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Postby Hologram on Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:18 pm

I believe that it is mathematically impossible to get 0 points in the current scoring system. But yes, if it is, then he would never get points for games he wins, but would give an infinite amount of points to those who beat him, so yeah, there's probably something lack does to counteract that.

Edit: No, that's vice versa. So maybe the best way to get to the top of the scoreboard is to throw games until you get 0 and then win one, and you're set.... 8)
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Postby everywhere116 on Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:28 pm

Hologram wrote:I believe that it is mathematically impossible to get 0 points in the current scoring system. But yes, if it is, then he would never get points for games he wins, but would give an infinite amount of points to those who beat him, so yeah, there's probably something lack does to counteract that.

Edit: No, that's vice versa. So maybe the best way to get to the top of the scoreboard is to throw games until you get 0 and then win one, and you're set.... 8)


1 problem, the 100 point limit.
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Postby AK_iceman on Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:30 pm

everywhere116 wrote:
Hologram wrote:I believe that it is mathematically impossible to get 0 points in the current scoring system. But yes, if it is, then he would never get points for games he wins, but would give an infinite amount of points to those who beat him, so yeah, there's probably something lack does to counteract that.

Edit: No, that's vice versa. So maybe the best way to get to the top of the scoreboard is to throw games until you get 0 and then win one, and you're set.... 8)


1 problem, the 100 point limit.

Unless it's a battle royale on the World 2.1 map. :wink:
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Postby hecter on Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:32 pm

It's 100 points per person. Not 100 points per game.
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Postby Hologram on Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:01 am

everywhere116 wrote:
Hologram wrote:I believe that it is mathematically impossible to get 0 points in the current scoring system. But yes, if it is, then he would never get points for games he wins, but would give an infinite amount of points to those who beat him, so yeah, there's probably something lack does to counteract that.

Edit: No, that's vice versa. So maybe the best way to get to the top of the scoreboard is to throw games until you get 0 and then win one, and you're set.... 8)


1 problem, the 100 point limit.
Right, I saw that right after I edited, but didn't really want to re-edit, so I just wanted to see who would catch that.
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Postby sully800 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:03 am

hecter wrote:It's 100 points per person. Not 100 points per game.


601 points won't put you on top of the scoreboard.


And wicked: Sorry for ruining the surprise :wink:, but like everyone else I think that simtom is purposely trying to get to zero points by deadbeating all his games. And as tahiti said if he keeps just playing singles it will take a very long time to get even closer (deadbeating tons of games but losing zero points from them).

I figure he may read this, figure out that lack fixed it so he can't get zero or negative points, and then he'll stop deadbeating in so many games which will help all the people he is playing with.
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Postby wicked on Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:16 am

psstt... hey sully, learn to take a joke. :wink:
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Postby sully800 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:32 am

lol, I understood it was a joke, I was just explaining myself :?
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Postby Wisse on Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:26 am

sully800 wrote:
hecter wrote:It's 100 points per person. Not 100 points per game.


601 points won't put you on top of the scoreboard.


And wicked: Sorry for ruining the surprise :wink:, but like everyone else I think that simtom is purposely trying to get to zero points by deadbeating all his games. And as tahiti said if he keeps just playing singles it will take a very long time to get even closer (deadbeating tons of games but losing zero points from them).

I figure he may read this, figure out that lack fixed it so he can't get zero or negative points, and then he'll stop deadbeating in so many games which will help all the people he is playing with.


100 x 100 = 10000 for winning the battle royale :P he would be the first one to archief that high lol
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:33 am

sully800 wrote:
hecter wrote:Let me guess… He will never be able to drop below 1 point. Correct? But, does that mean that anybody that plays him will not be able to get even a single point?


That's the way it should work but it is only a theory.

I'm going to ruin the mystery and actually be helpful for everyone: Lack fixed it so that his score won't go lower if he has a single point, but a person who beats him will still gain what they normally would. Of course for singles matches most players would get 0 points for beating him anyway due to rounding.

1/1000*20 = 0.02 = 0

in fact, 1/41*20 = 0.4878 = 0.

So to gain points from him in a singles game you would have to have 40 points or less regardless of the fix.


what if he plays doubles with say a colonel

2001/1000*20=40 which would leave him with -39
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Postby max is gr8 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:40 am

Lets say there where 2 people who had 20 at the bottom of the leader board they played eachother 1 won other lost that would make it possible to land on 0
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Postby Guilty_Biscuit on Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:04 am

I think you will find that simtom can reach 0 points and when he does the scoring system will collapse and then invert. So simtom will replace Blitz at the top and the new general list look like this:

simtom
actualize
thomas
speedyf31
seksi_alvin
fuzznor
chunk

I know it's a kick in the nuts for all the colonels that spent months playing nothing but doubles and triples to try and reach the top but hey lackattack likes a joke.
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Postby alex_white101 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:11 am

Guilty_Biscuit wrote:I think you will find that simtom can reach 0 points and when he does the scoring system will collapse and then invert. So simtom will replace Blitz at the top and the new general list look like this:

simtom
actualize
thomas
speedyf31
seksi_alvin
fuzznor
chunk

I know it's a kick in the nuts for all the colonels that spent months playing nothing but doubles and triples to try and reach the top but hey lackattack likes a joke.


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Postby sully800 on Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:38 am

reverend_kyle wrote:what if he plays doubles with say a colonel

2001/1000*20=40 which would leave him with -39


So he plays doubles with a colonel vs. two players with 500 points each (your example) and loses.

The colonel loses 40 points. The log will say simtom loses 40 points. Each of the 500 point player will gain 40 points.

But simtom would stay at 1 point.

The 40 points he 'lost' would actually just be baked up in a delicious pie by lack, and gifted to the winners. It's kind of a "breathing life into the dust of the ground" trick.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:17 am

sully800 wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:what if he plays doubles with say a colonel

2001/1000*20=40 which would leave him with -39


So he plays doubles with a colonel vs. two players with 500 points each (your example) and loses.

The colonel loses 40 points. The log will say simtom loses 40 points. Each of the 500 point player will gain 40 points.

But simtom would stay at 1 point.

The 40 points he 'lost' would actually just be baked up in a delicious pie by lack, and gifted to the winners. It's kind of a "breathing life into the dust of the ground" trick.


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Postby i love risk on Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:56 pm

what if he plays a game with the top 5 popoel
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Postby pancakemix on Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:57 pm

He gets 500 points.
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Postby poo-maker on Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:58 pm

i love risk wrote:what if he plays a game with the top 5 popoel


then he would lose 0 points......
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Postby AAFitz on Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:47 pm

poo-maker wrote:
i love risk wrote:what if he plays a game with the top 5 popoel


then he would lose 0 points......


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Postby Jehan on Sun Apr 15, 2007 12:23 am

we need a rank lower than private when you reach 1, hmmmm, maybe boy scout?
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Postby alex_white101 on Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:33 am

girl scout?
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Postby Skittles! on Sun Apr 15, 2007 3:49 am

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Postby SirSebstar on Wed Apr 18, 2007 2:44 am

So basicly you have invented a whole new loophole to cheat.
All you need to do is take friends. get them to start a huge load of games and select one person to always be on the loosing side... Once he gets to 1, the other 3 will gain free points outside of the scoring system by alternatly loosing a game with the 1 score guy and the other 2 taking points. its slow but sure. They would never have to play another person to get to general.
If you would take 4 premiums and set up the games right, you would have 3 generals inside 13 days, although right now i dont know how many games they would need to set up...

and how is this a feature instead of a bug?

sully800 wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:what if he plays doubles with say a colonel

2001/1000*20=40 which would leave him with -39


So he plays doubles with a colonel vs. two players with 500 points each (your example) and loses.

The colonel loses 40 points. The log will say simtom loses 40 points. Each of the 500 point player will gain 40 points.

But simtom would stay at 1 point.

The 40 points he 'lost' would actually just be baked up in a delicious pie by lack, and gifted to the winners. It's kind of a "breathing life into the dust of the ground" trick.
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Postby Iliad on Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:27 am

So this has been a grand trick. All that is to be done is for him to reach 1 and then play with people. What if blitzaholic plays with him!

But the problem with that plan is a lot of people already have him on the ignore list.
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Postby yeti_c on Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:31 am

SirSebstar wrote:So basicly you have invented a whole new loophole to cheat.
All you need to do is take friends. get them to start a huge load of games and select one person to always be on the loosing side... Once he gets to 1, the other 3 will gain free points outside of the scoring system by alternatly loosing a game with the 1 score guy and the other 2 taking points. its slow but sure. They would never have to play another person to get to general.
If you would take 4 premiums and set up the games right, you would have 3 generals inside 13 days, although right now i dont know how many games they would need to set up...

and how is this a feature instead of a bug?

sully800 wrote:
reverend_kyle wrote:what if he plays doubles with say a colonel

2001/1000*20=40 which would leave him with -39


So he plays doubles with a colonel vs. two players with 500 points each (your example) and loses.

The colonel loses 40 points. The log will say simtom loses 40 points. Each of the 500 point player will gain 40 points.

But simtom would stay at 1 point.

The 40 points he 'lost' would actually just be baked up in a delicious pie by lack, and gifted to the winners. It's kind of a "breathing life into the dust of the ground" trick.


A feature is a bug that is part of the design of the system...

Anyways - we don't have "bugs" anymore we have "issues"!!!

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