All Your Base Are Belong To Us

[Gillipig]

cool map! but it's very hard to see where you can attack certain regions from. how big is the map?

[The Cheat]

This is the map idea to rule all other map ideas ... just saying. Awesome work!

[DiM]

cool map! but it's very hard to see where you can attack certain regions from. how big is the map?

could you be more specific as to what area is hard to see?

[DiM]

This is the map idea to rule all other map ideas ... just saying. Awesome work!

i'm the king of the world

[Gillipig]

cool map! but it's very hard to see where you can attack certain regions from. how big is the map?

could you be more specific as to what area is hard to see?

The tech levels. Also the text is really hard to read at the moment.

[The Cheat]

We are on the path to destruction!

[Winged Cat]

Nice map. A few comments:

NP-4 is screwed. All other bases have at least one area they can expand to where they are not immediately in conflict with another player. AS-6 could do nothing but take out any land area NP-4 tries to expand to. Further, NP-4 only has 2 land expansion routes; all other bases have 3 or 4. Also, it seems a bit harder for the humans to get to all the DNA labs than for the aliens to get to all the nuke silos. One possible fix:

* Rotate AS-6, PA-3, and NA-3. That is, make PA-3 a human base, NA-3 a DNA lab, and AS-6 a nuke silo. Disconnect AS-3 and AS-5 (Himalayas border) if you don't want 2 nuke silos connected that closely.

* Have PA-2 and SA-3 connect.

* Have PA-1 connect to PA-2 and PA-4.

* Have AU-1 be able to assault PA-4, and (more importantly) SP-1 be able to assault SP-4 (to guard SP-3 vs. AU-1) and NP-4 be able to assault PA-2.

Also, AT-1 and AT-2 might be confused with Alien Tech. Possibly you could rename this to Alien Science, or...

(2) I'm assuming that the names for the research will have to be limited to about 4 or 5 characters. Given that...

How about dividing up each 'column' of research into a certain type listed at the very top, then each subsequent region as you go down the line describes an improvement/development.

So for the Alien research, for example, you could have four columns (types) such as:
(TECH 1.1) VIRAL BOTS RAYS PROBES
(TECH 1.2) H1N1 DOOM STUN DEEP
(TECH 2.1) STD T-1000 DEATH MIND
(TECH 2.2) .... etc.

For Human research maybe use some inspiration from Men in Black or X-com (the old computer game series)....

Note that there's the place designator on the map - 4-5 characters - and then the actual place name in the XML. So long as it's clear from the latter which of the former is meat, you can get away with abbreviations. Also, the tier 1 techs are not directly connected to the tier 2-3 techs, leaving 8 trees. So:

Alien 1.1: Cloning basics (CLON)
Alien 1.5: Cloning tanks (VATS)
Alien 1.2: Alien weaponsmithing (RAYS)
Alien 1.6: Metaphysical ammunition (DOOM)
Alien 1.3: Starship piloting (PILOT)
Alien 1.7: Starship construction (UFOS)
Alien 1.4: Alien sensors (PROBE)
Alien 1.8: Alien data compilation (DEEP)

Alien 2.1: Terran biology (TBIO)
Alien 2.5: Terran viruses (VIRUS)
Alien 3.1: Advanced viral transmission tactics (STD)
Alien 3.5: Extinction-inducing plagues (PLAG)

Alien 2.2: Terran geology (GEO)
Alien 2.6: Tectonic disruptors (QUAKE)
Alien 3.2: Volcano inducers (VOLC)
Alien 3.6: Earth-shattering kabooms (KABO)

Alien 2.3: Terran construction (CONS)
Alien 2.7: Rock eating organisms (ROCK)
Alien 3.3: Large-scale terran infrastructure demolition (DEMO)
Alien 3.7: Erasing human civilization (ERAS)

Alien 2.4: Terran sociology (TSOC)
Alien 2.8: Propaganda (PROP)
Alien 3.4: Brainwashing (BRAIN)
Alien 3.8: Human soldiers (SLAVE)

Human 1.1: Medical databanks (MEDIC)
Human 1.5: Hospitals (HOSP)
Human 1.2: Projectile weapon caches (GUNS)
Human 1.6: Ammunition factories (AMMO)
Human 1.3: Armored vehicle stockpiles (TANK)
Human 1.7: Fossil fuel depots (GAS)
Human 1.4: Farms (FARM)
Human 1.8: Produce distribution networks (FOOD)

Human 2.1: Alien biology (ABIO)
Human 2.5: Alien cellular structure (CELL)
Human 3.1: Poisons effective against aliens (POIS)
Human 3.5: Global fumigation (FUME)

Human 2.2: Robot servants (BOT)
Human 2.6: Cybernetics (CYBER)
Human 3.2: Artificial intelligence (AI)
Human 3.6: Immortality via backups (LIFE)

Human 2.3: Energy weapons (LASER)
Human 2.7: Fusion power (FUSE)
Human 3.3: Antimatter production (ANTI)
Human 3.7: Anti-starship weaponry (BYE)

Human 2.4: Alien sociology (ASOC)
Human 2.8: Alien mental structure (MIND)
Human 3.4: Psionics (PSI)
Human 3.8: Hive mind disruption (HIVE)

If "Anti-starship" is too vague, 3.7 could also be "Anti-mothership weaponry" (or "Anti-UFO weaponry" - but by then, the objects would no longer unidentified).

[Victor Sullivan]

Excuse me while I sweep up my recently combusted brain pieces...

-Sully

[lostatlimbo]

Note that there's the place designator on the map - 4-5 characters - and then the actual place name in the XML. So long as it's clear from the latter which of the former is meat, you can get away with abbreviations. Also, the tier 1 techs are not directly connected to the tier 2-3 techs, leaving 8 trees. So:

Alien 1.1: Cloning basics (CLON)
Alien 1.5: Cloning tanks (VATS)
Alien 1.2: Alien weaponsmithing (RAYS)
Alien 1.6: Metaphysical ammunition (DOOM)
Alien 1.3: Starship piloting (PILOT)
Alien 1.7: Starship construction (UFOS)
Alien 1.4: Alien sensors (PROBE)
Alien 1.8: Alien data compilation (DEEP)

Alien 2.1: Terran biology (TBIO)
Alien 2.5: Terran viruses (VIRUS)
Alien 3.1: Advanced viral transmission tactics (STD)
Alien 3.5: Extinction-inducing plagues (PLAG)

Alien 2.2: Terran geology (GEO)
Alien 2.6: Tectonic disruptors (QUAKE)
Alien 3.2: Volcano inducers (VOLC)
Alien 3.6: Earth-shattering kabooms (KABO)

Alien 2.3: Terran construction (CONS)
Alien 2.7: Rock eating organisms (ROCK)
Alien 3.3: Large-scale terran infrastructure demolition (DEMO)
Alien 3.7: Erasing human civilization (ERAS)

Alien 2.4: Terran sociology (TSOC)
Alien 2.8: Propaganda (PROP)
Alien 3.4: Brainwashing (BRAIN)
Alien 3.8: Human soldiers (SLAVE)

Human 1.1: Medical databanks (MEDIC)
Human 1.5: Hospitals (HOSP)
Human 1.2: Projectile weapon caches (GUNS)
Human 1.6: Ammunition factories (AMMO)
Human 1.3: Armored vehicle stockpiles (TANK)
Human 1.7: Fossil fuel depots (GAS)
Human 1.4: Farms (FARM)
Human 1.8: Produce distribution networks (FOOD)

Human 2.1: Alien biology (ABIO)
Human 2.5: Alien cellular structure (CELL)
Human 3.1: Poisons effective against aliens (POIS)
Human 3.5: Global fumigation (FUME)

Human 2.2: Robot servants (BOT)
Human 2.6: Cybernetics (CYBER)
Human 3.2: Artificial intelligence (AI)
Human 3.6: Immortality via backups (LIFE)

Human 2.3: Energy weapons (LASER)
Human 2.7: Fusion power (FUSE)
Human 3.3: Antimatter production (ANTI)
Human 3.7: Anti-starship weaponry (BYE)

Human 2.4: Alien sociology (ASOC)
Human 2.8: Alien mental structure (MIND)
Human 3.4: Psionics (PSI)
Human 3.8: Hive mind disruption (HIVE)

If "Anti-starship" is too vague, 3.7 could also be "Anti-mothership weaponry" (or "Anti-UFO weaponry" - but by then, the objects would no longer unidentified).

Wow. Well done! This is an awesome list.

[MarshalNey]

Wow. Well done! This is an awesome list.

No kidding, Winged Cat you took something and ran with it. Amusing list and yet very thematic

[grifftron]

They wont let you have the title flashing on and off like your sig huh? a shame, would be great.

Map is awesome!

-griff

[Winged Cat]

Wow. Well done! This is an awesome list.

No kidding, Winged Cat you took something and ran with it. Amusing list and yet very thematic

Thanks. Credit to you for the inspiration. (Sorry I couldn't get doombots in there, but bots are something that could help humanity or the aliens - and "metaphysical ammunition" seemed ideal to pair with rays. )

[zimmah]

I would, however, like to reiterate my desire to restrict the territory bonus to the land area (i.e. excluding the tech regions).

-Sully

Remember that doing this will complicate the XML a great deal...

It's not hard XML to write - just an extra lot of it... and there's always the (annoying) force 1 to minus off the bonuses and detract from legibility in the log (see Poker club for an example of annoyance)

C.

hey yeti, you're back too? haven't seen you in ages.

[mr. CD]

Yay, good to see this is back! In my opinion the arrow between Np-4 and Pa-1 is a bit weird, can't it connect directly?

[DiM]

wonderful input and great list of techs.
unless anybody has something against it i will proceed on making all the requested changes and tweaks. hopefully tomorrow or the day after i'll come up with an update.


btw, it's ok to have the short tech name on the map and the long on in the drop down menu, right?

for example on the map the tech is called "CLON" but in the menu it will appear as "Cloning basics (CLON)"

[isaiah40]

wonderful input and great list of techs.
unless anybody has something against it i will proceed on making all the requested changes and tweaks. hopefully tomorrow or the day after i'll come up with an update.


btw, it's ok to have the short tech name on the map and the long on in the drop down menu, right?

for example on the map the tech is called "CLON" but in the menu it will appear as "Cloning basics (CLON)"

Yes it is.

[Winged Cat]

Yay, good to see this is back! In my opinion the arrow between Np-4 and Pa-1 is a bit weird, can't it connect directly?

I think the intent was that any home base, human or alien, can attack out but can't be attacked back. NP-4 being a home base, PA-1 can't attack it back.

wonderful input and great list of techs.

Thanks.

btw, it's ok to have the short tech name on the map and the long on in the drop down menu, right?

for example on the map the tech is called "CLON" but in the menu it will appear as "Cloning basics (CLON)"

Yes, exactly. I copied this from other maps with the same issue (the Rail maps are a good example): the map says "ABBR", while the XML says "Full name (ABBR)".

[Victor Sullivan]

wonderful input and great list of techs.
unless anybody has something against it i will proceed on making all the requested changes and tweaks. hopefully tomorrow or the day after i'll come up with an update.


btw, it's ok to have the short tech name on the map and the long on in the drop down menu, right?

for example on the map the tech is called "CLON" but in the menu it will appear as "Cloning basics (CLON)"

I imagine I would flip it, so players can find it easier in the drop-down (as they would probably look for "KABO" instead of "Earth-shattering kabooms" in the drop-down). So it would look like: (CLON) Cloning Basics or [CLON] Cloning Basics

-Sully

[Winged Cat]

Hmm. If you're doing that, might I suggest "CLON - Cloning Basics"? That way, people can keyboard quick-jump to the first letter of the abbreviation, if they might be in a situation where they have to choose from many of them.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hmm. If you're doing that, might I suggest "CLON - Cloning Basics"? That way, people can keyboard quick-jump to the first letter of the abbreviation, if they might be in a situation where they have to choose from many of them.

Ah, yes, that would be better, wouldn't it? Danke!

-Sully

[DiM]

i have implemented the list of techs (see next post for the update)

[spoiler=techs]Alien 1.1: Cloning basics (CLON)
Alien 1.5: Cloning tanks (VATS)
Alien 1.2: Alien weaponsmithing (RAYS)
Alien 1.6: Metaphysical ammunition (DOOM)
Alien 1.3: Starship piloting (PILOT)
Alien 1.7: Starship construction (UFOS)
Alien 1.4: Alien sensors (PROBE)
Alien 1.8: Alien data compilation (DEEP)

Alien 2.1: Terran biology (TBIO)
Alien 2.5: Terran viruses (VIRUS)
Alien 3.1: Advanced viral transmission tactics (STD)
Alien 3.5: Extinction-inducing plagues (PLAG)

Alien 2.2: Terran geology (GEO)
Alien 2.6: Tectonic disruptors (QUAKE)
Alien 3.2: Volcano inducers (VOLC)
Alien 3.6: Earth-shattering kabooms (KABO)

Alien 2.3: Terran construction (CONS)
Alien 2.7: Rock eating organisms (ROCK)
Alien 3.3: Large-scale terran infrastructure demolition (DEMO)
Alien 3.7: Erasing human civilization (ERAS)

Alien 2.4: Terran sociology (TSOC)
Alien 2.8: Propaganda (PROP)
Alien 3.4: Brainwashing (BRAIN)
Alien 3.8: Human soldiers (SLAVE)

Human 1.1: Medical databanks (MEDIC)
Human 1.5: Hospitals (HOSP)
Human 1.2: Projectile weapon caches (GUNS)
Human 1.6: Ammunition factories (AMMO)
Human 1.3: Armored vehicle stockpiles (TANK)
Human 1.7: Fossil fuel depots (GAS)
Human 1.4: Farms (FARM)
Human 1.8: Produce distribution networks (FOOD)

Human 2.1: Alien biology (ABIO)
Human 2.5: Alien cellular structure (CELL)
Human 3.1: Poisons effective against aliens (POIS)
Human 3.5: Global fumigation (FUME)

Human 2.2: Robot servants (BOT)
Human 2.6: Cybernetics (CYBER)
Human 3.2: Artificial intelligence (AI)
Human 3.6: Immortality via backups (LIFE)

Human 2.3: Energy weapons (LASER)
Human 2.7: Fusion power (FUSE)
Human 3.3: Antimatter production (ANTI)
Human 3.7: Anti-starship weaponry (BYE)

Human 2.4: Alien sociology (ASOC)
Human 2.8: Alien mental structure (MIND)
Human 3.4: Psionics (PSI)
Human 3.8: Hive mind disruption (HIVE)[/spoiler]


also i need more opinions on these comments:

NP-4 is screwed. All other bases have at least one area they can expand to where they are not immediately in conflict with another player. AS-6 could do nothing but take out any land area NP-4 tries to expand to. Further, NP-4 only has 2 land expansion routes; all other bases have 3 or 4. Also, it seems a bit harder for the humans to get to all the DNA labs than for the aliens to get to all the nuke silos. One possible fix:

* Rotate AS-6, PA-3, and NA-3. That is, make PA-3 a human base, NA-3 a DNA lab, and AS-6 a nuke silo. Disconnect AS-3 and AS-5 (Himalayas border) if you don't want 2 nuke silos connected that closely.

* Have PA-2 and SA-3 connect.

* Have PA-1 connect to PA-2 and PA-4.

* Have AU-1 be able to assault PA-4, and (more importantly) SP-1 be able to assault SP-4 (to guard SP-3 vs. AU-1) and NP-4 be able to assault PA-2.

[DiM]

V10:
*changed all tech names according to the feedback
*made some tweaks to the arrows to make them more visible

[bigimg]http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w250/DiM-topia/allyourbasearebelongtousL-V10.jpg[/bigimg]

[DiM]

i'm also thinking of making the above image as small and making the large at 1100*889.
right now i think everything is perfectly visible but if i reduce the current image to make the small then the text might be very problematic.
thoughts?
do i need to make another approval request?

[isaiah40]

i'm also thinking of making the above image as small and making the large at 1100*889.
right now i think everything is perfectly visible but if i reduce the current image to make the small then the text might be very problematic.
thoughts?
do i need to make another approval request?

I don't think there will be a problem. First can you please reduce it down to 840x679 which should be about 17% difference in size (if my math is correct), and then edit your supersize application and send me a pm so I know you got it done. This way it will be the first thing I do before anything else. Thanks.

isaiah40

[DiM]

i'm also thinking of making the above image as small and making the large at 1100*889.
right now i think everything is perfectly visible but if i reduce the current image to make the small then the text might be very problematic.
thoughts?
do i need to make another approval request?

I don't think there will be a problem. First can you please reduce it down to 840x679 which should be about 17% difference in size (if my math is correct), and then edit your supersize application and send me a pm so I know you got it done. This way it will be the first thing I do before anything else. Thanks.

isaiah40

i'm not sure but i think i am missing something. what's the 17% about?
i thought the small has to be at least 9% (but no more than 33%) smaller than the large.
the current map i have is 990*800. if i consider this small and make a large that's 1100*889 then my small map would be 10% smaller than the large which is within the 9%-33% limits.