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[jonty125]

14 days to deadline. My plan - We need to discuss all cases and then with about 4-5 days to go pick a target to lynch.

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
Fry: Well, thanks to the Internet, I'm now bored with sex. Is there a place on the web that panders to my lust for violence?
Bender: [sarcastically] Is the Space Pope reptilian!?


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(1)- /
freezie(1)- pcm


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline in 13 days.

[strike wolf]

4-5 days wouldn't be a bad deadline if we were having trouble producing a lynch target and needed to push something forward but saying to discuss until then and the pick the lynch seems a bit...arbitrary to me.

[kwanton]

I'm going to agree with strike here.

If conversation has stagnated, new cases really aren't going to present themselves.

The two cases I was willing to pursue today, naxus and freezie, are kind of dead since they've posted believable defenses. I'm currently at a loss.

[naxus]

With the fircoal case that fell through, We have the gilligan case, though its not much

[pancakemix]

I'm going to agree with strike here.

If conversation has stagnated, new cases really aren't going to present themselves.

The two cases I was willing to pursue today, naxus and freezie, are kind of dead since they've posted believable defenses. I'm currently at a loss.

Disagree. Freezie has posted nothing since my response to his defense of himself. It's still 100% a bandwagon and my vote will not shift until I get an answer for it.

[freezie]

I'm going to agree with strike here.

If conversation has stagnated, new cases really aren't going to present themselves.

The two cases I was willing to pursue today, naxus and freezie, are kind of dead since they've posted believable defenses. I'm currently at a loss.

Disagree. Freezie has posted nothing since my response to his defense of himself. It's still 100% a bandwagon and my vote will not shift until I get an answer for it.

My last post is last page, and you do not appear to have posted anything after me till now.

skimmar.

[kwanton]

And then I go silent a few more days, but you can blame my job for that.

True, I could have put more effort on Gilli's case. However, I had nothing more to add than what has been said on day 1, and as pointed, I still beleive he's quite lucky that everyone let him loose so easily. If people are going to let him loose, while I have nothing to add, I would feel Rodion-ish to re-present the case with the same arguments and holding on to what everyone beleive is a dead case.

I am still re-reading a bit, on all my games actually, once the week-end arrive I'll take 2-3 hours and get back on touch with everything.


Unvote for the time beeing.

He posted this.

Sorry if I was unclear, but maybe defense wasn't exactly what I meant to say. This isn't so much of a defense but an excuse. In reality, when someone says real-life took precedence over reading a thread, there really isn't much we can do until he does post a real defense. It is pretty far into the weekend tho and I will definitely be on his case come Monday. I am still willing to pursue the freezie case but I have nothing to add to it until he posts his defense.

However, I've also spent the last 5 hours reading about Game Theoretic Optimization in poker and my brain is goo so I really shouldn't be analyzing anything right now....



Fastposted...

Anything else to add freezie?

[freezie]

Fastposted...

Anything else to add freezie?

No, I posted what I though. Gilli's case was dead, everyone let him loose, and we needed info, proof is we're stuck already.

I am working on another case as we speak, will try to post tonight, probably be tomorow though.

[freezie]

Alright, I went ahead and regrouped 99% of Andy's posts, to show how he's, like strike pointed out earlier but nearly no one paid attention, ''going with the flow'' without really getting wet, and barely helping most of the times.

I'm ok with that commander. I feel this game is starting to stray from the joke votes and in lieu of any real leads I think voting an inactive may help though I think there are more than a couple to choose from.

This is what I'd probably choose as well.


--Andy

This is probably what you'd do, but you don't do it. Let everyone else do the dirty work, aye?

I'm ok with that commander. I feel this game is starting to stray from the joke votes and in lieu of any real leads I think voting an inactive may help though I think there are more than a couple to choose from.

This is what I'd probably choose as well.


--Andy

In other words, let's go ahead and vote someone who isn't paying attention, but I'm not paying attention enough to care who that is X2.
Vote strike, why does someone have to explicitly point out there being "no leads" every game? It's like a coverup or something!

Oh, I'm paying attention to who isn't posting, I just didn't add my little internal note-in-the-head list to my post.


--Andy

We cannot read in your head. Avoid getting heat on himself.

Going with inactives isn't my favourite thing, but we do not discussions, patterns and leads and that may be useful further in the game. Unvote. Vote TSL- I'd like to see more of him.

Day 1 is the only day I'd vote out an inactive, otherwise, there are usually better leads/insights/what-have-you to go on.

I had a few moments, so I went to look at posting levels in this game (not including confirmation posts)

1. Metsfanmax = 5 posts
2. / = 2 posts
3. [Replacement] TA1LGUNN3R = 1 post
4. pancakemix = 1 post
5. Talapus = 2 posts
6. strike wolf = 12 posts
7. Fircoal = 1 post
8. freezie = 5 posts
9. Haggis_McMutton = 2 posts
10. kwanton = 4 posts
11. AndyDufresne = 7 posts
12. Gilligan = 3 posts
13. naxus = 3 posts
14. nagerous = 6 posts
15. Commander9 = 7 posts
16. TheSaxlad = 1 post
17. BGtheBrain = 4 posts

--Andy

A good post, I guess, calculating all the posts from everyone, try to tell which is most inactives...but you're still not willing to include yourself in the post count.

I think things are too murky for me right now to get my head around much of anything. Though it could also be that it is morning right now.


--Andy

A very helpful post, once again.

I thought for Sax wouldve posted something to defend himself overnight. It just seems odd to be quiet this long, especially with all of the accusations going on here.

vote thesaxlad

I thought this as well. My ears were also ticked by Haggis wanting to replace him. I think I understand his reasoning about not wanting to vote someone who isn't around to defend themselves. But I can also see this move as something a compatriot might suggest, wanting us to get along with a replacement instead of a vote if in fact we are onto someone this early.


--Andy

First, you say you'd vote an incative, and when someone goes inactives, you do? Oh yes, you don't vote.

Deadline in 2 days.

Safari, do you have a 'time' when the official deadline is up? Like Midnight? or 6 PM Eastern? or Something?


--Andy

An alright question to the mod, but that's +1 post that doesn't add much to the discussion.

Vote: TheSaxlad

I think we've given him a pretty good chance over the last week, and my other suspicions have even less reasoning behind them.


--Andy

Finally he's getting a vote on someone, when everyone pretty much established sax was beeing voted for inactivity. Still going with the flow.

Yowza, well the roles I think are among the interesting tid-bits of all this. Roles seem to be logically (at least do a degree so far) related to the actual portrayal of the character on the series.

So role claiming from now on can be a bit of a double-edge, maybe even triple-edge---there is a possibility we could learn or feel confident who has what character/role if it makes sense, there is also a possibility about tipping off non-town folks, and also the possibility that non-town folks would try to use their fake claims, which might be convincing, unless we figured out if their character/role jived with precedents so far.

Anyways, I think I'm more confused now than I was before.


--Andy

Role claiming beginning day 2 is not double or triple edgy....It's 95% of the time plain stupid.

So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

Trying to get the head under gilligan ( granted, I agree on that XD ) but not getting wet still. Most players aren't posting much, but most actually added a lot more to the conversation than Andy did.

So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.

Sometimes it is hard not to go with the flow when it seems like it is mostly a discussion with a small number of players that are posting. Anyways, I'm still building up my reads on everyone.


--Andy

This is where Strike pointed Andy's neutral attitude, and Andy's response was....well, neutral, like all his posts..

Okay, so sometimes I find it is helpful to map out a player's votes, include their initial joke votes, since voting patterns can sometimes shed light on who they vote on, or perhaps who they avoid putting a vote on. I think I've got all the votes cast up to this post:

show

Highlights over the course of the game so far:

• Fircoal has received 3 player votes.
• Gilligan has received 4 player votes.
• TheSaxlad has received 9 player votes.
• Strike Wolf is the most prolific voter, with the most vote changing.

I'm going to take a closer look at voting patterns.


--Andy

Another post where he actually post useful information, but still he keeps himself from voting anybody, taking the heat away from himself by ''beeing here'' when he doesn't help. Oh, and nice votting patern on your part. Or abscence of pattern...

Looking at voting patterns, I'm going to throw a FOS on Freezie.

Based on his voting, and his descriptions of why he is voting, it really sounds like he is just looking to vote, usually jumping onto a case that seems like it could be gaining momentum.

--Andy

I actually explained all my votes, including my vote on fircoal. It sounds, however, like you are trying not to vote.

Does anyone have any insight on strategies the mafia may be employing? I was thinking about this yesterday, and wondering if a part of them agreed to be the 'lay-low' type, and the other part agreed to be the 'active townie' sort of player, or if they put all their bananas in on basket.


--Andy

Yes, mafias. one more post that shows an illusion Andy is here, but isn't.

Is it worthwhile to have a discussion on what we think would be probable characters involved in this game? We briefly have mentioned characters in posts throughout the game so far, but we haven't had a sit down and hammer out probables.


--Andy

Again, another neutral post with nothing to add. Especially since many discussed about other possible roles beggining of day 2.

So how many prospect-cases do we have? Fircoal, Gilligan, Freezie, Naxus, Strike Wolf?

I'm willing to listen to all the cases, but the Fircoal and Gilligan cases have been scattered too much for me to make much of anything. For those of you who feel something about those cases, would you write up a summary post, so we could more easily compare all the cases? Ta1lgunn3r just sort of presented a summary for the Strike Wolf case-building, and Strike Wolf and Myself posted earlier about Naxus and Freezie respectively. If my post isn't adequate enough for case comparison, let me know, and I'll write up something else.


--Andy

Once again placing heat on a few people, without getting wet himself.



Vote: Andy


And FoS: Gilli again XD

[jonty125]

4-5 days wouldn't be a bad deadline if we were having trouble producing a lynch target and needed to push something forward but saying to discuss until then and the pick the lynch seems a bit...arbitrary to me.

Hey, I know this won't help the town in discussions or anything but what does arbitrary?

[pancakemix]

I'm going to agree with strike here.

If conversation has stagnated, new cases really aren't going to present themselves.

The two cases I was willing to pursue today, naxus and freezie, are kind of dead since they've posted believable defenses. I'm currently at a loss.

Disagree. Freezie has posted nothing since my response to his defense of himself. It's still 100% a bandwagon and my vote will not shift until I get an answer for it.

My last post is last page, and you do not appear to have posted anything after me till now.

skimmar.

Clarification: In regards to my vote. I posted some legitimate points and you just kinda ignored me. This post and the previous indicate you're not going to, but thank you for giving me even more reason to keep my vote where it is.

[AndyDufresne]

Alright, I went ahead and regrouped 99% of Andy's posts, to show how he's, like strike pointed out earlier but nearly no one paid attention, ''going with the flow'' without really getting wet, and barely helping most of the times.

Barely helping? I'd like to think that at least I am gathering information, discussing it, and posting some relevant material. This is one of your first posts in the game with content that I can remember.

I'm ok with that commander. I feel this game is starting to stray from the joke votes and in lieu of any real leads I think voting an inactive may help though I think there are more than a couple to choose from.

This is what I'd probably choose as well.


--Andy

This is probably what you'd do, but you don't do it. Let everyone else do the dirty work, aye?

So because I mentioned what I thought I might do, but didn't immediately do it, that is scummy? That seems like a round-a-bout way to get to scum. Could I say the same about you?

Same, I vote inactives on day 1 but only because it's day 1...Otherwise I hate to do so.

I'll see what Sax has to say, but won't add my vote on him just yet.

Unvote

for now.

Nice to see you were quick to hop onto a vote after you mentioned your possible intention. Wait, you waited 5 days and 48 posts later to get to your vote.

Wether he has posted or not over the weekend or send pms, we can not see them, therefor he is and has been inactive. Point done.

And weirdly, I don't feel like voting either com nor strike on that matter. Com is trying to find a scumarinner by saying he answered pms but didn't post here, strike is going against commander for lieing about Sax beeing around.

I mean, if they sent pms between each others, we won't know, so strike is right in his accusations......But still, Com isn't exactly doing harm by pressuring someone that hasn't posted and is beeing pressured. Sax is still at l-6 anyway....Well, l-5, since I want him to post now.

Vote: Sax

Moral of this story: Using the fact that a user has sent you pms to vote him in a mafia game is poor evidence in any ways shape or form. The fact he is inactive is here, but what's outside the game stays outside the game..

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I'm ok with that commander. I feel this game is starting to stray from the joke votes and in lieu of any real leads I think voting an inactive may help though I think there are more than a couple to choose from.

This is what I'd probably choose as well.


--Andy

In other words, let's go ahead and vote someone who isn't paying attention, but I'm not paying attention enough to care who that is X2.
Vote strike, why does someone have to explicitly point out there being "no leads" every game? It's like a coverup or something!

Oh, I'm paying attention to who isn't posting, I just didn't add my little internal note-in-the-head list to my post.


--Andy

We cannot read in your head. Avoid getting heat on himself.

I'd hardly say I was trying to avoid the heat, but let me point you in the direction of someone who was. You posted this just minutes after Pancakemix put a vote up on you. Nice to see your activity heats up when you have a vote or a FOS on you. Nice try and re-directing the heat.

Most of the times, the best cases come out from the weaker ones. Since nobody seems to find Gilligan's actions as scummy as I think he is..

Unvote

Vote: Fircoal

Read: Shameless bandwagon.

Vote Freezie

Read: Defending fircoal.

See it as bandwagonning if you want. But, correct me if I am wrong, trying to tell everyone over and over that Gilli is scummier will get me lynched a lot faster XD

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Going with inactives isn't my favourite thing, but we do not discussions, patterns and leads and that may be useful further in the game. Unvote. Vote TSL- I'd like to see more of him.

Day 1 is the only day I'd vote out an inactive, otherwise, there are usually better leads/insights/what-have-you to go on.

I had a few moments, so I went to look at posting levels in this game (not including confirmation posts)

1. Metsfanmax = 5 posts
2. / = 2 posts
3. [Replacement] TA1LGUNN3R = 1 post
4. pancakemix = 1 post
5. Talapus = 2 posts
6. strike wolf = 12 posts
7. Fircoal = 1 post
8. freezie = 5 posts
9. Haggis_McMutton = 2 posts
10. kwanton = 4 posts
11. AndyDufresne = 7 posts
12. Gilligan = 3 posts
13. naxus = 3 posts
14. nagerous = 6 posts
15. Commander9 = 7 posts
16. TheSaxlad = 1 post
17. BGtheBrain = 4 posts

--Andy

A good post, I guess, calculating all the posts from everyone, try to tell which is most inactives...but you're still not willing to include yourself in the post count.

I'm not willing to include myself in the post count? I'm pretty sure I'm right in there. Here, I've highlighted it for you. "I guess" you just missed it.

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I think things are too murky for me right now to get my head around much of anything. Though it could also be that it is morning right now.


--Andy

A very helpful post, once again.

Agreed that it wasn't contributing to the building of any case, but it was at least expressing that I was visiting the topic and trying to be an active part of the game. I'd rather be active with a few non-helpful posts, than inactive like you seemed to be for most of the time. There was literally a week where you didn't post (Thursday, July 28th to Thursday, August 4th). That's quite "helpful," too, isn't it?


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I thought for Sax wouldve posted something to defend himself overnight. It just seems odd to be quiet this long, especially with all of the accusations going on here.

vote thesaxlad

I thought this as well. My ears were also ticked by Haggis wanting to replace him. I think I understand his reasoning about not wanting to vote someone who isn't around to defend themselves. But I can also see this move as something a compatriot might suggest, wanting us to get along with a replacement instead of a vote if in fact we are onto someone this early.


--Andy

First, you say you'd vote an incative, and when someone goes inactives, you do? Oh yes, you don't vote.

I think I rebutted this above in my post. Glad to see that my non-desire to get a quick-lynch on Day 1 is what you think is scummy.

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Deadline in 2 days.

Safari, do you have a 'time' when the official deadline is up? Like Midnight? or 6 PM Eastern? or Something?


--Andy

An alright question to the mod, but that's +1 post that doesn't add much to the discussion.

Similarly, I think I rebutted this earlier in my post. At least I am posting, and not a mystery-man lurking in the shadows for a week without posting.

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Vote: TheSaxlad

I think we've given him a pretty good chance over the last week, and my other suspicions have even less reasoning behind them.


--Andy

Finally he's getting a vote on someone, when everyone pretty much established sax was beeing voted for inactivity. Still going with the flow.

Again, so my desire to not insta-lynch is what you are working on? You're working pretty hard here.

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Yowza, well the roles I think are among the interesting tid-bits of all this. Roles seem to be logically (at least do a degree so far) related to the actual portrayal of the character on the series.

So role claiming from now on can be a bit of a double-edge, maybe even triple-edge---there is a possibility we could learn or feel confident who has what character/role if it makes sense, there is also a possibility about tipping off non-town folks, and also the possibility that non-town folks would try to use their fake claims, which might be convincing, unless we figured out if their character/role jived with precedents so far.

Anyways, I think I'm more confused now than I was before.


--Andy

Role claiming beginning day 2 is not double or triple edgy....It's 95% of the time plain stupid.

Right---where did I mention we should start claiming on Day 2? I said from now on. That means from this point, into the future, in English usually. I'll toss this back at you. I know you were joking, but I think it proves my point nonetheless:

Night 0 sucks.

Btw, should I claim now or not?

That was certainly a helpful post. Right up there with a few of mine!

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So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

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Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

Trying to get the head under gilligan ( granted, I agree on that XD ) but not getting wet still. Most players aren't posting much, but most actually added a lot more to the conversation than Andy did.

There are probably some players who have added more to the conversation, Commander9, Strikewolf, etc. However, I'm pretty sure you haven't.

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So is Gilligan going to be the focus of day 2 because of his SaxLad actions?

=====

Also, I feel like we've still a few players who aren't posting very much, so much that I just went to the first page to check again who all was playing.


--Andy

FOS Andy. The majority of his posts are like this. Fairly non-commital and expressing little opinion on the actual scum tells. He appears to just be going with the flow.

Sometimes it is hard not to go with the flow when it seems like it is mostly a discussion with a small number of players that are posting. Anyways, I'm still building up my reads on everyone.


--Andy

This is where Strike pointed Andy's neutral attitude, and Andy's response was....well, neutral, like all his posts..

I think I've rebutted this point earlier in my post.


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Okay, so sometimes I find it is helpful to map out a player's votes, include their initial joke votes, since voting patterns can sometimes shed light on who they vote on, or perhaps who they avoid putting a vote on. I think I've got all the votes cast up to this post:

show

Highlights over the course of the game so far:

• Fircoal has received 3 player votes.
• Gilligan has received 4 player votes.
• TheSaxlad has received 9 player votes.
• Strike Wolf is the most prolific voter, with the most vote changing.

I'm going to take a closer look at voting patterns.


--Andy

Another post where he actually post useful information, but still he keeps himself from voting anybody, taking the heat away from himself by ''beeing here'' when he doesn't help. Oh, and nice votting patern on your part. Or abscence of pattern...

The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If anything, I am seeing a pattern here in your case.

• Aim #1 - Try to establish I am not posting anything, or posting neutrally.
• Aim #2 - When I post something relevant, helpful, or full of information (you've know twice said I've had a 'good post' or a 'useful post'), you try to belittle it by my non-immediate insta-vote action.

That seems to be the pattern of your case. And it seems a little convoluted and tired.

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Looking at voting patterns, I'm going to throw a FOS on Freezie.

Based on his voting, and his descriptions of why he is voting, it really sounds like he is just looking to vote, usually jumping onto a case that seems like it could be gaining momentum.

--Andy

I actually explained all my votes, including my vote on fircoal. It sounds, however, like you are trying not to vote.

Well, screw this..I would like to replace him over this, but with a deadline in less than 2 days..

Vote: Sax

Most of the times, the best cases come out from the weaker ones. Since nobody seems to find Gilligan's actions as scummy as I think he is..

Unvote

Vote: Fircoal

I am reluctant to vote unless I feel there is a good case or a need because a deadline. You, however, play the 'reluctant to vote' card, to make it seem like your votes aren't just votes trying to get a quick-lynch I think. Hence your move from Gilligan to Fircoal, which was more popular/gaining steam at that time.


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Does anyone have any insight on strategies the mafia may be employing? I was thinking about this yesterday, and wondering if a part of them agreed to be the 'lay-low' type, and the other part agreed to be the 'active townie' sort of player, or if they put all their bananas in on basket.


--Andy

Yes, mafias. one more post that shows an illusion Andy is here, but isn't.

Pretty sure I've rebutted this, and have already pointed our two Aims with this whole post of yours.

Is it worthwhile to have a discussion on what we think would be probable characters involved in this game? We briefly have mentioned characters in posts throughout the game so far, but we haven't had a sit down and hammer out probables.


--Andy

Again, another neutral post with nothing to add. Especially since many discussed about other possible roles beggining of day 2.

See above.

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So how many prospect-cases do we have? Fircoal, Gilligan, Freezie, Naxus, Strike Wolf?

I'm willing to listen to all the cases, but the Fircoal and Gilligan cases have been scattered too much for me to make much of anything. For those of you who feel something about those cases, would you write up a summary post, so we could more easily compare all the cases? Ta1lgunn3r just sort of presented a summary for the Strike Wolf case-building, and Strike Wolf and Myself posted earlier about Naxus and Freezie respectively. If my post isn't adequate enough for case comparison, let me know, and I'll write up something else.


--Andy

Once again placing heat on a few people, without getting wet himself.

I feel like you confuse 'placing heat' with 'trying to summarize the game so far.' If anyone is sweltering in heat, I'm pretty confident that is you, Freezie.

Vote: Andy


And FoS: Gilli again XD

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Summary:

Based on what I think the two Aims of Freezie's post were, in addition to playing of the 'reluctant voter' to pass off his desire for voting as just...well...what does he say I'm always doing? Oh right, 'going along with the flow', and that his activity only seems to perk up when he either has a vote on him or a FOS: for these reasons I am pretty confident in my case.

Vote: Freezie


--Andy

[AndyDufresne]

"Pretty sure I've rebutted this, and have already pointed our two Aims with this whole post of yours."

That should read: "Pretty sure I've rebutted this, and have already pointed your two Aims with this whole post of yours."


--Andy

[safariguy5]

QOTD:
Professor Farnsworth: [being escorted away by a Sunset Squad robot] Goodbye, cruel world! Goodbye, cruel lamp! Goodbye, cruel velvet drapes, lined with what would appear to be some sort of cruel muslin and the cute little pom-pom curtain pull cords. [the robot groans] Cruel though they may be, I-- [the rather fed-up robot abruptly picks up Farnsworth and carries him away.]


Vote Count

Gilligan(2)- drunk, jonty
Fircoal(1)- /
freezie(2)- pcm, Andy
Andy(1)- freezie


With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline in 12 days.

[strike wolf]

2 on gill; 2 on freezie.. I m going to support the freezie wagon. He answered my case against him ok enough I can't really argue it beyond a difference in opinion on how he should have proceeded (I think a nudge back towards the wagon doesn't hurt anything and would have been better than abandoning it entirely so quickly) but he never really put together a defense against PCM's side of the argument.
vote freezie

[Metsfanmax]

While freezie's post did take a bit of effort, it looks like nothing more than a clever way to shift suspicion off of him. Especially choosing Andy.

[freezie]

2 on gill; 2 on freezie.. I m going to support the freezie wagon. He answered my case against him ok enough I can't really argue it beyond a difference in opinion on how he should have proceeded (I think a nudge back towards the wagon doesn't hurt anything and would have been better than abandoning it entirely so quickly) but he never really put together a defense against PCM's side of the argument.
vote freezie

I would answer pancake's argument if I actually seen it...I re-read twice and still fail to see any post from him against me that I haven't answered....

[freezie]

While freezie's post did take a bit of effort, it looks like nothing more than a clever way to shift suspicion off of him. Especially choosing Andy.

So, you defend Andy? Nice of you.

No it's not shifting heat away from me. I can take the heat. No problems with that. I try to catch scum.

[pancakemix]

Read: Defending fircoal.

See it as bandwagonning if you want. But, correct me if I am wrong, trying to tell everyone over and over that Gilli is scummier will get me lynched a lot faster XD

And? It's a piss-poor case and / admitted it. I'd rather point that out than jump on board because I think no one agrees with me.

You're wrong. Doesn't make Gilligan more or less scummier, but you're wrong. In fact, if forced to pick between the two I'd go with Gil over Chu as he's done something scummy and admitted to it.

[freezie]

Read: Defending fircoal.

See it as bandwagonning if you want. But, correct me if I am wrong, trying to tell everyone over and over that Gilli is scummier will get me lynched a lot faster XD

And? It's a piss-poor case and / admitted it. I'd rather point that out than jump on board because I think no one agrees with me.

You're wrong. Doesn't make Gilligan more or less scummier, but you're wrong. In fact, if forced to pick between the two I'd go with Gil over Chu as he's done something scummy and admitted to it.

True, but I prefer getting info from a weaker case than cry out loud on a dead case and feel useless.

I am wrong in not going tunnel vision on someone when everyone AT THE TIME BEEING left Gilli alone? Not my oppinion, but ok

[pancakemix]

Read: Defending fircoal.

See it as bandwagonning if you want. But, correct me if I am wrong, trying to tell everyone over and over that Gilli is scummier will get me lynched a lot faster XD

And? It's a piss-poor case and / admitted it. I'd rather point that out than jump on board because I think no one agrees with me.

You're wrong. Doesn't make Gilligan more or less scummier, but you're wrong. In fact, if forced to pick between the two I'd go with Gil over Chu as he's done something scummy and admitted to it.

True, but I prefer getting info from a weaker case than cry out loud on a dead case and feel useless.

I am wrong in not going tunnel vision on someone when everyone AT THE TIME BEEING left Gilli alone? Not my oppinion, but ok

Except that you offered no explanation for the Fircoal vote except that the Gil case was being ignored.

Possibly, but as I said, there was less evidence on Chu than there was on Gil. Your post just makes it seem like you were following popular opinion to look like you DIDN'T have tunnel vision.

[jonty125]

unvote vote freezie partly because of Andy's case on freezie and partly through posting three times since Andy and not defending him/herself

[Commander9]

To be fair, Freezie, you're sort of bringing this on your own. You FoS Gilligan, who's most likely town (I'm fairly sure Haggis wouldn't make such a risky move and did what he did if he wasn't town) and you also continuously have a "thing" for Andy (tunnel vision, if you will) without providing any real substance to the game. Since the vote count is already somewhat high, I won't put mine just yet, but I'm looking forward to hear the response and possibly your claim.

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To be fair, Freezie, you're sort of bringing this on your own. You FoS Gilligan, who's most likely town (I'm fairly sure Haggis wouldn't make such a risky move and did what he did if he wasn't town) and you also continuously have a "thing" for Andy (tunnel vision, if you will) without providing any real substance to the game. Since the vote count is already somewhat high, I won't put mine just yet, but I'm looking forward to hear the response and possibly your claim.

What the flip does haggis have to do with gilligan being town? Haggis vouched for Sax being town to prevent his lynch, then gilligan skimmed and offered to hammer sax shortly after.... That was the whole point of the case, to not know this at this point, after pages and pages of going back and forth on this matter, I'm afraid that is completely unacceptable skimming, I'm not really sure about the current cases, it doesn't seem very strong one way or the other to me, but on the other hand your obliviousness seems a better lead to me.

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