Rorke's Drift. [QUENCHED]

[koontz1973]

Why is there a zulu in the middle of a forest? Is he hiding?

The aliens brought him home.

Just a ghost from doing the changes. Removed him.

[Sniper08]

ok is it me or does the trees in the small version look better than the large version.bushes look better.

also not sure about the different fonts in the legend. i think the font for the left is a bit hard to read.

Trees have now been placed into both versions from the small.

The legend font may not be to everyone's taste but I think it suits the map the best of what I have tried. Next time you are looking at your fonts in whatever programme you use for typing, try a few and let me know the fonts you like. Can always have a go.

well if your looking for variations in font i always liked old english.Arial is the best plain font to use as it is the best to read.

[koontz1973]

ok is it me or does the trees in the small version look better than the large version.bushes look better.

also not sure about the different fonts in the legend. i think the font for the left is a bit hard to read.

Trees have now been placed into both versions from the small.

The legend font may not be to everyone's taste but I think it suits the map the best of what I have tried. Next time you are looking at your fonts in whatever programme you use for typing, try a few and let me know the fonts you like. Can always have a go.

well if your looking for variations in font i always liked old english.Arial is the best plain font to use as it is the best to read.

Arial is the font used on the small map. Great minds think alike.

I am looking at DaFont right now to see if I can find one to pimp out the title a bit for you.

[cairnswk]

Thanks koontz1973 for doing those changes, Those are the sort of things that usually come up in Final Forge but have been critiqued for many years since i started mapmaking 4 years ago. They are the sort of things that make the different between an OK map and a very professional one, so do keep them in mind if you make another map.
I like the space you've given the Imapssables,
...but now the IButhos are almost completely lost that even on the large map i almost cannot read the white text because it is so small. There is sufficient space to move that border beside the Impassables across to the right and take up some of the Lindelani and Buyisiwe territories...which might help fit things in there better in the legend.

Also, i have issues with the font on the small map, because all the kerning seems uneven and squashed. I am sure however from reading above you have things in DaFont underway.

On the large map, the bottom of the text at the bottom near Chieftan is missing the word bonus. That text also needs to be examined for kerning. If you examine the space between "incl uded" in that last line you'll see what i speak of.

[natty dread]

Ok, what's with the bushes now? Sorry but it doesn't work.

[koontz1973]

Ok, what's with the bushes now? Sorry but it doesn't work.

In what way?

[koontz1973]

Thanks koontz1973 for doing those changes, Those are the sort of things that usually come up in Final Forge but have been critiqued for many years since i started mapmaking 4 years ago. They are the sort of things that make the different between an OK map and a very professional one, so do keep them in mind if you make another map.
I like the space you've given the Imapssables,
...but now the IButhos are almost completely lost that even on the large map i almost cannot read the white text because it is so small. There is sufficient space to move that border beside the Impassables across to the right and take up some of the Lindelani and Buyisiwe territories...which might help fit things in there better in the legend.

Also, i have issues with the font on the small map, because all the kerning seems uneven and squashed. I am sure however from reading above you have things in DaFont underway.

On the large map, the bottom of the text at the bottom near Chieftan is missing the word bonus. That text also needs to be examined for kerning. If you examine the space between "incl uded" in that last line you'll see what i speak of.

The missing word, just need to increase the layer size to bring it back. Thanks for noticing.
I have the kerning set at .5 for all the text. Any larger and things start to not fit. I can only surmise that with some of the letters, a pixel that is almost invisible has caused the extra gap. Any solutions to this apart from doing it one letter at a time?
Will get onto the legend spacing today.

[natty dread]

Ok, what's with the bushes now? Sorry but it doesn't work.

In what way?

Well, it looks like you took a paintbrush and doodled them full of worm-like scribbles... for some reason.

When I said to add another colour in the bush texture, I didn't mean for you to randomly doodle it all over them... I rather meant incorporating another colour as a part of the texture itself. So that you have dark, midtone and bright there, not just midtone and bright. This would add contrast to them and make them look more natural.

[gimil]

The red line around the British front line isn't a colour that complements this map very well. Could I suggest you experiment with some other colours and maybe see if you can find something that is more fitting?


Cheers,
gimil

[koontz1973]

Ok, what's with the bushes now? Sorry but it doesn't work.

In what way?

Well, it looks like you took a paintbrush and doodled them full of worm-like scribbles... for some reason.

When I said to add another colour in the bush texture, I didn't mean for you to randomly doodle it all over them... I rather meant incorporating another colour as a part of the texture itself. So that you have dark, midtone and bright there, not just midtone and bright. This would add contrast to them and make them look more natural.

Hope you all like these ones as this is what you will get to play on.

The red line around the British front line isn't a colour that complements this map very well. Could I suggest you experiment with some other colours and maybe see if you can find something that is more fitting?


Cheers,
gimil

Have tried lots of colours. This one seems to fit the best for a couple of reasons. Red being the universal danger colour, blood is red (could be made a tad darker) and the CB test. This is the one that stood out most in all of the iButhos. Suggest a colour and I can whip up a mock for you to look at.
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What's changed. A hell of a lot.
New bushes. I am happy with these ones so they stay.
Pimped out the title in the big version.
Both legend got an overhaul because cairnswk asked for it. Looks great, now that is what I need.
Small one, because of the font change and getting everything to be clear, Bethelezi iButho has had a shrinking to make room.
I know the text is a little weird but it suits my mood for the map + it fits.
Loads more but I am tired and have games to play.

Leave feedback and I will get to it later tonight.

What's next???

[Sniper08]

impassibles are different in each legend and have been for a few updates so id get that fixed,i like the small legend ones so use them please

The red line around the British front line isn't a colour that complements this map very well. Could I suggest you experiment with some other colours and maybe see if you can find something that is more fitting?


Cheers,
gimil

red is the perfect colour for the 150 yard line.its a primary colour which goes with the greens and blues and as koonitz said its the universal colour for danger so i wouldnt want it changed.

[koontz1973]

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Legends brought up to date with the impassables.
Small one-bridge moved down a few layers to show territ lines.
Played with small ones title.
Increased the small ones legend a tad to include the iButho part as it went over Bethelezi iButho a tad.

Thanks everyone.

What's next???

[gimil]

red is the perfect colour for the 150 yard line.its a primary colour which goes with the greens and blues and as koonitz said its the universal colour for danger so i wouldnt want it changed.

I am well aware that red is universal for danger, and I understand why it has been used. But I do feel that it doesn't fit this map. It is overly saturated compared to the more washed out colours of the rest of the map.

[koontz1973]

red is the perfect colour for the 150 yard line.its a primary colour which goes with the greens and blues and as koonitz said its the universal colour for danger so i wouldnt want it changed.

I am well aware that red is universal for danger, and I understand why it has been used. But I do feel that it doesn't fit this map. It is overly saturated compared to the more washed out colours of the rest of the map.

Will post a few variations for you to look at. Give me an hour to get it done and let me know what you think.

[gimil]

red is the perfect colour for the 150 yard line.its a primary colour which goes with the greens and blues and as koonitz said its the universal colour for danger so i wouldnt want it changed.

I am well aware that red is universal for danger, and I understand why it has been used. But I do feel that it doesn't fit this map. It is overly saturated compared to the more washed out colours of the rest of the map.

Will post a few variations for you to look at. Give me an hour to get it done and let me know what you think.

Excellent, thanks for trying

[koontz1973]

Here are a few variations on the 150 line (legend not updated for these).

Keeping with the red but with different shades. Placed a number on each so you can say which one you like.
Things to remember:
Not done a colour blind test on these so they may not work in the end.
It needs to be very obvious so players can quickly see the line without looking hard. This is only done on the big version so it also may not work on the small.
Not done it nicely so that needs to be done later.

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[gimil]

4 and 5 are much better shades in my opinion. The dotted line may actually work really well if you go with something sharper like your other borders. (right now they are a little to blurry).

[koontz1973]

4 and 5 are much better shades in my opinion. The dotted line may actually work really well if you go with something sharper like your other borders. (right now they are a little to blurry).

Will run up the next draft with 4. The 5 was just a joke one. It does need to be solid.

[gimil]

4 and 5 are much better shades in my opinion. The dotted line may actually work really well if you go with something sharper like your other borders. (right now they are a little to blurry).

Will run up the next draft with 4. The 5 was just a joke one. It does need to be solid.

Fair play, I did like the pok-a-dots though.

[Seamus76]

I think 4 fits the map very nicely. The polka dots aren't bad, especially if you want to draw more attention to the line, which I'm not sure would be a good thing.

[koontz1973]

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Done and done nicely.

Colour blind test for new 150 yard line. Only done on the red/green problem. Looks OK apart from Phunga. Let me know if that is acceptable. Does anyone know a CB person to come in and look?



What's next guys???

[gimil]

The new lines are a winner I think. I shall come back later and have another look.

[natty dread]

You know, you can use GIMP's own colourblind filters instead of that crappy site that only shows tiny pictures...

They're in View > Display filters.

[koontz1973]

The new lines are a winner I think. I shall come back later and have another look.

Thanks, any feedback is good feedback.

You know, you can use GIMP's own colourblind filters instead of that crappy site that only shows tiny pictures...

They're in View > Display filters.

Did not use as I was not sure if this site trusted it. This one is in the official tools.

[TaCktiX]

I find it odd that "awarded" and "highest" don't fit on the line above where they appear. The extreme indent looks odd that way. Scoot the entire text box over a couple of pixels and you should be able to fit it all. If you want to vertically fill the space, just transform it a smidge (I do this trick with R&C's legend on the bottom right). Also, the map credit looks VERY out of place in the bottom right. Perhaps hijack the space in the top left, among the trees. A little glow and it'll stand out well enough.

And using any colorblind utility is fine, we just suggest VisCheck as Photoshop (the most popular used software) doesn't have that GIMP feature. VisCheck is universal, GIMP filters are not.