South Park Mafia 2 Town Wins!

[blakebowling]

Just thought I'd note there are less than 12 hours left in Night 1. I'm still missing some night actions so if you haven't sent yours in please do so immediately.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

zzzzzzzz

[blakebowling]

I apologize, the night ran over a bit as I was writing an important paper for class.

I'll double check everything and get a scene posted some time this afternoon.

[blakebowling]

A little boy in the town was starting to ask questions, starting to wonder if one of the residents really belonged in his small town of South Park. No sooner than he was about to make contact with his suspect, a man standing in front of the town gym fired his weapon.

safariguy5 - Eric Cartman (Town JOAT) has been killed!

On the other side of town, a young man thought someone was in danger. As he came to rescue a girl asleep in her bed, sure there would be an attack. To his suprise, the last thing Wendy heard was "Oh Hamburgers!"

Iron Butterfly - Wendy Testaburger (Vanilla Townie) has been killed!

It is now Day 2.

[spiesr]

Two deaths, not a good way to start out in a game of this size. Two killing forces could devastate the town pretty quickly if we are not careful.

On the other side of town, a young man thought someone was in danger. As he came to rescue a girl asleep in her bed, sure there would be an attack. To his suprise, the last thing Wendy heard was "Oh Hamburgers!"

Although, looking at this bit from the scene, the flavor just screams CPR doc. If that is the case, it raises a few questions. Did the person really think the Iron Butterfly was the most likely target for a kill night 1? Or were they going for the kill as a pseudo vig? Either way, you need to play that role carefully man...

[safariguy5]

Damn it, I didn't even last as long as in the first South Park Mafia.

Respect mah authoritah!

[Iron Butterfly]

Guns dont kill people people do.

[zimmah]

Damn it, I didn't even last as long as in the first South Park Mafia.

Respect mah authoritah!

aw too bad cartman died. not even kenny died.

[zimmah]

Two deaths, not a good way to start out in a game of this size. Two killing forces could devastate the town pretty quickly if we are not careful.

On the other side of town, a young man thought someone was in danger. As he came to rescue a girl asleep in her bed, sure there would be an attack. To his suprise, the last thing Wendy heard was "Oh Hamburgers!"

Although, looking at this bit from the scene, the flavor just screams CPR doc. If that is the case, it raises a few questions. Did the person really think the Iron Butterfly was the most likely target for a kill night 1? Or were they going for the kill as a pseudo vig? Either way, you need to play that role carefully man...

i don't think i have seen that role before, CPR doc. is it some kind of insane doc?

[drake_259]

Two deaths, not a good way to start out in a game of this size. Two killing forces could devastate the town pretty quickly if we are not careful.

On the other side of town, a young man thought someone was in danger. As he came to rescue a girl asleep in her bed, sure there would be an attack. To his suprise, the last thing Wendy heard was "Oh Hamburgers!"

Although, looking at this bit from the scene, the flavor just screams CPR doc. If that is the case, it raises a few questions. Did the person really think the Iron Butterfly was the most likely target for a kill night 1? Or were they going for the kill as a pseudo vig? Either way, you need to play that role carefully man...

i don't think i have seen that role before, CPR doc. is it some kind of insane doc?

vig and doctor combined.

CPR will protect someone, if they get targeted for a kill the cpr will save them. if they are not targeted for a kill then the cpr will kill them instead

[dazza2008]

Looks to me like a CPR doc. I think they should have played it more carefully. I can't believe safari was not protected. Thats not good JOAT would have helped us alot here. We are down 3 townies so we need to tread carefully now. Does anyone have anything useful to go on?

[Epitaph1]

Butters is the CPR doc, how fitting.

I'll read through D1 when later in the day when I have more time. Nothing from the scene stands out so far, but I'm sure we have Policeman Barbrady in the group. I hope he found something.

[spiesr]

Well, since none of you people seem to have any inclination to do some scum hunting, or build a case, or post at all, it looks like I will have to do it my self. Now pay attention class, what follows is a redimentarry, and frankly pretty weak, case, but what do you expect, all I have to go on is the posts from day one and there aren't even that many of those.

Thats why I suck...I screwed up the rules again.
Vote Iron Butterfly

If we have any investigative roles, please check him out tonight. There's a chance that he's some sort of mafia, but from what I can tell he's most likely Kenny... aka probably jester.

Here slowreactor makes one of the first serious posts of the game, and what does he do with it? He tries to direct the cop. We now know that Iron Butterfly was actually town, so this post could possibly be Slowreactor trying to influence the cop's action and direct it away from himself and his scum buddies. I personally find trying to direct power roles like this to be moderately scummy when the person doesn't have a very good and specific reason behind it.

vote spiesr for having a name that is hard for me to say and remember how to spell, mkay?

<3 MR MACKEY

Slowreactor certainly seems to believe Wildwilliam's pseudo character claim.

So william did you just admit to skimming?
unvote vote WildWilliam.

But before long he hops onto the train against Wildwilliam, parroting the somewhat weak reasoning of LSU's post immediately prior. Hell, this reasoning is not even correct. The accusation of skimming was in response to this post.

vote spiesr for having a name that is hard for me to say and remember how to spell, mkay?

unvote vote williamits just as easy to spell as yours, break it down spies + r easy peasy

Listen, mkay, just because you can spell and read, does not mean that everyone else can mkay. And that is no reason to vote for someone, mkay, just because of their lack of reading.
Drugs are bad mkay?

Does anything in this post look like Wildwilliam is implying that he was skimming? It seems to me to be more or less a joke about him being semi illiterate. How exactly did Slowreactor pull an admittance of skimming out of here?
Another point about this vote is that the timing was key. Slowreactor's vote was the third one on Wildwilliam, and at a time when Slowreactor had three votes himself. There is a decent chance that Slowreactor was getting woried about having the lead in votes, which can be deadly on day one once people start feeling some pressure from the deadline, and took this chance to get the ball rolling on Wildwilliam, hoping that momentum would push that case past his own in prominence. As you can see from reading back in day 1 this ends up working out, as Wildwilliam's mistake when responding to Safariguy pushes him past the point of no return. Soon, people frustrated by Wildwilliam's annoying posts and poor self defense, latch onto the only case going anywhere and his then inevitable lynch quickly follows. Wildwilliam really dug his own grave, but Slowreactor gave him the shovel.
Anyhow, since I see entirely nothing else to really go on right now, Vote Slowreactor.

[blakebowling]

Notice:
usAir has replaced boomeranghamster

[usAir]

Confirm. re-reading thread, will post again with thoughts. Btw, this is my first mafia game, so you may have to bear with me a bit.

[drunkmonkey]

No one seems to be coming forward with anything helpful from the night, and I think this case has some merit.

vote slowreactor

[usAir]

It would be wise for you to fully claim your role william, if you hope to get anyone to unvote

Everyone knows my role and I am doomed for a Lynch. When it happens please look to safari and speisr.

Not even going to attempt to roleclaim at L-2? Your response is: "I said 'mmkay' in my posts, so the guys who don't believe me are scum"?

unvote vote wildwilliam

VOTE: drunkmonkey--From wild's softclaim, it would be fairly easy to guess Mr. Mackey, Vanilla Townie. Also, so far, you've jumped on bandwagons, and haven't tried to get any real info out of anyone. Also, FOS spiesr, but I have to read the thread more, and monkey seems more scummy.

[zimmah]

It would be wise for you to fully claim your role william, if you hope to get anyone to unvote

Everyone knows my role and I am doomed for a Lynch. When it happens please look to safari and speisr.

Not even going to attempt to roleclaim at L-2? Your response is: "I said 'mmkay' in my posts, so the guys who don't believe me are scum"?

unvote vote wildwilliam

VOTE: drunkmonkey--From wild's softclaim, it would be fairly easy to guess Mr. Mackey, Vanilla Townie. Also, so far, you've jumped on bandwagons, and haven't tried to get any real info out of anyone. Also, FOS spiesr, but I have to read the thread more, and monkey seems more scummy.

lol fos at spiesr? the only one who's trying to actually keep the game going? FOS to you for that, seriously.

i think spiesr might actualy be right too, slow what do you have to say in defense?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Good points Spiesr although my initial vote on him was just a joke vote for what he said. I just never took it off him for his inadequate defense when others started to pressure him.

[MoB Deadly]

Yeah definitely agree,

fos usa, the game stalled and spiesr was the only one to even formulate a case on someone, and he gets a FOS from you? You did state its your first game so I dont necessarily think its scummy just yet, but just watch it!

vote slow Agree with spiesr, timing was what sold me the most onto his case. Slow was playing kind of erratic on joke votes, could be the mafia shakes!

[drunkmonkey]

It would be wise for you to fully claim your role william, if you hope to get anyone to unvote

Everyone knows my role and I am doomed for a Lynch. When it happens please look to safari and speisr.

Not even going to attempt to roleclaim at L-2? Your response is: "I said 'mmkay' in my posts, so the guys who don't believe me are scum"?

unvote vote wildwilliam

VOTE: drunkmonkey--From wild's softclaim, it would be fairly easy to guess Mr. Mackey, Vanilla Townie. Also, so far, you've jumped on bandwagons, and haven't tried to get any real info out of anyone. Also, FOS spiesr, but I have to read the thread more, and monkey seems more scummy.

How does a PR softclaim translate to "Vanilla Townie"? Also, how does casting the second vote on the first legit D2 case constitute jumping on a bandwagon? I won't even FOS, because this seems more weird than scummy.

[slowreactor]

Well, since none of you people seem to have any inclination to do some scum hunting, or build a case, or post at all, it looks like I will have to do it my self. Now pay attention class, what follows is a redimentarry, and frankly pretty weak, case, but what do you expect, all I have to go on is the posts from day one and there aren't even that many of those.

Thats why I suck...I screwed up the rules again.
Vote Iron Butterfly

If we have any investigative roles, please check him out tonight. There's a chance that he's some sort of mafia, but from what I can tell he's most likely Kenny... aka probably jester.

Here slowreactor makes one of the first serious posts of the game, and what does he do with it? He tries to direct the cop. We now know that Iron Butterfly was actually town, so this post could possibly be Slowreactor trying to influence the cop's action and direct it away from himself and his scum buddies. I personally find trying to direct power roles like this to be moderately scummy when the person doesn't have a very good and specific reason behind it.

vote spiesr for having a name that is hard for me to say and remember how to spell, mkay?

<3 MR MACKEY

Slowreactor certainly seems to believe Wildwilliam's pseudo character claim.

So william did you just admit to skimming?
unvote vote WildWilliam.

But before long he hops onto the train against Wildwilliam, parroting the somewhat weak reasoning of LSU's post immediately prior. Hell, this reasoning is not even correct. The accusation of skimming was in response to this post.

vote spiesr for having a name that is hard for me to say and remember how to spell, mkay?

unvote vote williamits just as easy to spell as yours, break it down spies + r easy peasy

Listen, mkay, just because you can spell and read, does not mean that everyone else can mkay. And that is no reason to vote for someone, mkay, just because of their lack of reading.
Drugs are bad mkay?

Does anything in this post look like Wildwilliam is implying that he was skimming? It seems to me to be more or less a joke about him being semi illiterate. How exactly did Slowreactor pull an admittance of skimming out of here?
Another point about this vote is that the timing was key. Slowreactor's vote was the third one on Wildwilliam, and at a time when Slowreactor had three votes himself. There is a decent chance that Slowreactor was getting woried about having the lead in votes, which can be deadly on day one once people start feeling some pressure from the deadline, and took this chance to get the ball rolling on Wildwilliam, hoping that momentum would push that case past his own in prominence. As you can see from reading back in day 1 this ends up working out, as Wildwilliam's mistake when responding to Safariguy pushes him past the point of no return. Soon, people frustrated by Wildwilliam's annoying posts and poor self defense, latch onto the only case going anywhere and his then inevitable lynch quickly follows. Wildwilliam really dug his own grave, but Slowreactor gave him the shovel.
Anyhow, since I see entirely nothing else to really go on right now, Vote Slowreactor.

I will attempt to clarify my actions here:

@ the Iron Butterfly comment: If Kenny isn't in this game I'll be damned, and based on what IB did, I honestly believed that Kenny would be a jester.

@ wildwilliam. READ MY POST AFTER THE ONES YOU QUOTED. I specifically said that I misread his posts. Frankly, it's not that easy trying to decipher what he has been saying...

[zimmah]

Not sure how to approach this on D1. No use in forcing you to claim, since we already know what that would be. I guess we could get a role from you, but I'm not sure that would be any help at this point in the game. Either we believe you or we don't. At this point, FOS wildwilliam.

Yeah, sorry wildwilliam, but you have now become the official day 1 bandwagon. Unvote Vote WildWilly. Basically you have done something that seems vaguely scummy and makes you stand out. On day 1 that is often the best we can do for a lynch, so at this point I will join in, as it looks inevitable that you will get enough votes to be lynched unless you throw up a competent defense/claim. So my vote is here is basically speed up this process. With you now at lynch -3 I suggest that you start on that defense buddy.

wow, how did we even not notice this?

[spiesr]

@ the Iron Butterfly comment: If Kenny isn't in this game I'll be damned, and based on what IB did, I honestly believed that Kenny would be a jester.

The question here then, is what do you think there would have been to gain from having the cop visit a jester? I am not even sure what sort result a cop would get upon visiting a jester, but I am fairly confident that the result wouldn't simply say "Jester." Depending on the mod, I could see the result coming back as either "Innocent" or "Third Party." So would that result actually have been that useful to us, when the alternative would be the cop investigating some other person and possibly finding a scum?

@ wildwilliam. READ MY POST AFTER THE ONES YOU QUOTED. I specifically said that I misread his posts. Frankly, it's not that easy trying to decipher what he has been saying...

And yet after you come to this realization you don't bother to change your vote or anything. The vote that you appear to have made primarily on your mistaken assumption that Wildwillaim had been skimming.

[spiesr]

From wild's softclaim, it would be fairly easy to guess Mr. Mackey, Vanilla Townie.

Not exactly. From his posts we were able to deduce that he was basically claiming that his character was Mr. Mackey and that he had a post restriction. However, that is all that we could conclude. He gave no information at that point regarding what his actual role was. Vanilla townies were stated to be in this game, but we didn't know what the density of such roles is. Until, Wildwilliam were to tell us something we could make no real conclusions about what his role was. We didn't, and still basically don't, have enough information to know which characters are mafia aligned in this game. He could have been telling the truth about his character and post restriction and still been mafia, we couldn't know for sure at the time. He could also have simply been lying about his character and post restriction. If you can convince that town that you are such and such character right from the begging it can take a lot of pressure away from you and let you fly under the radar in later days.