From what I've heard, the hypothesis that more gun ownership creates less crime is debatable. Even the experts aren't sure how much gun ownership prevents or exacerbates crime, so there's no overwhelming consensus either.
@Symmetry,
"So yeah- do you think it's the fantasy stuff that causes the problem?"
It depends; if we wanted to convolute the term enough we could say that a potential criminal may have "fantasies" of robbing some place with a gun. If that could be measured, I'd imagine that it would still be statistically insignificant compared to more influential variables like opportunity cost, cultural condition, certainty of getting caught, and expected punishment.
A Philadelphia college student put his firearm carry permit to good use Monday, as he shot it out with a would-be robber, hitting him twice. Robert Eells, 21-year-old Temple University student, was in front of his off-campus house smoking a cigarette at 1:30Am Monday when a group of teenagers approached him and asked for money. The main suspect- who is 15-years old- allegedly then attempted to rob Eells, who refused the demand for cash. At that point, police say the suspect started shooting, and hit Eels in the stomach. But Eels was able to fight back. He drew his own legal pistol and fired, hitting the attacker in the chest and leg. School officials say Eells is recovering at Temple University Hospital. He had a license to carry the weapon he used and faces no charges in the incident. The suspect is also in the hospital, and will face aggravated assault and attempted robbery charges. Police are searching for two accomplices.
I now what you think this proves.. but it doesn't, for the same reason "my husband fell off the roof of our 2 story house and is still walking" is not a good reason to try it. (and it is true...)
PLAYER57832 wrote:I now what you think this proves.. but it doesn't, for the same reason "my husband fell off the roof of our 2 story house and is still walking" is not a good reason to try it. (and it is true...)
This is just like that, by the way.
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Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
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...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
Best Unintentional C-C-C-Combo Break Post of the Year 2011.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
Best Unintentional C-C-C-Combo Break Post of the Year 2011.
How do you know it was unintentional?
“Life is a shipwreck, but we must not forget to sing in the lifeboats.”
― Voltaire
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
Best Unintentional C-C-C-Combo Break Post of the Year 2011.
How do you know it was unintentional?
sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
Best Unintentional C-C-C-Combo Break Post of the Year 2011.
How do you know it was unintentional?
sure in that instance. broken clocks come to mind.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
I'm sure the whole story would be that he didn't actually have any money on him(he was at home in a low-rent/high crime neighborhood). You know, in the kind of place where you leave you're wallet inside and take your gun with you when you step out for a smoke...Want me to break down the neighborhood for you?(cuz I will )
It's almost like you're saying he deserved to be shot for not having his money on him when a super-special guy with a gun came by and told him to hand it over.
At the battle of Thermopylae king Leonidas was confronted with a far superior force which was better armed and had a much more intrinsic supply chain, before the battle he's approached by the "king" of the Persians who made him a simple offer "lay down your arms and embrace me, I shall make you the lord of all of Greece! The very Mediterranean will bow low to you!"
Leonidas looks back to his pitifully small band of resistance fighters, insurgents if you will, most of which have been his close, personal friends since boyhood, and to a man they unwaveringly meet his gaze. He lowers his gaze and for a moment contemplates the offer, that his friends and family should survive, that his culture would live another century. At that moment an unidentified man amongst his ranks draws his sword. In the deathly calm before battle the sound of the sword being drawn from its scabbard brought him back to reality, not only with it's familiar sound but also with the connotation it brings: as long as we hold arms, we hold our own destiny in our hands, no man shall be our master unless we CHOOSE to obey.
The Great King turns to the Master of Persia and, facing certain death of himself and everyone he's ever known, screams "MOLON LABE!" and charges headlong into battle followed by those who would rather die then be ruled by a virtue to which they do not swear allegiance, to be told how to live and who to pay tribute to. To some, there are worse things then death.
To those who've fought for and won their own place in this world, who've watched their friends bleed out into the dirt until breath escapes them, to those that have carried Last Letters to the families who cared, in the name of what WE believe in, our arms ARE NOT a tool, they are the very symbol of our freedom no different then the Statue of Liberty, the bald eagle or the White House.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
The mugger probably lost his welfare check thanks to a drug test that hit him for smoking marijuana.
Best Unintentional C-C-C-Combo Break Post of the Year 2011.
Which part was unintentional?
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
I'm sure the whole story would be that he didn't actually have any money on him(he was at home in a low-rent/high crime neighborhood). You know, in the kind of place where you leave you're wallet inside and take your gun with you when you step out for a smoke...Want me to break down the neighborhood for you?(cuz I will )
It's almost like you're saying he deserved to be shot for not having his money on him when a super-special guy with a gun came by and told him to hand it over.
No, that really ISN'T "almost like what I'm saying". Not even close.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
kalishnikov wrote:At the battle of Thermopylae king Leonidas was confronted with a far superior force which was better armed and had a much more intrinsic supply chain, before the battle he's approached by the "king" of the Persians who made him a simple offer "lay down your arms and embrace me, I shall make you the lord of all of Greece! The very Mediterranean will bow low to you!"
Leonidas looks back to his pitifully small band of resistance fighters, insurgents if you will, most of which have been his close, personal friends since boyhood, and to a man they unwaveringly meet his gaze. He lowers his gaze and for a moment contemplates the offer, that his friends and family should survive, that his culture would live another century. At that moment an unidentified man amongst his ranks draws his sword. In the deathly calm before battle the sound of the sword being drawn from its scabbard brought him back to reality, not only with it's familiar sound but also with the connotation it brings: as long as we hold arms, we hold our own destiny in our hands, no man shall be our master unless we CHOOSE to obey.
The Great King turns to the Master of Persia and, facing certain death of himself and everyone he's ever known, screams "MOLON LABE!" and charges headlong into battle followed by those who would rather die then be ruled by a virtue to which they do not swear allegiance, to be told how to live and who to pay tribute to. To some, there are worse things then death.
To those who've fought for and won their own place in this world, who've watched their friends bleed out into the dirt until breath escapes them, to those that have carried Last Letters to the families who cared, in the name of what WE believe in, our arms ARE NOT a tool, they are the very symbol of our freedom no different then the Statue of Liberty, the bald eagle or the White House.
Phatscotty wrote:the gun saved his life. There is no way around this one.
Giving the guy his money would have avoided putting his life in danger to begin with. There is no way around this one. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and was the potential loss of that cash really worth putting his life in that danger?
OIC. Let the criminals take over. Whenever someone tries to rob you, just give the robber your money and your car.
Woodruff's motto: "Go ahead fellas! Tread on me!"
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kalishnikov wrote:At the battle of Thermopylae king Leonidas was confronted with a far superior force which was better armed and had a much more intrinsic supply chain, before the battle he's approached by the "king" of the Persians who made him a simple offer "lay down your arms and embrace me, I shall make you the lord of all of Greece! The very Mediterranean will bow low to you!"
Leonidas looks back to his pitifully small band of resistance fighters, insurgents if you will, most of which have been his close, personal friends since boyhood, and to a man they unwaveringly meet his gaze. He lowers his gaze and for a moment contemplates the offer, that his friends and family should survive, that his culture would live another century. At that moment an unidentified man amongst his ranks draws his sword. In the deathly calm before battle the sound of the sword being drawn from its scabbard brought him back to reality, not only with it's familiar sound but also with the connotation it brings: as long as we hold arms, we hold our own destiny in our hands, no man shall be our master unless we CHOOSE to obey.
The Great King turns to the Master of Persia and, facing certain death of himself and everyone he's ever known, screams "MOLON LABE!" and charges headlong into battle followed by those who would rather die then be ruled by a virtue to which they do not swear allegiance, to be told how to live and who to pay tribute to. To some, there are worse things then death.
To those who've fought for and won their own place in this world, who've watched their friends bleed out into the dirt until breath escapes them, to those that have carried Last Letters to the families who cared, in the name of what WE believe in, our arms ARE NOT a tool, they are the very symbol of our freedom no different then the Statue of Liberty, the bald eagle or the White House.
Nice.
Typical CC poster: "I don't get it! Why didn't he just drop his weapons and kneel? Then he would live! What a tard!"
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