Get Rich from the Bank [5/12] Town Wins!

[Sundog308]

Haven't had a chance to catch up with this since Saturday night. I'll get back soon.

[Leitz]

I'm not sure if us claiming is going to get us any further. If we do we'll have all claimed. Any third party with a player objective will manage to succeed if he survives the lynches in D3. That could potentially be dangerous. I'm more keen to say we should follow IBs idea whose willingness to die for town does seem like a good plan, but only IF we know how day lynch works and roles our shown afterwards (like I said in my previous post).

You dont even need to claim. We just need to know if either you or cat where able to Night kill someone.

Deuce has been not been on site. So he could not do a night kill. His Rez is most likely part of his role.

[quote="Sundog30]Haven't had a chance to catch up with this since Saturday night. I'll get back soon.[/quote]
I'll wait until Sundogs post before taking any further action to give him the opportunity to catch up & state his opinion about the day lynch.

[Iron Butterfly]

I do find it odd Mob is active everywhere but here.

[MoB Deadly]

Oh shoot - I am here I am here. I was going to post then got interrupted for dinner, then the forum was marked read so I thought I posted already - posting now

[MoB Deadly]

Ok IB, you have prodded for a protection/doc role to come out multiple times and there are no bites at all. I mean there really can be no healing roles :-/. Thats why I think a mass claim could be beneficial in this situation.

As for Sundog killing you. I think he should kill someone else. With your dispute with Rodion I am 90% sure you are Town. So why doesnt he test his role on someone more fishy? I kinda wish I WASNT bulletproof at this point, to help get to the bottom of this. Again I think we need everyone to claim to accurately say who Sundog should shoot today.

MoB said that he did not know if he was bulletproof once, or multiple times, yet he posted a link explaining his role, in which the issue of being one-shot bulletproof vs. multiple times bulletproof was clearly mentioned. If I had been assigned this role, and had researched it, I would have been extremely curious about this aspect, and would have PMed the mod to ask for clarification. It seems odd to me that MoB apparently did not do this, as MoB stated that the mod "didn't say", not that the mod "wouldn't say", as in "didn't say in the original PM", vs "wouldn't say after being PMed about it". A very small detail, yet we are looking for small details now, I think. Also, MoB did vote to lynch Zimmah extremely quickly; I don't have a problem with the vote itself, given the situation, but the speed of it bothered me at the time, and still does a bit. FOS MoB

As a moderator myself, I knew I did not need former clarification. If I was X-shot bulletproof. It would say it, otherwise its assumable that its infinite. There would be phrases like, you have a bulletproof that can withstand 2 shots, or you have 3 bulletproof vests you can wear. Something along those lines. But it just says I am bulletproof, therefore I can assume I am bulletproof until I die.

Also I lynched Zimmah so quickly because It was obvious his claim was fake. I said it THE MINUTE he claimed that it was fishy. And as I casted the hammer I said that Rodion was mafia. I wish he wasn't mod killed so I can prove my allegiance to the town and voted for him today.

[Iron Butterfly]

Cat and Lietz have been tip toeing around claiming any thing at all.

I think they are over thinking the ramifications of revealing their roles.

If they turn out to be doc and the other can night kill or had a one shot nk ability it will be game over if there is one killer.

If there are two killers, town is screwed because we need a 4 vote majority to lynch. The only way we can get past that is for Sundog to use his ability and hope he takes out a killer and then the rest have to figure out who the other killer is and lynch.

[catnipdreams]

Should we move ahead with this, or should we wait for deuce's replacement?

[catnipdreams]

And I still want sundog to explain the details of his role before we go any further with anything....

[Sundog308]

At this point I'm more than a little uncomfortable using my ability today, there are still way too many variables.

Let's say I kill IB and we both turn town, that leaves us with either:

a)2 town/1 mafia/1 third-party (my current belief)
or
b)3 town/1 mafia (IB's current belief)

Scenario A requires a three vote majority to lynch. If you lynch town or third party, it's an automatic mafia win as they will do the night kill and win the game.

Scenario B still requires a three vote majority, but with a greater percentage of town winning. This vote has to be decided before I send any kind of PM because again, lynch a townie and it's an automatic mafia win.

I think that leaves us with only one-option for today: we have to identify the third party killer (or more beneficially) mafia, and lynch them today. We simply don't have the numbers for me to attack and let the scenario play itself out.

Cat, as far as the details of my ability go, everything seems to be out on the table.
- It's a day or night kill, my choice.
- I PM Skill and we get scene, followed by the rest of day (or the rest of the night scene depending on the time of death)
- My PM says I can kill whomever I choose. It didn't specify how, simply that I could.

At this point, with two killers in play I think it just as beneficial to lynch a killer as it is to lynch a mafia. I'd rather save my ability for tomorrow's day actions.

unvote, Vote Iron Butterfly

[MoB Deadly]

Hmmmmm again Sundog does things that are "weird".

I didnt like his claim, I couldnt even find it on google.

IB (who I believe is the most townish person here, suggested him to kill today, which I thought was a good idea too).

Sundog shoots it down, which immediately makes me think that Sundog is lying scum.

However, If I know I'm town and I think IB is town, then someone between Lietz and Cat must be scum. So why would Sundog start his own bandwagon, instead of voting with one of his scummates? Which makes me think he is town again.......

I dont know what to do with this game grrrrrr. Either way Sundog, you NEED to use your power today, we may not have another day.

[Iron Butterfly]

At this point I'm more than a little uncomfortable using my ability today, there are still way too many variables.

Let's say I kill IB and we both turn town, that leaves us with either:

a)2 town/1 mafia/1 third-party (my current belief)
or
b)3 town/1 mafia (IB's current belief)

Scenario A requires a three vote majority to lynch. If you lynch town or third party, it's an automatic mafia win as they will do the night kill and win the game.

Scenario B still requires a three vote majority, but with a greater percentage of town winning. This vote has to be decided before I send any kind of PM because again, lynch a townie and it's an automatic mafia win.



I think that leaves us with only one-option for today: we have to identify the third party killer (or more beneficially) mafia, and lynch them today. We simply don't have the numbers for me to attack and let the scenario play itself out.

Cat, as far as the details of my ability go, everything seems to be out on the table.
- It's a day or night kill, my choice.
- I PM Skill and we get scene, followed by the rest of day (or the rest of the night scene depending on the time of death)
- My PM says I can kill whomever I choose. It didn't specify how, simply that I could.

At this point, with two killers in play I think it just as beneficial to lynch a killer as it is to lynch a mafia. I'd rather save my ability for tomorrow's day actions.

unvote, Vote Iron Butterfly

The only way you can prove you are not lieing is by using your ability on me. You have just put your vote on me so you must beleive I am the bad guy. Why would you want to lynch and go into night? If I am Mafia your sacrifice will kill me. If there are two killers you can take me out, you after all beleive I am one, and that wouls still give town a chance to ferret out the secon by a lynch.

You are fibbing. You wont use your ability because you cant. If you lynch me and I turn to be VT we will go directly into night, which will let you get a night kill. Your role, if it were real, would be desighned for just this type of scenario. You beleive I am a Mafia/third party. Why would you pass up a kill you are so certian of? If you are so sure Mob and I are the killers then kill me. If I turn up as a bad guy and the game is not over you can then vote Mob out.

I find great irony in the fact in that I am begging a person to kill me to prove he is lieing. There are not two killers in play. That is the only way Sundog can argue to stay alive. This is why we need to know if Cat or Lietz can night kill

[Leitz]

However, If I know I'm town and I think IB is town, then someone between Lietz and Cat must be scum. So why would Sundog start his own bandwagon, instead of voting with one of his scummates? Which makes me think he is town again.......

I think he's just trying to get the heat off him. Iron Butterfly has said he is willing to die for town by letting Sundog daykill him. Either he is excellent disguise, but that made it clear he is town-aligned. Sundog is refusing to use his powers, which in a situation like this with so many claims already in the open, it is very odd! My suspicion of Sundog has re-ignited.

Sundog, you'll have to step up and kill somebody TODAY! I'm fully convinced IB is town now, so maybe we could suggest he lynches somebody else? I'm still not convinced MoB is town so Sundog could kill Mob?

[MoB Deadly]

I would suggest that, but Im bulletproof remember.... Vigilantes typically shoot with guns. I guess he could PM the mod and ask if he will reveal what type of weapon he attacks with.

Hey Leitz, could you remind me why your vote is on me? I feel like I have refuted your points with valid reasons, can you let me know why you still find me scummy?

[Leitz]

I would suggest that, but Im bulletproof remember.... Vigilantes typically shoot with guns. I guess he could PM the mod and ask if he will reveal what type of weapon he attacks with.

Hey Leitz, could you remind me why your vote is on me? I feel like I have refuted your points with valid reasons, can you let me know why you still find me scummy?

Ow yeah, forgot about the bulletproof thing, my bad! My vote still stands on you as I believed you to be the scummiest. IB, catnip, Deuce and I are to my beliefs town. So that left Sundog or you and I had a bigger suspicion on you than over Sundog. Things have changed since I stated that vote so for now:

Unvote

If we continue along the day kill of Sundog on IB and both turn out to be town, you will be targeted again.

[Iron Butterfly]

However, If I know I'm town and I think IB is town, then someone between Lietz and Cat must be scum. So why would Sundog start his own bandwagon, instead of voting with one of his scummates? Which makes me think he is town again.......

I think he's just trying to get the heat off him. Iron Butterfly has said he is willing to die for town by letting Sundog daykill him. Either he is excellent disguise, but that made it clear he is town-aligned. Sundog is refusing to use his powers, which in a situation like this with so many claims already in the open, it is very odd! My suspicion of Sundog has re-ignited.

Sundog, you'll have to step up and kill somebody TODAY! I'm fully convinced IB is town now, so maybe we could suggest he lynches somebody else? I'm still not convinced MoB is town so Sundog could kill Mob?

We also need to know what your role is lietz. We need to lnow where the second kill came from.

[MoB Deadly]

WE NEED FAKECLAIMS, *OOPS* I MEAN REAL CLAIMS. FROM LEITZ AND CATNIP.

LETS UNFOG THIS GAME AND WIN.

[MoB Deadly]

[Leehar]

I don't mind replacing for Deuce if I'm needed?

[Leitz]

Because of all the pressure that catnip & I should reveal our roles, I've decided to do so but not completely: I'll admit at killing jonty.

I don't mind replacing for Deuce if I'm needed?

That would be useful, although I believe this game should not be too long anymore (hopefully) as town should finish this off.

[Iron Butterfly]

Because of all the pressure that catnip & I should reveal our roles, I've decided to do so but not completely: I'll admit at killing jonty.

I don't mind replacing for Deuce if I'm needed?

That would be useful, although I believe this game should not be too long anymore (hopefully) as town should finish this off.

If sundog refuses to kill me, or he cant we must lynch him as he is the bad guy.

We need to be 100% sure. We need to know Cats role. I would suspect that Lietz could be a CPR doc, town JOAT or Vig of some sort. He has claimed one of those kills. I would hate to have gone through all of this only to find out Sundog and Mob are telling the truth while Cat was hiding in plain site. While I dont beleive Cat is Mafia/Third party we need to be to know.

I think lietz is catching on as to how this will play out, thank goodness.

We can only know if Sundog is telling the truth if he kills me.

[MoB Deadly]

At first I thought Leitz was clear. I went back to Scene number two, and Jonty was killed with a knife. Did peak my interest because its common knowledge that Serial Killers kill with knives. So I double checked myself and went back to Night 1:

The attacker manager to get close to his target before he could give him his shot, he was taken down by another.

Pancakemix “Husband Eric” 3rd Party Poisoner, Lover has been killed.

So. It is clear that Leitz (or someone) also gets credit for the kill on PCM. I am almost certain Leitz and Sundog are scum at this point.

If sundog wanted to prove his innocence, he should kill Leitz.

unvote vote leitz

[Leitz]

At first I thought Leitz was clear. I went back to Scene number two, and Jonty was killed with a knife. Did peak my interest because its common knowledge that Serial Killers kill with knives. So I double checked myself and went back to Night 1:

The attacker manager to get close to his target before he could give him his shot, he was taken down by another.

Pancakemix “Husband Eric” 3rd Party Poisoner, Lover has been killed.

So. It is clear that Leitz (or someone) also gets credit for the kill on PCM. I am almost certain Leitz and Sundog are scum at this point.

If sundog wanted to prove his innocence, he should kill Leitz.

unvote vote leitz

Two reasons why I'm not scum:

1. Zimmah investigated me, I am innocent. Despite everything he is still town in the end and has towns best interest at heart. There is no reason why he would lie about my position in this game.
2. If I would really be scum, why would I kill a scum buddy? That's plain ridiculous!

With N2 having 2 deaths, 1 mafia and 1 town. How would you explain the town kill then? A second killer on the lose? We've all indirectly agreed that there is only one mafia left. I know it's not me, so either catnip has done a really good job at submarining, or it's you or sundog and in the latter case we've got a town win if we force Sundog to day kill IB.

[skillfusniper33]

Leehar is replacing duecess, hopefully it will get you that extra person for the vote and a little more discussion.

[MoB Deadly]

At first I thought Leitz was clear. I went back to Scene number two, and Jonty was killed with a knife. Did peak my interest because its common knowledge that Serial Killers kill with knives. So I double checked myself and went back to Night 1:

The attacker manager to get close to his target before he could give him his shot, he was taken down by another.

Pancakemix “Husband Eric” 3rd Party Poisoner, Lover has been killed.

So. It is clear that Leitz (or someone) also gets credit for the kill on PCM. I am almost certain Leitz and Sundog are scum at this point.

If sundog wanted to prove his innocence, he should kill Leitz.

unvote vote leitz

Two reasons why I'm not scum:

1. Zimmah investigated me, I am innocent. Despite everything he is still town in the end and has towns best interest at heart. There is no reason why he would lie about my position in this game.
2. If I would really be scum, why would I kill a scum buddy? That's plain ridiculous!

With N2 having 2 deaths, 1 mafia and 1 town. How would you explain the town kill then? A second killer on the lose? We've all indirectly agreed that there is only one mafia left. I know it's not me, so either catnip has done a really good job at submarining, or it's you or sundog and in the latter case we've got a town win if we force Sundog to day kill IB.

Okay - unvote

I forgot about Zimmahs investigation.

Can you confirm if you targeted PCM Day 1?


Leitz I never said you were "mafia" 2 night kills a night would be OP. However it is possible you are a Serial Killer. I have personally make the Serial Killer immune to investigations in several of my modded games.

I request a full name claim from you, we need an explanation why your weapon of choice is a knife.

[MoB Deadly]

For an example: Here is an example PM I have used in a game:

PLAYER, You are the Third-Party Serial Killer. Every night you may choose someone to kill. You will kill them with a knife. You are bulletproof, and immune to cop investigations.

You win when you are the last player standing. Go confirm in the thread.

If you have any questions, PM me!