic to making missteps but instead he was more critical than anyone on Jonty's case.

Nebuchadnezer · Post by **Nebuchadnezer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:16 pm

Prod received. Has it really been that long? I guess time gets away from me.

I wasn't going to jump on the Jonty case, as I haven't been too active myself, and that would seem a little hypocritical. These large games have me perplexed as to where/when I can jump in. I think those votes got us something useful though. I need to have a solid read through of the entire game so far to see what's showing up. Give me a couple hours and I'll get back with some observations. I would suggest that we allow the doc only to protect Jonty. Otherwise, we run the risk of someone busdriving him and the doc protects the wrong guy and Jonty's left out in the open for a kill, etc., ect. A lot of WIFOM, but you get the idea.

Okay, brb...

Nebuchadnezer · Post by **Nebuchadnezer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:19 pm

Oh, and it is beyond me why people are so skeptical to think that Jonty would even try a fake claim at Harry. Anyone who exhibits any doubt on his claim should really be looked at closer.

Nebuchadnezer · Post by **Nebuchadnezer** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:26 pm

Well, it looks like a triple post...

jonty125 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote: Your format?? You should be the last person to remind me about your format.
lol. You got lynched over that

I don’t know how I missed this earlier…but a big LOL!

Anyway, on to the serious stuff...

Something doesn't isn't sitting right with thehippo8. I know his vote hopping has been addressed, but this vote below is pretty indicative of his voting, it seems.

thehippo8 wrote:Time to go ...unvote: vote jonty

A vote without any reason but..."time to go"?? Way to bandwagon on Harry Potter for no reason.

mc05025 wrote:
SPARTACUS1974 wrote:
mc05025 wrote:Hmmmm. You guys very easily believed him.

On the other hand as soon as its a Harry Potter story there should be a Harry Potter character. So if jonty125 is lying about being Harry Potter then the real Harry should have at least voted him. But it seems like there is none who still suspected him so I have to beleive him too. But the way anyone unvoted him very quickly seams suspicious to me.
what is not to believe? no one in their right mind would fake claim harry potter .
and i took my vote asap so he did not get lynched how do we know if thats not someone else's endgame to kill harry they win?
when you unvote it was L-3.

You could have waited a little. The real Harry Potter might do not want to give his identity. If he is a strong but vulnerable character he might should not give his identity to deatheaters when the wizard people are between 2 people. But Harry Potter could have voted him (but not if he is alone because that way deatheaters will might kill him either way at night). Anyway its complicated but everyone unvote so quickly seems strange to me

mc52093029345094875 has me confused as heck here. He says that people took their votes off of Jonty too quickly on the off chance that the "real" Harry would vote for him? Great idea MC12345! Let's keep the votes on Jonty, "just in case" there is a counterclaim from the "real" Harry Potter. Nevermind that mafia could come in an speedhammer perhaps our best and most vital role. Either mc54321 has no concept of the worth of Jonty's claim, or he's mafia trying to cast doubt on Jonty. Either way, it's a stupid play at best.

Vote MC05025

And to all those who seek to hang me for my activity, take note how well your Jonty hunt turned out...activity is not necessarily the best gauge on Day 1.

Neb

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:36 pm

Jonty's case wasn't about inactivity...

freezie · Post by **freezie** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:37 pm

Vote Count:

Nebuchadnezer(3): TheHipp8, Safari, leehar

Spartacus(4): Spiesr, Mchammer, Jonty, Strike

Jonty(1): Dazza

Mchammer(1): Everywhere

Strike_wolf(1): Drake

Djfireside(1): Alt

Bleed_green(1): Nebuxhadnezer

Deadline in 4 days.

strike wolf · Post by **strike wolf** » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:39 pm

freezie wrote:Vote Count:

Nebuchadnezer(3): TheHipp8, Safari, leehar

Spartacus(3): Spiesr, Mchammer, Jonty

Jonty(1): Dazza

Mchammer(1): Everywhere

Strike_wolf(1): Drake

Djfireside(1): Alt

Bleed_green(1): Nebuxhadnezer

Deadline in 4 days.

I should also have my vote on Spartacus

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